5 Things I HATE about the Stark Varg Electric Dirtbike
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
- 5 Things I HATE about the Stark Varg Electric Dirtbike
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The hour meter over estimation is a huge issue they need to correct if that’s the case. When selling these used, people will be paying close attention to the amount of hours on them, and if it’s not accurate that is not good at all.
Like your straightforward approach - I'm a trail rider. can't imagine taking that bike out on a long ride and worrying about battery charge.
Even at the track, seems like you would want a couple batteries.
Great feedback. Nothing like honesty.
10..27.23 All valid points and suggestions.
You also feel the weight when braking hard to enter for exemple an inside corner.
Un-sprung weight is why they use the red tubes, at least that's what I think. That weight there makes a HUGE difference.
Keeping cost down..
yeah I'm debating Should I get a new Yamaha 450 or a varg, but my main worry is parts / labor/ reliability availability. I know electric is better (from what I've heard) but is it better to wait for a newer model / wait for them to iron out all the faults with the bike given that it's a brand new segment , you know they're going to get better. The question I'm asking myself is, should I wait..
A lot of people have problems popping the tires. Also, a few people have issues with the seat, and as you stated, + stand, phone ,not to mention the charge port that not too many people have. But also my main concern is reliability we don't really know how long the batteries will last and if something happens to the electric motor how can it be fixed and how expensive will that be. Get my drift?
On the contrary a Honda 450 for example is a good solid bike but there's also a lot of moving parts that can go wrong but at the same time a lot of people can fix them at a reasonable cost + a ocean of Parts everywhere And we know those bikes can last for ages since the varg is brand new we don't know how long /how many years it can still perform at the same rate as out of the box / battery life. Also wondering if the batteries can be replaced and at what cost..
Sorry for the long reply. I'm just trying to figure this out as it does cost a lot of money. I respect your opinions and videos..
Maybe a good segment for your next video? LOL, I appreciate you, man! Keep up the good work!
Thank you for the feedback dude. I decided to not get this bike after months of research & watching videos & ended up going with a 2024 250sx . I'll wait another 5 years until they perfect the technology and move away from lithium ion & maybe introduce solid state batteries into bikes. The weight needs to be shaved down as well as the other stuff you mentioned. A speaker that emulates a gas sound would be nice too 🤣 but we'll see where these bikes are in a few years.
I don't disagree with some of your points at all. Thanks for the kind words dude!
As an older individual, waiting five years is an expensive proposition of your life.
@@timking2822 honestly man, it might be sooner than that, maybe one or two. But i see what you mean haha fortunately I'm only 26
Interested what these will be...
Counting the minutes 👍
Hope you enjoy!
I wanna know how many charges I can get out of the battery before I need to spend $8,000 for a new one
Yea, 260lbs is about 45lbs heavy.
But so am I, and I got my YZ250 suspension working well. :)
Those tubes look exactly like some TuboLito tubes they use for mountain bikes. They should be stronger but much lighter than normal mtb tubes are.
Hill in his video had the stark on an open fast track at 50hp and the bike only lasted to 20 minutes.. just like RC cars they get hot and shut down to a very low percentage. That’s what I predicted when they were talking about these. I have RC buggy’s and have friends that race them. Motors shut down, batteries have to cool down before charging and the more they get charged the less they start holding. Plus an extra battery will cost a lot.
It was 55hp and you are talking about one of the fastest guys around to toss a leg over a bike. He also rode it for 1 hour and 15 min at 80 hp at his house. Hill could also probably take a completely factory bike to that same track and make it show some problems. Unless you plan on riding like him I don’t see the issue.
@@tylerlusk5194 sorry but the point is 50 or 55hp isn’t shit! And he wasn’t beating the crap out of it. Also the fact the track was hard packed. If you ever rode or raced a deep till by a lily you would understand the power it robs from the bike. So imagine the electric bike in that wouldn’t last long at all.
@@mxr248I'm big into rc racing and haven't ever had this issue and what kind of racer has to wait for a battery to cool down?? I have never been racing where everyone didn't have multiple batteries. I also have e-bikes and have put a 3 thousands miles on it and the total capacity and health has only dropped 1 percent. You must be using cheaper motors escs and batteries in your rc stuff. Even my 14s 700 3d heli batteries only get a warm after putting it through hell . Lol but if I thought cheaper batteries in it they will overheat because of lower discharge rate..
@@rickywoods3101 well I go with what the shop says and all the guys that have been racing these RC cars. Those batteries do not last years nor do car batteries that are not running the engine. Plus do you have any idea what a stark battery cost? Also battery powered vehicles have you prices their batteries? They cost more than a motor! Plus the fact they can’t go hardly anywhere in the cold.. so I don’t see the point paying $13,000 for a electric motocross bike ride for a bit then sit for a long time and wait for a battery to charge. Cause to buy a spare is going to cost you thousands. Now figure thousand in gas will go further and less waiting time. 🙄
This is why I will wait for the new electric Honda.
Amen to to phone nonsense ; last thing I'm needing to interact with while thrashing me EV MX bike on a Sunday afternoon .
Or one of the two - strokes for that matter ...
Thank you for some negative feedback. I know its a good bike and probably the best performer out there. But most of the content is just all about the good stuff. Thank you.
Appreciate those kind words man!
One of the first things I said when testing it and hearing the price is: "They should bring out a version without the smartphone and a simple battery percentage display instead and make it that much cheaper". Maybe they will at some point... at the moment although I LOVED the way it rides but it's just too dear
$200.00 cheaper.
Everything they are doing with the phone and the app could be done with a micro-controller, just like every other manufacturer. The direction with using a phone, IMO, was a mistake.
@@jandrews377 I tend to agree. The phone is only prone to get damaged, even tho they did their best to encase it. As you said, a microcontroller would've done the job and maybe made the bike a BIT cheaper
I will not touch one of these bikes for about 5 years till they get some of those bugs worked out
Fair
I guess time will tell but have we seen anything yet from Stark Futures on an estimated cost of ownership after say - 3 years? Do we know what the life expectancy is for the battery or other electrical components - looks like the warranty is 2 years? The Stark Varg website lists a replacement battery cost of nearly $7,000. Other electrical parts are pretty expensive as well - the inverter is $1,500. So if I buy a new Stark Varg at $14,000 and within 3 years need to replace the battery the cost of ownership is $21,000 (not including any other parts replacements). That’s nearly 2 gas bikes. Trying to sell this to my wife (who is an accountant) 😁
I looked over the updated user manual and Battery Lifespan is 500 hours.
So at the end of the day do you prefer Electric or gas?
I prefer electric for motocross, it just makes sense.
@mxgryan (question) yeah I'm debating Should I get a new Yamaha 450 or a varg, but my main worry is parts / labor/ reliability availability. I know electric is better (from what I've heard) but is it better to wait for a newer model / wait for them to iron out all the faults with the bike given that it's a brand new segment , you know they're going to get better. The question I'm asking myself is, should I wait..
A lot of people have problems popping the tires. Also, a few people have issues with the seat, and as you stated, + stand, phone ,not to mention the charge port that not too many people have. But also my main concern is reliability we don't really know how long the batteries will last and if something happens to the electric motor how can it be fixed and how expensive will that be. Get my drift?
On the contrary a Honda 450 for example is a good solid bike but there's also a lot of moving parts that can go wrong but at the same time a lot of people can fix them at a reasonable cost + a ocean of Parts everywhere And we know those bikes can last for ages since the varg is brand new we don't know how long /how many years it can still perform at the same rate as out of the box / battery life. Also wondering if the batteries can be replaced and at what cost..
Sorry for the long reply. I'm just trying to figure this out as it does cost a lot of money. I respect your opinions and videos..
Maybe a good segment for your next video? LOL, I appreciate you, man! Keep up the good work!
Another question I know they don't have air filters per se but isn't there a filter for the battery?
those tubes are silliest.
You can go at this bike 47hp and you have %100 and cut 30miles ???
I am not about electric bikes because i know they come from government EPA force. But if you must buy one with out thinking about that, since Honda has shown theirs, I would get the Honda over the Varg. Why? Much higher probability you will get service and parts after a couple years. I don't expect Varg to last longer than that.
Are you a betting man? :)
Amen. Despise the phone
You'll hate it even more when its an expensive paper weight in 3 years.
Yeah....like all my other hundreds of electrical toys that are useless in 3 years? Get a life.
@@mxgryan Not to get in between you guy's friendship, but I think he makes a pretty high probable point. If the experiment of Varg does not make it, a lack of parts can park yours in a corner. I like to play it safe and keep it simple with stuff like this. Never get involved with a government experiment.
@@EarthSurferUSAtruth
@@EarthSurferUSA a lack of parts with ANYTHING can park something in a corner. and a Stark Varg is not a government experiment.
These guys track your location and can remote access your bike
Fine with me.
@@mxgryan I wish the worst for those things honestly. 15k$s, software paywalling power and features, tracking your location and data. Terrible direction for the industry to head
Enough that I wouldn't buy one of these.
That's your loss.
@@mxgryan Not a loss a gain.
@@timothykamholz7222 no.
Duh!!! It's electric....
Better do that top end soon.
@@mdanielswv42stupid comment. Considering wait till you have to buy a battery it will cost more than a top end by far.. also Hill in his video the bike was at 50hp and couldn’t last 20 minutes on a open out track! Over heating and battery loss.
There is a varg snowbike video. It's a disappointment, battery is not up to the task.
@mxr248 just a comment about the bike showing 40hrs and only has 20hrs. I didnt get in the gas vs electric debate you somehow just put me in. Neither have I ever done a top end at 40hrs on my 4strokes. I did however spin some laps on this Stark and really enjoyed it on the mx track thats all hope you have a good day.
@@mdanielswv42 well you made it sound like it was better with electric vs motor cause of your comment. So sorry
They need to stop with these dumb electric garbage.
No, they need to ramp it up.
@@mxgryan no
@@davidbeauvais1364 yes
Yeah stop on something that’s a growth area for the sport. That make’s perfect sense 🤦🏻♂🤦🏻♂🤦🏻♂🤦🏻♂🤦🏻♂Oh that’s also an additional choice being built by consumer demand 🤦🏻♂Real garbage😂😂😂😂
@@davidbeauvais1364 You are so intelligent on your description of why they are garbage. 😂😂😂😂😂🤦🏻♂
I hate one thing about it only. It is not a product of free enterprise. It is a product of government force over the dirt bike industry.
This is what communism looks like today. That is what I hate about it.
You should too.
Lmfao, which govt agency is forcing the Swedes to build electric bikes for us? Which agency took your gas bike away?
There isn't anything I don't like about my 2 stroke beast. I will always stick with gas power
Theres tons of things I dont like about my 2 strokes.
@@mxgryan but there are tons of things I do
That’s why there are choices. If people don’t want all the added benefits that’s the choice of the consumer