My father served in Cumberland in the early fifties when she was part of the Dartmouth Squadron, as a 5-year-old I was taken round the ship by one of the stokers. Every time I asked a question the answer was "look son one day you will be an officer, and you will not need to know fu*k all". I did, and he was right.
Same bloke detailed for port demolitions in 1940? I fully intend to have him make an appearance in See Adler, as discussed on Quora, but would like to make sure I've got the right name. Same as yours?
I always considered the Cumberland as a somewhat unlucky ship, when it came to finding action. Misses the battle of the River Plate by going to the Falklands for refit, races back and then the Graf Spee scuttles herself. Is an escort for PQ17 and then the convoy scatters and the larger warships pull back without the German surface fleet leaving port. And finally, in May 1945, she races to Malacca Strait to intercept the Haguro, but is too far away and the job gets done by the destroyers further ahead. Cumberland has the distinction to have been the ship that narrowly missed out on both the first and the last naval battle of the Second World War. That must have been frustrating for the crew. On the other hand, maybe they were happy to not get shot at.
For anyone who hasn't watched it, I highly recommend giving "Battle of the River Plate" a look. It's a really unique film that recreates the historic battle using all real ships, some of which were actually there, telling a lesser know but intriguing part of the war.
I remember the arrival of Cumberland at the Plate (in the film) and wondering where have the guns gone? Surely the studios could have found a few telegraph poles and some cans of grey paint? Did all the Leanders have that massive trunked single uptake?
This was great. The County Class of ships are one of my favorites. I’m looking forward to you doing a video on the whole class. -- Your doing a great job! Keep up the good work!
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My late Dad joined the Royal Marines on his 17th Birthday 25th April 1939. He joined his first posting HMS Cumberland in Vancouver, Canada just after WW2 was declared and missed the Battle of the River Plate thanks to the mechanical problem that kept her in the Falklands.
As ex navy of the 50's I remember quite a few of the old uns..like the Vanguard, the Cumberland..Devonshire Manxman...Illustrious (WW2 carrier I did d my training on) the Indifat..Indom....) heck we had more carriers than we have ships today!!
A bit of an odd ball Cumberland for all the reasons you described in detail. Yes to have missed the first and the last gunfights of the RN in WW2 was rather unfortunate for no fault on her part
The 'Counties' were fine, innovative ships and very likely an early and one of the few useful and genuinely well intentioned examples of the FFBNW (Fitted For But Not With) policy; due to the std displacement restrictions imposed by the Washington Treaty. Thus, by the time WW2 broke out, these previously only very modestly armoured vessels had quite quickly, easily and effectively somehow acquired 4.5" main armoured belts. Amazingly with no significant reduction in speed or endurance, increase in draft or loss of stability in consequence. 😁
Unfortunately, London's new superstructure and other changes overloaded the hull, resulting in cracks. Reinforcing the upper hull increased stress on the lower hull, causing further problems.
Interesting that she lasted 30 years and that was considered a long time. Yet modern ships such as the Type 42 and Type 23 will have had 35 years of active service.
The last 40 to 50 years have not seen much fundermental changes in ship technology or construction. Gas turbines and the change from swing arm to VLS missiles, been the biggest changes. As missiles and RADAR have not changed much. As in, all ships have many RADARs and use missiles as thier main weapon systems, with functionally no armour. Cumberland was constructed when there was still a lot of change and advancements going on. Gun tech changed a lot between the 1920s and the 1950s. As did engines and the introduction of radios and RADAR. Modern ships are forced to have long lives due to the sheer cost of them, them and the limited numbers produced. When in the 30s, a clean sheet design capital ship would take 5-10 years to hit the water. Its more like 20 for a modern ship. The disadvantage a modern ship has. Too many changes "add XYZ" happening due to changes at the top. Which causes so many redesigns and throwing away work already done. I believe one of the US shipyards does not even bid on waship contracts any more. Just due to the constant changes and having to rip out already done work in half built ships.
Handy ship to have around albeit the British did have 59 cruisers from all of what would be regarded as Commonwealth countries after 1951 as of September 1939. In addition to 38 submarines up against 57 German submarines if you can believe it or the equivalent of that term.
What was the reason for the cut down of the stern? Save tonnage? Since this area probably included the captain's port cabin it probably wasn't popular ;)
@@jasonmccaslin821 No. You are probably confusing her with HMS Canopus and the WW1 battle. Cumberland was self-refitting in Port Stanley at the time of the Plate, but made a considerable effort to get to Montevideo in support of Harwood's two light cruisers, arriving before the scuttling. Later in the war, in May, 1945, she accompanied the French battleship Richelieu as they pursued the Japanese heavy cruiser Haguro. In the event, Haguro was sunk by a destroyer flotilla, but subsequently it is claimed that an anonymous message was posted on Cumberland's Notice Board, which read :- Too late, For The Plate, Too Slow, For Haguro.
hms belfast anybody ? - decomissioned 1963 - still with us as a floating heritage museum in the pool of london - surely she qualifies as the last heavy cruiser ?
Cumberland's appearance changed during her career. She had a pre-ww2 refit which saw her fitted with a large aircraft hangar aft, and a further refit in August - October, 1943, which saw the same hangar removed before she joined the Eastern Fleet.
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My father served in Cumberland in the early fifties when she was part of the Dartmouth Squadron, as a 5-year-old I was taken round the ship by one of the stokers. Every time I asked a question the answer was "look son one day you will be an officer, and you will not need to know fu*k all". I did, and he was right.
Same bloke detailed for port demolitions in 1940? I fully intend to have him make an appearance in See Adler, as discussed on Quora, but would like to make sure I've got the right name. Same as yours?
I always considered the Cumberland as a somewhat unlucky ship, when it came to finding action. Misses the battle of the River Plate by going to the Falklands for refit, races back and then the Graf Spee scuttles herself.
Is an escort for PQ17 and then the convoy scatters and the larger warships pull back without the German surface fleet leaving port. And finally, in May 1945, she races to Malacca Strait to intercept the Haguro, but is too far away and the job gets done by the destroyers further ahead.
Cumberland has the distinction to have been the ship that narrowly missed out on both the first and the last naval battle of the Second World War.
That must have been frustrating for the crew. On the other hand, maybe they were happy to not get shot at.
I'd call that a lucky ship...
It was just timing, not for lack of trying, I real terms …a lucky ship.
Nice!! I remember that movie!! Gonna look it right now!! Thanks n as always "Keep it up"!!
Quite good looking ships with their raked funnels and masts.
The grafspee was better looking than this. 🛥🛥⛵️
For anyone who hasn't watched it, I highly recommend giving "Battle of the River Plate" a look. It's a really unique film that recreates the historic battle using all real ships, some of which were actually there, telling a lesser know but intriguing part of the war.
Only HMS Cumberland and HMNZS Achilles played as themselves.
And Cumberland lost all her 8 inch guns by that point to@@petershen6924
I remember the arrival of Cumberland at the Plate (in the film) and wondering where have the guns gone? Surely the studios could have found a few telegraph poles and some cans of grey paint? Did all the Leanders have that massive trunked single uptake?
This was great. The County Class of ships are one of my favorites. I’m looking forward to you doing a video on the whole class.
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Your doing a great job! Keep up the good work!
Very interesting topic, very interesting ship 🎉.
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Thank you excellent video
Very enjoyable. Thank you.
My late Dad joined the Royal Marines on his 17th Birthday 25th April 1939. He joined his first posting HMS Cumberland in Vancouver, Canada just after WW2 was declared and missed the Battle of the River Plate thanks to the mechanical problem that kept her in the Falklands.
good vid especialy that there isint a lot of information about those ships
As ex navy of the 50's I remember quite a few of the old uns..like the Vanguard, the Cumberland..Devonshire Manxman...Illustrious (WW2 carrier I did d my training on) the Indifat..Indom....) heck we had more carriers than we have ships today!!
I always thought the Vanguard was one of the most beautiful ships afloat.
That’s a lot of ship for under 10,000 tons!
Shame she was not turned into a museum ship
I have a few photos of Cumberland being scrapped in my collection I wish I knew a way to share them
Discord perhaps
@@coldwarchemical7857 does he have a discord?
Extremely elegant and handsome ships capable of maintaining high speed in heavy seas - the epitome of British cruiser design.
Norfolk, Suffolk proved it by tracking Bismarck from first encounter and Norfolk still th3re at sinking
Very interesting video!
A bit of an odd ball Cumberland for all the reasons you described in detail. Yes to have missed the first and the last gunfights of the RN in WW2 was rather unfortunate for no fault on her part
The 'Counties' were fine, innovative ships and very likely an early and one of the few useful and genuinely well intentioned examples of the FFBNW (Fitted For But Not With) policy; due to the std displacement restrictions imposed by the Washington Treaty. Thus, by the time WW2 broke out, these previously only very modestly armoured vessels had quite quickly, easily and effectively somehow acquired 4.5" main armoured belts. Amazingly with no significant reduction in speed or endurance, increase in draft or loss of stability in consequence. 😁
I would have thought the far more heavily modified HMS London would have lasted the longest
Unfortunately, London's new superstructure and other changes overloaded the hull, resulting in cracks. Reinforcing the upper hull increased stress on the lower hull, causing further problems.
Interesting that she lasted 30 years and that was considered a long time. Yet modern ships such as the Type 42 and Type 23 will have had 35 years of active service.
The last 40 to 50 years have not seen much fundermental changes in ship technology or construction. Gas turbines and the change from swing arm to VLS missiles, been the biggest changes. As missiles and RADAR have not changed much. As in, all ships have many RADARs and use missiles as thier main weapon systems, with functionally no armour.
Cumberland was constructed when there was still a lot of change and advancements going on. Gun tech changed a lot between the 1920s and the 1950s. As did engines and the introduction of radios and RADAR.
Modern ships are forced to have long lives due to the sheer cost of them, them and the limited numbers produced. When in the 30s, a clean sheet design capital ship would take 5-10 years to hit the water. Its more like 20 for a modern ship. The disadvantage a modern ship has. Too many changes "add XYZ" happening due to changes at the top. Which causes so many redesigns and throwing away work already done.
I believe one of the US shipyards does not even bid on waship contracts any more. Just due to the constant changes and having to rip out already done work in half built ships.
Handy ship to have around albeit the British did have 59 cruisers from all of what would be regarded as Commonwealth countries after 1951 as of September 1939. In addition to 38 submarines up against 57 German submarines if you can believe it or the equivalent of that term.
Recommend play at 1,5 to avoid drowsiness otherwise great
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What was the reason for the cut down of the stern? Save tonnage? Since this area probably included the captain's port cabin it probably wasn't popular ;)
Those were some very advanced ships for 1798.. 😅
I think that was photo 179 B
I think Cumberland missed the Graf Spee action actually because her chief engineer had a nervous breakdown.
Probably know this from a Drachinfinel video.🤔
@@jasonmccaslin821 No. You are probably confusing her with HMS Canopus and the WW1 battle. Cumberland was self-refitting in Port Stanley at the time of the Plate, but made a considerable effort to get to Montevideo in support of Harwood's two light cruisers, arriving before the scuttling.
Later in the war, in May, 1945, she accompanied the French battleship Richelieu as they pursued the Japanese heavy cruiser Haguro. In the event, Haguro was sunk by a destroyer flotilla, but subsequently it is claimed that an anonymous message was posted on Cumberland's Notice Board, which read :-
Too late,
For The Plate,
Too Slow,
For Haguro.
hms belfast anybody ? - decomissioned 1963 - still with us as a floating heritage museum in the pool of london - surely she qualifies as the last heavy cruiser ?
She carries 12 6” guns, and is therefore a light cruiser. The heavy cruisers carried 8” guns as their main battery.
I always thought Cumberland was a 4 stacker ?
One of the photos was labeled as the Exeter, not the Cumberland.
My grandfather served on her for some time during WW2, I will re read his papers.
Time 13:02 a random county class boat? Or was the aircraft hangar retractable?
Cumberland's appearance changed during her career. She had a pre-ww2 refit which saw her fitted with a large aircraft hangar aft, and a further refit in August - October, 1943, which saw the same hangar removed before she joined the Eastern Fleet.
@@dovetonsturdee7033 It didn’t come on and off and on and off again as depicted here though.
@@givenfirstnamefamilyfirstn3935 Photographs taken at different times and not shown sequentially.
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it's ww2...and all is well and there's peace and the easy cruisin'
British built treaty heavy colonial cruisers, only give up on the idea, no point, when you can build a fast battleship, that can do 30 knots