Forza Motorsport vs Project Cars 2 | General Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- Both in Ultra settings 1440p Forza Motorsport 2023 RayTracing ON. Comparing Attention to detail, visuals, sound, animations, textures, lightning, ambient and more. Reminder: Forza Motorsport is from a Microsoft studio, took 6 years to develop, and... needless to say more.
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They removed puddles because the community was crying! They developed 3D puddles that cars would hydroplane off of, and people got pissy
Pretty much this and I'm happy that they removed those stupid puddles. If there are puddles like that on the track, you aren't racing precisely because of the hydroplaning which leads to crashing. Light rain is all you should be racing in otherwise the race is cancelled.
Also hydroplaning is not as pronounced on wide tires as it is on thinner street tires. The greater tire surface area creates for contact and tension with the water and is less likely to skip along the top. I think trying to make realistic puddles right now is almost impossible. Too many variables to consider. Speed, weight, downforce, tire width, approach angle, ride height, spring stiffness, caster angle, weight distribution etc. will all play a factor in if or when the vehicle hydroplanes.
@@bestplayeraliveeven GT6 also has puddle effects like in MotoGP13 but not FM8.
@@Delimon007it is frequently the case in NASCAR, even light rains may possibly cancel a NASCAR event.
Seriously?!
I like the "clever" use of camera angles to hide the fact that pit stops are STILL a joke in Forza.
They tried to be creative, at least lol.
There’s actual animations compared to the last games, and they are clever let’s be real here lol.
@@fifteen8850 An improvement in the franchise, that's it. Still behind the competence.
@@KonTurboRFORZA MOTORSPORT 8: BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP. (The end result: NOPE).
PROJECT CARS 2: This is THE TRUE GAME BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP. The end result: 👍
After GT4 I stopped playing racing games for a while. project cars 2 was my gateway into sim racing. Although a the cars handled a little floaty it had awesome mechanics like an engineer who helped tune your car depending on your feedback, fully customisable race hud and cockpit view, A numerical and trackable safety rating and ELO rating, lobbies that can only be entered if you achieve a certain safety rating - All things Forza is missing.
Weren't u sim racing when racing in gt?
@@neilbezuidenhout9284 my gateway back into sim racingwas project cars 2
@@caterinavega4228true. Setsuna Yuki also a big fan of these Simracing games like PC2 and Assetto Corsa Competizione.
I love project cars 2. The dynamic weather and times of day made for some great races. FM8 just doesn't come close in terms of tracka or weather. They done even have aquaplaning.
I love PC 2, too. Previous FMs have had aquaplaning, wonder if the AI was bad enough without it, they left it out.
@@beyond72deepsoulfulhousemixesi also love Project CARS 2, despite the car list is only ¼ of the cars from FM8 (206 cars vs 600 in FM8). The game progression is amazing, the engine sound is great and also no microtransactions.
@@purwantiallan5089 Yeah there are a couple of classic cars I miss, but all the race cars having multiple liveries somewhat make up for it for me, there's always some immersion killing fan made liveries during forza races for me lol
The environment in FM is great but it has some strange rasterization technique where the light occlusion and global illumination are not working well. The car looks like a cartoon or toy like the car is being illuminated by LED lights at all times, and it looks specially strange in night or rainy races, when other cars are behind you at night, your car is like an ambulant star lol
Bad shaders and artists who think its fine as is. It looks exactly like Matte Finish paint jobs in Assetto Corsa. Its pretty bad. They need to update all those textures and shaders, but I doubt they will tho. Thats a lot of work.
@@socksonfeet8125even after Update 4, FM8 still never got things right...
Great video, That Nurburgring comparisons is hilarious 😂
I don’t even get that comparison lol
One detail I forgot to compare but noticed:
1- In PC2 when you rev up the car, the wipers switch and lights switch behind the wheel will vibrate.
2- Also, the faster you go, the greater the idle wipers' vibration like in Forza Motorsport 7 - I don't know why they removed this feature from the new FM when FM7 already had it.
EDIT: Cars and their windows in Forza do NOT get dirty based on the surface you drive on, rather they get gradually dirtier each lap completely ignoring what you've been driving over.
What graphic you are using in project cars 2
@@darkstars4695 Both games maxxed out 1440p
@@KonTurboR dawn pc2 look good
It's really embarrassing for fm 2023
@@darkstars4695Yet still bunch of people are defending it🤦🏻♂️ PC2 looks better... No words how big of an fail FM is.
Can we all just agree together that FM is an embarrasing racing title for 2023 and for the harware it was buil for and end all these comparisons. It makes me not wanna even launch the game anymore 😄 I just sold my TX-SW servo. Dont need it cause all the goodies are on ps5 allready and vr 😎
1:19
Just to be fair here, most racing games (not just Forza), reducing the damage model, because the car manufacturers is gotten strict into this kind of things
Just a fun fact
especially ferrari 👀
@@Leonardo_groeneveldPorsche, Lexus, Subaru, and McLaren also completely turned off damage in FM8.
honestly for damage models, unlicensed cars and full blown sims might be the future.
Codemasters:what did you say?
Project Cars is an excellent game in terms of car sounds, and the feeling of speed, the feeling of wildness of a racing car. rich emotions.
But all this was spoiled by the strange physics of the car.
project cars had decent potential but was thrown away in an instant
@@JB_CS There is a PC sim "Avtomobilista 2"
It has the same graphics and sound engine as in Project Cars, but with true physics.
@@supercharger5556true to some extent. The strange "force" that pulls your car one side then immediately catapults it in the opposite direction is still there.
@@aqeelslamang8305 Yeah I play Out Run from SEGA in 1986 and the cars stays at the same position stiff as an iron bar !, that feel of weight transfer. wow. weird !
Yeah the physics are very weird, specially when you're driving open wheelers. They understeer a lot but then they also snap. GT cars are pretty decent to drive once set up properly
Played project cars 2 for years and it’s amazing
The first game I bought when I got my xbox series s was project cars 1, but I didn't play it much 'cause I didn't have a wheel yet. Since when it was released, I played forza and enjoyed it a lot, then I bought my logitech and was curious to play project cars again and it was ridiculous how much forza felt like a toy compared to the love put by the developers on the first project cars. Hopefully i'm gonna try out pc2 very soon
I haven't had a wheel in years, but I do have project cars 1, would love to try that out on wheel, it's not easy controlling cars without messing with the controller settings, you need a lot of concentration controlling the cars.
Project Cars 2 is amazing.
FM8 disapointed me in every aspect
Same here
Project Cars 2 still a favorite of mine ❤ Rockin Roll 🏁
PC2 was ahead of it's time in terms of graphics and attention to detail, the physics were good but far from perfect, Forza is a mixed bag in graphics, a mixed bag in attention to detail and a mixed bag in physics, the definition of MID
Although the handling in PC2 is so...different ( 😉 ) I still choose it over Forza. The immersion is beyond comparison. On the top of that in PC2 I don't need "friends" to set up my own race lobby. I'm not sure if that changed in FM after patch 2.0. Only thing I miss in PC is livery customisation. And one more thing: I play on xbox, and use external hud app on the phone, and a button box. None of that can be used in Forza. To each their own. They're just games. Pozdro666
Project cars 2 still has one of the most advanced weather systems. Change my mind.
The graphics are a bit of a disappointment. Which is extra painful considering how much I played fm7 and how high of hopes I had for this
Only thing I didn't like about wet weather in PC2 is that the overspray coming off the car looks like the spray can effect in MS paint.
Don't forget to put project cars 2 against Turismo,project cars3,assets corsa, I racing, & any other car game. For a dated game project cars2 was one of the most complete racer at launch. Race ready all day. All racers hold there own when it comes to racing a different gMe & not the same. If all racing games was exactly the same we wouldn't have other titles just madden ooh I mean one racer. Think about what a variety looks like.
Looks like we need to wait for AC2... Meanwhile a good option is Automobilista 2, you can mod it adding Project Cars 2 cars and tracks as well.
Oh wow. How do you do this? That would be amazing.
I'm pissed with Forza, just got a 6750xt and it does not keep 60fps as well. Meanwhile I'm running FH5 at 90fps on extreme lol
I still play pc2 on ps4
We are living in the worst new generation of games, if they made a remaster of Project Cars 2, it would be the best racing game of the current generation
I like your choice of music, reminds me of Gran Turismo.
What's it called?
Link and name in the description.
I love project cars its a shame they wont be continuing it was the best racing sim on xbox in my opinion never got the chance to play pjc3 tho
Built from the ground up!!!!
Don't compare yourself to gt7 when you can't even beat a 2017 game
As soon as I saw the thumbnail, I already knew PC2 wins this comparison.
thanks for making this vid! i was hoping someone would. the physics in PC2 were "ok" but not ideal (thinking assetto corsa here). but what struck me about the game was just how stunningly good it looked and still does. seeing it next to FM8... well, MS/T10 should be ashamed at how poor it looks and sounds.
Hello, I have just started playing Project Cars (1) on Xbox One X and it is annoying because every ~5 minutes there is a screen freeze for a few seconds. The game continues in the background, I crash and I have to restart the race. Does anybody know the problem and could help me by solving the issue? Thanks in advance! Best regards
Interesting you cannot buy PCars 2 on PC anymore, I have the original but didn't realise 2 got deslisted.
How does 1 and 2 compare?
@@ryanblumenow PC1 has more cars on track (upto 60 compared to PC2's 30 or so)and in some aspects the graphics are slightly better ( in the rain for example) but supposedly they improved the handling/physics.
Not sure i buy that claim though as they both handle atrociously.
@@ryanblumenow 2 has Porsche and Ferrari, PC 1 DOESN'T.
@@Coxy-b34true , I’d say sunset is better as well, idk maybe it’s that 2015 feels for me ☠️☠️☠️☠️
Forza Motorsport is such a joke when you take into account all the promises and big words.
The only hope for sim-racing is basically Kunos with Assetto Corsa 2.
Eagerly waiting for AC2, although I've been waiting for a new sim-cade with progression such as Forza Motorsport and Gran Turismo, and this new Forza was just a disappointment (And my expectations were low already...)
@@KonTurboRGT7 ain't that great also.. Still I prefer Forza franchise.
Used to think the same until Forza 6 and Horizon 4. @@Flying-Fox19
Thanks 🙏🏾 I have same thoughts
Considering that there are 6 years between games, then PC2 win
FM 3-4-5-6-7 = developing = improving what we have
FM 8 = oh tripped and landed face first in the shit.
Do you think PC is without sin? PC 1-2 we develop, we make almost the best sim/simkadu and a bastard PC3 comes out = mobile phone with sim sauce
Disappointing innit.
Project cars and AC really make forza look like dung, AC is over a decade old now and PCs is getting up there in age as well.
this reminds me of the comparison of Dying Light 1 with Dying Light 2, DL2 was and still should be, inferior in many aspects than the first game
0:48 even the sky doesn't work correctly in Forza - stars are going in the wrong direction. It's hilarious to me :D
Yes, the skybox is wrong.
Project cars series(1 and 2 is release, 3 is not born for me) carries the spirit of GTR and Race series. Even the music is from the GTR 2 game. The gameplay is close to reality. Vehicles in the Asetto Corsa and Forza series turn from the car's middle. Not good feeling.
PC2 is 6 years old and last gen only. It shouldn't be this close.
0:23 This aged like milk
Feels although we have gone forward a console generation. We have also went back at the same time.
Forza is more simulated hands down, but GT7 is amazing, and probably the one id settle on.
I drive Le Sarthe yesterday in PC2 with a full 24-hour time cycle and 3 different weathers in just 30 minutes.
The FFB and bass shakers topped it all off... and with the nVidia App HDR filter and an RTX 4080, it looked AS good as Forza but ran at 180 fps.
Sorry, but nothing comes close.
Oh, and there's like 40 tracks, too.
Just needs a decent career mode.
.... Thanks to Codefuckers, the franchise died a death.
Even NFS SHIFT 1 2009 can do FAR BETTER than FORZA MOTORSPORT 8.
Had T10 not played this game up as the next big leap in Sim racing, they wouldn't be memes and mocked so hard. But as things stand, Forza is an absolute embarrasment, on every metric.
'GT4' Thats the goat
GT7 It was perfect, perfect
FM8 I mean its alright
Pc1 wooooooooooo
PC2 Thats the goat moving forward
PC2 is way better 😮💨😮💨
PS2*
@@KonTurboR ?
@@KonTurboRblud made a huge mistake
Compare it to Shift 2, it was SMS project before Project Cars and it still has way more detail in certain areas than the PC series and Forza or GT, it just has less cars than any of those games.
without any question PROJECT CARS 2 is the better dx11 old game still is better than forza trash
PC2 GOAT on Xbox
Grim, honestly. No attention to detail whatsoever
Obviously one of the two will look better one came out years later and is developed by one of the worlds most powerful companies LMAO.
This is a shame because its that game which looks worse.
The level of details of the two games are different in your comparison. I think your setup is not the same.
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Да shift 2009г и то круче смотрится.
Pc2 is so much better than forza not just graphically but in game play ans in player progression and in cohesive content
Built from the ground up................
Project cars 2 is hard in controller
how did they manage to make worse car models than in fh5? lol
Assetto Corsa modded put those games to shame.
Modded
Mods can make any game look better, mods makes a comparison invalid by default.
Where i can buy pc2 on PC,2023?
Delisted : ( you'll need to rely on key sites maybe.
@@KonTurboR ty,bro
Driveclub? NFS shift 2? Hello?
??? What about them
hahaha 0:26
Pc2 was literally unplayable on gamepad when i got it. As in it would not react to the input of the analogue stick thus i could never steer the car. Pc2 can suck my nuts i paid full price and its the only game ive never been able to play.
PC2 isn't really a game for Gamepad, it leans more towards simulation. PC3 did a better job on that.
The base consoles last gen couldn't handle it, it's much better on the new consoles. If you stick to the cockpit cam, have stability control on, it's fine on a pad.
Yeah gamepad it was horrible, however you can find settings from other people to make your gamepad experience much better, I’ve found some and it has made the game much more enjoyable.
@@worldwar1424 Bizarrely I found turning TC off or having it on low solved most of my issues. I would tune cars and think they're great but would spin out at the same corners, and I think it's the way TC works when you touch some curbs.
The problem with project cars 2 was the default setups were totally wrong in some areas and having the tires set to “automated by weather” almost always puts you on the wrong tires.
*Forza MotorSports Graphics to minimum VS Project Cars Graphics pushed to maximum. Be honest. I play FMS8 and it doesn't look shit like that.
You just admitted maxxed out Forza looks like ****** 🤭, does the old game really make Forza look that bad...?
It looks shit bro, I'm playing forza motorsport 8 maxed out on my RTX 4070, and it looks really bad. Especially when Ray Tracing is turned on, for some reason Ray Tracing makes it too blurry, and you can't really even see any raytracing except a bit better reflections on the car.
@@djordjestojkovic9381 that's abnormal cause I play on 4080 RTX full ultra and it looks great. Sometimes it even looks real. I was surprised when I started playing Fms8 cause I watched several gameplay ans reviews before buying and all of them showed things like in this video while it's not what I have on my screen everyday.
@@KonTurboR yes on your video it looks like absolute shit. But it actually looks very different on my pc.
@@AntiKolabo77 That's Forza Horizon 5 the copy you have then.
I love PC2 but this is the most disingenuous comparison I've ever seen, especially the FFB and "graphics" comparisons. You are either running on an HDD or are lying about the resolution/settings or letting DLSS/scaling do it's thing on weak hardware (specs?). That's not at ALL what my FM looks like and I may make a video of my own just to debunk this. There's enough nitpicking in the simcade/sim community as it is, it doesn't need to lie.
lol
@@KonTurboR you know it's true, otherwise you wouldnt have replied at all. I have my own bone to pick with FM but this is just shitty.
no really. FFB in PC2 is actually great no matter you use stock or 3rd party profiles, but that is if you know how to tune it right. I made a video on this in my channel and even stock FFB in PC2 is better than ACC. compared sidbe by side.
@@orsingaorsinga Road effects and kerb default to zero though in forza, you have to manually adjust the settings, it's not like they're not there. and pc2's 2D tire model is garbage compared to ACC and AC's ray tracing algo that maps the full tire surface. Also you should be comparing Forza to GT7 not racing sims, and PC2 barely sits in both, while Forza is actually playable as an arcade/controller game. The video to me just reeks of someone who's intentionally trying to make it look shitty, who doesnt know much about actual race sims and is doing some weird fanboy crowbcat shit. I do agree Im disappointed there's no VR and am probably gonna pick up a PS5 and VR2 just for GT7 because I've got hundreds of hours in PC2, AC, ACC, AM2, D2.0, D1.0, RSRBR and just want more of a "campaign" to do in VR.
Can't agree more@@Zarnubius this video here is a fanboy'd view. It is completely unneccesary to purposely pick the worst of FM8 and compare it with PC2... You don't get anything out of it apart from fake orgasm...
I misread what you said about FFB in your first comment. Funny FM8 keep it off while it tries to be a lot more hard core than what it was. As to my point in PC2 FFB vs ACC, I keep my opinion. When tuned properly, I found PC2 offers a rare rubbery feel in its FFB with more tyre jump details. ACC is very stiff and FFB response is very quick, but it is not offering the charm PC2 FFB has given me. But anyways it takes a knowledge of what PC2 FFB has done wrong at the first place to get it right. And most of people don't have a patience to bother after the first couple of laps.
Your forza looks like it’s in lowest quality 🤦♂️
Cope ruclips.net/user/shortsqaC_ReXUCSg?si=0TfdSFPIKmTBK81b
Projet car dois a fisica é pessima muito pior que o 1 por isso não consegui jogar O MELHOR jogo de carros até hoje é o FORZA MOTOR SPORT 6 O GRAFICO MAIS PERFEITO E BONITO DE TODOS OS JOGOS DE CORRIDA jogabilidade e fisica melhor FATO.
well to be fair you're picking some of the worst models in forza that were ported up all the way back from fm2 on purpose to make pc2 look better in contrast. Pcars look decent, but the lighting model is showing its age. everything looks kinda... fake. as does the forza cars lighting during the day. idk why they messed up that bad.
but FM is still a disappointment. i think horizon 5 looks far better in almost every way. And 6 years for this? inexcusable. This feels like an yearly release, and even for that it's a bit shit. Considering the age gap, forza should be better (graphically) at everything, and it clearly isn't.
As you mentioned, the 2023 game has models from all the way back to FM2 (and not really updated) hence a fair comparison, Not my problem!
That aside you are right; Horizon 5 is graphically well done compared to this and the 6 years are inexcusable, and Forza Motorsport 2023 newest models are actually fine and have cool modeled engines but more is to expect from such company as Turn 10.
Those models shouldnt exist in a game that was claimed to be "built from the ground up" in the first place.
Not really. It’s a good game with good physics and mp. Most of the models are new/accurate and the graphics are fine, just not “over saturated” like gt7 in some cases
@@fifteen8850 it's not a desaturarion issue tbh, goes beyond that.
@@fifteen8850 bro Microsoft isnt gonna give you any free shit, its ok to admit the game is hot garbage for a 2023 release
Project cars 2 was never a good looking game either, so sad forza looks this awful
Idk man, it was pretty Ight
If only they not messing up with Project Cars 3 🥲
PC2 🏌♀FM2023
Forza motorsports is a sim-cade racing game. I LOVE FORZA's ...but it was a major let down. Nothing like they claimed it was gonna be.
PC2 looks very dated but Forza is also extremely underwhelming graphically.