I've got a tune I built, that I run on mine. Removes the torque dip, and also removes the risk of you chewing up your HP injector seals which earlier stock ROMs do. Free of charge for you guys :P
i have frs and let me tell you some good breaks nothing crazy tune and headers and you will find a huge difference on track! i love car its too much fun!
I took it as a joke. Kind of how people will exaggerate their own accomplishments, if he can say he caught/passed an STI it sounds better than WRX. So he's like making fun of himself for being proud of keeping up with the WRX by calling it an STI.
You can fit a ticked out turbo 4 cylinder in a Civic, you can fit a turbo charged V6 or NA V8 in a MX-5 (Then do chassis strengthening and suspension geometry modifications). They are just chassis configurations to me, never see the point to equate brand and model to performance levels. Yeah, I know there are limits, etc etc.
This was literally my experience in my Evo X at the RAC track in WA. Turned off the individual wheel braking which stops the car from rotating and end of the next main straight I immediately lost spinning 180 off into the sand. It's amazing how much it helps and you can barely tell it's doing so in the dry (in the wet it's a lot more noticable). In both cases I had the "traction control" off which limits throttle - so no throttle limiting - just disabling the ABS based stability control or not which in the Evo X you do by holding down the traction control button for 3 seconds (single press disables the Traction Throttle Limiting).
thats what happens when you dont revmatch, in my bmw if i come to a roundabout and shift from 3rd to 2nd ithout a revmatch it kicks out immediately, when I revmatch it carries on straight
ESC sport isn't full off, it opens up the nannies to allow more slip angle before cutting in. There is an ESC/TC off button next to that which he never touched. If Moog did the pedal dance, he'd loose all nannies, no T/C, Stability, ABS and EBS[Electronic brake distribution]
Because sport mode rarely ever has anything to do with performance. Its almost always about giving the driver the kind of experience they expect from a performance car. While in the modern car world you don't need a rough ride and barking exhaust to be quick around a track.
@@DrewLSsix Ummm no.... Having anything modulate and restrict your throttle input will slow someone down from what actually can be done. This is where skill come's in. ABS is better off also... if you're on the road, leave them on. Modern cars are quick standard (relatively speaking). Don't really lack for much, except tires.
I am telling you, I bought a Scion FR-S(American 86) and people cried about it being slow. I told them, then you aren't driving it correctly. I love that car!
Glad to hear you guys are aware about the header/tune situation! I drove one of these as a race car with only headers/exhaust, a tune, and new tires with a suspension. It was an absolute monster around a track without that torque dip and 35~ more RWHP. I even have a video of me passing a twin-turbo lambo in it. I hope you guys give it the little extra push it needs and take it back out! It's also interesting that the torque dip is intentional to keep fuel economy and street drivability for their target market, which was 40+ businessmen. While I think it's still a silly decision, it effectively means that the car is a blank slate. It is one of the most capable chassis to come out in a very, very long time. Can't wait to see what you guys come up with for the next step in this car's journey!
Absolutely enjoyable to watch Moog have that much fun. You just seemed so happy and in your element. Great video and hope to see some more, possibly a track day in the HondaMini?
My Son and I just finished Modding and tuning his BRZ. Edelbrock Supercharger 93 Oct Tune 700cc Injectors Big Fuel Pump. Catted Headers Full Exhaust KW V3 Coilovers Wilwood Big Brake kits on all 4 corners Flywheel and Clutch 18x8 Fronts with 225/40R18 Michelin Pilot Sport 4S 18x9.5 Rears with 255/35R18 Michelin Pilot Sport 4S
Awesome footage and commentary. You capture the essence and thrill of opening cars up, on a sealed track with your mates, on a beautiful day. Thanks again boys.
@@DOZDDMGator to be fair it's fairly hilarious watching anyone of any age try to get out of an Elise. It's basically impossible to get out of my vx220 and maintain any sense of glory.
@@abattlescar I don't think anyone thinks it's a track day "legend", but it's fun and it has cheap tire and brake costs which is important since fast cars cost ridiculous amounts of money to put on a track.
@@abattlescar With proper track prep that most track cars should have (200tw or lower tires, brake pads and fluid, an oil cooler, and good cornering suspension not what moog has) they are damn fast and fun. I have one and I was shitting on much faster cars' times with all of that prep except my kw clubsports I just put on, now with them and a track alignment the car corners stupid fast!
@no no he didn't need to overtake that close to his traction limit on the inside of a corner, one slip up could total both cars. Its a track day not a race, but Im also not sure why they arent doing point bys to minimize that risk.
Random BRZ facts from a 2017 brz owner: -The BRZ stock tires are the same ones that are put on the prius "Michilin Primacy" -The 2017 brz has a updated traction control. They call it "track mode". The way it interferes isn't as sudden and feels a lot smoother and natural vs the VSC off.
You can also swap the VDC control module of a 2017+ car in a 2012-2016 and have the updated traction control. All it takes is a connector pin swap on the 2012 to 2014, plug and play on 2015+
11:30 MX5 overtakes on the inside 11:40 Moog's not having it, red mist sets in, he shuts up and goes on the attack 😆 yeah, you know you're outgunned and underpowered...
Moog, idk if it was your intention to show how awesome a track day can truely be, but you did it with this video. I have never done a track day, but have always wanted to. You have inspired me to re evaluate my projects, and continue on my journey of building my track car. Great video and great commentary. I loved when the Miata passed you, that was the start of the best and most motivating part of your video. You have truly shown your audience how much fun can be had just driving a car in a closed safe environment. Thanks!
When that white Miata passed, I started to grip my phone so hard, and man did my heart start pumping. Then you got serious and started working the steering wheel, loved it!
If i remember the manufacturer launch hype for the car correctly. The Prius tyres were used specifically for their low grip. The low power-even lower grip combo allowed drivers to push the car on the roads, have a bit of tail happy action without going too criminally fast. Caterham did exactly the same with their 600cc suzuki engined car. I dont think it was ever designed as a track warrior, more a budget drifter.
Nice to see someone on a race track who admits that the car is not the limiting factor, driver skill is, while saying they were glad to have the abs/tc aids. What a great way to get on the track safely while putting a major grin on your face. Lucky person.
No one likes getting passed by a Miata - that’s why everyone hates them, bc they are so good. 😉 I have had 3 Miatas, and owned a BRZ. The BRZ was great. Sport mode on or all nannies off is the way to go. The issue though is no low end torque. It’s much slower than it looks. Passing cars on a 1 lane each direction road wasn’t easy - the other car gets upset you are passing them (while they are on their cell phone doing 10 under the speed limit), and they hit the gas. Then you are side by side. Just not enough power when you really need it - but plenty of power 95% of the time. Moog - that shift light is programmable. You can set it for the rpm you want it to come on. Nothing to do with the car itself warning you - the previous owner just chose that rpm. The manual shifter in that car is so good. Awesome feel. The seats are great. The low seating position and low COG just help the car corner so nicely. What’s even better is the “center point” of rotation of the car feels like it’s right in front of your body (or at your body if you have the seat more forward), so the car rotates around you. So amazing - no way to describe how much a part of the car you feel driving one at the limits. Hoping the next gen doesn’t lose that charm but gets more power to match its abilities!
He didn't like getting passed by the Miata because the driver dangerously overtook on the inside line because he thought he was racing in F1. Miatas are great, but the driver of that white one was a dick.
Keon R. Not necessarily dangerous, only dangerous if moog didn’t act accordingly. I’d say it’s more bullying and lack of courtesy for other drivers’ fun
@Bob Dole WRX? Might want to do some research. There are so many reasons to pick up an MX-5/BRZ/86 instead. RWD coupe is just the way to go if you enjoy driving.
Bob Dole - I sold my BRZ after 4 years. I have an STi hatch now. I had a WRX wagon for 14 years, 4 of which were alongside the BRZ. My STi has the JDM Spec C suspension and bushings. Handles great, enough power to keep me happy and out of trouble, and amazing in all weather. Still, when you got in a BRZ, it felt like putting on a suit. The car was an extension of you. The STi is better in every way except that connection.
Marco V - I have an S197 Mustang GT as a second car. It’s fun but big and heavy and spins the tires too easily. Bumps upset the rear and it tries to pass the front. Would rather have my BRZ back many times - EXCEPT when dealing with some traffic around LA where people don’t let you over, etc, and you have to do a quick 60-90mph pull in a small window to escape your “box”. The BRZ couldn’t do those. But my STi handles slightly better than my Mustang. Both modified for handling. They’re close - but feel completely different. Honestly, had Subaru given the BRZ the turbo engine from the WRX, it would have been amazing.
Totally agree with track days. I had an old friend come out with a completely stock Camry and has been addicted ever since. I try to persuade people to give it a go, as long as your brakes aren't too worn and same with whatever all-seasons you have. It's the most fun you can have with your pants on
H yes. 😁 Put a Sprintex in there for more low down power without changing the character of the car (other than power 😁). Would be great to see the difference in times and any difference in overall fun factor.
He did say when he first introduced no turbo. if almost felt like he avoided saying supercharger or FI. I hope for an edelbrock or Sprintex and maybe catless header.
All the people going on about more power are the kind who's driving extent goes to Hard parks and flexing numbers, Never touched a track at the most they done "Cruise Sessions" Just look how much this man is enjoying the Car, THat is all that matters. Thats it. End of story.
Yes. 100% of people who say 86s are slow peices of shit are only hard parkers and never done any track time. Or maybe they have done track time and realise why the fuck youd buy that car. And its the hard parkers who think their 86s are qUiCK ThRouGh tHe CorNeRs. An mx5 or s2k is quicker through the corners and puts up better times 😂 Let alone something with actual power, you still have to set an 86 up for track work. Why not buy a real car and, get this, set it up for track work... mind blown right?
Correct. If you enjoy it as it is then great. I enjoyed mine NA for several years before putting in an SC. I would only say from personal experience though, that for me putting in an SC really improved my enjoyment of the car. In a big way! 😁 I don't do track, it's my daily drive and I just love it with the SC. Easy to do and for me well worth the money. That and the upgraded exhaust.... oh... and those truly terrible tail lights. They were the first to go! 😁
Love watching the joy on Moog's face, haha. Reminds me (and him, I think) just how much fun they have with their silly RUclips project. Good for you guys, and thanks for the content.
holding the traction button (not the flag button) until the dash lights up is definitely all aids off. can confirm doing full drift sessions without doing the silly dance.
@@autohans540 it's easy and pretty usable, but if you're going to spend a lot of time sideways like on a skidpan you definitely need to do the pedal dance. Just holding the TC buttons, it will turn off most of the aids but after a while you'll notice ABS behaving weirdly and braking some of your wheels while you try mess around. Pedal dance is the way and easy once you've done it a few times
@@matthewvanzyl6158 Long hold press of button (even though not fully off like with pedal dance) is still way better than using sport mode on track. Sport mode interferes too much when it doesn't need to on sticky tires. If you are going to track one of these, at minimum do full hold after starting the car before going out of paddock/pits (since can't be done at speed unlike sport mode). Full hold still has EBD active...if you want that off go all the way and do pedal dance.
FWIW Moog, Stability Control and Traction Control can be turned off completely by simply holding down the traction control button for 3 seconds while stopped.
I"m about to lose my FR-S, but will absolutely get another of the same platform. Every time I drive it is enjoyable, no matter how short or long the trip is.
That corner you can’t get right is a late apex. You’re coming in a little early and not wide enough. Wider entry with a later apex and you’ll take that corner much faster and smoother. That BRZ looks a lot of fun as well especially when you turned the sport mode on and started hitting the limits, gave me chills!
Subaru's creativity with headrests is interesting. The rear seat headrests in the BH wagons can be removed and put back from the bottom at the back of the seat, so you can store them when not needed, adding more clear view out of the rearview mirror. My '02 Outback also has the shortened center headrest to help add to rear visibility, which is low enough I don't have to remove.
You can turn off the stability control more than just the vsc sport button. Press and hold on the traction control button for 5 seconds turns off traction control and stability control. It lets you get even more sideways than just the vsc sport button. Then the next step is the pedal dance thing with hand brake and brake pedal.
@@TheMashedFM definetly has a turbo or supercharger if not a swap concidering how fast it shot by, cause the brz is slow but it is faster than every stock N/A miata or on par with it in the case of the nd.
17:34 - What the lunkhead power junkies will never understand about the 86, but I'm glad Moog does. Hearing him say how happy he was with the car at the very end of the video made me smile, after how negative he was when he first bought it. That's called an "86 conversion" folks, and that's what happens when you drive one.
My BRZ is a 2016 in Canada, I press and hold the TCS Off button for about 5 seconds and it turns most of it off unless you are getting wheels off the road. I've done full donuts in this mode and the traction control doesn't cut in. Once I've got the car up to temp and got a feel for the grip level at the track I switch to this mode. I'm pretty smooth with my inputs so I don't have any issues in this mode. It's only when you try to Chuck it about too much that you hear the abs grabbing brakes
You guys should do some rallycross style racing, doesn't have to be anything radical but flying over a mix of dirt, gravel, and pavement has been more fun to me recently than road track. I've been running what started life as a 70's Super Beetle and is now a front engine AWD powered by a 1.8T 225 Quattro powertrain. Custom chassis starting with Audi TT subframes and suspension with Body attached pretty much like a regular Beetle with a cage added in. It's road legal and still has air con/heat with proper insulation but rubber flooring instead of carpet, modern gauge cluster, shifter, seats, etc. Have had to road trip it a couple times, not half bad after swapping back for road tires and adjusting the suspension.
I agree with you about the safety systems. Just leave them on. They are so good in new cars that they don't really intervene unless absolutely necessary. I only turn them off when I'm in the snow having some fun :)
I haven't taken my 2015 GK5 (mk 3) Honda Fit on the track, but even without a helmet I found the headrest bothersome, and I found that I was able to turn it backward, so that's one thing my Honda has in common with the BRZ.
I dig driving a lower powered rear drive car on the track! It’s not always about how fast the car can go, but how hard you can drive the car before hitting the limit.
You want to enter turn two wide, take the middle of the corner while in the centre of the track and hit the apex late in the corner to maximise speed through it. Otherwise you scrub speed and traction while trying to hug the inside of a long tight bend for too long with an incorrect line. Once you've got that dialed, it's a double apex turn for the serious punters. Apex on entry and exit.
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I've got a tune I built, that I run on mine. Removes the torque dip, and also removes the risk of you chewing up your HP injector seals which earlier stock ROMs do. Free of charge for you guys :P
i have frs and let me tell you some good breaks nothing crazy tune and headers and you will find a huge difference on track! i love car its too much fun!
@@Wildmarshmellow Headers aren't super necessary to get rid of the 'torque hole'. Can be done with a tune alone. It's all in the cam timing.
@@ranga2050 i have done it try'd both and headers made huge difference stock ones have a cat in them
6:56 He said it! Marty is here in his "STI" :)
First time i heard him admit its an STI XD
I think they have both got a point on camera for admitting to what to call it.
you can see him following him for the whole beginning of the video (havent watched more than a few m inutes so far)
In the beginning I was focusing on a blue WRX in the rear view mirror...strangely not passing...which was weird, or normal, depending who you ask.
I took it as a joke. Kind of how people will exaggerate their own accomplishments, if he can say he caught/passed an STI it sounds better than WRX. So he's like making fun of himself for being proud of keeping up with the WRX by calling it an STI.
"I don't like getting passed by an MX-5. I don't like it all!" - words have been spoken by many men who have been passed by MX-5's.
It's not often we get to just gap someone in our mx5's, but when it does happen, it's a feeling like no other
I got a hunch that most people would feel the same when getting passed by a honda civic.
You can fit a ticked out turbo 4 cylinder in a Civic, you can fit a turbo charged V6 or NA V8 in a MX-5 (Then do chassis strengthening and suspension geometry modifications). They are just chassis configurations to me, never see the point to equate brand and model to performance levels. Yeah, I know there are limits, etc etc.
Ah, when you're out in your tractor and a MX5 passes you.. Hate that.
I would say the worst is getting passed by a Prius... but lets face it.. that's never going to happen
14:46 turns off electronic aids. 14.47 almost bins it . Beautiful.
He didn't match the gear haha
This was literally my experience in my Evo X at the RAC track in WA. Turned off the individual wheel braking which stops the car from rotating and end of the next main straight I immediately lost spinning 180 off into the sand. It's amazing how much it helps and you can barely tell it's doing so in the dry (in the wet it's a lot more noticable). In both cases I had the "traction control" off which limits throttle - so no throttle limiting - just disabling the ABS based stability control or not which in the Evo X you do by holding down the traction control button for 3 seconds (single press disables the Traction Throttle Limiting).
thats what happens when you dont revmatch, in my bmw if i come to a roundabout and shift from 3rd to 2nd ithout a revmatch it kicks out immediately, when I revmatch it carries on straight
ESC sport isn't full off, it opens up the nannies to allow more slip angle before cutting in.
There is an ESC/TC off button next to that which he never touched. If Moog did the pedal dance, he'd loose all nannies, no T/C, Stability, ABS and EBS[Electronic brake distribution]
Haha Moog called it an STI.
Kevin Ferguson XD
*Tuned by STi
@@jbu89gb I meant Marty's machine, Moogs always calling it a WRX haha
@@tworodsdownunder he even called it an STI in a previous episode of MCM1 channel, second part of putting it together :D
They should call Marty's car the blue waffle. Because it's blue... And an sti
This is what MCM needs more of. The actual joy of driving! Great!
I absolutely agree. I was lucky enough to attend the MCM Nationals at Eastern Creek and it was a blast to drive around with their cars in the mix.
Mcm has got boring
When that miata passed, I can see Moog calculating if a header and tune is in the monthly budget XD
In this episode of Mighty Car Mods, Moog demonstrates what it's like to be a mobile chicane for faster cars. 😁👍
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Moog is like the one B class car in an A class race on Forza, having fun in the corners but not passing anytime soon
Dude, YES
Like the guy who always picks the anti armor class just because he prefers to blow everyone up, but hes not getting massive kill streaks
Love doing that but thrashing the A classes also
When the MX5 passed you and the camera showed your face you were definitely visibly mad. No hiding your emotions after lol.
Moog getting the old red mist when the mx5 passed him under brakes, instantly got way more aggressive behind the wheel haha
Moog's face when trying to keep up with the MX5: NEEEEEED MOOAAAAR POWERRRRR.
he was still on traction control, and you don't know what that mx5 has
"No problem keeping up with him" Turns on sport mode. Starts sliding the back end. Marty drives away.
Because sport mode rarely ever has anything to do with performance. Its almost always about giving the driver the kind of experience they expect from a performance car.
While in the modern car world you don't need a rough ride and barking exhaust to be quick around a track.
@@DrewLSsix on toyota, it uncap the ecu to perform at least 30% more, but it does need to be tuned and supercharged to push 500hp
@@cybermike-exe No.
@@DrewLSsix Ummm no.... Having anything modulate and restrict your throttle input will slow someone down from what actually can be done. This is where skill come's in. ABS is better off also... if you're on the road, leave them on.
Modern cars are quick standard (relatively speaking). Don't really lack for much, except tires.
@@snowboxesful dont forget lsd lol
as a brz owner i can feel how that traction control sounds
BRUUUUUPPPPPPPP
last time i drove with that on was on the test drive, never again haha
I can feel the back end coming out, and I dont know what that would be like without protection 😂😂
I am telling you, I bought a Scion FR-S(American 86) and people cried about it being slow. I told them, then you aren't driving it correctly. I love that car!
86 is a car that punishes poor driving, and rewards smooth driving. It will teach you to be a faster Driver, which you can take to any vehicle.
this.
It's not straight line fast, but it is a drivers car. It doesn't need 400hp to be fun, but it'd be more fun with 400hp.
Glad to hear you guys are aware about the header/tune situation! I drove one of these as a race car with only headers/exhaust, a tune, and new tires with a suspension. It was an absolute monster around a track without that torque dip and 35~ more RWHP. I even have a video of me passing a twin-turbo lambo in it. I hope you guys give it the little extra push it needs and take it back out! It's also interesting that the torque dip is intentional to keep fuel economy and street drivability for their target market, which was 40+ businessmen. While I think it's still a silly decision, it effectively means that the car is a blank slate. It is one of the most capable chassis to come out in a very, very long time. Can't wait to see what you guys come up with for the next step in this car's journey!
Do you have an E-85 tune on it?
Absolutely enjoyable to watch Moog have that much fun. You just seemed so happy and in your element. Great video and hope to see some more, possibly a track day in the HondaMini?
Love how pissed and competitive Moog got when that MX-5 rudely overtook him
Skrathos it’s pretty much a thing between mx5 and brz/86 drivers as they are very similar cars!
@@doctorscoot MX-5 The poor man's BRZ? They make decent first project cars at least, from what I hear.
Skrathos yeah they do, you can get old ones for pretty cheap and you can make them go pretty fast too.
Oscar Wilde uhhhh you can lighten a brz too dude
Oscar Wilde where do you get 300kg out of an mx5
Ying was on her cool down lap...don't underestimate the echo!!
My Son and I just finished Modding and tuning his BRZ.
Edelbrock Supercharger
93 Oct Tune
700cc Injectors
Big Fuel Pump.
Catted Headers
Full Exhaust
KW V3 Coilovers
Wilwood Big Brake kits on all 4 corners
Flywheel and Clutch
18x8 Fronts with 225/40R18 Michelin Pilot Sport 4S
18x9.5 Rears with 255/35R18 Michelin Pilot Sport 4S
Love it! Excellent mod selection!
Sounds fun.......
Should have stayed square set up on these cars 😁
...still gets gapped by STI's 😁
axel fox with the amount of rake and suspension tune the car is very balanced. No understeer to speak of.
Moog: “Having fun time”
Miata: “Passes him”
Moog: REEEEEEEEE!
00:41 "There's some very fast cars out here, there's also some nuggets." *Glances in the mirror at Marty's WRX.*
STI
@@ericunderwing hmmm, nah.
@@murph7421 6:58 sti
@@dallasmellsop5488 Yeah, he was probably kicking himself editing this video.
@@ericunderwing Type R
Awesome footage and commentary. You capture the essence and thrill of opening cars up, on a sealed track with your mates, on a beautiful day.
Thanks again boys.
5:45 "I recon he's probably in IT like most Lotus owners are" Raises hand slowly - I'm in IT, I've owned an Esprit, an Elan and a VX220.
Elise owner... in IT. Didn't realise that was a thing.
Lotus owners if young are in IT but most are very old men who may or may not be able to get in or out of them
@@DOZDDMGator to be fair it's fairly hilarious watching anyone of any age try to get out of an Elise. It's basically impossible to get out of my vx220 and maintain any sense of glory.
Also in IT but don't have a lotus. It's my dream car though and if I had enough money it's the first and only car i'd buy
@@georgeparsonage3278 Pull your finger out, you're letting the IT Crowd down! :-D - What would you go for, on a realistic budget? modern or classic?
@6m55s: "Marty is also here; in his STI." I beg your pardon? In his what?
Everyone’ll record that now
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I love how after the mx-5 was a prick moog really smashed the brz to keep up haha.
It was a boat too, that he absolutely could not keep up with. BRZ is not the track day legend ideal.
@@abattlescar I don't think anyone thinks it's a track day "legend", but it's fun and it has cheap tire and brake costs which is important since fast cars cost ridiculous amounts of money to put on a track.
@@abattlescar With proper track prep that most track cars should have (200tw or lower tires, brake pads and fluid, an oil cooler, and good cornering suspension not what moog has) they are damn fast and fun. I have one and I was shitting on much faster cars' times with all of that prep except my kw clubsports I just put on, now with them and a track alignment the car corners stupid fast!
@no no he didn't need to overtake that close to his traction limit on the inside of a corner, one slip up could total both cars. Its a track day not a race, but Im also not sure why they arent doing point bys to minimize that risk.
It was at that moment that the BRZ earned a turbo
Random BRZ facts from a 2017 brz owner:
-The BRZ stock tires are the same ones that are put on the prius "Michilin Primacy"
-The 2017 brz has a updated traction control. They call it "track mode". The way it interferes isn't as sudden and feels a lot smoother and natural vs the VSC off.
You can also swap the VDC control module of a 2017+ car in a 2012-2016 and have the updated traction control. All it takes is a connector pin swap on the 2012 to 2014, plug and play on 2015+
@@niclime172 I am planning on doing this soon! I am glad they finally posted a concise DIY on the forums.
11:30 MX5 overtakes on the inside
11:40 Moog's not having it, red mist sets in, he shuts up and goes on the attack 😆
yeah, you know you're outgunned and underpowered...
19:05 and the MX5 blew up
@@TheGardeinator different one, but none the less, he got his revenge haha
"a lot of the speeds you gonna get to here, you would completely loose your licence on the street"
*laughs in Autobahn*
Took me a min till I realized this was the second channel 🤣
Took me 19 minutes... until I read this and had you figure it out for me!
18:45 Love this comment, "There's that STI I can see up there, about to get completely chopped by old mate and his MYOB package".
Moog, idk if it was your intention to show how awesome a track day can truely be, but you did it with this video. I have never done a track day, but have always wanted to. You have inspired me to re evaluate my projects, and continue on my journey of building my track car. Great video and great commentary. I loved when the Miata passed you, that was the start of the best and most motivating part of your video. You have truly shown your audience how much fun can be had just driving a car in a closed safe environment. Thanks!
10:04 voice squeak like a champ 👌🏼
used to call that a testi-pop when i was a kid
Relatively speaking it's slow but you had heaps of fun. I'd say that would make the BRZ 100% pure, no?
When that white Miata passed, I started to grip my phone so hard, and man did my heart start pumping. Then you got serious and started working the steering wheel, loved it!
Is that Marty right behind you?
I was just thinking the same 😆I saw the Subaru and thought "thats probably Marty"
Its there the entire session....... You know the wrx is faster
He called it an STI so I dunno
he literally says that the sti is marty in the video
Soon as the video started I was like that's gotta be Marty!
Invest in a polarizing filter for the helmet cam, it'll do wonders
IT/Accountant stereotype is so true for the lotus. 😂😂😂
Na bro we are all plumbers.
kinda true, guess the IT bois got good taste
@@ImBarryScottCSS I work in IT. At least 7 colleagues over the years owned a lotus 😂😂
@@olivercullen1737 fkn oath they do. Except I've always been about them RBs 😂
Didn't know this is so typical 😄
Well, guilty Evora owner here 😎 but a friend has an Elise, and she's not in IT 😉
If i remember the manufacturer launch hype for the car correctly. The Prius tyres were used specifically for their low grip. The low power-even lower grip combo allowed drivers to push the car on the roads, have a bit of tail happy action without going too criminally fast. Caterham did exactly the same with their 600cc suzuki engined car. I dont think it was ever designed as a track warrior, more a budget drifter.
Nice to see someone on a race track who admits that the car is not the limiting factor, driver skill is, while saying they were glad to have the abs/tc aids. What a great way to get on the track safely while putting a major grin on your face. Lucky person.
6:36 I had a dream Marty had an Evo like that but another colour
Was only a dream though
He has a blue one
We all had that dream.
6:58 finally called it an STI
That’s only because Marty. Wasn’t in the car with him. LOL 😂
He's been trolling subaru nuts since the blue subaru series started
No one likes getting passed by a Miata - that’s why everyone hates them, bc they are so good. 😉
I have had 3 Miatas, and owned a BRZ. The BRZ was great. Sport mode on or all nannies off is the way to go. The issue though is no low end torque. It’s much slower than it looks. Passing cars on a 1 lane each direction road wasn’t easy - the other car gets upset you are passing them (while they are on their cell phone doing 10 under the speed limit), and they hit the gas. Then you are side by side. Just not enough power when you really need it - but plenty of power 95% of the time.
Moog - that shift light is programmable. You can set it for the rpm you want it to come on. Nothing to do with the car itself warning you - the previous owner just chose that rpm.
The manual shifter in that car is so good. Awesome feel. The seats are great. The low seating position and low COG just help the car corner so nicely. What’s even better is the “center point” of rotation of the car feels like it’s right in front of your body (or at your body if you have the seat more forward), so the car rotates around you. So amazing - no way to describe how much a part of the car you feel driving one at the limits.
Hoping the next gen doesn’t lose that charm but gets more power to match its abilities!
He didn't like getting passed by the Miata because the driver dangerously overtook on the inside line because he thought he was racing in F1. Miatas are great, but the driver of that white one was a dick.
Keon R. Not necessarily dangerous, only dangerous if moog didn’t act accordingly. I’d say it’s more bullying and lack of courtesy for other drivers’ fun
@Bob Dole WRX? Might want to do some research. There are so many reasons to pick up an MX-5/BRZ/86 instead. RWD coupe is just the way to go if you enjoy driving.
Bob Dole - I sold my BRZ after 4 years. I have an STi hatch now. I had a WRX wagon for 14 years, 4 of which were alongside the BRZ.
My STi has the JDM Spec C suspension and bushings. Handles great, enough power to keep me happy and out of trouble, and amazing in all weather. Still, when you got in a BRZ, it felt like putting on a suit. The car was an extension of you. The STi is better in every way except that connection.
Marco V - I have an S197 Mustang GT as a second car. It’s fun but big and heavy and spins the tires too easily. Bumps upset the rear and it tries to pass the front. Would rather have my BRZ back many times - EXCEPT when dealing with some traffic around LA where people don’t let you over, etc, and you have to do a quick 60-90mph pull in a small window to escape your “box”. The BRZ couldn’t do those.
But my STi handles slightly better than my Mustang. Both modified for handling. They’re close - but feel completely different.
Honestly, had Subaru given the BRZ the turbo engine from the WRX, it would have been amazing.
Totally agree with track days. I had an old friend come out with a completely stock Camry and has been addicted ever since. I try to persuade people to give it a go, as long as your brakes aren't too worn and same with whatever all-seasons you have.
It's the most fun you can have with your pants on
Just started watching and I'm excited by the Subaru behind it.
Hahaha I love it " I'm just a d*ckhead with a RUclips channel " lmaoo hilarious
I've had mine exactly 2 years today and still love it for rallying around the back roads.
01:25 AM at a week day. Gotta watch MCM. Priorities! 👌
anyone else feeling a super charger coming on??
Supercharger would keep more purity than a turbocharger
F no
H yes. 😁 Put a Sprintex in there for more low down power without changing the character of the car (other than power 😁). Would be great to see the difference in times and any difference in overall fun factor.
He did say when he first introduced no turbo. if almost felt like he avoided saying supercharger or FI. I hope for an edelbrock or Sprintex and maybe catless header.
6 cylinder swap... with some "conventional" tuning. That would keep it pure ;-)
And adding some lightness, maybe...
Old school MCM - not edited to hell and yet such a great ride, would love more track day content like this :D
The look on Moogs face when the hairdresser in the mx5 pulls away is priceless.
All the people going on about more power are the kind who's driving extent goes to Hard parks and flexing numbers, Never touched a track at the most they done "Cruise Sessions"
Just look how much this man is enjoying the Car, THat is all that matters. Thats it. End of story.
Yes. 100% of people who say 86s are slow peices of shit are only hard parkers and never done any track time. Or maybe they have done track time and realise why the fuck youd buy that car. And its the hard parkers who think their 86s are qUiCK ThRouGh tHe CorNeRs. An mx5 or s2k is quicker through the corners and puts up better times 😂
Let alone something with actual power, you still have to set an 86 up for track work. Why not buy a real car and, get this, set it up for track work... mind blown right?
Correct. If you enjoy it as it is then great. I enjoyed mine NA for several years before putting in an SC. I would only say from personal experience though, that for me putting in an SC really improved my enjoyment of the car. In a big way! 😁 I don't do track, it's my daily drive and I just love it with the SC. Easy to do and for me well worth the money. That and the upgraded exhaust.... oh... and those truly terrible tail lights. They were the first to go! 😁
You know i've heard about a guy on the sunshine coast that makes a turbo kit for these cars
Does that guy happen to also run a RUclips channel? :P
@@fissschy yea
Todd McCarter could share it
@@WtfAreYouGonnaDo its turbo yoda, go check out his RUclips 'the skid factory'
Todd McCarter oh nvm I already know😂😂
Great video - so good to see you enjoying a car that isn't just a 300kw straight line warrior.
This is how all sports cars should be reviewed. Brilliant format!
While I’m early I’ll just start shouting: “HEADER AND A TUNE”
Havnar ttttuuurrrrbbboooo
Uel header+tune can't go wrong
And a turbo.
Please no turbo ... that won’t do the car any justice, if FI is on the table, I hope they go SC. Also, a 4 2 1 EL header will give the best results
Havnar nope. Turbo is the way they should be.
I really admire the honesty on keeping the safety stuff on it saved my ass on more than once. JX
RAGE mode on when MX5 cut in... Great video !! I totally enjoyed it !!!
Love watching the joy on Moog's face, haha. Reminds me (and him, I think) just how much fun they have with their silly RUclips project. Good for you guys, and thanks for the content.
Moog. Push & hold the left hand traction button for about 5 seconds.
That will 'mostly' turn off the VSC & traction control
holding the traction button (not the flag button) until the dash lights up is definitely all aids off. can confirm doing full drift sessions without doing the silly dance.
@@autohans540 it's easy and pretty usable, but if you're going to spend a lot of time sideways like on a skidpan you definitely need to do the pedal dance. Just holding the TC buttons, it will turn off most of the aids but after a while you'll notice ABS behaving weirdly and braking some of your wheels while you try mess around. Pedal dance is the way and easy once you've done it a few times
@@matthewvanzyl6158 Long hold press of button (even though not fully off like with pedal dance) is still way better than using sport mode on track. Sport mode interferes too much when it doesn't need to on sticky tires. If you are going to track one of these, at minimum do full hold after starting the car before going out of paddock/pits (since can't be done at speed unlike sport mode). Full hold still has EBD active...if you want that off go all the way and do pedal dance.
@@Vracer111 yup 100% agreed. Hence why I mentioned nothing about sport mode in my reply.
Every time he says "in his STi" instead of "with his STi" is a missed opportunity in my book. Hi Cheryl...
The smile on Moogs face says it all. The little Subie is fun to drive !
I really enjoyed this. Thank you for the honest commentary. I must admit this series has me looking for one.
Notice Moog said “Marty is here... in his STI”
He finally acknowledged it’s an STI 😂
6:29 Blown evo engine... At the same spot as Marty's 2SEXY. 😆
The evo graveyard😂
probably coz people hammer it down the straight hitting the redline... and then it blows.
The cursed corner :o
I love how at every trackday they tell you it's not a race. But it totally becomes a race.
FWIW Moog, Stability Control and Traction Control can be turned off completely by simply holding down the traction control button for 3 seconds while stopped.
Moog , the smile you are wearing tells us all we need to know.
The fact he didn't beeped "d***head" gives you a hint on what he said to that mx-5 owner 😂👌
I"m about to lose my FR-S, but will absolutely get another of the same platform. Every time I drive it is enjoyable, no matter how short or long the trip is.
That corner you can’t get right is a late apex. You’re coming in a little early and not wide enough. Wider entry with a later apex and you’ll take that corner much faster and smoother. That BRZ looks a lot of fun as well especially when you turned the sport mode on and started hitting the limits, gave me chills!
"I am on you like a hemorrhoid" - Moog 2020 13:53
5:44 "What is that, an Evora?" No, it's an Exige
Subaru's creativity with headrests is interesting. The rear seat headrests in the BH wagons can be removed and put back from the bottom at the back of the seat, so you can store them when not needed, adding more clear view out of the rearview mirror. My '02 Outback also has the shortened center headrest to help add to rear visibility, which is low enough I don't have to remove.
When you gained on the nugget I got a physical wave of happiness haha So much fun!
11:20 is where this video starts hahahaha
G’day mate
Morning love
Hey bud
Morning bröthër
God Morgon from Sweden
Once again great video boys! hope we get 21 minutes from Marty's POV.
You can turn off the stability control more than just the vsc sport button. Press and hold on the traction control button for 5 seconds turns off traction control and stability control. It lets you get even more sideways than just the vsc sport button. Then the next step is the pedal dance thing with hand brake and brake pedal.
"AcceLeRAtiNg out of the corner" - Blair, circa 2020.
Passed by a Miata on a long straight away... And for that reason I'm out
That mx5 was either the factory turbo one or it's had a turbo slapped on it.
@@TheMashedFM NCs don't come factory turbo. But they do have a bit more power than the OG NA/NB's.
-MiatazGoneWild ;P
@@xperia5295 at 4:27, that was an NB
@@TheMashedFM definetly has a turbo or supercharger if not a swap concidering how fast it shot by, cause the brz is slow but it is faster than every stock N/A miata or on par with it in the case of the nd.
Imagine how the driver of that little blue nugget felt getting passed by a BRZ lol
17:34 - What the lunkhead power junkies will never understand about the 86, but I'm glad Moog does. Hearing him say how happy he was with the car at the very end of the video made me smile, after how negative he was when he first bought it. That's called an "86 conversion" folks, and that's what happens when you drive one.
My BRZ is a 2016 in Canada, I press and hold the TCS Off button for about 5 seconds and it turns most of it off unless you are getting wheels off the road. I've done full donuts in this mode and the traction control doesn't cut in. Once I've got the car up to temp and got a feel for the grip level at the track I switch to this mode. I'm pretty smooth with my inputs so I don't have any issues in this mode. It's only when you try to Chuck it about too much that you hear the abs grabbing brakes
Good job moog plus you have good track manners letting the much quicker cars pass you when its safe and leaving lots of room
that Yaris at the end tho..... i know, it's called an echo in asia, but here in europe that was the 1st gen yaris.... great little car...
I love the enthusiasm for the driving experience more than anything. I have an FR-S version in America. Absolutely love it!
You guys should do some rallycross style racing, doesn't have to be anything radical but flying over a mix of dirt, gravel, and pavement has been more fun to me recently than road track. I've been running what started life as a 70's Super Beetle and is now a front engine AWD powered by a 1.8T 225 Quattro powertrain. Custom chassis starting with Audi TT subframes and suspension with Body attached pretty much like a regular Beetle with a cage added in. It's road legal and still has air con/heat with proper insulation but rubber flooring instead of carpet, modern gauge cluster, shifter, seats, etc. Have had to road trip it a couple times, not half bad after swapping back for road tires and adjusting the suspension.
Drove SMSP at 2016 MCM Nationals, most fun I've had in my car and a great day all round, cheers.
Love the style of video guys. Simple and really captured what it must be like to do a track day.
I agree with you about the safety systems. Just leave them on. They are so good in new cars that they don't really intervene unless absolutely necessary. I only turn them off when I'm in the snow having some fun :)
mate don't put yourself down, you have done so much for so many people over the years. You have a good heart
I haven't taken my 2015 GK5 (mk 3) Honda Fit on the track, but even without a helmet I found the headrest bothersome, and I found that I was able to turn it backward, so that's one thing my Honda has in common with the BRZ.
Thanks for the proper evaluative track day experience and as always the commentary was fantastic.
Stay safe.
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It's awesome seeing the pure joy of Moog, who was a doubter of the 86, enjoying what this car is all about.
I dig driving a lower powered rear drive car on the track! It’s not always about how fast the car can go, but how hard you can drive the car before hitting the limit.
Picking up a 2016 MY17 BRZ with 35,000 on the clock on Saturday. Can’t wait!
You want to enter turn two wide, take the middle of the corner while in the centre of the track and hit the apex late in the corner to maximise speed through it. Otherwise you scrub speed and traction while trying to hug the inside of a long tight bend for too long with an incorrect line.
Once you've got that dialed, it's a double apex turn for the serious punters. Apex on entry and exit.
Once you get the header and tune, it will really open up the whole powerband. Best thing I've done on my 86
haha i'm really glad Moog enjoyed the 86 chassis