MASSIVE Tank Buffs! - Headshot Resist & Armor Rework
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- Опубликовано: 1 май 2024
- The Developer Blog just released announcing the midseason balance patch for season 10 and in it will be a series of improvements for the tank experience, in some ways to make them more reliably pressured, for instances where tanks do live forever, but otherwise ways to reduce the burst damage on tanks, the biggest improvement being a new 25% headshot resistance as well as an improved 50% knockback resist, up from 30%. If you enjoyed hte video please be sure to leave it a like and don't forget to subscribe and click the bell icon to actually get notified when our videos go live!
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With the crit resistance, Mauga can no longer just plop himself in front of the enemy tank and go BRRRRR, he actually has incentive to target squishies instead. Noice.
Although it did say “headshot damage” as opposed to “critical damage.” We’ll have to see if that applies to Mauga’s chain guns as well
this definitely needs clarification. if it's critical damage they just deleted mauga
@@agenttatsuoh nooooo, that would be terrible....
@@agenttatsu feature, not a bug.
@@Raman-jz8dzit will probably be all crits. I don't think the game differentiates headshots from other types of crits
Yes! That is the kind of buff I wanted for Junker Queen, not just the ult.
Love the percentage Hp gain and armor rollback. It was never fair that DPS and tanks would gain Hp back at the same rate. Also, tanks can’t get farmed by Tracer and Reaper (heroes that are very difficult for tanks to catch) as easily
I'll still farm with Tracer. You're crazy lol. The DPS passive still exists.
JUNKER QUEEN BUFF IS GONNA BE SO GOOD🔥🔥
I was saying this a while back how it’s sucks you can’t shout while charging the axe. I’ve died so many times cause she cants scream for some reason lol
Same it seemed dumb that you couldn’t do that
@@matissefilotto3138the speed boost as you’re going in for the swing will be huge too
Now we will have giga mauga, giga hog and giga sig. Damn.
People really dont understand that buffing all the tanks just makes it more miserable.
@@french_toast223It’s the worst approach.
@@fractalelf7760it's literally the only approach they have in 5v5
Siga Gig? Lol
@@french_toast223 You do realize that the tank ass were so bad? There's an incentive to play Rein now. Infact Rein got a major buff from this change. Maybe we should wait and see how this feel before we all start doomposting. I get this might be hard for you tho. 😟
I KNEW you were the roadhog in that Illios game! Love the content, glad we got to play a game.
5:04, "Test Drive" is in italics when I look at the Blog Post. Porsche Dva launching that day as well I assume.
Ball is going to be an absolute menace
I disagree, his health Regen might be nice so he'll never die, but the main issue with him isn't his ability damage. It's his pea shooter guns. They were already weak and then they went and buffed everyone's HP and now his guns are straight up awful
@@peterlucus2062nah ball is gonna be menace maybe not in low ranks (because he hard tank to use) but higher he gonna be annoying lol
@@peterlucus2062i mean ball was never meant to primarily use his guns anyway its all about his utility
@@nabi-red maybe so.
@@gobbagoo yes it is about utility. He is still able to self sustain and scout before a team fight, but he still needs to be able to assassinate the backline which is much harder now with the healing passive and higher HP, plus his guns are weak which I mentioned is his main issue
Wow. Now THESE are some good tank buffs.
It would be very rewarding if the health regen for Doom scaled off the overhealth gained through landing abilities 3:31
By the time the healing were to activate, would the overhealth have expired already?
@@MistaFinni I figure it would depend on the amount of overhealth gained. When hitting multiple enemies with slam + empowered punch+ meteor strike you can get a pretty large amount of overhealth. I could see it being tricky to scale the total health regen with the ever decreasing amount of overhealth gained though. However It would be a well-deserved reward further incentivizing landing abilities, especially in a version of OW where Tank Health regen enables more independent tank play and his knuckle pellets are nerfed.
It stacks with his ult though.
They're doing everything they can to avoid 6v6
thats why they took it out
Yeah it’s almost like the last game was 100% determined by tank synergies and every meta had a Tier 0 comp because of it
At least they’re doing good shit
Then they’ll put it back lmao
@@dashieldmasta177not true lol double shield was the result of the game being completely neglected while they focused on OW2. i climbed out of gold in 2017 playing dva hog w my friend be real
Ball having knockback resist is huge. But you'll have to maybe time it by going out of ball form. Because his physics are super wonky in ball form. Any sort of knockback will send him miles away in ball form.
Glad to see the devs finally revert the sloppy S9 ball damage nerfs.
Wait Balls damGe got nerfed in s9?
@@TSGC16 he means they finally buffing ball dmg with the s9 changes in mind
@@albertonichetti52 oh i see
@@TSGC16 yeah sorry if i was unclear. they scaled up the damage of melee abilities to match the new health pools but Fireball and Piledriver didn't receive damage compensation at the time. so an indirect nerf.
Finally covering the news again! Had me worried you were only gonna stream and do tierlists
Finally giving some love to tanks and non hitscan heros😢I am thankful
Looks like a come up for tanks, nice!
Did they just say they’re gonna buff echo…..
I haven't played take in like a year. Definitely gonna try it out again.
Buffing echo is crazy. She's already a really good pick rn
Its not a patch note without a useless/unneccessary change
I never understood why they changed armor, it had a purpose which was to mitigate high damage characters with low per instance damage. Then it was changed to a flat 30%.. which all it did was buff supports being able to heal that armor at the same rate as normal hp but it giving more effective hp. Rein having 400hp + 300 armor was an effective 790hp.. where is with the old armor system it depended on who was shooting you, vs a hanzo it would be closer to 710hp but vs Reaper it would be more like 1000hp. There are going to be some issues unless values are changed, like the Dva vs Winton matchup.. which has typically favored Dva, in the past but now will likely favor Winton to a nearly unfair degree especially with the headshot changes.
they changed it to make it easier to understand for new and existing players
Huge W for the changes to Wreaking ball and JQ. I am really excited to try them out, but I suspect that wreaking ball will still be countered! Hopefully the boop resistance helps a little bit!
They fucking this game up it’s hilarious how bad this game is getting
This is like the 20th bandaid on the broken arm
😂😢😂😢😂😢
we might be at the point where we have a tank like lucio's area of influence abilities. but what would be cool is if there are 3 spheres of influence like armor/^health/team fortify
The armor change might be a big learning curve for newer players, but I’m excited. I’ve missed old armor behavior.
How does any of this alleviate the tank counterpicking?
Doesn't making them even harder to kill mean that counterpicking is more of a necessity now? lol
dont forget: beams doe dmg over time wich means they will also be significantly weaker agaisnt armor. this might not be enough to stop zarya tho
So did everyone forget about that reaper rework they said they were working on???
Next season hopefully 🙏
no, i never forget their broken promises, they promised pve, a new workshop, changes to monetization, weapon inspect, more rewards in comp, i never forget
Mfw when they give Reaper dual-assault rifles:
Cause two shotguns are useless when there’s only one tank
The Dev response is directly in response to the latest SVB GROUP UP PODCAST
One key note is that armor is usually half or a quarter of someone's hp pool. Now tanks are gonna have that 25% dmg reduction against headshots regardless of their armor status.
Did yall miss the part where they're reverting the Ow2 armor changes back to the flat damage decrease above 10? So Tracer is gimped against tanks, Hog is gimped against tanks, and Reaper... well he was already terrible, but now he's even worse.
@jackmcmorrow9397 This doesn't nerf Hog it just makes him more focused on squishies and makes him stop shooting the tank more. If anything the knockback resistance and headshot damage reduction just buff him. As a Hog main, I approve of these changes!
@@BeastMode-bw2ry Yeah. Thats a nerf.
Good thing I don't go after tanks as Reaper.
@@ragerasse7616 "thank God i'm playing the character completely wrong."
@@jackmcmorrow9397 Why would I go after the tank when I can just go and flank a support and give my team the advantage in terms of heals?
Do you also happen to support a Sombra doing nothing but hacking the tank?
These are good changes, but they only really affect Tank vs non-tank match ups. Tanks counter picking other tanks will still be a problem. Like if Rein and Orisa get the same buffs, then the matchup hasn't changed, Orisa still shits on Rein
Look at everything they have to do just to make tank in 5v5 playable
Damn actual ball meta 😳
Decreasing headshot damage on the biggest hitboxes in the game, makes unbelievable sense and it is irritating that had not been changed until now.
Unfortunately, 50% resistance to knockbacks is missing the mark. Stuns, etc, comprise the majority of pain points for every Tank, meanwhile less mobile Tanks benefit disportionately from the more mobile ones.
The Health Passive change also seems like an oversight from its initial release than a "buff." Players already knew that heroes with less max health benefited significantly more, and for the rest the passive was near-nonexistence.
Also, please nerf Tanks. Tank heroes targeting the enemy Tank are the worst offenders for ruining the Tank experience.
Straight buffing Tanks, just makes the game more dependent on their output while also creating a co-dependence on focusing the enemy Tank, again, ruining the Tank experience.
@@treasuredquartzomg yes. Hog and mauga are boring to play against because they can farm the enemy tank and still get ult charge because of their mass healing. I hate the boop resist passive it’s worthless on many tanks and detrimental in certain situations. Hog ult is going to be more effective against tanks (when it was already the best tank busting ult.) Boops was not the tank problem it’s the stacking of cc specifically hard cc. Tanks only need a 25% resist to all cc effects and their durations. The cc is still effective when used properly but the tank can mitigate the cc if smart.
@@treasuredquartz 100%! Why don't more people see this? As long as tanks hold a disproportionate amount of the team's power budget, they will continue to eat all the burst damage and dirty CC tricks etc that the enemy team can muster, because the enemy team HAS to or the tank rolls them. And since the tank has so much of the team's power budget it also means the supports feel trapped in pocketing the tank and letting the dps on their team fend for themselves. It's not a great situation for anyone on the team. If tank players want to feel less like they are constantly being dogpiled, or the entire enemy team counter picks them, then they need to balance tanks so people don't feel like they NEED to do those things to deal with them. Wouldn't it feel better if each individual hero and role had equal relative power and so instead of just "use all your dirty tricks on the enemy tank," it was "figure out which enemy PLAYER is being most effective and counter THEM."
"Unfortunately, 50% resistance to knockbacks is missing the mark. Stuns, etc, comprise the majority of pain points for every Tank, meanwhile less mobile Tanks benefit disportionately from the more mobile ones."
The only knock back thats ever bothered me for tanks in junkrats. Not that I think junkrat is overpowered (quite the opposite), but holy fxck are those mines annoying. Even against tanks a mine knocks them around 10~ meters away (with the overall distance actually being higher since youre moving them along an arc over that 10 meters). A fully charged rocket punch from doomfist is 10 meters on a tank. Yet heres junkrat with 2 of those mines to ping pong ball your ass around.
But ya, its the disables. Constant disables. Hinder, hack, snares, sleep dart, stuns- Etc. Its not uncommon to go against 2-3~ disables on the enemy team *excluding* the enemy tank. Which of course all get dumped into the tank. Im not going to complain about the knock back resistance, but the disables are what need addressed.
@@AnimeOtaku56. "omg yes. Hog and mauga are boring to play against because they can farm the enemy tank and still get ult charge because of their mass healing."
Great news- Tanks like mauga and hog are going to have a harder time "Farming" the enemy tank.
A few points about these characters.
Hog could farm particular tanks because hed hook them in and then shoot them in the head. Now those headshots will do less damage. More so the armor changes will see hogs base damage further reduced against armored opponents (ie, predominantly tanks).
Mauga likewise will see his damage dropped a lot against enemy tanks. Maugas guns only do 4 damage per bullet. Hes going to see a straight 50% damage reduction against enemy tanks with armor, versus the 30 he sees currently to armor. And then of course we have his core gimmick/mechanic- Lighting people on fire with 1 gun, then doing crit damage to blazing targets with his other gun, because he leaches back a % of this damage as shielding. Well with criticals being reduced against tanks, hell be doing a lot less damage to tanks, and be generating a lot less health off them.
This is craaaazy so now we are just back to season 1
I do think on Heros like Rein and Winston, you can turn your head at least so the spread head shots are the unavoidable ones and those are the ones nerfed. Widow and hanzo can get jumped at least. Mei landing icicles might be a winner but doing less damage while slowing someone with armor might make it a net nerf vs tanks overall
Tank Synergies were like 90% of the fun of Overwatch... And they will do anything but admitting that 5v5 was a big mistake.
I still can't wrap my head around fact that overwatch 2 was a LITERAL DOWNGRADE to Overwatch 1, when it comes to features.
At this point, I feel like the majority of players - or at least a group so big that it cant be overlooked - would like 6v6 to return.
But they wont admit that the ONE MAJOR CHANGE they made, was a big mistake.
Before people start talking about ball meta, ball might be good but probably not like orisa or mauga good. Sombra + brig still essentially means ball doesnt exist, outside of minefield his damage still isnt all that good, but these buffs are very nice. He'll be better but probably still outclassed by dva, winston, doom, and possibly Rammatra as well
I can't remember how beams were affected by OW1 armor. If they aren't affected by the instance reduction, that means Symmetra will be even faster at melting tanks (assuming she's any good) 🤔
I do like this update overall, but I still feel my idea was mostly better. I think the biggest change i'm kind of liking is the Armor Change as from what I have seen the hero's getting nerfed verse armor actually were very annoying for tanks more then the hero's who are getting buffed.
The one who might become a major issue is Cassidy who did 70 damage body, 140 damage headshot (current patch is 49/98) , (post patch will be 65/97.5) so ends up being the same damage for a headshot but significantly buffed in a body shot. Making him able to melt players like Winston faster when diving in and then like normal headshotting as they leave or since the armor was shredded overall people can bodyshot normal damage.
But suprising many hero's actually have low pellet damage Ram Primary Fire, Wrecking Ball Cannons, Mauga, JQ Shotgun, Doom Shotgun, Roadhog Shotgun, and DVA will find it incredibly hard to burn through armor on tanks which is arguably most of the tanks or even squishies like Torb/Brig for the little they have.
Which brings us back to Torb specifically... his primary fire will be exactly the same as cassidy's pistol. making him another tank buster to dive attacks. Rivit Gun aka Shotgun will be nerfed
The shotgun however did 12.5 per pellet which is getting reduced to 7.5 per pellet lowering the impact shot to 75 from 125 which will be about 5 more damage then the primary fire so not quite worth it anymore when armor is active. Then in the head it will be 112.5 instead of prepatch 175. Which imo Torb was able to reduce tank hp extremely fast with rivit gun in peoples face.
Torb/Brig will be buffed quite a bit against hero's like Reaper, Tracer, Sombra at all anymore as he has quite a bit of armor. Those hero's will do 50% less damage instead of 30% now for the chunks of armor.
Pharah who actually can easily hit tanks so she'll be doing 115 damage per direct hit vs originally 84 so this could mean for some tanks 1-2 less shots to chunk out the armor. Since Torb/Brig don't have much armor to begin with this change doesn't really impact them. BUT she is getting a nerf to ultimate verse tanks since the damage per projectile is 10. So the armor chunks will be 50% reduced instead of 30%.
This actually sounds like a really good patch.
tanks are never going to die now
just give the tank a friend, they can be called off tank. and they can be friends
Holy hell how much can you DL? You have massive powerlifter traps.
Respect.
I have a feeling dive is coming back
Excited for these changes I can see why they returned the dps passive to 20%
We’re so back my fellow tanks
Just wait, there's always a catch that makes tank miserable. We can't have fun.
@@darcidious99that being the 20% healing reduction when being shot
So back to the most boring gameplay loop which is shooting the enemy tank. You can't be real 😂
@@mister_seas no with how tanky tanks are about to be that's gonna be less of an issue and may actually be what keeps tanks in check/killable, the biggest problem im seeing rn is the game just turning into a slugfest where its basically a repeat of mauga meta, where tanks are just unloading on each other and no one dies.
But I'll give the patch a chance, on paper this seems ok
tank was fine, y’all are bots
hope winston keeps his armor pen w/ his weapons
Weren’t the health changes in S9 meant to target burst damage? How does buffing burst damage via the armour change not increase TTK at lower ranks where they’re not even hitting headshots? How does it make chain CCs or Mauga mirrors any better?
Buffing Echo is just crazy
Oh yeah baby Rein mains back in town.
They need to make a change to hog that when hes taking a breather he can no longer be effected by enemy status effects (nade, head shots, knockback, etc) then completly reverts when he stops. That would make him meta, or just a tank
That would be way too broken. He already gets 50 percent dmg reduction during it ontop of healing.
He’s also already meta
Bro what??? He vape is already broken beyond fucking belief. You already pretty much require Ana to kill a hog with more than one brain cell
So these changes are coming May 14? Or are already here?
surprised you didn’t talk about how much the tank changes affect mauga, not only does the crit change lower his damage output on the enemy tank, but also the armor change is bad for his miniguns. i think this patch is good just for that reason 😂
Buffs for Echo??? Wtf why? Who thought she was weak?
😂 they can’t balance
they're so data driven with balance, they don't even know what's actually happening in the game
Probably some egirl that the Devs are simping for.
Another small quality of life change is that DPS can’t just milk as hardcore off tanks because their not doing as much damage to tanks with head shots. You can 1v1 a Zen as a tank and not get rolled
Why did no one else cover this yet?
Bandaid imo, they won't revert back to 6v6 until the very last resort.
zarya is going to be real fun now. i get why they nerfed orisa if all these tank changes were coming
Hey Freedo, hear me out. Rein has no cooldown on his firestrike, but the damage is halved. Whatcha think?
earlier i saw dps and support queues at 15+ minutes while tank was below 1....says alot
Honestly the q time estimates have been pretty inaccurate ever since the wide matchmaking update. My support was saying 15 minutes as well and I was getting 5-7 minute q times
@@WinstonOfDojima still even if they are wrong tank is never above that 1 min mark unless you are very high champ and even then. i used to be a tank player i just couldnt do it anymore and have many friends who feel the same
This should help my games feel better to some extent
Oh boy more Hanzo buffs! Everybody knows that Overwatch plays best when Hanzo is strong!
I would have much rather seen them remove or drastically reduce the DPS passive for Tanks rather than most of these changes. As a support player I can already see DPS players feeling like they have to play Sombra to deal with tanks. The sheer amount huge buffs without testing any of them with the public first. Also, I don't see how this solves the rock/paper/scissor counter swap problem, but I guess they don't see that as an issue.
Now if they could slightly lower tank walk speed and then slightly increase dps walk speed , and then place healers in the middle or where they currently are by default .
It would truly complete the roles feeling distinct
That would put rein in the dumpster. Everyone could just run away from him
This hurts a lot of tanks that wouldn't be a good change
@@code_Bread as they should but he has his charge so he can get in or close the gap if he wants
To those who deem this as negative I have counter argument. If you feel it’s unfair cuz it kills a tank you like then why isn’t it a concern for characters who pretty much have 0 mobility? How is that balanced? Ana can’t gain height but she is mid- long range
. She also can’t do much if she gets backlined. Sure dart is obvious go to but with a 16 sec cold down. Stopping one person will dart typically doesn’t do much especially when playing with randoms . So why is that acceptable ?
Soooo we go bastion?
"whatsgoinonguysitsfreedoherefor *your* overwatch"
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So wait, winston, gonna be be stronger, heck yeh
BALL IS BACK BABY!!!
Sigh… great.
Enjoy getting hacked, hindered, slept and respawning fellow baller!
Sombra will be locked in
@@french_toast223 Yup I have a new mission in life…
@@french_toast223 sombra doesn't hard counter ball anymore like she used to. She's a soft counter.
So if I'm getting this right:
Anyone doing less than 17 per pellet will notice a difference as they will be doing less damage to armored heroes. And if anyone is doing less than 50 per pellet will notice a difference as they will be doing less damage to armored heroes SPECIFCALLY ON HEADSHOT!
Here is my math equation for reference:
For body: x - 0.3x = x - 5
For headshot: x-0.30x = (x-5)-0.25x
If this is all done correctly, then heroes like Tracer will lose on both ends, Zen/Baptiste will win in body shots/lose to headshots, Cassidy will win on both ends
How does something like the headshot damage reduction not cause a world of balance problems? I mean some heroes are very reliant on it where others don't have it at all.
Winston is finna be cracked
If I had a dime for every armor rework…. That regen change though…
Is the Tank🛡Role Saved?🙏
no
Ball is gunna be a problem sheesh
These seem okay but I do think the armor change will still make tanks melt plus the dps passive effecting tanks is not good. They could’ve just made the dps passive not effect tanks and that would’ve went a long ways
This big change kinda brings tank busters in line? ... hopefully?? please???
I think Dva and Winston are biggest winners. Jq and Zarya also big winners.
Actually if you look at support roster, they don't have shotgun type of weapons. All supports will ignore armor now. That's big chunk 2/5 of the enemy team. Not sure how to feel about armor changes. Bastion, Reaper, Tracer, Sombra will do less damage sure but idk. Base 30% should have stayed for other type of weapons.
This seems to be a net nerf to Ramattra if i'm not missing something. Reaper wasn't a problem for Ram. Against bastion, you already block and reach dmg reduction cap so again no benefit but now all the ranged heroes will dump a lot of damage to you. Cassidy right click will delete you. Ram will also lose massive damage from staff.
Ah yes, spawn kills, *the height of sportsmanship*
Total rework for Rein NOW!
The game is just more fun when Rein is in the meta, I don’t care if it’s balanced or not
Makes it just more that the better tank wins.
Does this armor change affect Brig?
SIg low key power creeping
Everyone is talking here about tanks. But let's not forget that they are not the only ones with armor. We also have Brig, Torb & Bastion who will profit from that buff... And they feel tanky enough
Especially Reaper, Tracer and Sombra feel the effect. Of which two are already near garbage...
Ball should get less boop knock back, that's his biggest counter
Nah because with that line of thinking, you might as well give everyone some level of damage resistance, since taking dmg is a counter to every hero.
Characters need to not be resistant to everything that threatens them.
Ball gets screwed over by boops more than most heroes sometimes, but he can also easily boop every hero in the game himself.
I would rather have more stun resistance than knockback resistance. Also rein buffs
LE JEUNQUER QUEEN IS BACK ON THE MENU BOYS
this patch wont change tanks miserable play style because they did buff DMG role debuff back 20%,
reinharth is still worst than ball
less damage dealt = less heal needed 🤯😱
im not gonna lie this season i've been playing only dps ranked, with these changes ill grind the shit out of tank
What a mess.
Rein is back baby!
As someone. who plays ball, im happy!
25% Headshot nerf...hah, u think i hit headshots
Haven’t watched yet but my assumption is that buffing tanks and making them more impactful will just make the counter pick meta worse. Hope they address that
stealth buff to beam heroes?
60 hp per second regen. Immortal Ball incoming
Just Sombra him. Game over
Counterpicks?
I love playing tank but I feel so powerless lol I just wanna swing my hammer and not feel like a giant hitbox
damage reduction buff? I imagine Paladins with overwatch budget.