What you across the Atlantic call Propress and what we call Pressfit over here has actually been around for 50 years or so. What's new is the technology that's used to press the fittings. We have M press fittings which are mainly Yorkshire XPress and V press which are mainly Conex Banninger fittings. My press gun is a Rothenberger Romax 4000 which uses Metabo 18v batteries that can also be used in my cordless Metabo tools. Pressfit is brilliant, but does have it's drawbacks in that it's not easy to get the jaws into tight spaces. Viega make a pressfit gun that has right angled jaws which are great for tight spaces.
Years ago I worked at a company that used power crimpers (Panduit) for copper cable lugs and then I saw the crimper you used in my basement when my water heater was replaced... I immediately saw the correlation between them. Quick, neat, time saving.... the best way to go.
Deburr/ream yes, but do NOT clean/sand the pipe; the O-ring is supposed to seal on a perfectly round surface, not one with a bunch of scratches on it!!
waterproof sand paper is damn expensive now a days. love this tool. i recommend to any service plumber that lives in a crawl space. changing hose bibs is a gold mine
Sandpaper?? To make a solder joint all that is needed is a roll of wire wool, a tin of flux and solder. All these items will last months so making a joint is very cheap. For a joint which is wet use push fit plastic or compression fitting. No need for a $150 tool
People dont realize unforeseen reasons us plumbers don't like to use oxy braising .its not the time or effort it takes. Its the ticking time bomb we store in the back of our vehicles that can explode if cylinders leak. Im all for these types of press tools. The gas fittings have yellow Oring, water usually black.
One question Up and down ladders torch was lighter and I could have it on my belt up on a ladder, Any holster made for the Press tool? FYI solder is better lasts longer Plumbers should know how to do ALL plumbing Including Lead and oakum 40 years in the Biz just sayin'
I have this tool and I love it. This is great and not to expensive, it does a amazing job but I would never use that brass male adapter for gas services
I checked with Viega, and I found the propress x Pex B but I didn't see Pex A. I'm sure it's available through one of the vendors like Nibco or an import but as of now not Viega
The good part I liked about your presentation is the fact you stated the working pressure limitations for the fittings. What I would have like to have heard more of is the working weight of the tool. The old Rigid corded tool weighed a ton. These battery operated tools are much lighter, but I think might be a bit weaker on the pressing. Veiga and Milwaukee makes one for steel, (Mega Press). I was wondering if you knew, if the heads for the Megapress tool, would accept Propress crisper heads where you could get the stronger tool and just swap heads so that you would only have to buy the crimped heads. Also, what are the temperature limitations for the fittings, glycol mix, steam temperatures...
God damnit, I want/need one of those so f!@#$ing badly. Found a few locally around 800.00. I do property management in old, beat up college housing rentals. I end up in the craziest places....where plumbing should never have been installed in the first place. Eh - that's life. Great, quick, straightforward vid. I'm seeing a few local ad listings for used 2773-22 kits around 800.00. Total steal, it seems. I've got the M18 batts already. Thanks!
This particular model does not. The M18 ( next step up) will. It also works on steel pipe called mega press. These all take a separate jaw not included in the kit.
not so fast, I bought 2 of them and both units will not cut 1/2" m copper tube. Aske the Milwaukee rep about it and 3 weeks have gone by and no answer? I need tools that work every time
Unfortunately they are not. This system works really well. We even just ran a 1 inch gas line with it. Only advantage of the M18 I see is it will do larger sizes above 1 1/4" and also does steel mega press
I don't understand how I own drill& driver , circular & recip-saw .A light & hammer drill . And the total amount spent is still not as expencive as a press tool kit! Prices are literally rediculas. Not saying it's not a good tool but my GOD $$$$
Apparently it depends on your local code. For many years, I saw flared copper lines to fixtures like water heaters etc... and we always told the customer its was not up to code and would update with black iron or an AGA approved gas connector depending on length. Now they approve copper sweat (providing its silver brazed) or copper press in our area. I guess it depends on the inspector
So it's my understanding this m12 version only does copper. The m18 will do all of it. There is also a specific pex only version in th m12 that's a considerable amount cheaper like 699.00. Not sure why they didn't incorporate pet in this version. The m12 is not strong enough for mega press
It's not just difference in cost only in tool. Fittings are also more expensive. One for 10 £ and I can get 4 of the same for 2£. And... They are V jaws or? I saw also other systems for copper. Its also press but not V jaws...
Unlikely, I agree it is Very expensive and I was one of the later guys to buy one, however it comes in very handy. Putting in water heaters and hose bibbs without having to carry an acetylene torch in an attic or crawl space under a house does wonders.
The power of Marketing!!! What happened to the compression fittings, are they no good any more? And guess what you do not need that expensive tool. Or is it a for plumbers to charge more for their work by impressing clients with their EXPENSIVE tools to justify the final price. Also another way to discourage DIYers from doing simple repairs because they don't have the proper tools... MARKETING, MARKETING , MARKETING IS THE EQUIVALENT OF LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION in real estate
@@joeywortman-nielsen3014 oh I’ve used them before working for a big company and they are great. I’ve been self employed for 10 years now doing mostly residential service and it is just too big of a cost to be practical, maybe if I did a lot of commercial work. I was just making the point that it’s kind of ridiculous to say solder and flux is expensive so spend $3000 on the tool, I’ve been plumbing for over 20 years and haven’t spent anywhere near that. That being said it does save some time and is great when a dry pipe is not possible.
I have been using viega copper and plastic press systems for 23 years. The dimensions have not changed, and neither has the tool. You can work with it quickly and safely, there is no need to deal with fire protection. There was a leak in 23 years, but there too a rubber sealing ring broke at the joint, it was just an installation error. But other than that, there was never a leak. I welcome you from Hungary
🤔 not really sure. The next model up is over $2000 however it's a very handy tool. If you work with a lot of copper piping it will pay for itself by saving time. Very similar to running steel gas piping and threading each joint and now people using flexible CSST or copper.
@@PlumbingPartsPro I’ve used both and Ridgid ProPress to me feels like it’s made of better material and craftsmanship is better. In the long run I don’t think Milwaukee would last as long as Ridgid. When it was time to buy a ProPress I gave my hard earned money to Ridgid and honestly I didn’t even consider Milwaukee. Just my $0.02
There's all kinds of tools to make things easier or more efficient for plumbers. It can be said that going from cast iron pipe to pvc could be lazy, or galvanized piping to Pex or using a drill instead of a screwdriver. As time passes and technology grows inventions are made to make things more efficient.
What you across the Atlantic call Propress and what we call Pressfit over here has actually been around for 50 years or so. What's new is the technology that's used to press the fittings. We have M press fittings which are mainly Yorkshire XPress and V press which are mainly Conex Banninger fittings. My press gun is a Rothenberger Romax 4000 which uses Metabo 18v batteries that can also be used in my cordless Metabo tools. Pressfit is brilliant, but does have it's drawbacks in that it's not easy to get the jaws into tight spaces. Viega make a pressfit gun that has right angled jaws which are great for tight spaces.
Years ago I worked at a company that used power crimpers (Panduit) for copper cable lugs and then I saw the crimper you used in my basement when my water heater was replaced... I immediately saw the correlation between them. Quick, neat, time saving.... the best way to go.
Propress is really a game changer.
Always clean and de bur your pipe. The o ring inside the fittings needs to be on clean copper. A big burr can cut it when pipe is inserted.
Could this be done on stub outs???? I don’t want to braze all day. What about reaming of the pipe?
Deburr/ream yes, but do NOT clean/sand the pipe; the O-ring is supposed to seal on a perfectly round surface, not one with a bunch of scratches on it!!
waterproof sand paper is damn expensive now a days. love this tool. i recommend to any service plumber that lives in a crawl space. changing hose bibs is a gold mine
Sandpaper?? To make a solder joint all that is needed is a roll of wire wool, a tin of flux and solder. All these items will last months so making a joint is very cheap. For a joint which is wet use push fit plastic or compression fitting. No need for a $150 tool
What’s the model that will crimp viega fittings and it’s the 18 volt line. That’s what I’m looking for. Thanks.
2922 is the m18 one
People dont realize unforeseen reasons us plumbers don't like to use oxy braising .its not the time or effort it takes. Its the ticking time bomb we store in the back of our vehicles that can explode if cylinders leak. Im all for these types of press tools. The gas fittings have yellow Oring, water usually black.
Of course this would be your excuse. The poor homeowner then has to rely on a O-ring not to fail and it generates money for you once it does.
Crazy easy. This is incredible. Thanks for the video
Is there one tool that can do copper as well as pex ?
This one
One question Up and down ladders torch was lighter and I could have it on my belt up on a ladder, Any holster made for the Press tool? FYI solder is better lasts longer Plumbers should know how to do ALL plumbing Including Lead and oakum 40 years in the Biz just sayin'
Can this m12 be used on PEX ?
I have this tool and I love it. This is great and not to expensive, it does a amazing job but I would never use that brass male adapter for gas services
Any idea how fast the m12 press tool presses pex? I want to give this to my dad as he does a lot of pex installs and remodels also.
Will they ever make a brushless version of the m12 press tool?
I believe rigid rp 240 241 are brushless
@@wickedleeloopy2115 I just looked it up, I don't think so.
Does Milwaukee make a power pipe wrench. It would tighten or loosen pipe but without 2 wrenches
Quick question will this tool only work on viega fittings?
Is there fittings available that are pro-press to PEX A?
I checked with Viega, and I found the propress x Pex B but I didn't see Pex A. I'm sure it's available through one of the vendors like Nibco or an import but as of now not Viega
Can you get heads for pex and black iron for this tool?
How much does this cost?
Do these also do gas fittings from black iron? I know they're different jaws but is it capable?
Yes they are. Mega press jaws
Will the Milwaukee pex heads work on that milwaukee gun.
Picked one off offer up for $900. Only got a couple miles on it
Nice find👍
Maybe the one they stole from my van
Can I use it for viega. Fittings
The good part I liked about your presentation is the fact you stated the working pressure limitations for the fittings. What I would have like to have heard more of is the working weight of the tool. The old Rigid corded tool weighed a ton. These battery operated tools are much lighter, but I think might be a bit weaker on the pressing. Veiga and Milwaukee makes one for steel, (Mega Press). I was wondering if you knew, if the heads for the Megapress tool, would accept Propress crisper heads where you could get the stronger tool and just swap heads so that you would only have to buy the crimped heads. Also, what are the temperature limitations for the fittings, glycol mix, steam temperatures...
Man thanks for showing us that crimper man that thing didn't nice job excellent thanks for showing ua this thing in action
Propress has saved me multiple times when there's still water in the pipes.
Why noot use compression fittings. A spanner and mole grips and the job is done
Can you use these for Hvac copper tubing?
Is this tool able to press refrigerant piping?
That's what I want to know
it be nice of you could interchange the jaws to be able to press pex and also the press fittings
Yeah I agree, but only the M18 version will do all the jaws
@@PlumbingPartsPro so there is one that will interchange the jaws?
what is the model number?
amzn.to/3GZy9Zv. I have a review dropping next on the m18. Subscribe
Next week
God damnit, I want/need one of those so f!@#$ing badly. Found a few locally around 800.00. I do property management in old, beat up college housing rentals. I end up in the craziest places....where plumbing should never have been installed in the first place. Eh - that's life. Great, quick, straightforward vid. I'm seeing a few local ad listings for used 2773-22 kits around 800.00. Total steal, it seems. I've got the M18 batts already. Thanks!
you have any more info on the gas fittings?
I am currently working on a gas demonstration, Subscribe and stay tuned. Thanks for watching.
Spottin_Nickels I can tell you that I’ve been using them for a few months now when necessary and they work!
How do you know when to take finger off of trigger?
2 to 3 seconds to initiate the machine and then it cycles itself and crimps.
@@PlumbingPartsPro so it shuts off once it crimps?
Correct. Once the crimp completes it cuts off automatic
Does this work for pex rings as well?
This particular model does not. The M18 ( next step up) will. It also works on steel pipe called mega press. These all take a separate jaw not included in the kit.
not so fast, I bought 2 of them and both units will not cut 1/2" m copper tube. Aske the Milwaukee rep about it and 3 weeks have gone by and no answer? I need tools that work every time
If you do have to braze near a pressed fitting you need to be 10” away snd wet like a txv
Thank you
Can you get a pex crimper bit for 1/2"
This model does not support the pex jaws for some reason. You would have to upgrade to the M18 model or buy a separate pex version only.
they are coming out with pex jaws for m12 and m18 next month on Feb
@@elnicadrums that's great to hear. I haven't heard that yet.
Thanks.🙏
Are the M12 jaws compatible with the M18 system?
Unfortunately they are not. This system works really well. We even just ran a 1 inch gas line with it. Only advantage of the M18 I see is it will do larger sizes above 1 1/4" and also does steel mega press
U should hold the pipe gently pushing in while crimping. Otherwise might come out
I always put a peice of white bread to stop water long enough to get a valve in the let it flush out
Does Milwaukee have 1/4 - 3/8 jaws as well??
I know there is smaller jaws in production and coming soon for refrigeration lines.
@@PlumbingPartsPro Do you think is possible to use Rothenberger’s small jaws with Milwaukee press tool sir??
I don't understand how I own drill& driver , circular & recip-saw .A light & hammer drill . And the total amount spent is still not as expencive as a press tool kit! Prices are literally rediculas. Not saying it's not a good tool but my GOD $$$$
I agree they are very expensive. Maybe they will come down after a few years like when Flat Screen TVs came out and were $3000 now $500
You need to learn how to spell! Js
Seriously! Its about the same amount of material/parts as milwaukee drill and costs 10x more 😫
A shop vac is a whole lot cheaper
Can you buy one tool and just buy multiple sets of jaws, say for pex, copper and gas lines?
The m18 version will accommodate more.
Copper for gas NG lines...??? Atmos will disconnect your service if you have copper lines....has this changed???
Apparently it depends on your local code. For many years, I saw flared copper lines to fixtures like water heaters etc... and we always told the customer its was not up to code and would update with black iron or an AGA approved gas connector depending on length. Now they approve copper sweat (providing its silver brazed) or copper press in our area. I guess it depends on the inspector
@@PlumbingPartsPro my neighbor works for Atmos energy and if u can because u smell gas and the find copper they shut you off .
Does this tool have pex crimp jaws now ? Or just copper and the mega press jaws for gas?
So it's my understanding this m12 version only does copper. The m18 will do all of it. There is also a specific pex only version in th m12 that's a considerable amount cheaper like 699.00. Not sure why they didn't incorporate pet in this version. The m12 is not strong enough for mega press
Price tool??
There's a link in the description. Usually 1800-2200
They can leak. Not the fitting but the type of copper pipe you are using or repairing.
old type M
What is the model #?
Here is the Milwaukee 2473-22 M12 Press tool, A must for every plumber. Check it out here------amzn.to/2VeVX3O
I ll never go back
No more dust!
It's not just difference in cost only in tool. Fittings are also more expensive. One for 10 £ and I can get 4 of the same for 2£. And... They are V jaws or? I saw also other systems for copper. Its also press but not V jaws...
They need to drop the price. I’m refrigeration no braze no nitro it’s a no brainer
As far as the press tool it's the one method where there is no way of taking off and substituting another fitting
This is true. I never thought about that
Use a bandsaw and cut right behind the old press fitting 👍🏼
The future is now old man
Yeah an O-Ring is the future... Future for you crooks taking advantage of home owners cause you know they will fail.
Crimp it AND solder it just for kicks.
just imagine every man needs tools right, guess what my new tool is gonna be,,
I want to rob a plumber store and get one.
👮♂️👮♂️🚨🚨🚔🚔 good luck
when the price goes down under $300 I might get one.
Unlikely, I agree it is Very expensive and I was one of the later guys to buy one, however it comes in very handy. Putting in water heaters and hose bibbs without having to carry an acetylene torch in an attic or crawl space under a house does wonders.
Bro it’s like 1500 the cheapest anywhere I look lmao you’ll be waiting a couple years for that price
The power of Marketing!!! What happened to the compression fittings, are they no good any more? And guess what you do not need that expensive tool. Or is it a for plumbers to charge more for their work by impressing clients with their EXPENSIVE tools to justify the final price. Also another way to discourage DIYers from doing simple repairs because they don't have the proper tools... MARKETING, MARKETING , MARKETING IS THE EQUIVALENT OF LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION in real estate
Its 2k??? Dammm..Great tool but this diy homeowner cant justify it.. Bummer
Good luck using a press tool where I live. Twenty or greater years on well water. Not going to happen!
Lmao, solder flux and sandpaper are getting expensive, so that’s the reason you should buy a $3000 press tool.😂
Dude... Have you ever used one?
You get it because it's fuckin AWESOME!
@@joeywortman-nielsen3014 oh I’ve used them before working for a big company and they are great. I’ve been self employed for 10 years now doing mostly residential service and it is just too big of a cost to be practical, maybe if I did a lot of commercial work. I was just making the point that it’s kind of ridiculous to say solder and flux is expensive so spend $3000 on the tool, I’ve been plumbing for over 20 years and haven’t spent anywhere near that. That being said it does save some time and is great when a dry pipe is not possible.
Pro press is easy but every single joint will leak in 15-20 years
🤷 who knows. Hasn't been around long enough to find out I guess.
I have been using viega copper and plastic press systems for 23 years.
The dimensions have not changed, and neither has the tool.
You can work with it quickly and safely, there is no need to deal with fire protection.
There was a leak in 23 years, but there too a rubber sealing ring broke at the joint, it was just an installation error.
But other than that, there was never a leak.
I welcome you
from Hungary
Why is this tool $1000?
🤔 not really sure. The next model up is over $2000 however it's a very handy tool. If you work with a lot of copper piping it will pay for itself by saving time. Very similar to running steel gas piping and threading each joint and now people using flexible CSST or copper.
It’s not its closer to $2000 and worth every penny
Compression fittings inside walls? No, thanks.
I feel like it's better than a shark bite for sure and very similar to crimped pex which has been used for a couple decades now
Ridgid makes better ProPress
Thanks for the info. Tell us why you think so and what features Ridgid has over Milwaukee
@@PlumbingPartsPro I’ve used both and Ridgid ProPress to me feels like it’s made of better material and craftsmanship is better. In the long run I don’t think Milwaukee would last as long as Ridgid. When it was time to buy a ProPress I gave my hard earned money to Ridgid and honestly I didn’t even consider Milwaukee. Just my $0.02
So.... they are selling the tool plus fittings?
I just want the tool that works with normal pipes 😉
Fancy useless tool 😉
That's just lazy plumbers have all kinds of pipe cutters so why do they need this?
There's all kinds of tools to make things easier or more efficient for plumbers. It can be said that going from cast iron pipe to pvc could be lazy, or galvanized piping to Pex or using a drill instead of a screwdriver. As time passes and technology grows inventions are made to make things more efficient.
definitely too expensive for a diyer, only for the trades.