Finally someone querying the whole lengthened partial craze. Strongly agree with KH’s opinion on this. Reflects my own anecdotal experience. Superb balanced analysis of LPs. One point he noted that I’ve often thought (and mentioned to you Steve previously) is that the contracted position may be inferior for say the lats on a pulling exercise but work other muscle groups in the meantime. I feel like that point gets lost on the discussion at times. The LP movement has a tendency to treat compound movements like isolation movements. The beauty of a full RoM row is that it targets multiple back muscles. Not just those targeted by the lengthened part of the movement. Bicep exercises for example are very different and there I can see stronger arguments for LPs.
I often times hear people talking how kassem’s advice should be taken with a grain of salt. However, I believe this man thinks 10 steps ahead compared to the other fitness professionals which is why he’s misunderstood. There is a saying “people are afraid of what they don’t understand“ and it makes me think that all these people that criticise him, only do it because it highlights their own weaknesses ! Great conversation Steve !
When doing weighted pull ups skipping the shortened half of the concentric and focusing on the lengthened aspect helps me too get more reps with a weight that would otherwise been very fatiguing and also lets me use a greater weight but it’s exercise dependant of course and I’d still practice full rom
What I wanted to hear for a long time about the 52 sets thing. Because they rest shorter it's not equally stimulative. It also works for RP training. In the volume debate podcast about volume ramping I couldn't hear that they've talked about this. Because RP guys can increase volume a lot because they rest shorter (rest till you can do more than 5 reps thing) and as you can see from their training videos they're decreasing the weight as they increase the sets. If they would rest longer they could do with the same weights but could they or anyone do the same amount of sets, I don't think so, and even if they do, they would be sore very much more than if they would rest shorter. So amount of sets or their quality is very dependent on rest times, and also exercise, weight etc.
I wouldn’t necessarily say RP training is rest as little as possible until you can do more than 5 reps. They prescribe rest until you feel ready to do your next set. When I did my RP training. I had multiple sets at the same weight, the only thing that decreased was the amount of reps as I got more and more fatigued. Pyramid sets have been around for ages, it's just a different way to get volume in.
@1TieDye1 there is a lack of research on trained individuals yet people discussing the topic (heavy advocates) speak as if it's not the case. Fascicle length is often not measured as a proxy to determine SMH via sarcomerogenisis. Sarcomerogenesis by virtue of physiology is a fast and minimal adaption relative to CSA increaes. Any CSA increases seen in the distal portion of a muscle belly can still be achieved from normal full length ROM reps, without the additional fatigue costs associated with extra reps in the lengthened range. An approriate length-tension relationship is the determinant factor, along with leverage.
I wonder after a latpulldown the shoulder Depression function is far away from failure. I can do with more weight some Reps. Do you think this can be a game changer for lat and lower trap growth? Because nobody does this
I did this for quite a while and I don’t feel like I got much out of it tbh. That’s just my very subjective experience though. I think it is a good tool for getting better at pull ups though
Finally someone querying the whole lengthened partial craze. Strongly agree with KH’s opinion on this. Reflects my own anecdotal experience. Superb balanced analysis of LPs. One point he noted that I’ve often thought (and mentioned to you Steve previously) is that the contracted position may be inferior for say the lats on a pulling exercise but work other muscle groups in the meantime. I feel like that point gets lost on the discussion at times. The LP movement has a tendency to treat compound movements like isolation movements. The beauty of a full RoM row is that it targets multiple back muscles. Not just those targeted by the lengthened part of the movement. Bicep exercises for example are very different and there I can see stronger arguments for LPs.
I often times hear people talking how kassem’s advice should be taken with a grain of salt. However, I believe this man thinks 10 steps ahead compared to the other fitness professionals which is why he’s misunderstood. There is a saying “people are afraid of what they don’t understand“ and it makes me think that all these people that criticise him, only do it because it highlights their own weaknesses !
Great conversation Steve !
Great podcast. As usual.
When doing weighted pull ups skipping the shortened half of the concentric and focusing on the lengthened aspect helps me too get more reps with a weight that would otherwise been very fatiguing and also lets me use a greater weight but it’s exercise dependant of course and I’d still practice full rom
I’ve been waiting 🤩
What a great one!
What I wanted to hear for a long time about the 52 sets thing. Because they rest shorter it's not equally stimulative. It also works for RP training. In the volume debate podcast about volume ramping I couldn't hear that they've talked about this. Because RP guys can increase volume a lot because they rest shorter (rest till you can do more than 5 reps thing) and as you can see from their training videos they're decreasing the weight as they increase the sets. If they would rest longer they could do with the same weights but could they or anyone do the same amount of sets, I don't think so, and even if they do, they would be sore very much more than if they would rest shorter. So amount of sets or their quality is very dependent on rest times, and also exercise, weight etc.
I wouldn’t necessarily say RP training is rest as little as possible until you can do more than 5 reps. They prescribe rest until you feel ready to do your next set. When I did my RP training. I had multiple sets at the same weight, the only thing that decreased was the amount of reps as I got more and more fatigued.
Pyramid sets have been around for ages, it's just a different way to get volume in.
@@tgo6996 actually that's what they're saying in their books and online. But they say that there are other things to consider too
Ahh im 44 and still waiting to become mentally 40+ 😅 when does it happen?
Haha don't do it - the mind controls the body, so being mentally young helps slow the physical aging... fingers crossed that that's true 😂
I'm so tired of the word 'lengthened partials'. At least in this podcast they place some questions around it.
Cureently the most over-hyped and scientifically undersupported training principle in fitness right now.....
Yes yes yes. 100 % agree.
@@angvolwhy do you think so?
@1TieDye1 there is a lack of research on trained individuals yet people discussing the topic (heavy advocates) speak as if it's not the case. Fascicle length is often not measured as a proxy to determine SMH via sarcomerogenisis. Sarcomerogenesis by virtue of physiology is a fast and minimal adaption relative to CSA increaes. Any CSA increases seen in the distal portion of a muscle belly can still be achieved from normal full length ROM reps, without the additional fatigue costs associated with extra reps in the lengthened range. An approriate length-tension relationship is the determinant factor, along with leverage.
I wonder after a latpulldown the shoulder Depression function is far away from failure. I can do with more weight some Reps. Do you think this can be a game changer for lat and lower trap growth? Because nobody does this
Quite a few people do that, but mostly with rows though.
I did this for quite a while and I don’t feel like I got much out of it tbh. That’s just my very subjective experience though. I think it is a good tool for getting better at pull ups though
Hey whats your thoughts on dileucine peptide?
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