Handgun Red Dots for Beginners
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- Learn about the different mounting footprints for optics and pistols, the range of options for reticles and dot sizes, installation tips, zeroing advice, maintenance of dots and more in this weeks video!
Big thanks to Big Tex Ordinance GEAR for supplying the EPS and 407k's for this video!
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:12 Mounting footprints
0:58 Reticles/Dots/MOA
2:11 Installation
2:20 Adapter plates
3:26 Thread locker
3:52 Torque
4:03 Zeroing
4:58 Maintenance | closed/open emitter
6:00 How to use
8:25 Brands
8:51 Overview
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This woman goes and gets her magic transparent sight window and reticle cards and manages to give a visually intelligible explanation of a zeroing where almost every other gun expert on RUclips starts apologizing and explains how hard it is to film a reticle on camera and make the whole thing very mysterious. I love it!
Bought my wife a 48MOS because of this channel. ❤️
Great choice GLOCK 48MOS!!💖😉👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Thanks for another great video Tessah. I’m a dinosaur who uses iron sights but this video is one of the best I’ve seen explaining red dots
Love your videos! Cram a lot of info into a short video without a lot of extra talking. Well done! Keep it up
This is why I love “The Glock Store” send it in… get it back done! they are pros’ with this stuff.
Oh my goodness that thumbnail is amazing. You look like a character from dragon ball z with the eyeball scanner thing.
Great info without any fluff. Your channel is criminally undersubbed. Keep it up!
Thank you for this. I’m just now getting into optics after carrying irons for 17 years. Not gonna lie that’s it’s been challenging to learn a dot, but practice practice practice.
You channel is criminally under subbed and under viewed. Excellent content, as always!
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I totally agree!! 👍😉🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Incredibly informative and well presented. Thanks, Tessa.
For zeroing your pistol mounted optic, I've found that setting it so the dot appears directly above the front sight if the front and rear sights are lined up (I know this is referred to as co-witnessing, but that seems to draw a lot of push back right away). If that's aligned with the irons, you don't have to always shoot with the dot lined up after that with your irons. As long as the dot is on your target from another angle, even if you can't see your irons, it will hit. It will definitely get you close enough to minimize the amount of ammo ($) and time it takes you to get zeroed.
Very cool templates for explaining the sight picture and red dot. I've never seen those before; genius creation! And couldn't agree more for the need for Loctite on the threads.
Circle only is life!
Thank you thank you thank you! Shot a red dot the other day and was so frustrated. I bought one for cc so im glad you posted this video. Going to use your tips and see how it goes.
Modern Samurai Project was really helpful to refine my draw but I'm still working on speed. No longer punching out from low ready. Pushing out from almost eye level helped me not hunt for the dot.
The 32 MOA open dot is fantastic. The brain naturally wants to center it on what is being shot, super fast. Quicker than trying to focus on a tiny 6 MOA dot. Work with it awhile, you’ll become a fan.👍
Excellent , straightforward presentation. I especially appreciate the candor in qualifying where your hands on experience is limited.
I went with the 2moa dot because when I turn up the brightness and my bad eyes starburst it - I get that perfect 6 moa blob
I found your channel searching for excellent, reliable, honest, straightforward information about handguns. Your channel is amazing. Please keep the informational videos coming daily, if possible.
I’ve always used iron sights and will make the switch soon. I think it will help me to better focus on my target and be more accurate and be quicker with my follow up shots.
Thank you for an excellent explanation of red dots and the use of optics.
I used the sig Romeo zero elite on my p365 xl SC for a while and genuinely liked it, except for the battery housing. One day, while at the range, it started sprinkling and a rain drop landed on the emitter. (Now THAT’S a good shot). That day I ordered the Hollowsun EPS Carry green dot 32 moa closed emitter. After a 3 or 4 month wait it arrived. I mounted directly on the pistol without a plate. I did need shorter screws than the ones that came with the dot. It was love at first shot! Thanks…
Really good video for the basics with good info. Optics on pistols really are a game changer, and videos like this help to make them "accessible" to the masses. Since I've stumbled across a few of your other videos and they were good as well, I think a sub is in order. Keep up the good work.
Love the thumbnail pic lol
Last month I went through a training course using a red dot for the first time, I immediately went and bought a new carry gun with an optic. What a difference that one change has made to my dry fire and live fire practice!
What did you get?
@@920WASHBURN Sig P320 X-Compact with a Romeo1 Pro
I recommend "zeroing" a red-dot optic with a bore sight laser. They're cheap. And they come in all calibers. And they work.
Excellent! Rmr cc is the most durable of any dot sight though
My favorite way to jumpstart zeroing a red dot is with a bore sight. Easy to get it pretty close while chilling in your apartment, and then go and confirm the zero at the range later. And with ammo prices, there's a decent chance that it will be cheaper as well XD
I just recently purchased my first firearm, a Glock 48 MOS, looked up RUclips videos on safety, features, reviews, etc., found you, and I love your channel! Thanks for the easy to understand content and your thoroughness as a user of guns. It's also nice to see a young lady with great content for a change instead of men (nothing wrong with either of course). Keep up the great and hard work!
Great video, quality content! I also got a 6 MOA Holosun and went with green dot over red for visibility. Very pleased!
Great choice... "green dot"😉👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Good RUclips you are very good speaker and the editing is excellent
haha already watched this and commented but the screenshot I didn't remember, it's classic! had to click on it, haha !
Excellent presentation. One tip on zeroing for new shooters is, you may want to have an experienced shooter confirm your zero. New shooters often have flaws in grip and trigger press that cause consistent low left impact from point of aim. If you zero to that flawed technique, you won't identify and correct the flaws, you'll lock them into muscle memory. It's good to know if variance in POI and POA are flinch, yank, dip, grip, issues so they can be corrected.
6 moa dot is great if you don’t have astigmatism. With astigmatism, your 2 moa dot becomes 6 or larger. But then again, it might be different for other people with astigmatism. I would suggest borrowing or renting before buying.
Great videos. Good content, to the point and no BS. Thanx
I support and talk a lot with David over at The Humble Marksman. There’s some science behind it, but another reason to think about a 6 MOA dot is that for some reason it seems to work better if you have to wear corrective lenses for your vision. I’ve got a 6 MOA dot on my Walther PDP/F and love it.
I wish this had come out last year, I feel like your videos save about 24 hrs worth of my Googling, on average hahaha.
Love that cover photo!
Nicely done. No nonsense straight up good info. Thank you.
Excellent presentation!
Great video, lots of good content and the production quality is very good. Keep them coming.
Thanks so much!! Honestly one of the best videos I’ve seen put together on this topic
As always great content Thank you
This is a great video. Looking forward to the video about cycling ammo and going to try to find the witness mark video now.
Thanks for the video. I just received my EPS carry from Optics Planet, ordered around Thanksgiving lol. Deals are not worth the wait sometimes haha.
I went deep in the EPS and ordered 3 of each for my carries but also just received the vortex defender and I have to say that is one solid optic. Came with a ton of mounting screws and is quality for sure.
Getting close to that 50,000 subscriber mark!
Good job on this video keeping it simple enough for beginners!
Love the videos!! Keep it up you are doing amazing
Your point about refining draw from the holster makes sense. I’ll be moving to a dot in the next month or so. Thanks.
Hey thanks! Sucha great video and talking points. Now I'm looking for a MOA 6 specifically where before I was not even really looking at anything but the circle with dot inside.
1:16 Somehow I never knew this and your explanation is exactly the simple shorthand I needed to fully comprehend MOA, thank you ever so much.
The Vortex Defender CCW that just came out also seems to be a good value and works on the RMSc footprint without requiring mondifications to the gun so you can mount a Holosun. Holosun fixed this with their EPS model that includes a plate that helps it fit on the Shield Plus and Hellcat models. Most everybody that has reviewed the Vortex Defender has liked them, and the only complaint seems to be the refresh rate on the led emitter. I have a 6 MOA version that I'm testing out now.
Great overview. I enjoy the Swampfox lineup for my edc. if you're getting into mounting plates with replacing the rear sight, you're in for a heck of a time..
Great video
Thank you for this video. I subscribed
I like the Swampfox Sentinel with the Ironsides Shield mounted for an affordable but durable concealed carry option.
This video came just in time! I just picked up my first handgun (HK VP9L OR) for home defense. Looking to add a 5 or 6 MOA optic ASAP!
Great content 👍 looking at Red or Grn dot but haven't made decision yet , thanks for your work - be safe 🔫🇺🇲🇺🇲
good info 👌👌
Subscribed. Also a work in progress here, I love your explanation of the journey. You are always ready to improve without ego and take it very seriously without sounding obsessed and fetishistic. You aren't using fear to motivate the use of firearms, but rather the real joy and sense of accomplishment you experience pursuing excellence. You are not a political animal on your channel and don't denigrate your state for choosing a different path to confront gun violence. I have no idea whether you support their gun laws or not, and for me that is a very good thing. I'm a gun enthusiast, not a gun activist. I have no interest in contributing to the cultural divide and you provide one of the few platforms that seem to understand this. Thank you.
Good summary. I fall into the unfortunate case of having pretty bad astigmatism. So for me I like using something in that 2.5-3.5 MOA dot since a full 6 for me starbursts just a bit too much unless I'm using it on a carry gun.
I think i found my second favorite channel to watch. #1 is warrior poet society but this is good and you look good by the way.
Something else to consider, a red dot raises the overall height of the gun and is usually in line with the axis of the grip where the overall height counts. A good holster can compensate but you're still adding an inch or so of height, especially if you go with a fully enclosed optic.
The thumbnail got me even though I saw it on IG.
“You will watch the video and leave a comment for engagement with the algorithm.” 😂
I’m interested in getting into dots but it’s hard to swallow having to get the dot, the slide milled, and the time of not having the handgun.
Another great video. I’ve got roughly 25k through RDS handguns. Had an issue with a Sig optic (Romeo Zero), but zero issues w the multiple Holosun optics that I’ve run. I personally prefer green dots over red, and will always get it direct milled, when possible. That obviously has drawbacks all its own, but of that 25K, 10K is through a Glock 45 milled for a 507C, which has still held zero despite being a carry gun and being abused. By contrast, I’ve lost zero with a Walther w plates.
Really good advice here. Though I’ll never understand the “cycling of ammo”. It’s just not necessary.
Pretty hard to argue best bang for buck carry optic is the 407k, if you have astigmatism, you may find the 407k-GR to be the better dot as green dots do not cause as much star bursting. I have a 407c-GR on my competition gun, and a 407k red dot on my carry, there is a noticeable difference with star bursting.
The 407k remains my top recommendation for people getting into slimline optics. It’s a great choice!
@@tessahbooth I got the 507C X2
Also check for plate availability, As much as I love CZ their plate availability inst the best and I ended up buying my plate from the Czech Republic.
Such a good thumbnail
Thanks again. Always really informative. Have not got into the dot field yet and not sure if I will, but you have given me a lot of great info if I do. I just have a lot of friends telling me that I shouldn't go with a dot for a number of reasons. I'll at least know what to look for when I become a rebel.
Those are no friends maam
@@920WASHBURN the reason they don't like them have merit. They are friends and family. Its not bad to learn to shoot well with steel sights first before you can fly because it makes you focus on the basics. I don't care how expensive your res dot is if you don't master safety and grip first.
@@traciaxtell4553 of coarse you should learn iron sites. But they're back up. I mean honestly I don't care what people do. They have to figure out whats best for them. Anyone who gives advice other than that, you should be suspicious of their motives. Dots are superior in every way, but for you? You have to try it and see
Great tips! What do you think is a more important feature for a 1st time rds purchase? Dot size or window size? I understand they aren't mutually exclusive.
Thanks for the informative video! I just purchased a sig p365x with the Romeo Zero Elite already mounted. I am finding that the dot “shape” is not exactly a circle, but sort of lopsided, if that makes sense. And I have to really train to keep both eyes open and on the target instead of the dot itself. A lot of training in my future, but that’s the fun part! If I were to do it all over again, I would buy the 365x without the Romeo and buy the holoson separately.
Sounds like you have astigmatism if the dot is not circle and sharp
Not a huge fan of red dots on pistols. But I'm coming around, I have a Glock 48 with the MOS and a Canik TP9 Elite Combat but the TP9 has amazing fiber optic sights I can drive nails with at 25 yards and can hit a man sized target at 50 yards pretty consistently. My EDC is a Taurus G3c. This gun don't get nowhere near the amount of praise it deserves. I got 229$ in the gun and it came with 3 mags. The mags are metal instead of polymer which I really like and I've fed that SOB all kinds of different ammo and she eats em all and spits em back out no problems. I have put 100s of rounds through my Taurus and ive not had a malfunction yet . If a red dot helps you shoot better then for sure get ya one but if your a good shot with iron sights I say save it money . Have a blessed day everyone 🙏🙏. Rejoice, for this is the day the Lord has made !
Very good video. Having recently tried a few red dots on various guns (didn't shoot very well with them) I'm just starting to learn about them and am thinking about getting one for my new PDP and seeing if I can get good with it. One thing that I keep hearing about when watching optics videos are people talking about sights and "co-witnessing" with them. Can you please explain this to me, as people talk about it all the time but never say what it means.
Vortex just dropped a new slim line Dot I haven’t seen one in person yet.
I had some issues with the refresh rate on the dot but other than that I’ve liked it a lot so far!
Going red dot made me have to train shooting with my non-dominant eye. My right eye is my dominant eye, but has a horrible astigmatism. Now I get to shoot right hand left eye.
at first 6 moa sounds huge but for pistol distances of 25 or 12.5 yards that's 1.5 or 3/4 inches respectively, about the size of the X-ring on a target(size of a 22 hole at 10 feet). I made the mistake of putting an ACSS reticle dot on my pistol-talk about busy! Definitely need to change to a simple dot(I liked it for the huge 203moa outer circle).. I think most if not all holsters will allow a red dot?
But have you checked out the "SeeAll" open sight? It peaks my interest and the reviews I have seen were positive but I would like to hear from a dedicated shooting channel
(Also I love what you have done with your hair, I wish I still had long hair 😮💨)
On an open dot, Do not use a q-tip or do not wipe it when it’s dusty, You need to use compressed air (Not a high PSI) than you can use alcohol or a lens cleaner that is wet to very lightly wipe the glass and clean the emitter screen, when you are done make sure you use a very lite dot of oil on a q tip to make sure your mounting hardware doesn’t rust
What you would be your personal choice of red dot optic for a Springfield Hellcat pro? Thanks
I struggle with my optic because regardless of me wearing my contacts, glasses or not at all, my eyes don’t see a sharp dot for the reticle. I see a fuzzy blur that just distracts my sight picture. Considering just ditching my optic completely.
6:14 Try hard target focus and superimpose your dot onto your target, not staring at your dot. I found out I had astigmatism from my red dot too. You can try lowering your brightness to minimize starbursting but you'll need it to be bright enough for daylight. But tbh I just accepted that my dot looks like a 6 pointed star and as long as its on target, you can make do. One last thing, your eyes may be fatigued from all the time spent on screens or tired after work. Hope you find something that works for you.
Astigmatism?
@@920WASHBURN I don’t though. It’s weird
@@BackcountryExposure have you tried someone's else's? Maybe you have a bad reticle because yes that is strange
@@BackcountryExposure or maybe bring the dot to the eye doctor and tell them what's up
Love your videos but gun people want to see you shooting with the gear your talking about Ik you do have some footage but I would like to see more shooting plssss
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I have only seen any of my dots as a dot trough my phone’s camera. I have astigmatism so everything starbursts for me other than the Holosun ⭕️ dot
Hi, I am a firearms instructor and looking to help people convert from traditional sights to pistol mounted optics. Been to a few classes, but I have never seen the visual tool you retrieved to go over acceptable sight pictures through an RDS in relation to the housing and the target. Is that something you created or purchased and where could I find a bunch of them? Thank you. Very much enjoyed your video.
Holosun actually makes the SCS which mounts to an MOS without a plate.
Yup. Just dying for them to make a slimline version for 48/43xMOS.
It’ll crush the market with no need for adapter plate
My red dot sites always look like a star bursts, but I think it's just old bad eyes. I went to red dot sites because I can no longer see the front blades of iron sites, so the star bursts work for me anyway.
Where did you get the sight picture cards?
How about the trijicon rmscc and vortex also came out with a micro red dot?
It hadn’t launched when I filmed this video 🙂
What do you prefer Holosun 507K or 407K? And why?
The 407k for its 6 MOA dot
Best optic for the Canik MC9?
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Holosun 507k is the best you will get for the money, The shield rms lenses are junk and the optics themselves aren’t rugged at all
Just bought a Holosun EPS Carry red dot with a 2moa dot and unfortunately the dot on it is absolutely terrible. It's a dot at the lowest couple setting then gets massive and not even an actual dot past the 3rd or 4th setting. Very disappointing, gunna have to return it and possibly just sack up for a Trijicon unfortunately unless my local shop will let me take the sight out of the box to check the dot before leaving. Sad day :(
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When mounting/unmounting the bolts.go slowly.SLLOOOOWWWLY. dont strip the bolt head
I don't understand why people like them. I have a Holosun and you practically have to have it alread aimed dead on before the dot even enters the lens.
What optics have you used that don’t require you to aim?
That's rather a dumb question. Of course you have to aim. But with lasers or iron sights, you don't have to spend time trying to find the red dot. If you're good enough to get your gun up and always see the dot right away, good for you.
My comment wasn’t intended to sound any kind of way, it just sounded like your aiming issue was only an issue with Holosons, and not all optics. It sounds like you’re not presenting your sights to alignment (regardless of sighting system). If that’s the case then an optic will be much more challenging to use. On the positive side though, if you get a chance to hone in that skill then your shooting will improve considerably across all sighting systems!
Presenting your sights to alignment is quite achievable if you have a good instructor there to help you navigate it! 🙂
Wow, you know a lot. It's weird how you keep saying you're not an expert when you have more training than most law enforcement officers.
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My future wife. 💍
She's already married, simp.
Hey manly youtubers!! See how she was able to focus on the reticle?!?!?! COOL RIGHT?!?!?!?