One of the best explanations of stretch and lengthened partials, and pointing out the limitations of the data and extrapolating it. It's easy to get caught up in social media polarisation of viewpoints and have straw man arguments thrown around that don't necessarily reflect what other people are actually saying.
This was great Steve. I'm happy to see the distinction between lengthened positions and stretch mediated hypertrophy. That was confounding a lot of us for a while. The evidence sure seems clear that getting lengthened positions into your training is good. What made me happy to hear, is that doesn't mean extreme stretching is needed to accomplish this, that was always my worry, having seem my share of stretching related injuries, which can be quite severe.
I'm unsure about only lengthened partials for back training. Firstly for the reasons, and also my own similar feelings as Mike mentions, where you get the "crunch" when you contract all the back muscles in a row. Also, now that I think of it, couldn't you say the back muscles are experiencing more tension in the shortened position, if contraction velocity is lowered? Lengthened partials in this case seem like choosing length over tension, which may not be the best. Maybe the best case scenario would be to have the most load in the stretched position, but still not skip out the shortened position completely. Maybe use equipment that allows you to emphasize the stretch, but still do the full rep. Or use a spotter, or maybe a bit of momentum.
as a person with hypermobile joints and connective tissue laxity I personally like to do full ROM from an orthopedic perspective! I have to be careful sometimes not to go a little too far on the lengthened side for some movements to prevent pain or possibly injury lolol
If I do full ROM it's usually when I'm cutting and not worried about maximizing growth. Lengthened partials as the base movements and full ROM as variations for when you exhaust lengthened partials, that's what I've leaned into.
Love the within subject designs we're getting on this, a critical addition to the literature to help us elucidate how useful this really is. Thanks for the great interviewing, Steve! Good stuff, Milo!
I think lengthened partials with moderate to light weight is a better choice since heavy weight (70%1RM+) risks injury -- I like this idea though to focus on that portion of the movement near failure
Can someone explain something to me, with all this lengthened partials wouldnt a db fly be a good movement? The movement is hardest at the longest part kinda like the preacher curl example Milo used
Lengthen partials, sound like full range of motion to me. Maybe come up for a better name for this. I think a video of an example or two would make this much more understandable.
Thank you for having me Steve! For more info on the three studies I described, I released a video on the topic yesterday. Go check it out! 🙏🏻
Thank you for your time - Steve
Hi, when multi hip machine will be published?
One of the best explanations of stretch and lengthened partials, and pointing out the limitations of the data and extrapolating it. It's easy to get caught up in social media polarisation of viewpoints and have straw man arguments thrown around that don't necessarily reflect what other people are actually saying.
I’ll stick with full ROM and finishing the last set with some lengthened partials, seems to be the best of both worlds.
This was great Steve. I'm happy to see the distinction between lengthened positions and stretch mediated hypertrophy. That was confounding a lot of us for a while.
The evidence sure seems clear that getting lengthened positions into your training is good. What made me happy to hear, is that doesn't mean extreme stretching is needed to accomplish this, that was always my worry, having seem my share of stretching related injuries, which can be quite severe.
Glad you enjoyed this Cole - Steve
I'm unsure about only lengthened partials for back training. Firstly for the reasons, and also my own similar feelings as Mike mentions, where you get the "crunch" when you contract all the back muscles in a row.
Also, now that I think of it, couldn't you say the back muscles are experiencing more tension in the shortened position, if contraction velocity is lowered? Lengthened partials in this case seem like choosing length over tension, which may not be the best.
Maybe the best case scenario would be to have the most load in the stretched position, but still not skip out the shortened position completely. Maybe use equipment that allows you to emphasize the stretch, but still do the full rep. Or use a spotter, or maybe a bit of momentum.
Steve, I don’t understand what you are saying you use to lengthen the position at 14:45. Can you please explain 🙏
This is gonna be good! 💯
as a person with hypermobile joints and connective tissue laxity I personally like to do full ROM from an orthopedic perspective! I have to be careful sometimes not to go a little too far on the lengthened side for some movements to prevent pain or possibly injury lolol
Makes sense, got to individualise there - Steve
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I was mislead by previous titled: "Strong Case For Full ROM"
I guessed you confused Milo and Mike))
Did the title change? - Steve
@@ReviveStronger , hm, maybe i confused something...
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"Full ROM caused more hypertrophy" is the thumbnail
If I do full ROM it's usually when I'm cutting and not worried about maximizing growth. Lengthened partials as the base movements and full ROM as variations for when you exhaust lengthened partials, that's what I've leaned into.
I have really started using lots of cable movements.
Love the within subject designs we're getting on this, a critical addition to the literature to help us elucidate how useful this really is. Thanks for the great interviewing, Steve! Good stuff, Milo!
thanks Steve
I like Milo, but he’s literally a cure for insomnia.
Great video. Does Revive Stronger do diet only coaching for recreational bodybuilders?
Typically it's both as they go hand in hand. - Steve
I think lengthened partials with moderate to light weight is a better choice since heavy weight (70%1RM+) risks injury -- I like this idea though to focus on that portion of the movement near failure
Can someone explain something to me, with all this lengthened partials wouldnt a db fly be a good movement? The movement is hardest at the longest part kinda like the preacher curl example Milo used
Yep it would be a good one. - Steve
Yep, dumbell flyes are already essentially a lengthened partial by default. Same with dumbell pullovers!
Milo is personally a big fan of dB flies too!
always a great pod when milo is on
Lengthen partials, sound like full range of motion to me. Maybe come up for a better name for this. I think a video of an example or two would make this much more understandable.