Nice - breaking the circuit in half and half again - nice work - really good videos - clear - concise - well explained! Thanks for producing them - love the content
Wouldn't think it matters weather its a IR test or continuity test. It's where your breaking the circuit up, so you using IR test is still simplified mate.
When the switch wire for the downlights was pulled up to the fan isolator you could have just connected onto the supply side of your triple pole switch, there was actually no need to pull a cable backdown.
u can shorten this testing with "power" by checking with the meter powerless. open a box, check how it goes (maybe photo), disasamble, meter on the lines, no fault, reconnect and close. if anything found, next posibility place, open the box, check how it goes, disasamble, meter the lines found... somthing go one back check the last found is still there? no, reconnect this open box and go this loop until u find one or maybe more problem
Great bit of fault finding Ryan 👍 Definitely a major advantage when you’ve wired it yourself and know which routes the cables run. I’ve wasted so much time on fault finding jobs in the past where cables take unconventional routes and zig zag all over the place ! 😩
Great video Real life fault finding. As you mention if the circuit had already been energised and tested I have no problem doing it the way you done it think we’ve done it last week the same on the Ring main
I had a similar job near Fareham where a coat hook had been nailed into a wall cable covered in capping taking out the downstairs ring via a live earth fault.
The tester has to come out at some point, so once the leg to the first switch is tested and found to be clear, it makes sense to me, to leave it disconnected and do all the testing from that point. Then there's no need to keep going up and down the stairs.
Nice to see a bit of real world sparking mate. I would have cut the switched cable going up at the isolator tested it again. If all good join the cable at the fan isolator. 👍🏻
Get explanation of how to fault find. Could you not have connected the switch line that you shortened in the fan isolator saving you having to pull a bit of 3 core in? Also what fan is that as i see it doesn’t require a 3 amp fuse?
I'm glad someone else noticed, that they could have just made there downlight switch connection at the fan isolator, was a waste of there time and energy getting a cable back down to the switch. It does make you wonder if some sparks just operate purely on memory of a task, than actually understanding it.
hi you used to be able to get a court order to get the CEO to appear in court to explain why they haven't paid the invoice. few if any CEO'S want to appear in court and if they don't turn up they are in trouble and can be arrested etc, this usually got payment within day.
I'd of dropped the switches off then at each one just take out the switch lines which will just leave the feeds intact, so I'd then see if it turns on, if it does you know just to run round and IR the switch lines as the faults on one of them, If it had tripped when I turned it on then you know it's not on the switched side meaning its on the feeds so i'd then split them roughly half the circuit narrowing it down.
@@RDavisElectrical I was wasn't digging you out pal, I was saying my method so it may help something nothing wrong with what you did at all I was just presenting another way to tackle it as for me i just need that simplicity otherwise my mind freaks haha electrics can be a headache at the best of times. Keep up the videos mate I always enjoy them
@@RDavisElectrical top job with the sorting. I know what the chap here is saying. Being in Ryan's shoes I get a bit upset having had it all tested n working ect then the ballache to find this...
Like the look of the tradify sostware Specially the invoicing and quotation Bit will have to look in to it. Does tradify have test cert integrated in up the software. Lovely content mate.
What style of earthing system is that on? Here in NZ we have the MEN system and that type of fault would normally trip the rcbo without lights even being on, makes it more difficult as you have to disconnect both earth and neutral from the switchboard to test that
Earthing system isn't relevant. The RCBO trips if there is a mismatch between line and neutral currents of 30mA or more. The RCBO doesn't know what earthing system is in place. But we have a variety of earthing methods in use here, from multiple protective earth, to earthing rods. It's a legacy thing.
That's some serious nail they have walloped in to hold the door frame in to get that far into the wall. Obviously, your method of fault finding by resetting the RCBO works best when you have an apprentice to run up and down the stairs. 🤣
That was some nail especially for an architrave, are the cables not protected by conduits in walls now then or does the RCBOs make that method redundant? Good video.
That’s how it’s done in America all the time. We even leave the power on to the circuit and work with the wires while the power is on. Gets pretty scary sometimes.
Can't be joiners fault, then cables was probably clipped down the side of the stud that the arcs was fixed too, so then cables wasn't in a zone. No way would they use nails that long, to cause that damage.
@@RDavisElectrical could you have avoided the joint and just connected in to the incoming side of the fan isolator? The isolator I assume would have had permanent L switched L N and E there?
That's how I would fault find. Is it a right way to show to apprentice tho? Shouldn't you test circuit out instead of relying on RCD to trip each time? Testing it out would encourage good practice.
They most likely did, I found the RCBO off, they just didn’t tell anyone. Or the light were already off when they did it. Your point is actually stupid
@@RDavisElectrical No need for the "Your point is stupid". He's not making a point, he's asking a question. And yes, it's not a particularly good question in that it it doesn't really matter if the lights were on or off when the nail was put in, but you didn't need to say "Your point is stupid". You should learn to be respectful and drop the arrogant attitude mate. You have attached your personal name to your RUclips channel, clearly intending to promote your business. So everything you do and say online should be professional and positive. No negativity. No rudeness. Consider that.
@@RDavisElectrical I think what he is saying is if the lights tripped when fitting the architrave you could have been told what they were doing when it happened saving you a lot of time finding the fault
@@RDavisElectricalok this time the faulty part of the circuit was 2nd half of the circuit but if it wasn't you still seem happy to keep short circuiting the rcbo until you have found the clear part. Surely safer to all components to disconnect cable from rcbo then insulation resistance or continuity to find how far away fault is 🤷♂️ each to their own
To be honest with you, it was "ENTIRELY" your fault!....why would you place the switch so close to where the architrave was gonna be placed anyway?.....and as for getting paid for your time; you spend more time making RUclips and Tiktok videos than you do on the job itself!...and the poor customer is paying for all this fun and games your doing, disgusting!...sorry mate but I'm not impressed!
Fan isolator above door frame height? In a new build! Really, accessories have to be between 450mm and 1200mm. I’d stop posting videos if you’re gonna show poor install
Its a maintenance switch, so it can be positioned at that height. If you walk into 100% of new build homes they are all done in this fashion. So i'd stop commenting on videos if you don't know what you are talking about.
Applied logic and fault finding go hand in hand and this is a classic example. Well done!
Thanks mate 👍🏻, it really doesn’t have to be difficult
nothing technical. just common sense!!!
Nice - breaking the circuit in half and half again - nice work - really good videos - clear - concise - well explained! Thanks for producing them - love the content
Nice one , great methodical method to narrow it down and the bonus was no damage done in the process
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Real world fault finding, well done😊 👏
Thanks man
Nice video mate, it’s always great when you can find a fault and rectify it without any major drama!
Cheers mate, yeah it could be been a hell of a lot worse 😅
Great video , one small thing switch is upside down lol , keep up the good work .
Thank you so much for another brilliant video. I learned a lot and I appreciate it.
Good work.... I normally use an installation resistance test on faults. ,but you have simplified it even more with a continuity tester.
Wouldn't think it matters weather its a IR test or continuity test. It's where your breaking the circuit up, so you using IR test is still simplified mate.
When the switch wire for the downlights was pulled up to the fan isolator you could have just connected onto the supply side of your triple pole switch, there was actually no need to pull a cable backdown.
u can shorten this testing with "power" by checking with the meter powerless.
open a box, check how it goes (maybe photo), disasamble, meter on the lines, no fault, reconnect and close.
if anything found, next posibility place, open the box, check how it goes, disasamble, meter the lines found... somthing go one back check the last found is still there? no, reconnect this open box and go this loop until u find one or maybe more problem
If you do a rewire Labelling the cables at each device point would also help with fault finding and the next electricians also gonna love you…
Spot on old school fault finding 👌
Great bit of fault finding Ryan 👍 Definitely a major advantage when you’ve wired it yourself and know which routes the cables run. I’ve wasted so much time on fault finding jobs in the past where cables take unconventional routes and zig zag all over the place ! 😩
Thanks mate, yeah me too, it can be a propa ball ache 😩
Great video Real life fault finding. As you mention if the circuit had already been energised and tested I have no problem doing it the way you done it think we’ve done it last week the same on the Ring main
I had a similar job near Fareham where a coat hook had been nailed into a wall cable covered in capping taking out the downstairs ring via a live earth fault.
Top video again, but I’d flip the switch around in the bathroom as that’s messing with my OCD 😂
Thanks man, I only realised Kacper put it on upside down when I was editing the video 😩😂😂
@@RDavisElectrical Don't go blaming Kacper. I'd blame his supervisor... the lazy feck. 😉 Needs taking outside for a stern and prolonged slapping. 😜
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Thanks, new subscriber, studying for my C&G 2392 in December 🤙
Don’t do what he does, talks a good job but the install quality is really not there
Learned something watching this video thanks
As long as someone does I’m happy. Thanks mate 👍🏻
Congrats 💐
Proper fault finding, split method.
The tester has to come out at some point, so once the leg to the first switch is tested and found to be clear, it makes sense to me, to leave it disconnected and do all the testing from that point. Then there's no need to keep going up and down the stairs.
Exactly
I just lick the earth. But only when I’m on me Ohm
Nice to see a bit of real world sparking mate. I would have cut the switched cable going up at the isolator tested it again. If all good join the cable at the fan isolator. 👍🏻
Cheers mate. Yeah come to think of it I could’ve done that 😂😂
Quality real world work, thanks for that nicely done 👍
Thanks mate 👍🏻
Get explanation of how to fault find. Could you not have connected the switch line that you shortened in the fan isolator saving you having to pull a bit of 3 core in?
Also what fan is that as i see it doesn’t require a 3 amp fuse?
I'm glad someone else noticed, that they could have just made there downlight switch connection at the fan isolator, was a waste of there time and energy getting a cable back down to the switch. It does make you wonder if some sparks just operate purely on memory of a task, than actually understanding it.
hi you used to be able to get a court order to get the CEO to appear in court to explain why they haven't paid the invoice. few if any CEO'S want to appear in court and if they don't turn up they are in trouble and can be arrested etc, this usually got payment within day.
Great vid mate nice to see videos like this great to learn from 👍👍
Cheers mate
the switch is switching the wrong way 😵
Probably a multi-switch circuit.
switch is upside down 😂
Yeah I noticed it when it came to editing 😩😂😂
@@RDavisElectrical can’t see it from my house 😂😂😂
@@starburst2203 😂😂😂😂
Yes Man
Neutral earth faults can be hard to find. You need to watch traders your working along side to avoid this happening again.
I'd of dropped the switches off then at each one just take out the switch lines which will just leave the feeds intact, so I'd then see if it turns on, if it does you know just to run round and IR the switch lines as the faults on one of them, If it had tripped when I turned it on then you know it's not on the switched side meaning its on the feeds so i'd then split them roughly half the circuit narrowing it down.
Horses for courses my man
@@RDavisElectrical I was wasn't digging you out pal, I was saying my method so it may help something nothing wrong with what you did at all I was just presenting another way to tackle it as for me i just need that simplicity otherwise my mind freaks haha electrics can be a headache at the best of times. Keep up the videos mate I always enjoy them
@@mikethemask1525 it’s cool mate, I didn’t take it like that 👍🏻
@@RDavisElectrical phew sound mate 👌
@@RDavisElectrical top job with the sorting. I know what the chap here is saying. Being in Ryan's shoes I get a bit upset having had it all tested n working ect then the ballache to find this...
Mike definitely added this fault to make for good content later on hahaha
😂😂😂😂😂 could you imagine
Damn I hate it when the chippy drives a cable through a screw! 😅
Really enjoyed this Mr D. Great vid.
Thanks mate. Appreciate it
Don't they use twin browns on the switch wires anymore? We used twin reds before the colour change.
Great fault finding video.
Like the look of the tradify sostware
Specially the invoicing and quotation
Bit will have to look in to it.
Does tradify have test cert integrated in up the software.
Lovely content mate.
Great video much better the cowboy Nick Bundy
i know absolutely nothing what you are talking about but glad its sorted without damage lol!
😂😂 cheers mate
Well buddy that’s how it s done keep up the good work no matter what. Woody
Thanks woody
That’s why I always leave space 150mm. Great job
What style of earthing system is that on? Here in NZ we have the MEN system and that type of fault would normally trip the rcbo without lights even being on, makes it more difficult as you have to disconnect both earth and neutral from the switchboard to test that
Earthing system isn't relevant. The RCBO trips if there is a mismatch between line and neutral currents of 30mA or more.
The RCBO doesn't know what earthing system is in place.
But we have a variety of earthing methods in use here, from multiple protective earth, to earthing rods. It's a legacy thing.
That's some serious nail they have walloped in to hold the door frame in to get that far into the wall. Obviously, your method of fault finding by resetting the RCBO works best when you have an apprentice to run up and down the stairs. 🤣
Yeah must of been a decent size. Having the apprentice definitely helps
That's what apprentices are for though right?
That was some nail especially for an architrave, are the cables not protected by conduits in walls now then or does the RCBOs make that method redundant? Good video.
When u separated the 2 actives in and left them hanging there while live.... is it really that hard to Chuck 2 more wagos on?
That’s how it’s done in America all the time. We even leave the power on to the circuit and work with the wires while the power is on. Gets pretty scary sometimes.
Personally I would replace the whole cable and not have a joint, otherwise classic fault finding method.
Always knew mike wasnt paying attention when he was on that job
😂😂😂
I really like your videos
Thanks man 👍🏻
Well done pal, is there any reason why the switch is the wrong way round? 😅
😂😂 only noticed it when I was editing the video, bloody apprentice 🙄😂
Is it all 2 plate wiring these days?
I've been out the game for so long now , but when I was house bashing it was always 3 plate.
What do you mean by plate? Where I work in America this terminology is not used.
Could you not of took the new cable straight to the light fitting in to save having a joint ?
However great video
Ooh I'm intereste 💡💡🙏
Won’t pull out because it’s screwed in?
Can't be joiners fault, then cables was probably clipped down the side of the stud that the arcs was fixed too, so then cables wasn't in a zone. No way would they use nails that long, to cause that damage.
My thoughts exactly 🤦🏼♂️
Shame you put the bathroom switch back in the wrong way at the end lol
Looks like the cables were run out of zone. It's not the fault of the carpenter.
Nice fault finding by splitting the circuit. A stroke of luck that there was no noggin in between the light switch and the fan isolator.
The more skill you have, the luckier you get
Was it a three core from the fan isolator to the switch original?
There is a 3 core feeding thr isolator from the switch the was original. But we replaced the switch line in 3 core as we didn’t have 1mm
@@RDavisElectrical could you have avoided the joint and just connected in to the incoming side of the fan isolator? The isolator I assume would have had permanent L switched L N and E there?
That's how I would fault find. Is it a right way to show to apprentice tho? Shouldn't you test circuit out instead of relying on RCD to trip each time? Testing it out would encourage good practice.
I don’t see a problem with it personally, it’s how I was taught
For something like that to happen it has to be malicious in my mind the item ie nail would have to be 6in long. You were well inside the wiring zone.
So annoying. Surely the lights would have tripped when the person fitting the architrave hit the cable.
They most likely did, I found the RCBO off, they just didn’t tell anyone. Or the light were already off when they did it. Your point is actually stupid
@@RDavisElectrical No need for the "Your point is stupid". He's not making a point, he's asking a question.
And yes, it's not a particularly good question in that it it doesn't really matter if the lights were on or off when the nail was put in, but you didn't need to say "Your point is stupid".
You should learn to be respectful and drop the arrogant attitude mate.
You have attached your personal name to your RUclips channel, clearly intending to promote your business. So everything you do and say online should be professional and positive. No negativity. No rudeness.
Consider that.
@@RDavisElectrical I think what he is saying is if the lights tripped when fitting the architrave you could have been told what they were doing when it happened saving you a lot of time finding the fault
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Bullseye couldn't nail it better if they tried 👍
😂😂
I though Casper was a ghost
He acts like it
Don't want to get the testers out yet 🤦♂️😁 why would you turn it on and possibly ruin the life span of the rcbo by continuing to allow short circuit.
Life span of the RCBO?? 😬
@@RDavisElectricalok this time the faulty part of the circuit was 2nd half of the circuit but if it wasn't you still seem happy to keep short circuiting the rcbo until you have found the clear part. Surely safer to all components to disconnect cable from rcbo then insulation resistance or continuity to find how far away fault is 🤷♂️ each to their own
Switch is upside down now😡
Main question is, did you get paid?!
I did 👍🏻
Don’t try this at home kids 😂😂😂
Sounds like a job for the 🤠🤠🤠🔫🔫🔫
😂😂😂😂
To be honest with you, it was "ENTIRELY" your fault!....why would you place the switch so close to where the architrave was gonna be placed anyway?.....and as for getting paid for your time; you spend more time making RUclips and Tiktok videos than you do on the job itself!...and the poor customer is paying for all this fun and games your doing, disgusting!...sorry mate but I'm not impressed!
Sure it’s been mentioned……. That switch 🤢
One word ……clueless 😂
Fan isolator above door frame height? In a new build! Really, accessories have to be between 450mm and 1200mm. I’d stop posting videos if you’re gonna show poor install
Its a maintenance switch, so it can be positioned at that height. If you walk into 100% of new build homes they are all done in this fashion. So i'd stop commenting on videos if you don't know what you are talking about.
how are you
your country
Only fault I have the switch is switching the wrong way at the end😂🥲