Innerdoorless' are really cool, I'm glad we still have many in Switzerland. Portugal is known for being an old Schindler and Schlieren paradise, there are (or at least were few years ago) still many fascinating lifts left.
Dankesehr! Hier in den Maschinenräumen ist wirklich alles original wie vor 50 Jahren, als die Anlagen installiert wurden. Prachtexemplare im top Zustand, wie es sich gehört.
Amazing these elevators. I love the sound of motors and relays. I have already filmed quite a few like these but they are always interesting to find. However, I know of a Schindler lift with a relay from 1972 where a dimmer was installed afterwards and suddenly the lift is still controlled by a relay but starts and slows down progressively, which is really very special but just as cool to see :D Great video
Thank you! I also have already heard of installs with a Variodyn mod on a relay controller, really fascinating and it works incredibly well. Sadly I haven't yet found one myself but when I do so I will surely document it and then upload it here.
Exactly the lift I had at the old building. Just both car and counterweight were guided, likely different regulations per country. The use of wire ropes is nice, lower cost, easy to maintain, and also just as good at providing guidance, and faster to install, along with being self aligning. Just need a heavy spring pack at the base to tension it, and change the guides as needed for wear. The controller looks exactly the same, just the frame was vertical ceiling to floor, and the selector gear was mounted to the frame of it, with a pair of pulleys to transfer the guide rope from vertical to horizontal, complete with the grease cups on the pulleys. I got a set of the cups from another unit in a building being upgraded, so that they actually had caps that worked, and to replace the broken one on the safety governer. Differences in each one, due to different buildings, and different regulations, but you can see the exact same standard parts used, though often in different locations, and with different crews having their own preferences on installation, that get fixed in place. The lift by me was installed 1969 IIRC, but with car doors, and swing outer doors with the frosted glass, though for safety reasons when replacing any view panel the glass had to be a safety wire glass, so when I needed to replace one I simply ordered 3 of the glass panels, to have spares on hand, as replacing them with the contract was expensive, versus 20 minutes with me being on site. Did have to do some upgrades, the original car power had fuses, so the upgrade was to remove the fuse box on the wall for the car, old steel panel with those terrible Diazed German fuses, that are expensive to buy. Replaced it with a newer metal switchgear box, and place in it a incoming mains breaker, breakers for room lighting, car lighting and car power, along with the socket outlets in the room, and a ground fault breaker, removing the old switch and 2 open fuse holders. Old box, probably from the 1970's, used elsewhere, but upgraded as we needed more breaker spaces, but, using old breakers, and adaptor plates for the newer breakers as required (old ground fault interruptor did not pass self test any more) it matched the rest of the room nicely. Even upgraded the lighting to recycle old flourescent fixtures, replacing the 2 60W bulbs on a string it had, going to double 4 foot fixtures. I wanted to see in the room, then, because we had epoxy paint left over from doing a floor, the floor got a nice epoxy coat over the bare concrete, and then the yellow danger paint came out, to mark all the moving parts. Even added a steel rod in to undo the emergency brake on power failure. That was needed when a power cut had one woman faint in the lift between floors.
That sounds really interesting, thank you for telling! Yes, regulations are different everywhere and here in Switzerland they were not too tight as they allowed for innerdoorless lifts like this one here for a long time. The larger controller rack you mentioned with the floor selector wheel integrated is indeed known to me as well - it was used here too on larger and more complex installs. Especially groups of multiple lifts, 3 or 4, where all the controllers were installed in a row separately from the motors which were above the shaft. The deflecting pulleys for the floor selector rope are often encountered on bottom drive lifts as the motor room is located on the side of the shaft, so the rope needs to be diverted to the side somehow. I still have footage of another lift similar to the ones you see here, but bigger and with a more complex controller that can separately handle up-, down- and car calls. I will also upload it at some point in the future and I am pretty sure that you will see more similarities to your install there. Also notice that on the lifts in the video here the governor rope is actually a chain and the governor and floor selector are a combined unit. The chain is needed because no slippage is allowed on the floor selector - else it would get misaligned. Though on the other lift I mentioned, the governor rope and the floor selector rope are separate. The floor selector therefore has a winding drum at the back and the rope is fixed to the lift car and the drum, guaranteeing alignment. The cutouts in the motor room floor are elongated because the rope travels along the axle of the drum during winding and unwinding.
Ich habe von Wertheim gehört und einige Videos gesehen, aber bisher nichts selber. Wertheim wurde 1969 von Schindler zum grossteil aufgekauft, ähnlich wie das bei Schlieren in der Schweiz 9 Jahre zuvor auch passiert ist.
Natürlich kenne ich diese beiden Aufzügen, war dort schon oft und habe sie auch gefilmt. Und sie sollten immer noch vorhanden sein (letzter Stand: Januar 2023). Ich hoffe, dass sie noch eine Weile bleiben, da sie sehr schön sind. Sie sind original aus den 70er Jahren mit den damals typischen R-Series Tableaus und den ebenfalls typischen Schindler Schwingtüren. Sehr schön finde ich auch die Schachtwandverzierung, wieder einmal etwas anderes als einfach nur grau oder weiss. Und das beste ist der Anfahrsound, der hört man auch nicht bei allen noch existierenden 70er Jahre Aufzügen. Relaissteuerung war damals natürlich noch Standard oder?
Dachte mir schon, dass du diese Anlagen sofort erkennen wirst. Ich bin auch dirch dein Video darauf gestossen. Die Aufnhamen hier stammen vom Sommer 2022. Schön zu hören, dass die Anlagen noch immer so original sind. Es sind echte Prachtexemplare von unverbastelten, originalen Schindlern aus den frühen 70ern. Die Schachtauskleidung an der Vorderseite ist mir auch aufgefallen. Sieht für mich nach Novilon aus, also PVC-Bodenbelag von anno dazumals. Genau, Anfang 70er waren Relaissteuerngen noch immer der Standard und für die noblen Anlagen gabs natürlich die Aconic. Erst Ende 70er / Anfang 80er kam dann die Mic E und später die Mic B.
the left winch is very quiet, even quieter than some modern ones. it is interesting that instead of counterweight guides, the cable is stretched. I've never seen anything like this, so I don't understand how it interacts.
Just has to guide, and looks like it is a lot easier to align as well, as you only have 2 points top and bottom, and then likely a spring pack (with a record of spring compression likely in the register) at the base to tension it. Guides would only wear slowly, as they have no real forces on them aside from vibration in the cable, so should outlast the car guides themselves. but you can change them in situ, looks like they are split, and held by a collar or a bolt.
The motor room is insulated with glass wool, making it extremely quiet indeed. Schindler built this counterweight suspension system very often in the 60s and 70s. It's just 4 cables fixed at the top and bottom of the shaft and the counterweight has gude shoes that grip around the cables.
Exactly, that's how it works. The springs that tensions the guide ropes are at the op though. Usually the ropes are just fixed through holes in the shaft ceiling / motor room floor but here it was decided to use the metal beam construction at the back of the shaft instead.
Sehr schöne Anlagen! Was mir interessiert sind die Volltreibscheiben. Fast alle Maschienen mit KDLF/KDH wurde geliefert mit 2-teiliger Scheiben. Da sie beiden Gelb lackiert sind ware diesen vermutlich neu ersatst werden.
Dankesehr! Ja, die neuen Treibscheiben sind mir auch aufgefallen. Ich habe das schon öfters gesehen, das bei den kleineren W55 Winden Schindler neue Volltreibscheiben montiert hat. Aber ich weiss leider nicht, was da zuvor für eine Scheibe drauf war. Die zweiteiligen habe ich bisher nur bei den grösseren Maschinen gesehen, W57 und so.
Wow very beautiful elevators ! Do you have seen my new video of the Schindler D series in Parking Manor Delémont ? I wonder what kind of lift there was before. A Schindler R series with automatical doors from early 70s ? A friend told me that the replacement is from 2002 but he doesn't know what was the previous lift. It would interest me to know.
Thenk you! I have had a look at the video and the interior of the lift car loos still like 80s or 80s, so this lift was just modernised with new controller, new buttons and new doors but is still partially original. That is my guess. I don't know what it was before though, you could just guess. R-Series is probably the only option that makes sense as it is too young for Q-series and if it was even newer (S- or M- series) it would not have been modded in 2002 already.
@TheLiftDragon thanks :) yes, we can see the floor indicator that's a different model than inside, we rarely see it on "new" D series. So it was probably a R series modernized with new doors and fixtures. I know that inside the Manor Delemont shop there is 2 Otis Gen 2 who replaces 1960s innerdoorless Q series with long windows. And in Kaufhaus Manor Morges (near Lausanne) did you find the information about what were the old lifts before the 2003s Otis Gen 2 ? I have known the old innerdoorless lifts as a child but I don t remember the brand and fixtures (Schindler like the old lifts in Delemont, or Schlieren ?)
![GEEK TIMË [OFFICIAL AUDIO]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ry-6RvkH880/mqdefault.jpg)
I like the inner doorless lifts. Seen them in Portugal and in The Netherlands. Nice open rail relay logic and good quality motors.
Innerdoorless' are really cool, I'm glad we still have many in Switzerland. Portugal is known for being an old Schindler and Schlieren paradise, there are (or at least were few years ago) still many fascinating lifts left.
schönes Video! Der Antrieb und der Motorraum gefallen mir.
Dankesehr! Hier in den Maschinenräumen ist wirklich alles original wie vor 50 Jahren, als die Anlagen installiert wurden. Prachtexemplare im top Zustand, wie es sich gehört.
Amazing these elevators. I love the sound of motors and relays. I have already filmed quite a few like these but they are always interesting to find. However, I know of a Schindler lift with a relay from 1972 where a dimmer was installed afterwards and suddenly the lift is still controlled by a relay but starts and slows down progressively, which is really very special but just as cool to see :D
Great video
Thank you!
I also have already heard of installs with a Variodyn mod on a relay controller, really fascinating and it works incredibly well. Sadly I haven't yet found one myself but when I do so I will surely document it and then upload it here.
Beautiful, quiet too, ASMR if you ask me. Cheers! 🍻
Thank you very much!
Exactly the lift I had at the old building. Just both car and counterweight were guided, likely different regulations per country. The use of wire ropes is nice, lower cost, easy to maintain, and also just as good at providing guidance, and faster to install, along with being self aligning. Just need a heavy spring pack at the base to tension it, and change the guides as needed for wear.
The controller looks exactly the same, just the frame was vertical ceiling to floor, and the selector gear was mounted to the frame of it, with a pair of pulleys to transfer the guide rope from vertical to horizontal, complete with the grease cups on the pulleys. I got a set of the cups from another unit in a building being upgraded, so that they actually had caps that worked, and to replace the broken one on the safety governer. Differences in each one, due to different buildings, and different regulations, but you can see the exact same standard parts used, though often in different locations, and with different crews having their own preferences on installation, that get fixed in place. The lift by me was installed 1969 IIRC, but with car doors, and swing outer doors with the frosted glass, though for safety reasons when replacing any view panel the glass had to be a safety wire glass, so when I needed to replace one I simply ordered 3 of the glass panels, to have spares on hand, as replacing them with the contract was expensive, versus 20 minutes with me being on site. Did have to do some upgrades, the original car power had fuses, so the upgrade was to remove the fuse box on the wall for the car, old steel panel with those terrible Diazed German fuses, that are expensive to buy. Replaced it with a newer metal switchgear box, and place in it a incoming mains breaker, breakers for room lighting, car lighting and car power, along with the socket outlets in the room, and a ground fault breaker, removing the old switch and 2 open fuse holders. Old box, probably from the 1970's, used elsewhere, but upgraded as we needed more breaker spaces, but, using old breakers, and adaptor plates for the newer breakers as required (old ground fault interruptor did not pass self test any more) it matched the rest of the room nicely.
Even upgraded the lighting to recycle old flourescent fixtures, replacing the 2 60W bulbs on a string it had, going to double 4 foot fixtures. I wanted to see in the room, then, because we had epoxy paint left over from doing a floor, the floor got a nice epoxy coat over the bare concrete, and then the yellow danger paint came out, to mark all the moving parts. Even added a steel rod in to undo the emergency brake on power failure. That was needed when a power cut had one woman faint in the lift between floors.
That sounds really interesting, thank you for telling! Yes, regulations are different everywhere and here in Switzerland they were not too tight as they allowed for innerdoorless lifts like this one here for a long time.
The larger controller rack you mentioned with the floor selector wheel integrated is indeed known to me as well - it was used here too on larger and more complex installs. Especially groups of multiple lifts, 3 or 4, where all the controllers were installed in a row separately from the motors which were above the shaft. The deflecting pulleys for the floor selector rope are often encountered on bottom drive lifts as the motor room is located on the side of the shaft, so the rope needs to be diverted to the side somehow.
I still have footage of another lift similar to the ones you see here, but bigger and with a more complex controller that can separately handle up-, down- and car calls. I will also upload it at some point in the future and I am pretty sure that you will see more similarities to your install there. Also notice that on the lifts in the video here the governor rope is actually a chain and the governor and floor selector are a combined unit. The chain is needed because no slippage is allowed on the floor selector - else it would get misaligned. Though on the other lift I mentioned, the governor rope and the floor selector rope are separate. The floor selector therefore has a winding drum at the back and the rope is fixed to the lift car and the drum, guaranteeing alignment. The cutouts in the motor room floor are elongated because the rope travels along the axle of the drum during winding and unwinding.
Die habe ich auch schon mal gefilmt sind sehr schöne Aufzüge!
Sind wirklich tolle Anlagen, ja.
Die hast du aber noch nicht hochgeladen, oder? Ich habe nämlich kein Video davon auf deinem Kanal gefunden.
@@TheLiftDragon Ja die habe ich noch nd hochgeladen
An interesting counterweight
Inderdaad , loopt het contragewicht nou tussen kabels ??
Schindler did this very often back in the 60s and 70s, just suspending the counterweight on ropes instead of tracks.
Sehr schöne Aufzüge, im Österreich heißen alte Schindler Aufzüge auch Wertheim.
Ich habe von Wertheim gehört und einige Videos gesehen, aber bisher nichts selber. Wertheim wurde 1969 von Schindler zum grossteil aufgekauft, ähnlich wie das bei Schlieren in der Schweiz 9 Jahre zuvor auch passiert ist.
Natürlich kenne ich diese beiden Aufzügen, war dort schon oft und habe sie auch gefilmt. Und sie sollten immer noch vorhanden sein (letzter Stand: Januar 2023). Ich hoffe, dass sie noch eine Weile bleiben, da sie sehr schön sind. Sie sind original aus den 70er Jahren mit den damals typischen R-Series Tableaus und den ebenfalls typischen Schindler Schwingtüren. Sehr schön finde ich auch die Schachtwandverzierung, wieder einmal etwas anderes als einfach nur grau oder weiss.
Und das beste ist der Anfahrsound, der hört man auch nicht bei allen noch existierenden 70er Jahre Aufzügen. Relaissteuerung war damals natürlich noch Standard oder?
Dachte mir schon, dass du diese Anlagen sofort erkennen wirst. Ich bin auch dirch dein Video darauf gestossen. Die Aufnhamen hier stammen vom Sommer 2022. Schön zu hören, dass die Anlagen noch immer so original sind. Es sind echte Prachtexemplare von unverbastelten, originalen Schindlern aus den frühen 70ern.
Die Schachtauskleidung an der Vorderseite ist mir auch aufgefallen. Sieht für mich nach Novilon aus, also PVC-Bodenbelag von anno dazumals.
Genau, Anfang 70er waren Relaissteuerngen noch immer der Standard und für die noblen Anlagen gabs natürlich die Aconic. Erst Ende 70er / Anfang 80er kam dann die Mic E und später die Mic B.
sehr schön👌 bitte die Anlagen erhalten
Danke! Hoffe auch, dass die Anlagen bleiben. Die Entscheidung liegt ja letztenendes beim Gebäudeeigentümer.
the left winch is very quiet, even quieter than some modern ones. it is interesting that instead of counterweight guides, the cable is stretched. I've never seen anything like this, so I don't understand how it interacts.
Just has to guide, and looks like it is a lot easier to align as well, as you only have 2 points top and bottom, and then likely a spring pack (with a record of spring compression likely in the register) at the base to tension it. Guides would only wear slowly, as they have no real forces on them aside from vibration in the cable, so should outlast the car guides themselves. but you can change them in situ, looks like they are split, and held by a collar or a bolt.
I think the left one is more quiet because the walls of the machineroom are isolated with anti-noise panels. The yellow stuff on the walls.
The motor room is insulated with glass wool, making it extremely quiet indeed.
Schindler built this counterweight suspension system very often in the 60s and 70s. It's just 4 cables fixed at the top and bottom of the shaft and the counterweight has gude shoes that grip around the cables.
Exactly, that's how it works. The springs that tensions the guide ropes are at the op though. Usually the ropes are just fixed through holes in the shaft ceiling / motor room floor but here it was decided to use the metal beam construction at the back of the shaft instead.
Sehr schöne Anlagen! Was mir interessiert sind die Volltreibscheiben. Fast alle Maschienen mit KDLF/KDH wurde geliefert mit 2-teiliger Scheiben. Da sie beiden Gelb lackiert sind ware diesen vermutlich neu ersatst werden.
Dankesehr!
Ja, die neuen Treibscheiben sind mir auch aufgefallen. Ich habe das schon öfters gesehen, das bei den kleineren W55 Winden Schindler neue Volltreibscheiben montiert hat. Aber ich weiss leider nicht, was da zuvor für eine Scheibe drauf war. Die zweiteiligen habe ich bisher nur bei den grösseren Maschinen gesehen, W57 und so.
Wow very beautiful elevators !
Do you have seen my new video of the Schindler D series in Parking Manor Delémont ?
I wonder what kind of lift there was before. A Schindler R series with automatical doors from early 70s ? A friend told me that the replacement is from 2002 but he doesn't know what was the previous lift. It would interest me to know.
Thenk you!
I have had a look at the video and the interior of the lift car loos still like 80s or 80s, so this lift was just modernised with new controller, new buttons and new doors but is still partially original. That is my guess. I don't know what it was before though, you could just guess. R-Series is probably the only option that makes sense as it is too young for Q-series and if it was even newer (S- or M- series) it would not have been modded in 2002 already.
@TheLiftDragon thanks :) yes, we can see the floor indicator that's a different model than inside, we rarely see it on "new" D series. So it was probably a R series modernized with new doors and fixtures. I know that inside the Manor Delemont shop there is 2 Otis Gen 2 who replaces 1960s innerdoorless Q series with long windows.
And in Kaufhaus Manor Morges (near Lausanne) did you find the information about what were the old lifts before the 2003s Otis Gen 2 ? I have known the old innerdoorless lifts as a child but I don t remember the brand and fixtures (Schindler like the old lifts in Delemont, or Schlieren ?)
@TheLiftDragon and in Coop City Schaffhausen do you know what was the old lift before the Schindler Eurolift from 2004 ?
I just asked around but sadly I cant tell you what either was in Schaffhausen or in Morges before the lifts from now from the early 2000s.
@@TheLiftDragon in what towns do you know the old lifts before the actuals in Manor and Coop City ?