It is wonderful to see a father and son have an intelligent debate over something they share a loving interest in. This is an opportunity to start a new series of videos. How about a side by side tasting: Father and Son tasting and rating together.
I'm born and raised in the South so I was grew up drinking bourbon but after a few years after college, I began drinking scotch and it has been my favorite ever since. My favorite scotch is from Islay (Laphroaig, Ardbeg, Lagavulin, etc)
I like all whiskeys. I love the variation and the process involved in making them. I am amazed by Japans whiskeys as well. The Hibiki 12 is just amazing.
There's a huge misconception with age statements in relation to quality. Most people who likes scotch think the older the better. They Look at Bourbon as less then, because it's not aged as long as their favorite Scotch. There is a reason for this; whiskey matures based on heat and temperature change. I.e. the hotter it is the faster it ages. (The barrel breaths in & out the whiskey). The reason bourbon isn't aged as long (although there are a handful aged 10 to 25 years) is because Kentucky sees very long hot summers & short cold winters. Scotland's climate is much more moist & cooler (by comparison) all year round, so the whisky takes longer to mature. Scotland also uses used casks to age their spirits (old bourbon & sherry casks) so that also adds to the misconception. Bourbon can only use new white oak casks.
@@whynottalklikeapirat No. It can't win. It's a very subjective topic which means that everyone likes different things. There is no possible way to just decide which one is better for everyone. I personally love bourbon and think that scotch tastes pretty much the same from every distillery, BUT i know that it's only my palette that makes me think that and i have respect for people who enjoy scotch, except for whiskey elitists such as you.
Old school versus new school! I love it! I definitely enjoy the complexity of scotch, although you cannot ignore bourban as an interesting contrast -- maybe they can learn from eachother! Though, I'd much rather see scotch distilleries stick to their roots because that's the foundation of their identity. Chill filtering seems nearly pointless and caramel colouring is a gimmick, for sure. Everybody knows that the taste is what matters!
i love all whisky...depends on my mood. tonight I felt like a smokey Lagavulin 16. tomorrow I may want a col eh taylor small batch. one thing is for sure. I rarely ever stray from whiskey!!
I got into whisk(e)y a little over 10 years ago - primarily single malt scotch. I've been a 'scotch snob' up until 8 months ago when I decided to give my fellow Americans a try (in the past I've had numerous drams of the 'usual suspects' Jack Daniels, Jim Beam, and Maker's Mark, and none have been too impressive). Wasn't until I purchased a bottle of Evan Williams Single Barrel from Costco for $20 that my opinion of bourbon changed...From that point I found myself enjoying the variety of Kentucky bourbon, and Tennessee whisky more so than single malt scotch for numerous reasons. Fresh 1st fill casks, no artificial coloring, abv usually 45% or more, there's no 'NAS' price gouging, and bourbon here in the USA is a fraction of the cost of single malts from Scotland. Again - nothing against whiskey from Scotland - just that now I'm seeing much of what they have to offer is vastly overrated.
Really enjoyed the father/son debate. It would be great for you to do a series of duo tasting where you both give opinions. As a consumer who's relatively new to this world, I often hunt around for at least a couple of opinions before deciding to go ahead with a purchase. A duo tasting and discussion would be fantastic. Thanks, guys - great video.
Scotch of course has a connotation with luxury and with the upper classes. So some of the fools in this comments section will choose Scotch just to prove how "classy" they are. With that said, the best whiskys I've tasted have been Scotches, but so too were the worst (way too rich, syrupy, unbalanced, whatever). Bourbons seems to have a higher "bottom shelf" than Scotches do. Even "bad" bourbons were decent bourbons.
I love scotch and bourbons. I drink bourbons because I'm an American. Might be weird to some, but I like putting money back to my fellow countryman that make a fine spirit!
that really updated my journal - couldn't agree with you more. It's only because of pop culture that Scotch is looked at as superior (and classier) to bourbon. Obviously these naysayers haven't tried anything from Buffalo Traces Antique Line (pappy van winkle, George T Stagg, etc)
Scotch is better, because overall taste is better. It really has great cheap examples as well. Like Teachers. The overall variations give way for bad productions, but you compare the two with good examples, not bad ones. Comparing Jack Daniel's and Bell's is pointless. When the higher end products are the issue, scotch is just better. I've never, tasted a bourbon like a Macallan. Or Lagavulin or Glenlivet. Now I'm not saying bourbon is bad, nor I'm saying I don't enjoy it. It's just not that complex. My favourite bourbon is Maker's Mark by the way. Great stuff. There are a lot of American bourbons around. But nothing beats a single malt.
Personally I find Scotch to ve the better type of drink. However, as others have said a great scotch in America can easily cost 400 dollars. Where as I can get a great bottle of burbon for 50 no problem.
are there any aged scotches that is "virgin oak" like used in bourbons? Im interested to try some if there's any. Also I'm not crazy about bourbon because of astringency taste
I thoroughly enjoyed your debate. Frankly I am a fan of both Horst and Benedikt and I naturally root for each of you in turn. I personally favor Scotch over Bourbon but i am still purchasing and trying a variety of bourbon to make sure I experience the best of the bourbon side of this debate. I think both of you did a great job. I really like it when the debate takes on a humorous angle. I would encourage further debating or discussion videos which play on the humorous topics that we encounter. Thank you. We appreciate your talents and your insight on the whisky topics.
once you get a real taste for bourbon its hard to go back. it does tend to be a more simple palate, but thats part of the charm. it usually doesnt overload the tastebuds like scotch tends to.
I recently tried Wooford and Lagavulin16 for the first time in my life. Woodford was nice but Lagavulin16 was a drinking experience I had never lived before in my life.
I'm on Dad's side in this debate. While there are a few Bourbons I like neat, for me, most are better mixed with ginger ale. The wide variety of flavors in Scotch keeps me on a never ending search for the next new flavor and smell. Bourbons all seem quite similar to me.
MiserablerHurensohn - try Bookers Uncut & Unfiltered. Your opinion may change. It's readily available & was the first barrel strength bourbon on the market
easily, I try about 20 Bourbon and I'm definitely a Scotland Highland Whisky fan, a bit of speyside and Islay too. I use bourbon in my recipes but never a Scotland single malt!
+RagingUtai no way! Like I said before, Scotch tastes much better. But no caramel coloring, aged in new barrels (unlike scotch), bigger bottles hehe, etc etc. but like me say it again, scotch tastes better, but man oh bourbon is priced well and everything. And scotch nowadays is killing me with the NAS!
I have a deep appreciation for both. One isn't better than the other. They're different drinking experiences. Bourbon or Scotch, either one is good for me. I also have an appreciation for Irish whiskey. My least favourite is Canadian rye. I am Canadian. Rye is best served mixed. Not really something I'll drink neat. While I certainly would not turn down a shot of good quality rye, I don't go out of my way to pick up a bottle to bring home. Great video, guys!
They both have places on my shelf....Woodford Reserve is super smooth and The Glendronach 12 has amazing full sherry maturation and of course always time for a smouldering hospital floor Islay.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!. With you, I learn about whiskey and you also speak such clear English that it helps me learn your language. Thank you from Spain!! (I prefer bourbon 😂😂😂)
+Jason Lieberthal -- And at least in North America (where I am) "really good scotch" is very expensive. Bourbon and rye represent much better value for money. I know Horst has said in other videos that he prefers scotch to bourbon, but I have also noted his tendency to review old and very expensive scotch much more often than he reviews the cheaper scotch. It is easy to be a scotch snob when you can afford to stick to bottles that cost hundreds or even thousands of dollars.
+Richard Bostan Highland Park 12 on Horst's table is only $50 here in Canada AB and probably even cheaper in the States. It is very good scotch, one of the best in this price range. And there are many other scotch brands that are very good and around $50 in price.
+VoidedTea -- I am in British Columbia (which is in Canada, I say for the benefit of non-Canadians reading this). Highland Park 12 sells for $71.00 here, and I don't think it is good at all. I know I am not the only person who thinks that about HP 12, because in the 2015 edition of Jim Murray's Whisky Bible he gives it a rather low rating (78). Murray gives very high grades to the HP 18 and HP 25, but in British Columbia those are priced at $174 and $460 respectively. Am I going to pay either of those prices for a single bottle of whisky? Absolutely not! To date, the whisky I have given my highest rating to (a rating of 93) is Booker's Bourbon, which is $60 in British Columbia. Even Horst likes Booker's.:) Look up the review Horst did for it, if you haven't seen it already.
+Jack Dry guess what bourbon is...a different whiskey. not everyone likes the peat smoke in their drink. i also personally take umbridge with the fact you pay $50+ for "good" scotch and its watered down to 40% abv and pumped with caramel coloring so it less resembles all that water that just polluted it. i dont have that problem with $50+ bourbon. In this price range they are usually aged to 10+ years as well, come in at 50% abv have ZERO misleading coloring added and the taste and mouthfeel is feel wonferful and complex. mouthfeel especially. i like scotch but this deference paid to it like they are the only purveyors of fine whiskey at affordable prices is ludicrous.
Jason Lieberthal - very true!! Most scotch I've had tasted like bandaids (medicinal). They were no bottom shelf stuff either; Glennfiddich 14 single malt, Johnny Walker Blue Label.
Great job on the debate. Old school vs new school of thought. Both are good spirits. All depends on personal preference. Glad the world has a choices. It would be very interesting to see this on individual tastings.
With Scotch less is more - Bourbon, plan on drinking half the bottle and you may just end up sick. I see it almost as a quality vs quantity thing in some regards. Very different spirits. Fine bourbon is nice, but a fine Scotch is much more complex and a different type of experience.
C C - how Irish are you? If you drink half a bottle of anything that's high in ABV you will end up sick (or drunk). Fine bourbon is a slow sipping spirit. The premium stuff is hard to drink in mass quantity, because of the high proof (100 - 136 proof)
Ben is good )) If i did not tried any whisky before after this video i would go with bourbon whisky, but ofcourse i like all the whiskies and gins and rums and tequilas and cognacs and calvadoses )😃
just seeing this for the first time, yesterday drinking glenmorangie and today makers., my lord! yesteday i said this very good and today im drinking the makers and im like this is very good. thats my answer
very difficult in the united states to have whisky in the cask for a long time, our seasons are much more extreme than those in scottland. We are looking for ways to keep whisky in the cask longer, the scotts are looking for ways to get it out sooner, both without sacrificing quality. Just look at the color on a 5 year bourbon, and compare it to the color on a 12 year scotch.
btw i drink all types of whiskey. te bheag is a fantastic inexpensive scotch and always a bottle on hand. wild Turkey 101 is a great inexpensive burbon.
My opinion is this. It depends on the palate and also depending on what you are feeling taste on whatever day you decide to have a glass. Both bourbon and scotch typically have the same notes depending but it develops new flavors as it ages. You can mix bourbon with many different casks after using the white charred oak for a few years and typically when you have a bourbon aged for as long as say a scotch. In my opinion it has more complexity and flavor. Bourbon is very adaptable as is scotch. Each different type of bottle has different tastes at the end of the day so it is pretty much a draw. Depends on what you are feeling to taste
I'm late to this discussion, as I've only gotten into tasting and collecting since July 2016. But my first whisky was in Edinburgh, the Glenfiddich 12, and even then the light peatness made me wince. Since then I've had owned non-peated Scotches (Auchentoshan, Glenmorangie, Glen Moray, Speyburn and others). And yes, I do feel there is more interesting, delicate and complex flavor varieties in Scotch. But three things: 1. I'm still too sensitive to the smoky medicinal quality of Scotch, 2. Scotch is too expensive for my budget and 3. Simply put, my taste buds have an orgasm when I taste a good bourbon. I'll buy whatever my taste is drawn to, and right now my collection is 75% bourbon. And many excellent bourbons (Wild Turkey 101, Evan Williams BiB, Weller Antique, etc. ) are under $30 don't break the bank like Scotch would. But talk to me in a couple of years, my tastes may change!
"Do you use your tea bag twice?" Well technically to get varying flavors of tea, you do brew it 5-10 times depending on the tea. With that said, I'm a fan of the reusing of casks. It allows the flavor to mature compared to bourbon. Though I love both for two different reasons
+kimkishineegirl you brew teabag 5 times you have lost your mind. This only aplies to aged loose leaf tea. you definitely have good results from loose leaf at first and second brewing... after that it really depends.
Cypeq First time? Best results? No way! When I talk about tea bags...I talk about my own prepared tea bags which I buy from a good friend of mine whose family in China actually makes oolongs. The first brew of tea is the worst as the flavor and the aroma has not fully bloomed. This is why we awaken the tea and throw out the first brewing. It's only by the second brewing do we actually drink it. Tea tastes better the more its brewed (for greens approx. 5, for oolongs maybe 5-10 and blacks 10-15...matcha is a totally different story). The flavors deepen as the tea gradually awakens. The true flavor of the tea comes out after the first few brews. And "aged loose leaf" depends. You most certainly do not want to age Japanese green teas or any green tea for that matter. Now if you're talking about pu-erh, than you can brew that shit for 10-15 times before the flavor is gone. You must be brewing your tea too long if the flavor goes away by the third brew.
kimkishineegirl hey lucky you. I'm a big fan of oolong myself. Of course you know they mean teabags like 'lipton' with tea powder inside. I also discard first brew... it's wetting the leaves I don't even put that much water when doing that. I would not count it. You are right I brew my oolong and and black too long but than again I like it go strong and slightly bitter. That's a preference. I brew green similar to what you describe, and it really can go the distance, but it's delicate flavours are not my favourite.
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I agree with a few other comments in that bourbon tends to have better cheap or 'middle of the road' offerings while scotch tends to get a lot better past the $50-$60 price point - that's when scotch really starts to shine. Bourbon does too of course but not quite as much in my opinion. Either way I've got to have at least a few bottles of both. I'm not a fan of Canadian or Irish whiskey and I've never tried Japanese, nor do I intend to tbh.
Love the whiskey reviews guys.....but Scotch vs Bourbon!?.........Scotch is great to drink neat and as long as there is Cola and other mixers, Bourbon will always have a market! If you want a proper competition then it has to be Irish vs Scotch!
+TheJusnic82 I felt the same - however there are some really nice bourbons that aren't quite so sweet (in my humble opinion) ie Elijah Craig 12 yr, Maker's 46, Maker's Cask Strength, and Buffalo Trace.
TheJusnic82 - try Bookers Uncut & Unfiltered (126 proof and up). Sweet usually isn't a common bourbon characteristic, may I ask what you tried in terms of Bourbon that gave you that notion? Usually spice comes to mind with bourbon/rye.
I love Scotch and I prefer but the other whiskeys are great too. I don't bash the other ones because Maker's Mark is also a really great whiskey and I also really like Red Breast
Bourbon has a good use. Making scotch in the barrels. There are way to many ear waxy corn spirits here in america. Ive had good bourbon, great rye and amazing scotch. Bourbon gets boring real fast but i do recommend drinking some.
+AloofAntares -- Blanton's Special Reserve Bourbon. It is the 40% ABV version of Blanton's. Like most of the Blanton's range, it isn't available in the US. Export only.
age before butey and intelligence and life expectancy before young and some word i cant think of because of me single malt scotch so scotch actually helped the burden argument out very good video loved both sides
The Scotch vs bourbon argument is kind of like asking steak vs ribs, or wings vs burgers. Whatever you like, whatever you're in the mood for- that's the winner that day.
It's like coke and pepsi, coke being scotch and pepsi being bourbon. Pepsi tastes better than coke, like bourbon tastes better than scotch in my opinion... I started off drinking scotch, but now drink bourbon. BUT... i love both... it just takes me time to get used to each one.
As a Bourbon drinker, I loved this video. I have had a lot of scotch, but I will take a Woodford or Knob Creek single barrel. I just can't stand the peat. It is so distasteful to me.
Decade I hope you don't mind me adding some thoughts related to what you have written here. I'm not very experienced but I now have a varied collection of about 1/5 Peated and 4/5 Unpeated Scotch brands in bottles where I have taste tested and I can go back and pour a dram. (50 Scotch, 10 Bourbon, plus Irish Whisky, and Canadian, etc.) After initial trying peated brands, I find that I am not touching my peated bottles even though they are the best, reasonable priced products in this category (Ardbeg, Laphroig, Lagavulin, etc.). You can avoid all peated Scotch and you then have a vast variety of choices. I'm noting you have the choice of comparing unpeated Scotch with the Bourbon choices which you are enjoying. Cheers!
OK, I'm saying Four Fifths of all Scotch has absolutely no peat.. no peat taste, no peat anything. Scotch is made out of malted barley.. if you cook it over a peat fueled fire, it is peated. If you dry it without burning peat, then there is no peat or smoke taste. So then you're tasting malted barley fermented, distilled and then aged in Oak casks for at least 4 years, and in addition some go on to be aged in other casks which previously contained a wine. That's it. That's scotch with no peat. Some examples of Single Malt Scotch with absolutely no peat (that I've purchased): Dalwhinnie 15 yo, The Balvenie Doublewood 12 yo,, Glenmorangie 10 yo Original (and many more). No peat... Thanks.
Raster - but most scotch is pretty medicinal tasting, poor water quality is my guess. Bourbon uses limestone filtered water which filters out the iron & is calcium rich (i.e. Smoother taste). I've had enough Scotch to back up my claims (Glenffidich 14 single malt, Johnny Walker Blue to name 2 among others) i'm still waiting for a scotch I can appreciate a full bottle. Whereas I haven't had a bourbon I wasn't able to finish the bottle (16 so far).
Scotch has 1000 years of experience yet bourbon is better price so class system be darned... I drink bourbon because I only have experience with Johnie Walker (red) and I loved it very peaty. I can drink whiskey or bourbon because $50 a glass or $1 a glass its all snobby to buy $100 bottle of scotch or bourbon and $22 a 1.75 liter of American bourbon like Evan Williams I choose the economical version. I once ran out of bourbon because I bought Elijah Craig 750 ml fifth for $35 and I wished I bought Evan Williams 1.75 L for $22 LOL
Well in terms of flavor profiling I feel that Scotch tend to have that very musky, aged-wood taste. The older the year it definielty tastes like butter scotch and caramel. It gets more buttery. Bourbons have a very full pallet and tend to be very diverse in different flavors (citrus nodes, spicy nodes, fruity nodes etc). This is in my experience and I haven't been drinking a lot, so I might not be completely accurate.
Scotches tend to be very diverse. The taste relies on maturation process. A Lagavulin and a Talisker feels really different than a Macallan or a Glenvilet. Bourbon has similar aromas, way narrower so I really don't get what you're on about. I like bourbons caramel and vanilla taste though
M Bayrak Ahh, I’m learning whiskey profiling one day at a time. I think what I was getting at was similar to what you explained. But for some reason I personally feel like Bourbons, although narrower, often has more flavor variety? I don’t know I feel like sometimes flavors in scotch can be lost in the maturing process and can generally be clumped into this one very rich flavor. If that makes sense.
@@alysham4n4l0 Yeah it happens. That's why some people add in a drop of water. Because alcohol solves the aromas and when you water it down, more flavor comes to the surface. I like scotches myself. Save for Maker's Mark. Maker's Mark is one great, pleasant whisky.
The Horst's argument about distillation by column stills is really strong and valid. But in practice there is huge defferences in bourbons/ Column stills cant remove whisky character completely. But yeah. That kinda sucks :D
both are great in their own regards. scotch seems smoother, but bourbon has the sweeter taste. in a rusty nail, one of my favorites, all scotch. straight, maybe a makers mark for cheap reliable drink. lets just remember that all whiskey is just good
It is wonderful to see a father and son have an intelligent debate over something they share a loving interest in. This is an opportunity to start a new series of videos. How about a side by side tasting: Father and Son tasting and rating together.
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I agree on side by side tasting. That would be awesome. Old vs new school of thought. Do it guys!
I'm born and raised in the South so I was grew up drinking bourbon but after a few years after college, I began drinking scotch and it has been my favorite ever since. My favorite scotch is from Islay (Laphroaig, Ardbeg, Lagavulin, etc)
I appreciate both! My mood decides what is best.
If you don't have a clear opinion then shut up already
@@imadn4147 his opinion is that it depends on the mood ur in. Okay enough serious talk. I like Fallout NV btw
@@lll-k4l2k if its always depends on mood then he doesn't has a clear opinion, you are just adding excuses for nothing.
@@imadn4147 ok boomer
I like all whiskeys. I love the variation and the process involved in making them. I am amazed by Japans whiskeys as well. The Hibiki 12 is just amazing.
The Hibiki 12 is also expensive and is not commonly found where I live haha.
The Habiki Harmaony is more affordable and still amazing
I like both Scotch and Bourbon. When I feel sophisticated I drink Scotch, when I just want a good pour I favor Bourbon.
exactly
There's a huge misconception with age statements in relation to quality. Most people who likes scotch think the older the better. They Look at Bourbon as less then, because it's not aged as long as their favorite Scotch. There is a reason for this; whiskey matures based on heat and temperature change. I.e. the hotter it is the faster it ages. (The barrel breaths in & out the whiskey). The reason bourbon isn't aged as long (although there are a handful aged 10 to 25 years) is because Kentucky sees very long hot summers & short cold winters. Scotland's climate is much more moist & cooler (by comparison) all year round, so the whisky takes longer to mature. Scotland also uses used casks to age their spirits (old bourbon & sherry casks) so that also adds to the misconception. Bourbon can only use new white oak casks.
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@@MP-pw6rp get a life asshole
U nailed it
It's a draw! Both are great! Scotch and Bourbon are great! Father and son are both great too!
Dennis Chan agree these two are awesome
Your comment is therefore meaningless. If everything is great stfu/
The father being scotch and the son being bourbon
YOu are being wishy-washy. Of course Scotch wins.
@@whynottalklikeapirat No. It can't win. It's a very subjective topic which means that everyone likes different things. There is no possible way to just decide which one is better for everyone. I personally love bourbon and think that scotch tastes pretty much the same from every distillery, BUT i know that it's only my palette that makes me think that and i have respect for people who enjoy scotch, except for whiskey elitists such as you.
Old school versus new school! I love it! I definitely enjoy the complexity of scotch, although you cannot ignore bourban as an interesting contrast -- maybe they can learn from eachother! Though, I'd much rather see scotch distilleries stick to their roots because that's the foundation of their identity. Chill filtering seems nearly pointless and caramel colouring is a gimmick, for sure. Everybody knows that the taste is what matters!
Scotch or American. I think i can speak for us all when i say....
Atleast its not Vodka.
I'd rather drink paint
yeah vodka really has something in it that makes my head hurt (unless of course its in a drink) but for me sake is even worse
at least its not vodka. good word
i love all whisky...depends on my mood. tonight I felt like a smokey Lagavulin 16. tomorrow I may want a col eh taylor small batch. one thing is for sure. I rarely ever stray from whiskey!!
basically the whisky vs bourbon debate all ended the day I tried a peated whisky....lets just say ive never had bourbon since that day.
I got into whisk(e)y a little over 10 years ago - primarily single malt scotch.
I've been a 'scotch snob' up until 8 months ago when I decided to give my fellow Americans a try (in the past I've had numerous drams of the 'usual suspects' Jack Daniels, Jim Beam, and Maker's Mark, and none have been too impressive).
Wasn't until I purchased a bottle of Evan Williams Single Barrel from Costco for $20 that my opinion of bourbon changed...From that point I found myself enjoying the variety of Kentucky bourbon, and Tennessee whisky more so than single malt scotch for numerous reasons.
Fresh 1st fill casks, no artificial coloring, abv usually 45% or more, there's no 'NAS' price gouging, and bourbon here in the USA is a fraction of the cost of single malts from Scotland.
Again - nothing against whiskey from Scotland - just that now I'm seeing much of what they have to offer is vastly overrated.
Try Jack Daniels Single Barrel Select - it's amazing!
Really enjoyed the father/son debate. It would be great for you to do a series of duo tasting where you both give opinions. As a consumer who's relatively new to this world, I often hunt around for at least a couple of opinions before deciding to go ahead with a purchase. A duo tasting and discussion would be fantastic. Thanks, guys - great video.
Scotch of course has a connotation with luxury and with the upper classes. So some of the fools in this comments section will choose Scotch just to prove how "classy" they are.
With that said, the best whiskys I've tasted have been Scotches, but so too were the worst (way too rich, syrupy, unbalanced, whatever). Bourbons seems to have a higher "bottom shelf" than Scotches do. Even "bad" bourbons were decent bourbons.
I love scotch and bourbons. I drink bourbons because I'm an American. Might be weird to some, but I like putting money back to my fellow countryman that make a fine spirit!
that really updated my journal - couldn't agree with you more. It's only because of pop culture that Scotch is looked at as superior (and classier) to bourbon. Obviously these naysayers haven't tried anything from Buffalo Traces Antique Line (pappy van winkle, George T Stagg, etc)
Scotch is better, because overall taste is better. It really has great cheap examples as well. Like Teachers.
The overall variations give way for bad productions, but you compare the two with good examples, not bad ones. Comparing Jack Daniel's and Bell's is pointless. When the higher end products are the issue, scotch is just better.
I've never, tasted a bourbon like a Macallan. Or Lagavulin or Glenlivet.
Now I'm not saying bourbon is bad, nor I'm saying I don't enjoy it. It's just not that complex.
My favourite bourbon is Maker's Mark by the way. Great stuff. There are a lot of American bourbons around.
But nothing beats a single malt.
I'm Scottish and I drink bourbon
Personally I find Scotch to ve the better type of drink. However, as others have said a great scotch in America can easily cost 400 dollars. Where as I can get a great bottle of burbon for 50 no problem.
+Michael Rynders 3 of the scotch whiskies featured; The Ardbeg 10, Balvenie 12 DoubleWood and Highland Park 12 are each available for $50 USD.
are there any aged scotches that is "virgin oak" like used in bourbons? Im interested to try some if there's any. Also I'm not crazy about bourbon because of astringency taste
Fantastic video...I love them all. Whiskey is a gift. Thank you guys.
I wish I had common interests with my father and discuss it gently like you guys :) Great job and huge knowledge, thank you!
I thoroughly enjoyed your debate. Frankly I am a fan of both Horst and Benedikt and I naturally root for each of you in turn. I personally favor Scotch over Bourbon but i am still purchasing and trying a variety of bourbon to make sure I experience the best of the bourbon side of this debate. I think both of you did a great job. I really like it when the debate takes on a humorous angle. I would encourage further debating or discussion videos which play on the humorous topics that we encounter.
Thank you. We appreciate your talents and your insight on the whisky topics.
Bourbon gives pleasure to the mind, scotch gives pleasure to the soul :)
So basically what you're saying is that you need both! Clever hehe.... :-D
What does this mean?
I love both (actually, I love all whisky/whiskey), but prefer Scotch.
I love Scotch, I just can't get into Bourbon. Horst is awesome!
jacksstanley - Try Bookers Uncut & Unfiltered. You can thank me later
once you get a real taste for bourbon its hard to go back. it does tend to be a more simple palate, but thats part of the charm. it usually doesnt overload the tastebuds like scotch tends to.
I recently tried Wooford and Lagavulin16 for the first time in my life. Woodford was nice but Lagavulin16 was a drinking experience I had never lived before in my life.
1:28 his dads ready to come out swinging like brave heart!
I'm from Kentucky, so I'm of course a bit partial! I do however enjoy a good scotch!
I don't know why you don't have any more views your channel is amazing
lOVE YOUR english FLAWS.. Following u guys.. ISLAY ONLY and INDIAN SCOTCH lover.. and COGNAC and AUSSIE WINE Lover here.. Dears
So which whiskey should I buy? scotch or bourbon, can someone tell me please, I'm a beginner...
I'm on Dad's side in this debate. While there are a few Bourbons I like neat, for me, most are better mixed with ginger ale. The wide variety of flavors in Scotch keeps me on a never ending search for the next new flavor and smell. Bourbons all seem quite similar to me.
MiserablerHurensohn - try Bookers Uncut & Unfiltered. Your opinion may change. It's readily available & was the first barrel strength bourbon on the market
you are correct, Scotch is very inconsistent and all over the place palate wise compared to Bourbon.
I really feel like Bourbons tend to be more diverse than Scotch? Maybe I am not trying to right ones hahaha!
@@alysham4n4l0 Try a Balvenie 12 years double wood next to a Laphroaig 10 years and tell me if they are the same. 🙄
easily, I try about 20 Bourbon and I'm definitely a Scotland Highland Whisky fan, a bit of speyside and Islay too. I use bourbon in my recipes but never a Scotland single malt!
Scotch overall tastes great, so much variety. But Benny boy won the debate!
+RagingUtai no way! Like I said before, Scotch tastes much better. But no caramel coloring, aged in new barrels (unlike scotch), bigger bottles hehe, etc etc. but like me say it again, scotch tastes better, but man oh bourbon is priced well and everything. And scotch nowadays is killing me with the NAS!
I have a deep appreciation for both. One isn't better than the other. They're different drinking experiences. Bourbon or Scotch, either one is good for me. I also have an appreciation for Irish whiskey. My least favourite is Canadian rye. I am Canadian. Rye is best served mixed. Not really something I'll drink neat. While I certainly would not turn down a shot of good quality rye, I don't go out of my way to pick up a bottle to bring home. Great video, guys!
They both have places on my shelf....Woodford Reserve is super smooth and The Glendronach 12 has amazing full sherry maturation and of course always time for a smouldering hospital floor Islay.
Please, please, do more videos like this. Absolutely loved this video.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!. With you, I learn about whiskey and you also speak such clear English that it helps me learn your language. Thank you from Spain!!
(I prefer bourbon 😂😂😂)
Dennis, Luke, i'm feeling that. Both, are fantastic spirits.
Scotch is only worth drinking if it is really good scotch. On the other hand, I can enjoy a mid-range bourbon.
+Jason Lieberthal -- And at least in North America (where I am) "really good scotch" is very expensive. Bourbon and rye represent much better value for money. I know Horst has said in other videos that he prefers scotch to bourbon, but I have also noted his tendency to review old and very expensive scotch much more often than he reviews the cheaper scotch. It is easy to be a scotch snob when you can afford to stick to bottles that cost hundreds or even thousands of dollars.
+Richard Bostan Highland Park 12 on Horst's table is only $50 here in Canada AB and probably even cheaper in the States. It is very good scotch, one of the best in this price range. And there are many other scotch brands that are very good and around $50 in price.
+VoidedTea -- I am in British Columbia (which is in Canada, I say for the benefit of non-Canadians reading this). Highland Park 12 sells for $71.00 here, and I don't think it is good at all. I know I am not the only person who thinks that about HP 12, because in the 2015 edition of Jim Murray's Whisky Bible he gives it a rather low rating (78). Murray gives very high grades to the HP 18 and HP 25, but in British Columbia those are priced at $174 and $460 respectively. Am I going to pay either of those prices for a single bottle of whisky? Absolutely not! To date, the whisky I have given my highest rating to (a rating of 93) is Booker's Bourbon, which is $60 in British Columbia. Even Horst likes Booker's.:) Look up the review Horst did for it, if you haven't seen it already.
+Jack Dry guess what bourbon is...a different whiskey. not everyone likes the peat smoke in their drink. i also personally take umbridge with the fact you pay $50+ for "good" scotch and its watered down to 40% abv and pumped with caramel coloring so it less resembles all that water that just polluted it. i dont have that problem with $50+ bourbon. In this price range they are usually aged to 10+ years as well, come in at 50% abv have ZERO misleading coloring added and the taste and mouthfeel is feel wonferful and complex. mouthfeel especially. i like scotch but this deference paid to it like they are the only purveyors of fine whiskey at affordable prices is ludicrous.
Jason Lieberthal - very true!! Most scotch I've had tasted like bandaids (medicinal). They were no bottom shelf stuff either; Glennfiddich 14 single malt, Johnny Walker Blue Label.
Great job on the debate. Old school vs new school of thought. Both are good spirits. All depends on personal preference. Glad the world has a choices. It would be very interesting to see this on individual tastings.
Both have their own merits, but Scotch wins for me hands down
With Scotch less is more - Bourbon, plan on drinking half the bottle and you may just end up sick. I see it almost as a quality vs quantity thing in some regards. Very different spirits. Fine bourbon is nice, but a fine Scotch is much more complex and a different type of experience.
C C - how Irish are you? If you drink half a bottle of anything that's high in ABV you will end up sick (or drunk). Fine bourbon is a slow sipping spirit. The premium stuff is hard to drink in mass quantity, because of the high proof (100 - 136 proof)
Hey guys, there's that bottle of Blanton's you can't find.
Good video, I was sitting Wild Turkey Bourbon while watching.
Thanks a lot for this very entertaining video! It's going into my favorites...
Ben is good )) If i did not tried any whisky before after this video i would go with bourbon whisky, but ofcourse i like all the whiskies and gins and rums and tequilas and cognacs and calvadoses )😃
Great vid
6:10! I love this video. Great idea to display the best of both whiskies.
Great video! Very informative and very entertaining!
My vote goes for Horst and Scotch Whisky definitely.
Scotch better than good 'ol American whisky? Them's fighting words!
Original American Bourbon is supreme.
Very much in depth and detailed.... great job.
Thanks for mentioning Canadian whisky Horst.
always good fun! thanks for the channel! Cheers!!
just seeing this for the first time, yesterday drinking glenmorangie and today makers., my lord! yesteday i said this very good and today im drinking the makers and im like this is very good. thats my answer
very difficult in the united states to have whisky in the cask for a long time, our seasons are much more extreme than those in scottland. We are looking for ways to keep whisky in the cask longer, the scotts are looking for ways to get it out sooner, both without sacrificing quality. Just look at the color on a 5 year bourbon, and compare it to the color on a 12 year scotch.
Yeah that fact is often overlooked
You guys are just awesome! I'm watching this video as I'm sipping some Berkshire bourbon!
I will be getting a bottle of bunnahaben Islay soon.
Such a huge inspiration. Love to have a drink with you guys
great review. burbon is usually a higher proof than other whiskeys. 90 and up for the most part. I have a Stagg jr. At 130.9
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btw i drink all types of whiskey.
te bheag is a fantastic inexpensive scotch and always a bottle on hand. wild Turkey 101 is a great inexpensive burbon.
Loving Hort's steadfast standing by, the Scotch whisky. Fighting his side. In reality, they're both, excellent products.
My opinion is this. It depends on the palate and also depending on what you are feeling taste on whatever day you decide to have a glass. Both bourbon and scotch typically have the same notes depending but it develops new flavors as it ages. You can mix bourbon with many different casks after using the white charred oak for a few years and typically when you have a bourbon aged for as long as say a scotch. In my opinion it has more complexity and flavor. Bourbon is very adaptable as is scotch. Each different type of bottle has different tastes at the end of the day so it is pretty much a draw. Depends on what you are feeling to taste
I'm late to this discussion, as I've only gotten into tasting and collecting since July 2016. But my first whisky was in Edinburgh, the Glenfiddich 12, and even then the light peatness made me wince. Since then I've had owned non-peated Scotches (Auchentoshan, Glenmorangie, Glen Moray, Speyburn and others). And yes, I do feel there is more interesting, delicate and complex flavor varieties in Scotch. But three things: 1. I'm still too sensitive to the smoky medicinal quality of Scotch, 2. Scotch is too expensive for my budget and 3. Simply put, my taste buds have an orgasm when I taste a good bourbon. I'll buy whatever my taste is drawn to, and right now my collection is 75% bourbon. And many excellent bourbons (Wild Turkey 101, Evan Williams BiB, Weller Antique, etc. ) are under $30 don't break the bank like Scotch would. But talk to me in a couple of years, my tastes may change!
Glenfiddich 12 is not peated.
"Do you use your tea bag twice?" Well technically to get varying flavors of tea, you do brew it 5-10 times depending on the tea. With that said, I'm a fan of the reusing of casks. It allows the flavor to mature compared to bourbon. Though I love both for two different reasons
+kimkishineegirl you brew teabag 5 times you have lost your mind. This only aplies to aged loose leaf tea. you definitely have good results from loose leaf at first and second brewing... after that it really depends.
Cypeq First time? Best results? No way! When I talk about tea bags...I talk about my own prepared tea bags which I buy from a good friend of mine whose family in China actually makes oolongs. The first brew of tea is the worst as the flavor and the aroma has not fully bloomed. This is why we awaken the tea and throw out the first brewing. It's only by the second brewing do we actually drink it. Tea tastes better the more its brewed (for greens approx. 5, for oolongs maybe 5-10 and blacks 10-15...matcha is a totally different story). The flavors deepen as the tea gradually awakens. The true flavor of the tea comes out after the first few brews.
And "aged loose leaf" depends. You most certainly do not want to age Japanese green teas or any green tea for that matter. Now if you're talking about pu-erh, than you can brew that shit for 10-15 times before the flavor is gone.
You must be brewing your tea too long if the flavor goes away by the third brew.
kimkishineegirl hey lucky you. I'm a big fan of oolong myself. Of course you know they mean teabags like 'lipton' with tea powder inside.
I also discard first brew... it's wetting the leaves I don't even put that much water when doing that. I would not count it.
You are right I brew my oolong and and black too long but than again I like it go strong and slightly bitter. That's a preference.
I brew green similar to what you describe, and it really can go the distance, but it's delicate flavours are not my favourite.
That's a lovely picture. You are beautiful :-)
@@jdn94
As a tea guy daily, you obviously know jack shit about tea.
Would be great to see something like this again, Horst picking his best affordable scotch vs Ben's affordable bourbon/american whisky!
Great job guys.
I expected a Yank and a Scott with bias but I got two Germans with a thought out argument! 👍
No need to debate. If Bourbon was better than Scotch, then this channel would be called "Whiskey.com".
Good fun :D Thanks guys
Best and funny episode ever for Whiskey, or without the E right? Haahaa! Y'all better watch out in the future for Texas Whiskey.. We starting to do some stuff way down yonder..
I’ve had great bourbons and scotches. I suggest people try them both. Also quality tequilas primarily aged are fantastic as well. Expand your mind.
I agree with a few other comments in that bourbon tends to have better cheap or 'middle of the road' offerings while scotch tends to get a lot better past the $50-$60 price point - that's when scotch really starts to shine. Bourbon does too of course but not quite as much in my opinion. Either way I've got to have at least a few bottles of both.
I'm not a fan of Canadian or Irish whiskey and I've never tried Japanese, nor do I intend to tbh.
Thoroughly enjoyed this!
As a drinker of both scotch and American, I have to say that Irish red breast 12 is my personal favourite
Love the whiskey reviews guys.....but Scotch vs Bourbon!?.........Scotch is great to drink neat and as long as there is Cola and other mixers, Bourbon will always have a market! If you want a proper competition then it has to be Irish vs Scotch!
They’re both great. It just depends...do you want an apple, or an orange?
I prefer oranges (scotch for me).... but sometimes, I’d like an Apple (bourbon for me)
bourbon on the whole just has too sweet of a taste for me...
+TheJusnic82 I felt the same - however there are some really nice bourbons that aren't quite so sweet (in my humble opinion) ie Elijah Craig 12 yr, Maker's 46, Maker's Cask Strength, and Buffalo Trace.
Haha, the sweetness is what pulled me in:P
TheJusnic82 - try Bookers Uncut & Unfiltered (126 proof and up). Sweet usually isn't a common bourbon characteristic, may I ask what you tried in terms of Bourbon that gave you that notion? Usually spice comes to mind with bourbon/rye.
I love Scotch and I prefer but the other whiskeys are great too. I don't bash the other ones because Maker's Mark is also a really great whiskey and I also really like Red Breast
that Balvenie (second single malt from right) is the best thing i've ever put in my mouth in my entire life.
It is amazing, especially for it's price!
Bourbon has a good use. Making scotch in the barrels. There are way to many ear waxy corn spirits here in america. Ive had good bourbon, great rye and amazing scotch. Bourbon gets boring real fast but i do recommend drinking some.
What's the bourbon on the green-labeled bottle called?
+AloofAntares -- Blanton's Special Reserve Bourbon. It is the 40% ABV version of Blanton's. Like most of the Blanton's range, it isn't available in the US. Export only.
+Richard Bostan ruclips.net/video/3bZp_xwoAyc/видео.html
Thank you very much for the answers, both of you!
+AloofAntares blantons. all the different kinds have cool little horse figures at the cap. besides pappy's, i think it's the best bourbon around.
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So, who is the better salesman?
dad to son healthy with Alcohol well said.. Do drink lot of water... Dad non smoker.. Love u mate...
Good video, very informative.
I don't like bourbon because I don't like corn... I only drink Single Malt Scotch Whisky.
age before butey and intelligence and life expectancy before young and some word i cant think of because of me single malt scotch so scotch actually helped the burden argument out very good video loved both sides
The Scotch vs bourbon argument is kind of like asking steak vs ribs, or wings vs burgers. Whatever you like, whatever you're in the mood for- that's the winner that day.
It's like coke and pepsi, coke being scotch and pepsi being bourbon. Pepsi tastes better than coke, like bourbon tastes better than scotch in my opinion... I started off drinking scotch, but now drink bourbon. BUT... i love both... it just takes me time to get used to each one.
Right now Jim Beam is my go to, if not then your typical bells or famous grouse.
As a Bourbon drinker, I loved this video. I have had a lot of scotch, but I will take a Woodford or Knob Creek single barrel. I just can't stand the peat. It is so distasteful to me.
Decade I hope you don't mind me adding some thoughts related to what you have written here. I'm not very experienced but I now have a varied collection of about 1/5 Peated and 4/5 Unpeated Scotch brands in bottles where I have taste tested and I can go back and pour a dram. (50 Scotch, 10 Bourbon, plus Irish Whisky, and Canadian, etc.) After initial trying peated brands, I find that I am not touching my peated bottles even though they are the best, reasonable priced products in this category (Ardbeg, Laphroig, Lagavulin, etc.).
You can avoid all peated Scotch and you then have a vast variety of choices. I'm noting you have the choice of comparing unpeated Scotch with the Bourbon choices which you are enjoying.
Cheers!
OK, I'm saying Four Fifths of all Scotch has absolutely no peat.. no peat taste, no peat anything.
Scotch is made out of malted barley.. if you cook it over a peat fueled fire, it is peated. If you dry it without burning peat, then there is no peat or smoke taste.
So then you're tasting malted barley fermented, distilled and then aged in Oak casks for at least 4 years, and in addition some go on to be aged in other casks which previously contained a wine. That's it. That's scotch with no peat.
Some examples of Single Malt Scotch with absolutely no peat (that I've purchased): Dalwhinnie 15 yo, The Balvenie Doublewood 12 yo,, Glenmorangie 10 yo Original (and many more).
No peat...
Thanks.
Raster - but most scotch is pretty medicinal tasting, poor water quality is my guess. Bourbon uses limestone filtered water which filters out the iron & is calcium rich (i.e. Smoother taste). I've had enough Scotch to back up my claims (Glenffidich 14 single malt, Johnny Walker Blue to name 2 among others) i'm still waiting for a scotch I can appreciate a full bottle. Whereas I haven't had a bourbon I wasn't able to finish the bottle (16 so far).
Fun video, thanks! Single Malt is better :)
Scotch has 1000 years of experience yet bourbon is better price so class system be darned...
I drink bourbon because I only have experience with Johnie Walker (red) and I loved it very peaty. I can drink whiskey or bourbon because $50 a glass or $1 a glass its all snobby to buy $100 bottle of scotch or bourbon and $22 a 1.75 liter of American bourbon like Evan Williams I choose the economical version. I once ran out of bourbon because I bought Elijah Craig 750 ml fifth for $35 and I wished I bought Evan Williams 1.75 L for $22 LOL
Ireland happens to make whiskey also
Nice video, as always!
Thank benediket luening for representing the bourbon
For me both are respectable, but...Scotch whisky is definitely the best because of his complexity as said in this video.
At the end of the day, it's subjective. They each have their pros and cons. I personally prefer the taste of Scotch.
Of the two choices will pick the American Bourbon. I am American so I may be a bit biased.
Well in terms of flavor profiling I feel that Scotch tend to have that very musky, aged-wood taste. The older the year it definielty tastes like butter scotch and caramel. It gets more buttery. Bourbons have a very full pallet and tend to be very diverse in different flavors (citrus nodes, spicy nodes, fruity nodes etc). This is in my experience and I haven't been drinking a lot, so I might not be completely accurate.
Scotches tend to be very diverse. The taste relies on maturation process. A Lagavulin and a Talisker feels really different than a Macallan or a Glenvilet.
Bourbon has similar aromas, way narrower so I really don't get what you're on about.
I like bourbons caramel and vanilla taste though
M Bayrak Ahh, I’m learning whiskey profiling one day at a time. I think what I was getting at was similar to what you explained. But for some reason I personally feel like Bourbons, although narrower, often has more flavor variety? I don’t know I feel like sometimes flavors in scotch can be lost in the maturing process and can generally be clumped into this one very rich flavor. If that makes sense.
@@alysham4n4l0 Yeah it happens. That's why some people add in a drop of water. Because alcohol solves the aromas and when you water it down, more flavor comes to the surface.
I like scotches myself. Save for Maker's Mark. Maker's Mark is one great, pleasant whisky.
The Horst's argument about distillation by column stills is really strong and valid. But in practice there is huge defferences in bourbons/ Column stills cant remove whisky character completely. But yeah. That kinda sucks :D
Your are so knowledgeable and so funny
I think the son wins.
I like both. But nothing beats Lagavulin
both are great in their own regards. scotch seems smoother, but bourbon has the sweeter taste. in a rusty nail, one of my favorites, all scotch. straight, maybe a makers mark for cheap reliable drink. lets just remember that all whiskey is just good