A couple of things I've learned about the Daleks: When there's just one, look out, because it's going to be a nearly unstoppable force. If there is an army of Daleks, you can defeat one with basically whatever happens to be laying around at the time. Also, their death ray deals the same amount of damage to all materials, whether it be a 5ft reinforce door made of futuristic space metal, or a 2 cm thick aluminum garage door, as they are powered by drama.
The person is smart, people are stupid. The Dalek is nearly unstoppable, the Daleks are repeatedly defeated. It’s an excellent argument for personal sovereignty.
What makes Cyberwoman even more egregious is that they actually show Dr Tanizaki's failed conversion and it is absolutely grotesque. They could have done something similar with Lisa but chose to go purely for sex appeal. In fact, I'd argue the episode would have been much stronger if Lisa's conversion was less... glamorous. Ianto's struggle to save her would have felt much more powerful if we could see that she was clearly too far gone, as opposed to her just being a regular woman in a metal bikini.
@@pikachucetthesecond4296 Completelty agree with this. I didnt get one with early Torchwood because the sales pitch was "Doctor Who, for grown ups" but in real ity Doctor who was far more grown up most of the time. Torchwood was what a horny and paricularly immature 13 year old would think of as grown up. The cyberwoman episode was where i switched off completely (and didnt come back until Children of Earth...). How they could get it so wrong was .. cringe inducing. You have the concept "a Cyberman episode with the gloves off"... no more family friendly constraints. No more sugar coating it. You could really do something different with it, explore the body horror and pyschological impact... It could have been Tetsuo meets Species.. instead we get a something that Heavy Metal would have rejected as too immature...
The fact that 'Cyberwoman' is the only instance of Torchwood using a villain from its parent show, and the fact that out of all of the Doctor Who villains the Cybermen are perfect for a darker/less family friendly deconstruction of the ideas they represent (think of stuff like World Enough and Time and Big Finish's Spare Parts and how dark they get in order to communicate the horror of the Cybermen concept). And how it's all just wasted, in favour of teenage boy horniness.
Agreed. That episode was stupid! 😒 The moon being a giant egg? Fine. But growing in mass to six times what it was? That's not how eggs work! And the way the moon dragon leaves behind another moon immediately after hatching was utterly absurd. As if a hatchling would be both sexually mature _and_ pregnant! I wonder if the writer of that episode went on to help with the blockbuster movie Moonfall...?
@@goldcrest2518So, telescopic pregnancies are a thing, such as in aphids, but why Moffatt decided to write a pro-life episode of Doctor Who baffles me.
I like the idea of it since there is a myth about the moon being an egg but the execution felt rushed like it should have been two episodes and just didn’t work.
One of the most WTF moments for me was in the very first episode of NuWho Rose. Mickey gets ‘eaten’ by a bin, which then replicates him as a very obviously plastic replacement, and Rose apparently can’t tell the difference???? WTF!!!! Granted it’s the first episode of a new series which is finding its feet, with limited budget, but even still. Really?? 😂
I interpret that as Plastic!Micky being very obviously plastic as just a way to show to audiences - especially kids - that he's the evil duplicate. In universe I imagine he looked actually identical.
@@mgthestrange9098 Possibly straight after she had gotten into the car, yes. But that was during the day, when she is having the meal with Plickey it was night time, so she had had hours to notice and never did
Gotta be honest, but I do not understand why they are so harsh with Wild Blue Yonder. I understand not liking the giant Doctor-Donna-Not-Thing moment, I understand the contortion thing being weird too, but to go and question the fact that these creatures really pos a threat to the universe? Of course they do! One of them basically became the Doctor, but evil. Does that alone doesn't scream threat to you? Because they are even more.
I'm baffled as well. In the grand scheme of Who... I think the effects are really good. And since when has a bit goofy been an issue? The episode already has some of the best dramatic moments of new who.
It walks a very fine line that out of context could have been silly. I think what really sells the effects is the writing and the superb acting. For me it worked.
It suffers because the technology wasn't there yet to deliver the visuals. But I think it belongs to something other than this list. Especially since Eleven's run suffers from a lot of creepy sexualisation from The Doctor (from Amy and towards Clara.) The writing for the 11th Doctor comes across as Moffat writing his own self-insert with a female character who lusts for him and then a female character to lust for. I'm ignoring River because Moffat seems to be only able to write straight and strong women as sexually confident. If the female character isn't strong and sexual, then she's gay and written "like a male character".
She's just a huge Matt Smith fangirl, so she basically hates both Tennant and Capaldi. Whenever there's a chance to whine or be a bitch about those two, she'll be the first on the task.
I thought blue yonder was honestly the best episode of the three specials. Didn't really have any problems with the reality bending monsters and thought their special effects were done fairly ok.
I have to say, I loved Lisa! She was my first toy from the dr who exhibit when I was 11, fell in love with the idea that worlds collide with dr who and torchwood! Absolute icon, the seven of nine of torchwood, too much for people to handle 😭
6:30 I've worked catering for the BBC and this scene with the family would've been shot in a real house. Meaning it was a whole day of production, catering and filming, all on location for that family scene. So it's a bigger waste than u think.
Fun list, especially since you’re so correct on how they each didn’t make much sense even for a show like Dr. Who, where the audience is encouraged to suspend belief in order to enjoy the show .. you know, fantasy Sci Fi.. which I love.
There's also the _"Now they'll see the real you"_ moment in which the Doctor reveals the fact that the Master is brown to the Nazis in the middle of World War 2. Chibnall what the fuck.
@@--Animal-- his explanation was "Africa division" or something like that lol I mean there weren't SS africans but it's doctor who alien invasions havnt actually happened so I don't care much about a change in established history because it's a different universe but I'd rather it be something to play on the masters powers of hypnosis or something sci-fi rather than that ya know
The skirt that's a little too tight line, I think, was the Doctor's realization that he liked Clara a little too much for his own good. He kind of reiterates this when he becomes Twelve and says "I'm not your boyfriend, Clara" C: "I never said that you were" 12: "I never said it was your fault" I mean, cringe at the line all you like, but as far as long term story telling goes...it ties back into the story
I just don't get the hatred for this line. I just don't get the hatred for this episode, at all. It's just funny and as you pointed out, it's the realization of the fact that he likes Clara, a little hi 89bit too much. Neil Gaimen was honoured to write a Cyberman episode. Warrick Davis was thrilled to be in a Cyberman episode. Okay, the Cybermen 'upgrade in progress' is a tad annoying but no worse than the reasonless quick zombies from 28 Days Later. The scene where the Doctor is fighting the Cyber Controller is amazing. I don't even think that Clara's charges are as irritating as people imagine. I love this episode so very much.
@@official3ird Those 6 episodes, or was it 7 with Matt Smith & Jenna Coleman? Were, for me, the closest thing to perfection that new Who ever produced. Now, I'm completely with you. Their chemistry was amazing. Her preppy frocks were just a wee bit tight & boy, didn't they look fab on her? (Yeah, I'm an 'ikky b**ch') Oh, I really wish Matt had stayed on for another series with Jenna. They were amazing together.
@StevieZala definitely had the best chemistry since the Doctor & Donna. Matt Smith for a full season with Jenna would've been the best. And yes, she's extremely appealing lol
The first New Who Master story was great. When I watched the scene where the Doctor was made an old man it hit me emotionally especially as he looked on at the destruction. When aged even further I felt very sorry for him. The nothings in the wild blue yonder felt terrifying, menacing and a threat.
I think there was a lot of potential there, the story was good, but the special effects, as they so often do, made a lot of it feel very cartoony instead of scary. I think they went overboard with the body shifting elements. The first time I saw their arms elongate and drop the floor with huge hands I couldn't stop laughing for about a minute.
I.....didn't see the Kablam episode as pivoting to "anti-worker". If anything it highlighted the extreme levels of desperation that the way corporations treat their employees can drive the employees to.
@TheBlackcredo a LOT. For the sake of not writing an essay, the biggest issue is that it was never actually resolved. Almost everything in the universe was destroyed, and nothing ever came of it. Thank god Russel at least addressed a few unanswered questions in wild blue yonder, but even after that, this insanely powerful event that wiped out almost all of the universe never gets mentioned again by anyone. Not to mention the debacle with the fobwatch and tecteun which both also never get resolved and I think it's safe to say never will get resolved. Also apparently time is an entity now? That also never gets brought up or has consequences ever again. The flux feels like it was a brainstorming session at 3am and then none of the ideas from it were developed at all.
I think a few of these “this was too silly” moments on this list should be replaced with more problematic scenes, the show is meant to be silly it’s weird to complain about things like the Not Things’ contortion or boomer “no wifi” jokes when scenes like Amy trying to SA the Doctor behind her fiancé’s back on their wedding night exist.
The expanding aliens at the edge of the universe is spot on. They made themselves bigger to become faster, longer stride, faster movement. They’re still learning about physical form. They didn’t realize the point of diminishing return, where they became too big to move in the corridor. There is no problem with that scene. I can’t understand how two people as smart as Ellie and Sean can’t see that. As for the Doctor with his head up his-- between his legs, it almost looked like it was ripped right out of the dodgy yet scary claymation from the movie Dreamscape. It was supposed to be scary/creepy. That i can understand people not liking.
“Waters of the Deep” was one of the first episodes of Doctor Who that I ever saw. The absurd karate scene had me in stitches, and is one of the reasons I continued watching the show. (Which only aired at midnight on Saturdays where I am from back then)
Chibnall's first series was way too politically correct, too many same sex relationships and way too historical, series 12 was better and bought back older villains, flux/series 13 was very well done considering the constraints from COVID, and the 2022 specials were amazing, especially Eve of the Daleks and The Power of the Doctor, the legend of the Sea devils was lackluster, too edited with essential scenes cut out
@@--Animal--you should pay attention to the commas separating the points they’re making instead of mashing two of them together and going “ HuR DuR hIstOrY PC nOW!?”
@@jakesinclair69420Truthfully, Series 11 wasn’t political at all. It used a lot of political buzzwords and tried to wear a mask of leftism, in some weird attempt to connect with a younger, more left-leaning audience, but that’s all it was, an EXTREMELY superficial mask. Chibnal’s writing was dangerously right-wing while pretending to be politically correct, which only served to drive away the audience it was supposed to appeal to. Leftists see through the tokenism, and Doctor Who fans are used to the real left-wing stories and messages from the RTD era, we know what depth looks like and we’re not gonna settle for superficial. Midnight alone was far more political than Chibnal’s entire run, with a genuine political message about how fear of the unknown can be used as a weapon that drives even the smartest people to destroy themselves from the inside. The deepest message Chibnal’s ever politically written is “gay people exist” and “racism is bad”. That’s not political, that’s just shit writing pretending to be political.
I am not sure if this is a WTF moment, but that one scene with the christmas episode and the big spider woman thing and her screaming MYY CHILDRENNNN really got me.
I think Timeless Child, people got so weird and insane about it, like it people got mad at you ;don't like it people go mad at you. Even thinking nothing of it, mad at you. I can see why you would not put it on the list , which is why I think it is number one, as no other time did people have such strong feelings over something in the show past and now.
You missed two of my biggest cringe moments, firstly John Pertwee being eaten by an inflatable plastic chair in Terror Of The Ortons where he's clearly just falling about pulling the chair round himself, and the biggest cringe of them all was Amy trying to kiss Matt Smith's Doctor at the end of Flesh And Stone
Totally agree, except it wasn't Pertwee who got eaten by the chair, it was the executive who worked for Rex Farrell. Pertwee almost gets strangled by the phone cord.
What about that scene in The Star Beast where new Rose and Donna basically say that they know everything and The Doctor knows nothing because he's male-presenting?
To give the quote in full, a "male-presenting _Time Lord_ ". That's not remotely as controversial as "male-presenting [human]", despite what the triggered anti-trans brigade would have us believe. Indeed, if one were to take their criticisms literally, then RTD was having a go at "male-presenting [human] transexuals", which I'm sure wasn't the case.
@@ftumschk yeah that's _totally_ not a jab at male humans, sure. It's a thinly veiled insult and only promotes transphobia since she's presented negatively. Just insult the most popular Doctor for being male, that's not going to backfire. She comes off as a bully.
A moment from classic that still makes me cringe is the newly regenerated Colin Baker throttling Peri. I know it was meant to represent the instability caused by regeneration but it only served to give Colin Baker the worst possible start of any new Doctor.
The line with Clara wasn't much different than his line with River. "This is my friend River... has her own gun... ...I shouldn't like that. Kinda do a bit". Basically 11 was constantly shocked to find that he was attracted to women. It's probably because he started life by not being attracted to Amy, but that's more because he met her as a child. Also he just didn't feel things as sexually as 10 did, but that didn't mean it wasn't there on occasion.
I actually thought wild blue yonder worked, but Im glad we're talking about the Cyber-tini. That was weird. The tone of that story felt like it didn't know where it wanted to be.
Speaking of Nightmare in Silver, the way the kids’ dialogue was written was just laughably bad (No shade on them, the acting was fine). Like when Angie got carried off by a cyberman, and she’s yelling “urgh I hate you!” Lads that’s not her mum telling her she can’t go out on a school night, it’s a fucking murderous robot kidnapping her??? I don’t think ‘throwing a strop’ is a realistic reaction???
The 1000yr aged Doctor shrinking down to bird cage size just didn't make sense. I just laughed at Baker's Doctor and that blob monster. The cyber-kini just came out of nowhere.
I’m one of the few that likes the resolution joke. I’d say that the not things not looking perfect is the episode’s way of conveying how unnatural they are. The line from nightmare in silver I say is the doctor being aware that Clara is trying to get her to notice him
I loved cyberwoman though for seeing the conversion machine but it really opened a rabbit hole of this doesn't make sense lol. I just assumed with lisas steel bra it was reinforcing body parts and internal organs with an initial plating before the typical cyberman torso piece was installed
I don't think that that Mat smith line is to bad if anything I think if he said it to someone it would be more cringe. What is horriblely bad and 100% cringe and why did you do it. is the "if you where still female presenting you would understand" line from Roas in the 60th special.
Donna just ‘letting go’ of her inner timelord is the biggest wtf moments I’ve seen in doctor who. Like your telling me we went through all that heartbreak of seeing her memory wipe and all this fear in the doctor of what will happen if she remembers only for her to just ‘let go’ cause she’s a women. Makes 0 sense
Yep the 'woman' line was sexism, pure and simple. There is a really easy test to see if something is sexist... Just flip the scene. In this case, if a man said the equivalent line about being a man it would obviously be called out for being sexist. Equality is about people being treated equally. It's not equality if one side (and only one side) can say/do offensive things. (Note that even if something passes the test it doesn't mean that it is right, but everything that fails the test is wrong. It's a bit like testing a food to see if it's poisonous. You can test for arsenic, but just before a food passes the test, doesn't mean that it's safe to eat)
I saw dobby doctor as an explanation for jack being the face of boa…with showing the head gets bigger than the body eventually. I also like the dobby doctor.
My ultimate WTF moment in NuWho: Donna asking 14 and 15 if they come in a range of colors. LMAO. As a member of an interracial family, such as Donna, that is a line you might say within your family as a light-hearted joke. But this was not one of those times. Lord. The second hand embarrassment is strong.
At the beginning of this I said "if the little bit too tight comment isn't on this list I'm gonna fight". Safe to say I am pleased with the outcome. !!
The pickled Doctor didn't bother me. At that point in the story that was really old as far as we'd ever seen without regenerating. But the crazy random shaking while it was happening, was too over the top.
4:21 I feel like the Chibnall era is the most centrist era politically in how it keeps telling us that the system and certain organizations aren’t the problem. Like how Yaz wants to be a police officer or, as you mentioned, the Kerblam stuff.
I always took the Matt Smith line as "a mystery wrapped in an enigma squeezed into a SKERMISH just a little too tight"... maybe because I'm an American and not used to hearing a British accent. Oops
Ironically the moment which makes me cringe the most is often cited by other fans as one of the best scenes: Catherine Tate's overly-laboured acting when Donna says "You... just... want... TO mate?!!!"
Fun fact the woman who tried fighting that alien is ingrid pitt a famous hammer horror actor who starred along side 3rd doctor Jon pertwee in the film the house that dripped blood
Cyberwomen is a fantastic episode. Not a wtf moment, the fact she looks the way she does made it more scary too Biggest dr who wtf moment is the whole 60th anniversary
My entry for "Nightmare in Silver" is the girl shouting "I hate you" at the cyberman. The other moment I dislike is the Doctor's reaction to Brian's cancer diagnosis.
10:13 - thank you so much for bringing this up! This is genuinely the most disgusting moment in all of Doctor Who, I actually want to throw up just thinking about... it how did they think that would be okay?! It's never okay for anyone to say but for the DOCTOR of all people to say *THAT*? Gross...
The Doctor really is just a perver in series 7. Just a couple of episodes later, he hits Clara's butt with a duster. Then kisses Jenny, a woman he knows is a lesbian and happily married. Then in the Christmas special, he flashes Clara and her family and spanks her again in front of her family.
The space Jesus moment actually makes sense within the lore of the show. Martha used the old magic of names from The Shekaspeare Code. That's why she walked the Earth, so everybody would remember his name.
For your #1: Earlier in that episode, didn't the Cyberplanner try to distract Clara by pretending that he (as the Doctor) finds Clara attractive - which she used as the cue to slap him to attention. I thought it was just callback to that, with the Doctor admitting for just a moment that he might *actually* find her attractive... before he immediately snaps out of it.
I believe that's how it was intended yeah - just clunky / out of character delivery (I don't mean Matt's delivery specifically, I mean "delivery" in the sense of writing/direction/acting all together)
I remember watching 'Dragonfire' when it aired and wondering what the actual billy bobbins The Doctor was doing sliding down to his possible imminent doom. BTW....I always love seeing the photo cutaways of Ellie in her 'Janeway' hairdo ! :) xx
The 'Dobby Doctor' does make sense. The Master didn't age him, he took away his ability to hide his actual age. To begin with, he took away his ability to hide a century and then another 900 years. This may be pocket change when they have their normal aging ability but it isn't when they don't, which is the point of what the Master was doing.
I actually like the lowkey amazon episode. Just because you don't like a system, doesn't mean that every incident is caused by them. Sometimes it is the rebellions from that system that causes the harm. Its a story worth telling. Not every narrative is going to match your agenda.
A couple of things I've learned about the Daleks: When there's just one, look out, because it's going to be a nearly unstoppable force. If there is an army of Daleks, you can defeat one with basically whatever happens to be laying around at the time. Also, their death ray deals the same amount of damage to all materials, whether it be a 5ft reinforce door made of futuristic space metal, or a 2 cm thick aluminum garage door, as they are powered by drama.
The person is smart, people are stupid. The Dalek is nearly unstoppable, the Daleks are repeatedly defeated.
It’s an excellent argument for personal sovereignty.
ah, the ninja rule
What makes Cyberwoman even more egregious is that they actually show Dr Tanizaki's failed conversion and it is absolutely grotesque. They could have done something similar with Lisa but chose to go purely for sex appeal. In fact, I'd argue the episode would have been much stronger if Lisa's conversion was less... glamorous. Ianto's struggle to save her would have felt much more powerful if we could see that she was clearly too far gone, as opposed to her just being a regular woman in a metal bikini.
Torchwood always struck me as being what a hormonal 15 year old would consider "Daringly grown up".
@@gilgameshofuruk4060 I always thought it was a 13 year old's perception of it rather than a 15 year old
@pikachucetthesecond4296 I was forgetting they get like that younger these days.
@@pikachucetthesecond4296 Completelty agree with this. I didnt get one with early Torchwood because the sales pitch was "Doctor Who, for grown ups" but in real ity Doctor who was far more grown up most of the time. Torchwood was what a horny and paricularly immature 13 year old would think of as grown up.
The cyberwoman episode was where i switched off completely (and didnt come back until Children of Earth...). How they could get it so wrong was .. cringe inducing. You have the concept "a Cyberman episode with the gloves off"... no more family friendly constraints. No more sugar coating it. You could really do something different with it, explore the body horror and pyschological impact...
It could have been Tetsuo meets Species.. instead we get a something that Heavy Metal would have rejected as too immature...
The fact that 'Cyberwoman' is the only instance of Torchwood using a villain from its parent show, and the fact that out of all of the Doctor Who villains the Cybermen are perfect for a darker/less family friendly deconstruction of the ideas they represent (think of stuff like World Enough and Time and Big Finish's Spare Parts and how dark they get in order to communicate the horror of the Cybermen concept). And how it's all just wasted, in favour of teenage boy horniness.
The moon being an egg in Kill the Moon is the worst thing I've seen in Doctor Who
Agreed. That episode was stupid! 😒
The moon being a giant egg? Fine. But growing in mass to six times what it was? That's not how eggs work! And the way the moon dragon leaves behind another moon immediately after hatching was utterly absurd. As if a hatchling would be both sexually mature _and_ pregnant!
I wonder if the writer of that episode went on to help with the blockbuster movie Moonfall...?
@@goldcrest2518So, telescopic pregnancies are a thing, such as in aphids, but why Moffatt decided to write a pro-life episode of Doctor Who baffles me.
@@digitaldeathsquid3448 He didn't write that Episode!
I like the idea of it since there is a myth about the moon being an egg but the execution felt rushed like it should have been two episodes and just didn’t work.
Except maybe for the oceans covered in trees, in the same season.
the internet joke is straight up a bad family guy cutaway gag lol
All I could think about was Steve Cutts' propaganda cartoon about smartphones.
One of the most WTF moments for me was in the very first episode of NuWho Rose. Mickey gets ‘eaten’ by a bin, which then replicates him as a very obviously plastic replacement, and Rose apparently can’t tell the difference???? WTF!!!!
Granted it’s the first episode of a new series which is finding its feet, with limited budget, but even still. Really?? 😂
"But you can trust me sweetheart/babe/doll/sugar/babe/sugar"
I interpret that as Plastic!Micky being very obviously plastic as just a way to show to audiences - especially kids - that he's the evil duplicate. In universe I imagine he looked actually identical.
@@Stray7ppp PIZZA
I took it as Rose was too distracted to notice because of what she’s just heard about the Doctor.
@@mgthestrange9098 Possibly straight after she had gotten into the car, yes. But that was during the day, when she is having the meal with Plickey it was night time, so she had had hours to notice and never did
Gotta be honest, but I do not understand why they are so harsh with Wild Blue Yonder. I understand not liking the giant Doctor-Donna-Not-Thing moment, I understand the contortion thing being weird too, but to go and question the fact that these creatures really pos a threat to the universe? Of course they do! One of them basically became the Doctor, but evil. Does that alone doesn't scream threat to you? Because they are even more.
I'm baffled as well. In the grand scheme of Who... I think the effects are really good. And since when has a bit goofy been an issue? The episode already has some of the best dramatic moments of new who.
It walks a very fine line that out of context could have been silly. I think what really sells the effects is the writing and the superb acting. For me it worked.
It suffers because the technology wasn't there yet to deliver the visuals. But I think it belongs to something other than this list.
Especially since Eleven's run suffers from a lot of creepy sexualisation from The Doctor (from Amy and towards Clara.) The writing for the 11th Doctor comes across as Moffat writing his own self-insert with a female character who lusts for him and then a female character to lust for. I'm ignoring River because Moffat seems to be only able to write straight and strong women as sexually confident. If the female character isn't strong and sexual, then she's gay and written "like a male character".
it is a joke. of course they genuinely pose a threat; the point is just that the silliness makes them look nonthreatening.
She's just a huge Matt Smith fangirl, so she basically hates both Tennant and Capaldi. Whenever there's a chance to whine or be a bitch about those two, she'll be the first on the task.
I thought blue yonder was honestly the best episode of the three specials. Didn't really have any problems with the reality bending monsters and thought their special effects were done fairly ok.
yeah! the video jiggery pokery looks really good except maybe when he crawls on all fours with his head in the knees
It makes sense for the form to be initially blurry or distorted as they were just learning the forms of Donna and the Doctor
@@tzargI liked that for its absurdity
The idea of a "best" episode of those three utter clangers is somewhat moot. Even "least worst" is generous.
I have to say, I loved Lisa! She was my first toy from the dr who exhibit when I was 11, fell in love with the idea that worlds collide with dr who and torchwood! Absolute icon, the seven of nine of torchwood, too much for people to handle 😭
6:30 I've worked catering for the BBC and this scene with the family would've been shot in a real house. Meaning it was a whole day of production, catering and filming, all on location for that family scene. So it's a bigger waste than u think.
The episode where Amy forces herself on 11 is probably the worst thing Moffat wrote...
Or maybe it is kill the moon..?
It's up there, but the worst thing Moffat wrote in my opinion is the line "Humany woomany" from The Doctor, The Widow, and The Wardrobe.
to be fair, Moffat thinks so too
@@Riprocproductions95Worst hour of his reign, undoubtedly, but Moffat himself didn’t write it.
Rose cheats on Mickey many times and they are dating!!!
Fun list, especially since you’re so correct on how they each didn’t make much sense even for a show like Dr. Who, where the audience is encouraged to suspend belief in order to enjoy the show .. you know, fantasy Sci Fi.. which I love.
Informative and entertaining video .Matt and Jenna were like a cute recently married couple during series 7B episodes, with Jenna being the boss .
The Doctor just needed someone to moisturize him 😂😂
The Cyberwoman from torchwood was...interesting 😅
I was scared.
Done for ratings
Like a low budget Pmovie! I seen better costumes in XXX movies
"6 buttons and a paper clip" is official British currency for anyone who is wondering
'here used 'o be 'ea as the highest form but we ran out 😔
Huh???
There's also the _"Now they'll see the real you"_ moment in which the Doctor reveals the fact that the Master is brown to the Nazis in the middle of World War 2.
Chibnall what the fuck.
Pretty sure they addressed this in the episode itself lol. I guess you didn't watch the whole thing.
@@--Animal--
"Oh, hey, we mention it ourselves so it's fine."
The *Velma* writing method.
@@--Animal-- his explanation was "Africa division" or something like that lol I mean there weren't SS africans but it's doctor who alien invasions havnt actually happened so I don't care much about a change in established history because it's a different universe but I'd rather it be something to play on the masters powers of hypnosis or something sci-fi rather than that ya know
The skirt that's a little too tight line, I think, was the Doctor's realization that he liked Clara a little too much for his own good. He kind of reiterates this when he becomes Twelve and says "I'm not your boyfriend, Clara"
C: "I never said that you were"
12: "I never said it was your fault"
I mean, cringe at the line all you like, but as far as long term story telling goes...it ties back into the story
I just don't get the hatred for this line. I just don't get the hatred for this episode, at all. It's just funny and as you pointed out, it's the realization of the fact that he likes Clara, a little hi 89bit too much. Neil Gaimen was honoured to write a Cyberman episode. Warrick Davis was thrilled to be in a Cyberman episode. Okay, the Cybermen 'upgrade in progress' is a tad annoying but no worse than the reasonless quick zombies from 28 Days Later. The scene where the Doctor is fighting the Cyber Controller is amazing. I don't even think that Clara's charges are as irritating as people imagine. I love this episode so very much.
@@StevieZala I'll take it a step further...I LIKE Clara as a companion. Shocking! 🤣
@@official3ird Those 6 episodes, or was it 7 with Matt Smith & Jenna Coleman? Were, for me, the closest thing to perfection that new Who ever produced. Now, I'm completely with you. Their chemistry was amazing. Her preppy frocks were just a wee bit tight & boy, didn't they look fab on her? (Yeah, I'm an 'ikky b**ch') Oh, I really wish Matt had stayed on for another series with Jenna. They were amazing together.
@StevieZala definitely had the best chemistry since the Doctor & Donna. Matt Smith for a full season with Jenna would've been the best. And yes, she's extremely appealing lol
@@official3ird A full season with that pair. I shall have to lie down in a darkened room now. To quote the Sun Makers 'You tempt me, you tempt me sir'
The first New Who Master story was great. When I watched the scene where the Doctor was made an old man it hit me emotionally especially as he looked on at the destruction. When aged even further I felt very sorry for him.
The nothings in the wild blue yonder felt terrifying, menacing and a threat.
I think there was a lot of potential there, the story was good, but the special effects, as they so often do, made a lot of it feel very cartoony instead of scary. I think they went overboard with the body shifting elements. The first time I saw their arms elongate and drop the floor with huge hands I couldn't stop laughing for about a minute.
There's also in the giggle where donna says "do you come in a range of colors?" Like who gave that the ok????
Idk but it was fucking hilarious
I.....didn't see the Kablam episode as pivoting to "anti-worker". If anything it highlighted the extreme levels of desperation that the way corporations treat their employees can drive the employees to.
You had the opportunity to say “what the flux were they thinking” at the beginning there.
What's wrong with Flux?
@TheBlackcredo a LOT. For the sake of not writing an essay, the biggest issue is that it was never actually resolved. Almost everything in the universe was destroyed, and nothing ever came of it. Thank god Russel at least addressed a few unanswered questions in wild blue yonder, but even after that, this insanely powerful event that wiped out almost all of the universe never gets mentioned again by anyone. Not to mention the debacle with the fobwatch and tecteun which both also never get resolved and I think it's safe to say never will get resolved. Also apparently time is an entity now? That also never gets brought up or has consequences ever again. The flux feels like it was a brainstorming session at 3am and then none of the ideas from it were developed at all.
"Karate Kicking a giant lizard"
Sounds like a good idea for a Godzilla movie
Would go perfectly with the end of Godzilla vs Megalon where Godzilla is doing drop kicks.
The fact they managed to single out a single bit of Torchwood shows a great power for adhering to a decision once it's made.
I think a few of these “this was too silly” moments on this list should be replaced with more problematic scenes, the show is meant to be silly it’s weird to complain about things like the Not Things’ contortion or boomer “no wifi” jokes when scenes like Amy trying to SA the Doctor behind her fiancé’s back on their wedding night exist.
The expanding aliens at the edge of the universe is spot on. They made themselves bigger to become faster, longer stride, faster movement. They’re still learning about physical form. They didn’t realize the point of diminishing return, where they became too big to move in the corridor. There is no problem with that scene. I can’t understand how two people as smart as Ellie and Sean can’t see that. As for the Doctor with his head up his-- between his legs, it almost looked like it was ripped right out of the dodgy yet scary claymation from the movie Dreamscape. It was supposed to be scary/creepy. That i can understand people not liking.
“Waters of the Deep” was one of the first episodes of Doctor Who that I ever saw. The absurd karate scene had me in stitches, and is one of the reasons I continued watching the show. (Which only aired at midnight on Saturdays where I am from back then)
Statue of Liberty Angel is the number 1 most wtf moment. I'll die on that hill
I partiularly like how the entire of New York City has to be NOT LOOKING for it to make it's way over to the building....
But it's made of metal and not rock
@@brookead😂😂😂
Too true.
Also, giant stompy Godzilla Cyberman in The Next Doctor.
Was very hard to whittle this down to just 10! Potential part 2 incoming.
The WTF what were they thinking seems to be a constant since 2017
The creature from the pit is one of my earliest memories and it absolutely terrified me as a kid!
thank you for FINALLY admitting that Chibnal's writing was problematic. Though honestly, I think you were being too kind.
Chibnall's first series was way too politically correct, too many same sex relationships and way too historical, series 12 was better and bought back older villains, flux/series 13 was very well done considering the constraints from COVID, and the 2022 specials were amazing, especially Eve of the Daleks and The Power of the Doctor, the legend of the Sea devils was lackluster, too edited with essential scenes cut out
@@jakesinclair69420 History is PC now? lol.
@@--Animal--you should pay attention to the commas separating the points they’re making instead of mashing two of them together and going “ HuR DuR hIstOrY PC nOW!?”
@@jakesinclair69420why too many same sex relationships?
@@jakesinclair69420Truthfully, Series 11 wasn’t political at all. It used a lot of political buzzwords and tried to wear a mask of leftism, in some weird attempt to connect with a younger, more left-leaning audience, but that’s all it was, an EXTREMELY superficial mask. Chibnal’s writing was dangerously right-wing while pretending to be politically correct, which only served to drive away the audience it was supposed to appeal to. Leftists see through the tokenism, and Doctor Who fans are used to the real left-wing stories and messages from the RTD era, we know what depth looks like and we’re not gonna settle for superficial. Midnight alone was far more political than Chibnal’s entire run, with a genuine political message about how fear of the unknown can be used as a weapon that drives even the smartest people to destroy themselves from the inside. The deepest message Chibnal’s ever politically written is “gay people exist” and “racism is bad”. That’s not political, that’s just shit writing pretending to be political.
I am not sure if this is a WTF moment, but that one scene with the christmas episode and the big spider woman thing and her screaming MYY CHILDRENNNN really got me.
I don't see the issue with the Wi-Fi joke. Both myself and my family found it positively hilarious.
So did mine, we all had a laugh about it on our WhatsApp group LOL.
I personally think all of Chibnall's era was "WTF were they thinking?"
The "cyber-kini" just struck me as a reference to Fritz Lang's Metropolis.
I think Timeless Child, people got so weird and insane about it, like it people got mad at you ;don't like it people go mad at you. Even thinking nothing of it, mad at you. I can see why you would not put it on the list , which is why I think it is number one, as no other time did people have such strong feelings over something in the show past and now.
You know it's just a silly adventure programme? Don't take it so seriously.
You missed two of my biggest cringe moments, firstly John Pertwee being eaten by an inflatable plastic chair in Terror Of The Ortons where he's clearly just falling about pulling the chair round himself, and the biggest cringe of them all was Amy trying to kiss Matt Smith's Doctor at the end of Flesh And Stone
Totally agree, except it wasn't Pertwee who got eaten by the chair, it was the executive who worked for Rex Farrell. Pertwee almost gets strangled by the phone cord.
There was actually an actor inside the chair, engulfing the actor (Harry Towb) in his black latex-clad arms.
@@charlieestrada3699 It was actually Mr McDermott, played by Harry Towb. Rex Farrell (Michael Wisher) was killed later.
Nah, that killer chair was ICONIC. lol
See also, Peri being attacked by a tree in Mark of the Rani, while similarly pulling the branches around her...
What about that scene in The Star Beast where new Rose and Donna basically say that they know everything and The Doctor knows nothing because he's male-presenting?
Also don't forget that the "everything" that they know was literally copied from him.
To give the quote in full, a "male-presenting _Time Lord_ ". That's not remotely as controversial as "male-presenting [human]", despite what the triggered anti-trans brigade would have us believe. Indeed, if one were to take their criticisms literally, then RTD was having a go at "male-presenting [human] transexuals", which I'm sure wasn't the case.
I mean, they addressed it in the into clips so it's basically a runner-up I think
That'd never be criticised here
@@ftumschk yeah that's _totally_ not a jab at male humans, sure. It's a thinly veiled insult and only promotes transphobia since she's presented negatively. Just insult the most popular Doctor for being male, that's not going to backfire. She comes off as a bully.
A moment from classic that still makes me cringe is the newly regenerated Colin Baker throttling Peri. I know it was meant to represent the instability caused by regeneration but it only served to give Colin Baker the worst possible start of any new Doctor.
Agreed! I hate that so much, and the fact that Peri never acknowledges that the Doctor sacrificed his life to save hers.
Rewatched Dragonfire the other week and was equally bemused that the cliffhanger was a) so literal and b) so nonsensical
10:31 lol. The doctor is never alone in his box. 😂😂
Fun Fact: The Cyberwoman story was written by Chris Chibnall.
Chibnall and Moffatt did not have RTD's plotting and pacing skills, that's for sure.
The line with Clara wasn't much different than his line with River. "This is my friend River... has her own gun... ...I shouldn't like that. Kinda do a bit". Basically 11 was constantly shocked to find that he was attracted to women. It's probably because he started life by not being attracted to Amy, but that's more because he met her as a child. Also he just didn't feel things as sexually as 10 did, but that didn't mean it wasn't there on occasion.
I'd have gone bang up to date with the Loony Tunes hammer creation of the second Tardis.
I actually thought wild blue yonder worked, but Im glad we're talking about the Cyber-tini. That was weird. The tone of that story felt like it didn't know where it wanted to be.
Speaking of Nightmare in Silver, the way the kids’ dialogue was written was just laughably bad (No shade on them, the acting was fine). Like when Angie got carried off by a cyberman, and she’s yelling “urgh I hate you!” Lads that’s not her mum telling her she can’t go out on a school night, it’s a fucking murderous robot kidnapping her??? I don’t think ‘throwing a strop’ is a realistic reaction???
The 1000yr aged Doctor shrinking down to bird cage size just didn't make sense.
I just laughed at Baker's Doctor and that blob monster.
The cyber-kini just came out of nowhere.
I’m one of the few that likes the resolution joke.
I’d say that the not things not looking perfect is the episode’s way of conveying how unnatural they are.
The line from nightmare in silver I say is the doctor being aware that Clara is trying to get her to notice him
That #1 has nothing on "I'm half-human on my mother's side" from the TV movie.
I loved cyberwoman though for seeing the conversion machine but it really opened a rabbit hole of this doesn't make sense lol. I just assumed with lisas steel bra it was reinforcing body parts and internal organs with an initial plating before the typical cyberman torso piece was installed
I don't think that that Mat smith line is to bad if anything I think if he said it to someone it would be more cringe.
What is horriblely bad and 100% cringe and why did you do it. is the "if you where still female presenting you would understand" line from Roas in the 60th special.
That made me want to punch the telly.
yeah also they "we can just let it go" line, i really liked them bringing back the metacrisis but it felt like they had no idea how to end it
7:05Holy cow, who was the writer of that episode? They'd obviously just heard about phallic symbolism and they just couldn't wait to give it a go 😝
Donna just ‘letting go’ of her inner timelord is the biggest wtf moments I’ve seen in doctor who. Like your telling me we went through all that heartbreak of seeing her memory wipe and all this fear in the doctor of what will happen if she remembers only for her to just ‘let go’ cause she’s a women. Makes 0 sense
Yep the 'woman' line was sexism, pure and simple. There is a really easy test to see if something is sexist... Just flip the scene. In this case, if a man said the equivalent line about being a man it would obviously be called out for being sexist.
Equality is about people being treated equally. It's not equality if one side (and only one side) can say/do offensive things.
(Note that even if something passes the test it doesn't mean that it is right, but everything that fails the test is wrong. It's a bit like testing a food to see if it's poisonous. You can test for arsenic, but just before a food passes the test, doesn't mean that it's safe to eat)
I saw dobby doctor as an explanation for jack being the face of boa…with showing the head gets bigger than the body eventually. I also like the dobby doctor.
My ultimate WTF moment in NuWho: Donna asking 14 and 15 if they come in a range of colors.
LMAO. As a member of an interracial family, such as Donna, that is a line you might say within your family as a light-hearted joke.
But this was not one of those times. Lord. The second hand embarrassment is strong.
You can fill well over half this list with series finales of the new show.
The sixth Doctor strangling Peri should have been on this list ahead of many of these others.
6 wasn’t to show what a TIMELORD would look like at 900, it was showing what a human would look like
Every line of uttered by Rose Nobel could have been on this list. All of them.
And why is that?
How was Kill the Moon not on this list?!
Agreed.
Wtf were they thinking changing Matt Smiths intro after Rory and Amy leave. I wouldnt have minded if it was good but holy shit they made a mess of it
At the beginning of this I said "if the little bit too tight comment isn't on this list I'm gonna fight". Safe to say I am pleased with the outcome. !!
I wasn’t a big fan of the literal cyberwoman, but the storyline is heart wrenching.
The moon is an egg should be number 1 on this list
Aww, I liked the little thumb sucking bit in Orphan 55
why does it look like the 7th doctor look like he found himself in Superman's fortress of Solitude. lol🤣
The pickled Doctor didn't bother me. At that point in the story that was really old as far as we'd ever seen without regenerating. But the crazy random shaking while it was happening, was too over the top.
I don't know what you're talking about? Space Jesus sounds AWESOME.
4:21 I feel like the Chibnall era is the most centrist era politically in how it keeps telling us that the system and certain organizations aren’t the problem. Like how Yaz wants to be a police officer or, as you mentioned, the Kerblam stuff.
No Timeless Child? No having Adric as a companion? No Absorbaloff (or whatever it was called)? Do you guys even watch this show?
Timeless Child was great and I loved Adric. Agree about the absorbaloff though.
A much needed video.
I don’t know why you were so hard on nightmare in silver, I thought it was a really fun episode.
I always took the Matt Smith line as "a mystery wrapped in an enigma squeezed into a SKERMISH just a little too tight"... maybe because I'm an American and not used to hearing a British accent. Oops
Especially when Clara’s skirt isn’t even a tight skirt anyway
Crazy seeing Lydia from Breaking Bad in Doctor Who.
This channel is gaslighting me into questioning why I liked wild blue yonder sm I stg lol
Ironically the moment which makes me cringe the most is often cited by other fans as one of the best scenes: Catherine Tate's overly-laboured acting when Donna says "You... just... want... TO mate?!!!"
I can't believe the sonic sunglasses were'nt on there!
I know right...those scenes caught me off guard.
The Cyber-kini was when I gave up on Torchwood.
It got better after then I promise. Especially Children Of Earth.
4:15 PIVOT!! 🛋️
*CRASH* Ok… I don’t think it’s going to pivot anymore
Fun fact the woman who tried fighting that alien is ingrid pitt a famous hammer horror actor who starred along side 3rd doctor Jon pertwee in the film the house that dripped blood
She was also in the third Doctor story 'The Time Monster' with Jon Pertwee.
Cyberwomen is a fantastic episode. Not a wtf moment, the fact she looks the way she does made it more scary too
Biggest dr who wtf moment is the whole 60th anniversary
What about the cyber bikini was scary for you?
My entry for "Nightmare in Silver" is the girl shouting "I hate you" at the cyberman. The other moment I dislike is the Doctor's reaction to Brian's cancer diagnosis.
...do you mean Graham?
@@bacontheshoe Yes. I knew something didn't feel right. Brian was Rory's father.
Shrivelled peanut man 💀
I guess that works. I just never notied that thing with the merker.
Zendaya apparently LOVED the Cyber-kini
5:34 Wasn't that an easter egg reference to the posh family in the Catherine Tate Show? I think it was kinda funny because of that
10:13 - thank you so much for bringing this up! This is genuinely the most disgusting moment in all of Doctor Who, I actually want to throw up just thinking about... it how did they think that would be okay?! It's never okay for anyone to say but for the DOCTOR of all people to say *THAT*? Gross...
The Doctor really is just a perver in series 7. Just a couple of episodes later, he hits Clara's butt with a duster. Then kisses Jenny, a woman he knows is a lesbian and happily married. Then in the Christmas special, he flashes Clara and her family and spanks her again in front of her family.
The space Jesus moment actually makes sense within the lore of the show. Martha used the old magic of names from The Shekaspeare Code. That's why she walked the Earth, so everybody would remember his name.
Dobby Doctor was so awful I wanted to cry. I mean, the story would work with the Doctor just kept prisoner, why do this stupid effect?
We must not forget death by eye booger.
For your #1: Earlier in that episode, didn't the Cyberplanner try to distract Clara by pretending that he (as the Doctor) finds Clara attractive - which she used as the cue to slap him to attention. I thought it was just callback to that, with the Doctor admitting for just a moment that he might *actually* find her attractive... before he immediately snaps out of it.
I believe that's how it was intended yeah - just clunky / out of character delivery (I don't mean Matt's delivery specifically, I mean "delivery" in the sense of writing/direction/acting all together)
#1 - "Nightmare in Silver", @EllieLittlefield? I mean,... Neil Gaiman wrote THAT story. 😞
I remember watching 'Dragonfire' when it aired and wondering what the actual billy bobbins The Doctor was doing sliding down to his possible imminent doom. BTW....I always love seeing the photo cutaways of Ellie in her 'Janeway' hairdo ! :) xx
I always think that WTF is Whiskey, Tobacco, and Firearms... a division of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (US government agency)
The moon is an egg
Hpuse elf? Thats voldys soul at kings cross
Dobby Doctor? You mean The Dream Lord? You know, cuase he was played by Toby Jones who also played Dobby...
The 'Dobby Doctor' does make sense. The Master didn't age him, he took away his ability to hide his actual age. To begin with, he took away his ability to hide a century and then another 900 years. This may be pocket change when they have their normal aging ability but it isn't when they don't, which is the point of what the Master was doing.
But why did he shrink? It might’ve been better if he became like how the master was in the Deadly Assassin, basically like a corpse.
For the Clara thing I actually didn’t mind it as I understood what he meant instead of thinking differently not being rude btw😅
I actually like the lowkey amazon episode. Just because you don't like a system, doesn't mean that every incident is caused by them.
Sometimes it is the rebellions from that system that causes the harm. Its a story worth telling. Not every narrative is going to match your agenda.