Mayer is a great guest. One of the few that participates actively and is completely comfortable with them. Pretty ballsy bringing up such a subject to an original SNL writer but it was a great conversation getter. Great episode.
He was not a great guest, and is totally self absorbed. He calls himself an emotional giver which he states is very rare. He's a pompous ass who didn't create a single laugh
I feel like he's been funny and interesting and charismatic in every interview i've seen him in. Interesting guy. He was fantastic when he was on the podcast, Harmontown.
This has given me more therapy than actual therapists. This is a situation I have had with people in a different industry that I have worked in for years, but, for whatever the reason, not at their level. Extraordinarily hurt feelings on my part have been caused by people who are paid to be curious about others but who have literally turned their backs to me after being introduced. Thank you, John and especially Conan.
I've never seen John laugh this much in an interview. Usually he's able to keep a straight face and be the one making other people laugh with his humor. Shows how genuinely funny Conan in his element is and as usual coming up with the most witty and hilarious responses causing John to almost spit out his drink multiple times. Loved this interview.
Conan is such a genius. He picked the most hilarious celebrity to finally “out” by the end. They kept saying they weren’t going to name names, so I knew he had to be thinking of who is the funniest and also most harmless celebrity to clown on 😂
John Mayer's recent reflections on 'Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend' about his interactions with SNL performers got me thinking about the subtleties of Conan's influence. It's fascinating to see someone as renowned as John hold these performers in high regard, a sentiment many of us share towards Conan's world. The dream of meeting Conan and his team is akin to appreciating a tapestry of pop culture they've woven together, where everyone seems connected by a mere degree. Conan's role goes beyond hosting; he's a catalyst in the entertainment landscape. This is subtly echoed in John's experience and in the narratives of countless guests, each intertwined with Conan's legacy. It's a masterclass in influence, barely scratching the surface of his impact on shows like 'The Office' and beyond. In essence, Conan's world is a microcosm of industry interconnections, a subtle yet profound testament to his enduring influence. We've had the fortune of pure legacy and history in the making for the last 30+ years thanks to Conan and his adored crew!
I think John wanted special treatment from SNL which he didn’t get because comedians are like that. They’re mostly awkward and have questionable social skills with highly functioning brain. John has to realize that he’s isn’t worshipped or desirable everywhere. He’s highly intelligent and super talented guitarist artist but seems like he’s still not over his self-appreciating nature and “ Everyone must like me” attitude. It’s almost like he definitely wouldn’t welcome Conan to tour with his band just because Conan knows how to play guitar. Or any other musician for that matter.
It's interesting to see people reach such great heights in their career, like Mayer, and still have a difficult time processing the inescapable fact, that certain people will dislike you no matter what you do, and often for no clear, identifiable reason. The remark Conan made about not putting people on a pedestal is wise. It really queues people up for disappointment. Unless (of course), it's Conan being placed upon the pedestal; that makes sense.
I gotta agree with John on this. I think he's being candid and comedians in general can be a depressed and antisocial lot. Many have said that doing standup requires a certain level of self-hatred. When I shared a house in Hollywood near UCB we had one house party where Horatio Sans stood awkwardly on the front lawn and refused to enter the house with his friends because he said there were ghosts inside. My impression was he was doing it to get attention, but idk, maybe he was on something. I never found out because I didn't feel like standing on the lawn all night.
Bill Hader told a story of meeting Michael Bay at the Playboy Mansion years ago. Pretended he didn’t know who he was after Bay made a snide comment about SNL
I wanted to scream through my Spotify when I listened to this portion of the podcast to John Mayer to let him know why those SNL people were like that to him. It is not because Conan was being protective of those SNL people and being deceptive to John Mayer in his answer. It is because he does not know everything and can only answer from his perspective and experience. Conan is of an older generation of improv artists that don't share the same values as this new breed; and is unaware of the new malicious changes that have crept up in the Inprov communities over the decades. I am in trained in Inprov and have performed improv. And for the last 20 years there have been these rich kids that come in that have elitist attitudes, and learn "yes and" when it comes to performing, but they don't apply it to people they perform with. It is more of the attitude of "no but". These people are competitive; cliquey, and lack compassion and lack empathy for other people beyond their own rich kid cliques. They have infiltrated and taken over the Improv communities; and have gotten onto SNL --- which is why SNL it is become increasingly regressively unfunny over time. Even though Conan went to Harvard and comes from privilege -- he and his generation are the opposite of these people. Improv and comedy for him was never about competition and his own fame --- unlike these brats. Improv and comedy were always about bringing each other up, creating a sense of community, and making people laugh. I am sorry that John Mayer had those unpleasant experiences, but it is not surprising given the current state of improv.
yep and I don't antagonise people who guard because I always attempt to nourish but if my social battery is drained I might come off as forced and insincere or not genuine and unlikeable sometimes too. I think the difference is if the intention to nourish and be polite and open is there even if you feel introverted and fed up with the world, it's good enough because as much of a nihilistic, cynical, despondent teenager I can be, I never intend to mistreat or hurt anybody, I always go out of my way to at least appear respectful. I feel like these are just values that must be instilled in you growing up as a child or in your early 20s when you amp up your social interactions. It sort of goes both ways here, John openly discusses and is self aware of how he is yapping so much that Conan requests to say something on his own podcast, and I assume that he does the same to some SNL alums that might throw them off so I hope he isn't bitter or resentful that people can have a more shielded, defensive or reserved personality.
You know Conan is spot on with not putting SNL on a pedestal in John Mayer’s case. Saying how he was burned by that before. Which I interpret as him meaning when he put the Tonight Show up on a pedestal.
I gotta say, with no disrespect, saying that ‘defenders’ aren’t concerned about it… is not always true. I am a defender and it’s not something I choose, or like. It’s mostly from trauma, and I always feel bad after I talk to most people because all I want in the world is to give.
Yeah I can come off as introverted sometimes so I would never antagonise "defensive" people they're not takers they just don't have the energy in going out of their way to put you on a pedestal, and they shouldn't have to, especially if you're effectively a stranger.
@@Daniel_Zalman oh no, I just imagine him to be the one most likely to be jokingly thrown under the bus by Conan due to the nature of their relationship haha, check their podcast episode out!
@@Daniel_Zalman The opposite actually. Fred is one of the few SNL people who is well-known to be a rather lovely person behind the scenes. That's why it would have been funny for Conan to "out" him.
I think it's simply that John has a large ego and deep insecurities and he's trying to externalize the answers to those. And I like John, a lot. The man gets in his way; it's not SNL.
I wonder if part of what John Mayer has noticed might also come from the ways SNL works. Every week they not only put on a comedy show, but they also have a celebrity host who is often the hottest thing right now, and then also a musical guest who is also a popular touring act putting out an album, maybe nominated for a Grammy this year, etc. And every single week it's another famous host and another musical guest. I wonder if, and I don't fault him for it, but I wonder if *most* people are at least a little excited to meet John Mayer. And I could see SNL people being like "Oh cool. Three nights ago I met Paul McCartney, and 10 nights ago I hung out with Lady Gaga for the second time, and we spent 3 days together working on a bit. But yeah, nice to meet you. Anyway, I think I see my friend over there", and that may come across as less receptive than basically everyone else. Even a touring comedian might see other comedians, or comedic actors, but probably doesn't hang out with Taylor Swift or Beyoncé or Green Day or whoever.
I guess a late show host, like Conan for example, would be the only thing with more exposure than that. Having 2 or 3 famous guests and a musical guest **every night** puts you through a lot of people. I imagine it's difficult to be starstruck pretty quick.
Thought the same. In that industry, where you’re constantly entertaining people and meeting big names in the daily, probably hard to give back on a personal level. Lol happens in everyday life too. Can’t go expecting an experience from everyone, no matter how positive you try to be. I’m a “defender” before i’m a “giver”. Not maliciously, just a matter of energy level. I wouldn’t expect a lot of snl writers, or anyone else for that matter, to have that abundance beyond their work/intended interaction. Life’s stressful lol gotta line up priorities everyday
There's defender and giver, but there's a third category - takers. I feel like defenders don't drain your energy if you just don't need their approval or validation, but takers basically demand it from you or they'll make you feel bad - much more draining than defenders.
Yeah I don't really antagonise defenders because a lot of them just could be reserved introverted everyman type people struggling to keep up with the crazy antics of a rockstar - as much I love Mayer he shouldn't be surprised his personality is difficult for people who aren't fans of his music who can gauge his earnestness, especially when his career in like 2008-13 was filled with the kind of scandals, controversies and egotistical behaviour that SNL performers make a living mocking or impersonating caricatures of.
Normalizing talking about mental health and emotions is a very healthy thing. Good for you John and Conan for talking about it and sharing your experiences!
Not to be all woo woo lol but that's very Libra of him - People pleasing, wanting to be liked, extroverts - You gotta know that there are introverts and you're not gonna vibe with everyone, that's life, lesson learned! Great interview!
There have been times when I have been around comedians whose names you would know, and it can be a very weird experience. Some of them do not know how to "turn off" and you will just be stuck in a bit with them. The irony is impossible to penetrate, and you can leave feeling like something very weird just happened. Sounds like what John is talking about. I have also had experiences where comedians know how to be normal people when they're not performing.
It’s probably really hard to not let success like that go straight to your ego. I’ve even experienced that on a minuscule level and it shifts your view from serving joy to people to taking joy from people for your ego
What is missing from this conversation is the mention of depression and anxiety, I become highly defensive of my energy when I'm not feeling too good about myself. The "Sad clown paradox" is definitely a thing.
Alright, I will say it. I think the type of people Conan is hinting towards (Comedians little bit older than him) are Bill Maher and Jerry Seinfeld, their condescension and smugness isn't really hidden from the world.
They danced around the “Why SNL performers seem to diss John Mayer” question too much…when the answer is just none of the SNL performers probably like his music and are not that excited to meet him. As much as that hurts that’s probably all it is. I’m sure you could think of a ton of huge musical artists that would not phase you an inch if you saw them at a restaurant.
More like they are territorial and fight and claw for every inch, similar to John has to do in music. Also a jealousy factor if you're a one trick pony comedian and see a baby faced guitar assassin slaying poon. Why would they let him in? It would be damn near impossible to crossover
Exactly. He's just another dude at a party to them and this is how they are to their own and others, unless they need to walk on eggshells. A grown man claiming to have his wittle fee fees hurt, especially when hanging around comedians (which all of the greats are inherently angry and intentionally offensive, etc..), seems as though he needs mental help, or he's trying too hard to be relatable to the plebs.
I actually found John Mayer's point about nourishers and defenders incredibly insightful and helpful in navigating my own relationships with people. Whenever someone hurts my feelings I think back to this video and it has helped me avoid a lot of unnecessary emotional pain. And also to show others more grace and kindness. ❤
The energy between John and Conan is electric, even on such a touchy subject about SNL. Please do a musical spin-off, jamming on their guitars and having lots of laughs.
Mayer and COnan are a match made in podcast heaven.. I've always imagined them being n a podcast like this because I always felt that they are in the same wavelength that a conversation between them would sound really interesting.
This sounds like silly high school band club vs drama club. It’s easy John. You’re tall, handsome and insanely talented with music and comedy. It’s just pure immature jealousy.
Mayer is an incredible guitar player and has a great sense of humor, but my guess is that he might come across as trying too hard to be funny around comedians he respects.
I could see that. Yet, I feel like if I met someone at a party whose music sucks as much as Mayer’s I might be instinctively shitty to them. Which is a shame because Mayer seems like a lovely and fun guy despite his deeply terrible music.
The people he’s describing and the interactions he is describing don’t sound like they are “defender’s.” It sounds more like they are still getting energy from other’s but they’re doing it in a way where they make him/someone feel small in order for themselves to feel big. I think they’re definitely taking something for themselves from John/someone during those interactions.
I know exactly what you mean. I’m sort of a giver too and I met an author that I really loved at a book signing, and I left feeling disappointed. I’ve seen her in her podcasts and in interviews and she was very warm and welcoming. When I met her in person, she acted sort of snotty and cold towards me. I realize this was a book signing, and she’d met a bunch of people and was tired. However, it felt like there was something about me that she instantly disliked. It really colored the way I saw her and was very disappointing.
i mean, most SNL comedians are not funny to me, theyre tryhards. mayer has that effortless thing that allows spontaneous creativity, n my guess is they were intimidated by him cause hes a "better" smoother, more effortless more soulful whatever improviser than they are in the grand scheme
Youre a legend. your free guitar expression breakdowns are relatable, and instill confidence in the timid., while still steps ahead of anyone close. We thank you
But why is his son Chet Hanks so messed up? Perhaps jealous that his Father is so kind to everyone & just wanted it all to himself? His older 1/2 siblings & younger brother all seem to be normal, functional adults.
I recall this vividly from when I was studying theater in college. Those types have likely been that way prior to SNL. And the industry doesn’t help. The industry thrives on the competitive system. And it really didn’t help my mental health.
There's a part of me that really hopes every SNL alum that meets John after this is completely over the top welcoming to him. Especially if he's on the show again. Just complete lavishly outpouring of niceness.
This is kind of a stunning question to hear from someone who is clearly self aware and very much a conscious participant in his own uber fame. SNL performers are a mixed group of people, varying levels of fame/etc, yet bonded because they all essentially do the same job in the same place every week. How does John think his road crew or studio engineers feel if/when he socially mixes with them? I remember the lyrics of his song Vultures, which literally places suspicion on those who dare reach out to him.
John I think its because they see you trying it in the comedy world, with Chapelle or without and they are probably thinking: oh he thinks he can do it. It’s jealousy.
I think everyone wants to be liked, celebrities most of all. Their careers are built on it. I can relate to what John said at work. I say hello and smile at coworkers from a certain dept but get the cold shoulder and I don’t know why. It’s like he said, you go “hmmm”. It’s just weird.
@@jjmacalit He was on the radio in high school and it felt like he was the guy girls were 'supposed to like' and I probably was a little jealous and just got the impression he wasn't a 'real musician'. On top of that in college my musician friends really hated him due to rumors so I felt validated. Almost nothing at all to do with him, his music, etc. Just the image and my insecurities from being young
@@sofatimeTV I didn't realize, always brushed him off.until I saw a behind the scenes video about 'New Light' where he passionately talked about making it and a story about princes guitar. I could tell he knew what he was talking about and it spurred me to take his music more seriously and relisten
Hasn't it been said that a lot of comedians attribute their humor to some great struggle or trauma in their life? And if it's true that "hurt people, hurt people", then you may have your answer to why comedians can be hurtful.
I was merely nodding along and smiling from ear to ear this entire interview...Then I heard, "I saw a piece of corn fly off the wheel once," and I busted out in gut-wrenching laughter, alone in my apartment, like a damn psychopath.
Great clip, makes me want to see the whole conversation. I have the feeling being a giver or defender also depends on the day. Sometimes I feel guarded going into an interaction because of how my day(s) went before. During, I get the feeling I am too closed off and the interaction feels good, I actually want to be more open and giving. Sometimes, I can react in time, and sometimes it's too late and I regret. Vice versa I feel it also happens to me the other way around where I am bummed out that someone did not give back as much I wanted them to or how I wanted them to.
SNL is a home for a lot of mean comics/comedy and has been for a while. If you compare the way SNL does comedy schtick vs a british show you'll notice there's A LOT of laughing at somebody humor rather than laughing with somebody about themselves humor. I think that's probably got a lot to do with his experience dealing with those people... there's a whole vibe that goes with that.
Hes a great guitarist who also loves comedy but he just met comedians who are like "this is our world stay on your lane" kind of people. I bet no one would do that to him in a guitar world because he'd run circles around them. I'd bet no one would do that to Conan in the comedy world but in the guitar world, he'll get those attitudes from people.
Energy vampires. That's the only way that I know how to express it. There are people that exude energy, and there are those that suck the energy from whatever surrounds them. And they don't give back. That's the unfortunate part. Energy vampires don't give back and it's exhausting.
The answer is they live in New York but come to LA too often so you expect to face an "LA vibe" and are met with an NYC one. It's easy to forget how rude people in NYC are because once you leave the city you have to "unrude" yourself if you wanna have any friends, but every time I go back and visit I remember "damn people here are really rude." I was too when I lived there. I think that's the reason.
You know John Mayer's from Connecticut, which means he's been to NYC plenty. He also spent 1 year at Berklee College of music in Boston before dropping out. He's definitely familiar w/ those personalities, this goes beyond that.
Conan tries to politely say that they constantly hate each other and backstab each other at SNL, so they are conditioned to be unfriendly bastards. John responds by speaking about their deep comraderie from being in the trenches together, totally missing Conan's implication.
John, if you're reading this, even as a fan and an outsider, I can tell you've done a lot of inner work. Thank you for sharing sharing your music and humour with the world. ❤️
It really shows how comfortable John, and people in general, feel around Conan to be comfortable sharing stuff like this.
Mayer gets it. Never scared of poking fun of himself. Also, Conan is never mean spirited.
Mayer is a great guest. One of the few that participates actively and is completely comfortable with them. Pretty ballsy bringing up such a subject to an original SNL writer but it was a great conversation getter. Great episode.
Conan was not part of the original snl.
@@r3d5ive87 exactly. He was late 80s.
There we go. Well done. He was still close. They started in the mid-late 70's.@@jkap34
He was not a great guest, and is totally self absorbed. He calls himself an emotional giver which he states is very rare. He's a pompous ass who didn't create a single laugh
I feel like he's been funny and interesting and charismatic in every interview i've seen him in. Interesting guy. He was fantastic when he was on the podcast, Harmontown.
This has given me more therapy than actual therapists. This is a situation I have had with people in a different industry that I have worked in for years, but, for whatever the reason, not at their level. Extraordinarily hurt feelings on my part have been caused by people who are paid to be curious about others but who have literally turned their backs to me after being introduced. Thank you, John and especially Conan.
I've never seen John laugh this much in an interview. Usually he's able to keep a straight face and be the one making other people laugh with his humor. Shows how genuinely funny Conan in his element is and as usual coming up with the most witty and hilarious responses causing John to almost spit out his drink multiple times. Loved this interview.
Conan is such a genius. He picked the most hilarious celebrity to finally “out” by the end. They kept saying they weren’t going to name names, so I knew he had to be thinking of who is the funniest and also most harmless celebrity to clown on 😂
John’s appearance with Frank Ocean on SNL playing the song “Pyramids” is one of the most influential musical and SNL performances of my life
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How did nobody say "Ass Wednesday"?
I for sure thought it would be Gourley
I know Conan doesn't like puns, but surely there is an exception for this. It's too good.
How did they say it’s in E, when clearly it should be *in A*.
John Mayer's recent reflections on 'Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend' about his interactions with SNL performers got me thinking about the subtleties of Conan's influence. It's fascinating to see someone as renowned as John hold these performers in high regard, a sentiment many of us share towards Conan's world. The dream of meeting Conan and his team is akin to appreciating a tapestry of pop culture they've woven together, where everyone seems connected by a mere degree.
Conan's role goes beyond hosting; he's a catalyst in the entertainment landscape. This is subtly echoed in John's experience and in the narratives of countless guests, each intertwined with Conan's legacy. It's a masterclass in influence, barely scratching the surface of his impact on shows like 'The Office' and beyond. In essence, Conan's world is a microcosm of industry interconnections, a subtle yet profound testament to his enduring influence.
We've had the fortune of pure legacy and history in the making for the last 30+ years thanks to Conan and his adored crew!
love this!
I love you! and Conan lol :)@@darendy888
Wow that was very well spoken 👏
I think John wanted special treatment from SNL which he didn’t get because comedians are like that. They’re mostly awkward and have questionable social skills with highly functioning brain. John has to realize that he’s isn’t worshipped or desirable everywhere. He’s highly intelligent and super talented guitarist artist but seems like he’s still not over his self-appreciating nature and “ Everyone must like me” attitude. It’s almost like he definitely wouldn’t welcome Conan to tour with his band just because Conan knows how to play guitar. Or any other musician for that matter.
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It's interesting to see people reach such great heights in their career, like Mayer, and still have a difficult time processing the inescapable fact, that certain people will dislike you no matter what you do, and often for no clear, identifiable reason. The remark Conan made about not putting people on a pedestal is wise. It really queues people up for disappointment. Unless (of course), it's Conan being placed upon the pedestal; that makes sense.
Mayer needs to have the stones to not care. It's a sign of insecurity.
I listened to the full audio podcast, and it is one of the funniest, most entertaining episodes I’ve heard. Conan and John have a great chemistry.
Same 💯 agree with you
I gotta agree with John on this. I think he's being candid and comedians in general can be a depressed and antisocial lot. Many have said that doing standup requires a certain level of self-hatred. When I shared a house in Hollywood near UCB we had one house party where Horatio Sans stood awkwardly on the front lawn and refused to enter the house with his friends because he said there were ghosts inside. My impression was he was doing it to get attention, but idk, maybe he was on something. I never found out because I didn't feel like standing on the lawn all night.
Bill Hader told a story of meeting Michael Bay at the Playboy Mansion years ago. Pretended he didn’t know who he was after Bay made a snide comment about SNL
Micheal Bay definitely is not a nice person
@@onlyiforgive5083except by his own account, Michael was very nice.
@@onlyiforgive5083of course he's not a good person, he keeps blowing things up all the time
I wanted to scream through my Spotify when I listened to this portion of the podcast to John Mayer to let him know why those SNL people were like that to him.
It is not because Conan was being protective of those SNL people and being deceptive to John Mayer in his answer. It is because he does not know everything and can only answer from his perspective and experience.
Conan is of an older generation of improv artists that don't share the same values as this new breed; and is unaware of the new malicious changes that have crept up in the Inprov communities over the decades.
I am in trained in Inprov and have performed improv. And for the last 20 years there have been these rich kids that come in that have elitist attitudes, and learn "yes and" when it comes to performing, but they don't apply it to people they perform with. It is more of the attitude of "no but".
These people are competitive; cliquey, and lack compassion and lack empathy for other people beyond their own rich kid cliques.
They have infiltrated and taken over the Improv communities; and have gotten onto SNL --- which is why SNL it is become increasingly regressively unfunny over time.
Even though Conan went to Harvard and comes from privilege -- he and his generation are the opposite of these people. Improv and comedy for him was never about competition and his own fame --- unlike these brats. Improv and comedy were always about bringing each other up, creating a sense of community, and making people laugh.
I am sorry that John Mayer had those unpleasant experiences, but it is not surprising given the current state of improv.
THANK YOU!! People need to start talking about this!
Did you know John Mayer was inspired to make music after he listened to the slipnuts
Huh. I thought he was inspired by the youthful antics of Stacey Richter.
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I thought he was inspired by Clay Cook who wrote most of his early hits.
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makes sense, the slipnuts are legends. did you know they even opened for slipknot once
11:45 when John starts diving deeper into the Sharing of energy vs the Guarding of energy, oh man did I connect and vibe with that 100000%
The ones who spread positive vibes vs. the ones who are draining your energy.
Sona vs. (Screen-) Jordan?
i didn't, maybe because i'm very cool
Yes that
Except the part where he said he was a sharer and not many people are so hes rare. He's a narcissistic douchebag
yep and I don't antagonise people who guard because I always attempt to nourish but if my social battery is drained I might come off as forced and insincere or not genuine and unlikeable sometimes too. I think the difference is if the intention to nourish and be polite and open is there even if you feel introverted and fed up with the world, it's good enough because as much of a nihilistic, cynical, despondent teenager I can be, I never intend to mistreat or hurt anybody, I always go out of my way to at least appear respectful. I feel like these are just values that must be instilled in you growing up as a child or in your early 20s when you amp up your social interactions. It sort of goes both ways here, John openly discusses and is self aware of how he is yapping so much that Conan requests to say something on his own podcast, and I assume that he does the same to some SNL alums that might throw them off so I hope he isn't bitter or resentful that people can have a more shielded, defensive or reserved personality.
You know Conan is spot on with not putting SNL on a pedestal in John Mayer’s case. Saying how he was burned by that before. Which I interpret as him meaning when he put the Tonight Show up on a pedestal.
This clip is such a wonderful microcosm of everything Conan's show has to offer - deep, meaningful conversations with chaotic hilarity strewn about.
I gotta say, with no disrespect, saying that ‘defenders’ aren’t concerned about it… is not always true.
I am a defender and it’s not something I choose, or like. It’s mostly from trauma, and I always feel bad after I talk to most people because all I want in the world is to give.
I recognize I’m a downer. I just can’t tell when I’m doing it. I hate it.
This 100%
Yeah I can come off as introverted sometimes so I would never antagonise "defensive" people they're not takers they just don't have the energy in going out of their way to put you on a pedestal, and they shouldn't have to, especially if you're effectively a stranger.
I was wondering for the entire video who Conan would jokingly throw under the bus.
I was just waiting for him to drop Fred Armisen right in there 😂
Same!!!
@@mohitsarchives Fred's known to be a jerk?
@@Daniel_Zalman oh no, I just imagine him to be the one most likely to be jokingly thrown under the bus by Conan due to the nature of their relationship haha, check their podcast episode out!
@@Daniel_Zalman The opposite actually. Fred is one of the few SNL people who is well-known to be a rather lovely person behind the scenes. That's why it would have been funny for Conan to "out" him.
I think it's simply that John has a large ego and deep insecurities and he's trying to externalize the answers to those. And I like John, a lot. The man gets in his way; it's not SNL.
I wonder if part of what John Mayer has noticed might also come from the ways SNL works. Every week they not only put on a comedy show, but they also have a celebrity host who is often the hottest thing right now, and then also a musical guest who is also a popular touring act putting out an album, maybe nominated for a Grammy this year, etc. And every single week it's another famous host and another musical guest. I wonder if, and I don't fault him for it, but I wonder if *most* people are at least a little excited to meet John Mayer. And I could see SNL people being like "Oh cool. Three nights ago I met Paul McCartney, and 10 nights ago I hung out with Lady Gaga for the second time, and we spent 3 days together working on a bit. But yeah, nice to meet you. Anyway, I think I see my friend over there", and that may come across as less receptive than basically everyone else.
Even a touring comedian might see other comedians, or comedic actors, but probably doesn't hang out with Taylor Swift or Beyoncé or Green Day or whoever.
I guess a late show host, like Conan for example, would be the only thing with more exposure than that. Having 2 or 3 famous guests and a musical guest **every night** puts you through a lot of people. I imagine it's difficult to be starstruck pretty quick.
Thought the same. In that industry, where you’re constantly entertaining people and meeting big names in the daily, probably hard to give back on a personal level. Lol happens in everyday life too. Can’t go expecting an experience from everyone, no matter how positive you try to be. I’m a “defender” before i’m a “giver”. Not maliciously, just a matter of energy level. I wouldn’t expect a lot of snl writers, or anyone else for that matter, to have that abundance beyond their work/intended interaction. Life’s stressful lol gotta line up priorities everyday
He sounds like a dad talking to his sons friend 😊
Your dad plays guitar?!? *secret crush on friends mom*
There's defender and giver, but there's a third category - takers. I feel like defenders don't drain your energy if you just don't need their approval or validation, but takers basically demand it from you or they'll make you feel bad - much more draining than defenders.
Yeah I don't really antagonise defenders because a lot of them just could be reserved introverted everyman type people struggling to keep up with the crazy antics of a rockstar - as much I love Mayer he shouldn't be surprised his personality is difficult for people who aren't fans of his music who can gauge his earnestness, especially when his career in like 2008-13 was filled with the kind of scandals, controversies and egotistical behaviour that SNL performers make a living mocking or impersonating caricatures of.
Damn therapy session for John Mayer on these past videos lol 😅
as John has stated himself. He's an introverted sensitive extrovert 😅
John Mayer interviews always bring me out of my depressive episodes! Yay!
Loving the vulnerability of this discussion! This is a shared human experience.
Normalizing talking about mental health and emotions is a very healthy thing. Good for you John and Conan for talking about it and sharing your experiences!
John Mayor has strong lil bro energy, I would have to tease him too irrespective of my feelings about his work
Conan needs to be a late show host again. I really him in that setting 😢
hes getting good at the beer ads. the fast part at the end of the ad was perfecto
It was hilarious
Not to be all woo woo lol but that's very Libra of him - People pleasing, wanting to be liked, extroverts - You gotta know that there are introverts and you're not gonna vibe with everyone, that's life, lesson learned! Great interview!
There have been times when I have been around comedians whose names you would know, and it can be a very weird experience. Some of them do not know how to "turn off" and you will just be stuck in a bit with them. The irony is impossible to penetrate, and you can leave feeling like something very weird just happened. Sounds like what John is talking about. I have also had experiences where comedians know how to be normal people when they're not performing.
I can't wait for the rest of the clips to drop!
theres a whole podcast thats out now
@@PeterZeeke shush. You're ruining it for him
I want to be able to watch video of the entire podcast episode. That would be great
It’s probably really hard to not let success like that go straight to your ego. I’ve even experienced that on a minuscule level and it shifts your view from serving joy to people to taking joy from people for your ego
Very true
That's true, but most SNL cast members do not have great careers after they leave the show.
Many do, but not most
good point @@thedude4672
What is missing from this conversation is the mention of depression and anxiety, I become highly defensive of my energy when I'm not feeling too good about myself. The "Sad clown paradox" is definitely a thing.
Alright, I will say it. I think the type of people Conan is hinting towards (Comedians little bit older than him) are Bill Maher and Jerry Seinfeld, their condescension and smugness isn't really hidden from the world.
oh you might be right
They danced around the “Why SNL performers seem to diss John Mayer” question too much…when the answer is just none of the SNL performers probably like his music and are not that excited to meet him.
As much as that hurts that’s probably all it is. I’m sure you could think of a ton of huge musical artists that would not phase you an inch if you saw them at a restaurant.
I disagree
More like they are territorial and fight and claw for every inch, similar to John has to do in music. Also a jealousy factor if you're a one trick pony comedian and see a baby faced guitar assassin slaying poon. Why would they let him in? It would be damn near impossible to crossover
Exactly. He's just another dude at a party to them and this is how they are to their own and others, unless they need to walk on eggshells. A grown man claiming to have his wittle fee fees hurt, especially when hanging around comedians (which all of the greats are inherently angry and intentionally offensive, etc..), seems as though he needs mental help, or he's trying too hard to be relatable to the plebs.
I never heard John Mayer laugh that hard. 😂 10:12
John's laugh is iconic
Two of my favorites together. This was such a treat. Thank you!
I actually found John Mayer's point about nourishers and defenders incredibly insightful and helpful in navigating my own relationships with people. Whenever someone hurts my feelings I think back to this video and it has helped me avoid a lot of unnecessary emotional pain. And also to show others more grace and kindness. ❤
The energy between John and Conan is electric, even on such a touchy subject about SNL. Please do a musical spin-off, jamming on their guitars and having lots of laughs.
snl thing, it’s obviously about jealously John’s extremely talented, good looking, intelligent, funny and he gets to live in Montana.
Also has all of his hair at 46 and he is tall😂
@@kristnpmi2786 Tall is key
His hair is great, I could go on ..
I would have laughed IMMEDIATELY after John asked that question cause I couldn't tell if he was being funny or not. Good save by Conan.
Mayer and COnan are a match made in podcast heaven.. I've always imagined them being n a podcast like this because I always felt that they are in the same wavelength that a conversation between them would sound really interesting.
This sounds like silly high school band club vs drama club. It’s easy John. You’re tall, handsome and insanely talented with music and comedy. It’s just pure immature jealousy.
For some people self reflection could be the key to happiness.
I would say for most people.
Like Socrates said, the unexamined life is not worth living
I feel nourished after watching this!
Mayer is an incredible guitar player and has a great sense of humor, but my guess is that he might come across as trying too hard to be funny around comedians he respects.
I could see that. Yet, I feel like if I met someone at a party whose music sucks as much as Mayer’s I might be instinctively shitty to them. Which is a shame because Mayer seems like a lovely and fun guy despite his deeply terrible music.
@@GregorBarclay I dont know.. I think he's got some pretty bad pop songs from his early career, but he also has some pretty good songs as well..
The people he’s describing and the interactions he is describing don’t sound like they are “defender’s.” It sounds more like they are still getting energy from other’s but they’re doing it in a way where they make him/someone feel small in order for themselves to feel big. I think they’re definitely taking something for themselves from John/someone during those interactions.
He seems like a likable dude. I dont remember much, but he guest hosted an episode of TMZ a while back and was pretty funny.
I know exactly what you mean. I’m sort of a giver too and I met an author that I really loved at a book signing, and I left feeling disappointed. I’ve seen her in her podcasts and in interviews and she was very warm and welcoming. When I met her in person, she acted sort of snotty and cold towards me. I realize this was a book signing, and she’d met a bunch of people and was tired. However, it felt like there was something about me that she instantly disliked. It really colored the way I saw her and was very disappointing.
I will never watch Wheel of Fortune the same way again 😂
i mean, most SNL comedians are not funny to me, theyre tryhards. mayer has that effortless thing that allows spontaneous creativity, n my guess is they were intimidated by him cause hes a "better" smoother, more effortless more soulful whatever improviser than they are in the grand scheme
Youre a legend. your free guitar expression breakdowns are relatable, and instill confidence in the timid., while still steps ahead of anyone close. We thank you
11:20…..there’s your lyric right there, lol.😂🤣❤
we need a Tom Hanks school of etiquette
Every Tom Hanks movie is a lesson in the Tom Hanks School of Etiquette
But why is his son Chet Hanks so messed up? Perhaps jealous that his Father is so kind to everyone & just wanted it all to himself? His older 1/2 siblings & younger brother all seem to be normal, functional adults.
huh?@@Kitty8791
I recall this vividly from when I was studying theater in college. Those types have likely been that way prior to SNL. And the industry doesn’t help. The industry thrives on the competitive system. And it really didn’t help my mental health.
There's a part of me that really hopes every SNL alum that meets John after this is completely over the top welcoming to him. Especially if he's on the show again. Just complete lavishly outpouring of niceness.
The funny thing is, John Mayer is so much better at his thing than the SNL bunch are at theirs
This is the best interview I've seen John on. We really get to understand him in this format
Yeah Mayer to me was one of the best guests on the podcast. Loved this episode! ❤
This is kind of a stunning question to hear from someone who is clearly self aware and very much a conscious participant in his own uber fame. SNL performers are a mixed group of people, varying levels of fame/etc, yet bonded because they all essentially do the same job in the same place every week. How does John think his road crew or studio engineers feel if/when he socially mixes with them? I remember the lyrics of his song Vultures, which literally places suspicion on those who dare reach out to him.
SNL cast probably sees so many celebs that it's boring.
"Ass Wednesday" - The new hit single by Conan (feat. John Mayer)
John I think its because they see you trying it in the comedy world, with Chapelle or without and they are probably thinking: oh he thinks he can do it. It’s jealousy.
I think everyone wants to be liked, celebrities most of all. Their careers are built on it. I can relate to what John said at work. I say hello and smile at coworkers from a certain dept but get the cold shoulder and I don’t know why. It’s like he said, you go “hmmm”. It’s just weird.
Seems like both of them have someone in mind, but can't say the name 😂
Rhymes with Billy Nallon...
@@baxtronx5972and bill hader 🤣😂
Maybe it's they aren't good comedians and aren't nice people and John is an excellent musician and seemingly nice person.
I hated John Mayer until I started listening to interviews with him and I like him now
What did you hate about him at the beginning? Did it stem from rumors?
He's one of the greatest technical blues musicians, ever.
Why? Knew he was OK all those years ago on Chappelle. Good dude
@@jjmacalit He was on the radio in high school and it felt like he was the guy girls were 'supposed to like' and I probably was a little jealous and just got the impression he wasn't a 'real musician'.
On top of that in college my musician friends really hated him due to rumors so I felt validated.
Almost nothing at all to do with him, his music, etc. Just the image and my insecurities from being young
@@sofatimeTV I didn't realize, always brushed him off.until I saw a behind the scenes video about 'New Light' where he passionately talked about making it and a story about princes guitar. I could tell he knew what he was talking about and it spurred me to take his music more seriously and relisten
Just put the entire episode up on RUclips. You can advertise the hell out of it, just give the fans what they want.
Hasn't it been said that a lot of comedians attribute their humor to some great struggle or trauma in their life? And if it's true that "hurt people, hurt people", then you may have your answer to why comedians can be hurtful.
I saw only a brief interview with him once, decades ago, but I was struck by how cold and unfriendly Bob Hope was.
From old days- Lucille Ball was quite the mean lady.
I was merely nodding along and smiling from ear to ear this entire interview...Then I heard, "I saw a piece of corn fly off the wheel once," and I busted out in gut-wrenching laughter, alone in my apartment, like a damn psychopath.
It comes down to people are usually great one on one but sucks when they are part of a group
John is a really good guest. Super cool and smart.
Very insightful and relatable!
No doubt in my mind Conan was thinking about Chevy Chase as shitfinger jones.
This hits a nerve for Sajak - or, as he was known in middle school, Old Sh!twheel.
Great clip, makes me want to see the whole conversation.
I have the feeling being a giver or defender also depends on the day. Sometimes I feel guarded going into an interaction because of how my day(s) went before. During, I get the feeling I am too closed off and the interaction feels good, I actually want to be more open and giving. Sometimes, I can react in time, and sometimes it's too late and I regret.
Vice versa I feel it also happens to me the other way around where I am bummed out that someone did not give back as much I wanted them to or how I wanted them to.
Oh he missed the opportunity for "ASS WEDNESDAY" @10:00
genius.
It's called jealousy, John Mayer. jealousy from lackluster performers
SNL is a home for a lot of mean comics/comedy and has been for a while. If you compare the way SNL does comedy schtick vs a british show you'll notice there's A LOT of laughing at somebody humor rather than laughing with somebody about themselves humor. I think that's probably got a lot to do with his experience dealing with those people... there's a whole vibe that goes with that.
Hes a great guitarist who also loves comedy but he just met comedians who are like "this is our world stay on your lane" kind of people. I bet no one would do that to him in a guitar world because he'd run circles around them. I'd bet no one would do that to Conan in the comedy world but in the guitar world, he'll get those attitudes from people.
I actually like this Miller commercial segment... I don't even jump through it like I always do on ads 😂
8:58 clearly it's in "A"
Every time I watch a john mayer interview I learn a new word
Energy vampires. That's the only way that I know how to express it. There are people that exude energy, and there are those that suck the energy from whatever surrounds them. And they don't give back. That's the unfortunate part. Energy vampires don't give back and it's exhausting.
Yassssss been waiting for this to happen for so looooong
The answer is they live in New York but come to LA too often so you expect to face an "LA vibe" and are met with an NYC one. It's easy to forget how rude people in NYC are because once you leave the city you have to "unrude" yourself if you wanna have any friends, but every time I go back and visit I remember "damn people here are really rude." I was too when I lived there. I think that's the reason.
You know John Mayer's from Connecticut, which means he's been to NYC plenty. He also spent 1 year at Berklee College of music in Boston before dropping out. He's definitely familiar w/ those personalities, this goes beyond that.
@@Kitty8791 This is documentary material.
@@mateolamuno6629 It gives context to why your theory is unlikely. Also glad you enjoyed your free dose of education. 😉
No matter who the guest in this show is, SNL almost always manages to be brought up
12:26 everything goes of the rails and it's comedy nuclear bomb😂😂😂
Conan tries to politely say that they constantly hate each other and backstab each other at SNL, so they are conditioned to be unfriendly bastards. John responds by speaking about their deep comraderie from being in the trenches together, totally missing Conan's implication.
I never thought of it this way in terms of energy. I'm definitely a giver
Did John Mayer play Albert on Little House on the Prairie?
To John’s point, I began as a nourisher, giving energy away, but I noticed that no one gave back… Which transformed me into being stingy.
All I want now is Conan to go on Wheel Of Fortune.
A piece of corn falling off the wheel of fortune lol....Conan riffing at his best 👌
Conan has never had a Miller light in his life 😂 please. “my guess is they’ve got miller lite” 😂
Miller Lite is gross.
Sam Adams and Guinness are great
Conan's Miller Lite commercial. 😂😂😂
Despite the stutter, I didn't realize John Mayer was so eloquently spoken.
John, if you're reading this, even as a fan and an outsider, I can tell you've done a lot of inner work. Thank you for sharing sharing your music and humour with the world. ❤️