Just a correction. Matthew in that text wasn't preaching in Parthia, but was returning from a mysterious "Land of the Blessed" also called a "Promised Land" and met Peter and Andrew who were returning from Parthia (maybe, it could just be Greece or Syria). Matthew reports a number of remarkable things about this place, and that the inhabitants are members of one of the lost tribes. Ancient Parthia, last I checked didn't overlap with modern day Siberia. That would be Sarmatia or Scythia, both of which were rather generic terms for regions not conquered by the Romans. Parthia proper was a competing Empire which descended from the old Persian Empire of previous centuries, that shared a border with the Roman Empire. Of course, borders and land ownership shifted frequently.
The handbook does a great job of describing the difference between priesthood authority and power. Authority comes to us through our callings and assignments and it is necessarily limited. For example, a Bishop may only serve as a bishop inside his ward. Priesthood power comes to us through our covenants, and it is limitless! Priesthood power is available to all men, women and children who have made and honored covenants.
I am loving the member only videos!!! I know they probably don't get as many views but they are definitely much appreciated! I love being a member of The Ward!!
You guys are awesome. I recently subscribed to WR. I have to say, I recently learned about "lost gospels of the Bible," such as the gospels of Thomas, Mary Magdalen, and Judas. I prayed for more knowledge and then you guys gave this episode! I'm excited to learn so much more about these topics.
@3:33 When Kwaku says "they were extremely gay" re: Rome. From my understanding, the gay lifestyle in our society is pretty unique to our day. As horrific as pederasty was in Roman and Greek societies if I understand the situation correctly, men were still expected to get married and procreate. I think this is an important distinction to make because this is probably the first time in history where it's socially acceptable for significant numbers of the population to engage in a lifestyle that contributes to the depopulation of the planet. It's unheard of before our lifetime. We are truly living in the last days.
Maridan magizane several years ago had a BYU student go to south-east africa and recorded tribel oral tradishians about there God visiting them and showing them how to farm better. byu
According to Jacob 5, all of the churches in the vineyard (world) apostatized. Some by blood (Nephites, Romans, Greeks, etc) and some by ink (all the rest).
According to the prophet Joseph Smith, which I’m assuming quite confidently is speaking under the authority of the Lord, stated that only one individual, the president and prophet, is the only person with the authorization to hold all the keys of the Lord’s church. While some of these churches may have an unbroken history, both like the problem with the Catholic Church, ordinations would be without said keys. I believe, like with the Nephites and Lamenites, all believers will come together as one large body of saints.
Of course Jesus went all over the world! It’s one of the reasons I have so much confidence about the BoM Heartland model. All the evidence in South and Central America could be attributed to trading cultures and stories with the Nephites and Christ going to more than just them.
It makes sense of the Lord establishing his gospel all over the world. I imagine that it wasn't so wide spread because he only visited the most righteous like those in Bountiful. And righteousness has been wanting in this world for several thousand years
That would be very cool but the idea that the ark of the covenant is in a cave beneath Golgotha and the blood of the Savior dripped onto the mercy seat. That story is really impressive to me.
Siberia works for me. India, too... and Ethiopia. By 400 AD, they had all fallen, as Moroni said. But I would love to see information on all of these groups.
I do not know who the guy is who talked about the preterits view is spot on. It’s something I came to in the last couple of years. I am a partial preterit and believe we are in the little season Bruce Gore has a play list called the apocalypse that ya’ll might be interested in I like the connections of the apocryphal to the Book of Mormon that you are doing. I also follow Bible-scribe who has has an app that has all these works. I am no longer LDS but still do believe in the BOM. I appreciate the podcast and the discussions about these things. Clear back in the early 1980’s my mother listened to Einar Erickson so I was introduced to the Nag Hamadi, Dead Sea scrolls etc at age 12 I also believe the arc is in Ethiopia through reading the Kedar Negast.
Our Priesthood is “stronger”, because at the start of every dispensation the priesthood must be Re-dispensed. For example in 3 nephi, nephi had the priesthood, yet, when Christ came, Jesus re-dispensed it. In fact it was during this time of the translation, when Joseph received the keys from John and the og first presidency for the priesthood to be Re-Dispensed
The Apocrypha of the KJV contains no books discussing Christianity except 2 Esdres that has interpolations by Christians. Thus I don’t quite get the title of this video but as I continue may make sense.
The three main branches of Eastern Christianity are the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Oriental Orthodox Church, and the Church of the East, each of which contain multiple smaller churches (some of which have have entered into communion with the Roman Catholic Church, and are known as Eastern Catholic Churches). All of them adhere to the Nicene Creed.
Great point. Most Orthodox Churches adhere to the first thousand years of Ecumenical Councils and creeds as a whole. For Russians and Greeks, that’s half their religion. The “Oriental Orthodox” grouping broke off first, namely in Egypt; so they only accept the first three councils. Their breaking was mostly over language barriers, and they’ve since tried to regain communion with EO’s; to little success.
These Ward Radio dudes are so out of their depth. But there’s no excuse for the degree of error here. I watch these things because I’ve got a horrid fascination with how people can adhere to claims that are so obviously and provably false. That’s what’s truly mind boggling
Kwaku -asking what is the priesthood, saying we only care about Authority, keys, power we nothing about! That’s a show I would love to listen in on. Feels like we have a form of Godliness but deny the power that should come with it. Look how it’s given in the Bom it’s not how we do it.
I agree with Kwaku about the lost years in India. Also, the Egyptians claim they were converted by the Apostle Mark, and their church, the Coptic church has lasted to this day.
Do you know how hard it is not to laugh (during the "Priesthood Olympics) while my husband is trying to take a nap???? (I was listening with headphones.)
Question for @Jonah Barnes. I'm working on a project. What are 7-14 authentic apocryphal documents from the New Testament times? Now that I know about Thomas and Matthew's acts.
I kinda miss Quake. He got a little wild and then I haven't seen him. Everyone has a bad day. I hope he didn’t quit. People make mistakes. Bring him back when he feels ready (if he is gone). Anybody know anything about his status that is appropriate to share?
“For a rock is every disciple of Christ ... But if you suppose that upon the one Peter only the whole church is built by God, what would you say about John the son of thunder or each one of the Apostles? Shall we otherwise dare to say, that against Peter in particular the gates of Hades shall not prevail, but that they shall prevail against the other Apostles and the perfect? Does not the saying previously made, ‘The gates of Hades shall not prevail against it,’ hold in regard to all and in the case of each of them?" - Origen, Early Patristic Father on non-Roman Christian Churches
Later, in Book XIII, Chapter 31, in his same Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew that you referenced, Origen wrote: "But since it was necessary, even if something in common had been said in the case of Peter and those who had thrice admonished the brethren, that Peter should have some element superior to those who thrice admonished, in the case of Peter, this saying 'I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of the heavens,' (Matthew 16:19) has been specially set before the words, 'And whatever things you shall bind on earth,' etc. And, indeed, if we were to attend carefully to the evangelical writings, we would also find here, and in relation to those things which seem to be common to Peter and those who have thrice admonished the brethren, a great difference and a pre-eminence in the things said to Peter, compared with the second class. For it is no small difference that Peter received the keys not of one heaven but of more, and in order that whatsoever things he binds on the earth may be bound not in one heaven but in them all, as compared with the many who bind on earth and loose on earth, so that these things are bound and loosed not in the heavens, as in the case of Peter, but in one only; for they do not reach so high a stage, with power as Peter to bind and loose in all the heavens (Matthew 16:19)."
Everyone in the western world thinks about the Roman Empire every day, whether you know it or not. The RE is still with us in our calendar, medical nomenclature, laws, systems of government, civil engineering, and even some strictly cultural things like stadiums and arenas where entertainment happens.
May I suggest that there were Apostles called that we have not record of that were called to replace Apostles as they died? At least, to the point that the Apostles were no long able to come together or have the required amount to call new apostles.
It would be very helpful if you guys would actually give us links, websites or the name of the books this info is coming from so that your beloved followers could actually go and read this stuff for themselves. Since there is a great deal of interruptions and side stories that happens constantly on your videos.
Yes, do your research because these bozos have no ideas what they’re talking about. Just because Mormons are clueless about genuine church history doesn’t mean any of these things are news….but their bizarre twist, Mormon twist on them is just crazy.
John didn't become Bigfoot, he was the "professor" during the convention they held to design the flag of the new Republic. President Reagan spoke about it.
It’s also worth remembering that all these churches have oecumenical relationships with the Orthodox and Catholic churches, and they also recognise each other’s sacraments (including orders). Also that the vast majority of apocryphal writings are not recognised as canonical by any if them (the Ethiopians do recognise a couple, but far from many). And none if the apocrypha contain anything remotely Mormon.
Gerald Lund’s The Second Coming Of The Lord clearly explains that the lost ten tribes will not only come but also bring their records, the priesthood and additional scripture. How is it possible that y’all haven’t read or listened to this book? 🤷♂️
Non of these churches have Mormon doctrine and the Catholic Church is not "euro-centric". Tell that to the other churches in communion with the Roman church.
The restoration restored the Priesthood. Period. There is no ambiguity that other legit Priesthoods exist. Prophets have been clear. The doctrine of the church is the authority to act for God, which what it is, was lost. Kwaku is off on the Priesthood topic.
Santa struck him because he didn't believe in the concept of the Trinity. Aryus wasn't right either. He didn't consider Jesus to be a God in his own right
Hey friends - me again! Just to clarify, the Apostles didn’t establish 12 different churches, similar to denominations. They established churches and communities that still were under the umbrella of the one holy, Catholic and apostolic Church! You mentioned St. Thomas in India, Tradition says he evangelized India and founded the Syro-Malabar Church. They still exist today, but they are still under Rome and the Pope! In Catholicism, there are many Eastern Catholic Churches such as Byzantine or Maronite, but they aren’t separate, they are still under Rome! It’s sort of like how in Catholicism, we have different Diocese around the world, each run by a Bishop or an Arch Bishop. The Pope is simply the Bishop of Rome, being the successor of Peter who Christ built His Church upon! The Apostles not only passed down the faith, but they passed down the office of Bishop through what we call, Apostolic Succession. Catholics trace our origin all the way back to the Apostles and to Christ Himself! Also, Arius was punched because he was spreading heresy lol The whole Church disagreed with Arius because he started teaching that Christ was made by God the Father rather than Christ being co-eternal with the Father. The Church teaches that all 3 persons of the Holy Trinity are co-eternal with each other. Do we condone St. Nicholas’ punch…not necessarily, but it is pretty funny! lol 😂 -your friendly neighborhood Catholic! :)
The Pope is cool, but he's merely a bishop. That's just one of the many priesthood offices mentioned in the Bible. And these churches are indeed independent from Catholicism, which means "universal". Our Catholic brother and sisters are wonderful and we love them, but we shouldn't forget that they are just 1/12th of the Churches set up by the original Apostles. We're glad a few of them survived to make the world a better place.
Well, the Eastern Catholic Churches have not always been in communion with Rome. Rather they were separate but later joined the Roman Catholic Church. Also, the eastern Christians outside of the Roman Catholic Church would contend that, from their point of view, you guys are the schismatic heretics, not them, so they were never subject to your church, but I’m not here to fight about that.
@@WARDRADIO I appreciate your reply. That’s my point though, that the Catholic Church isn’t just 1/12 of the churches set up by the Apostles. There is still One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Just like Peter is one of the Apostles, he was also the head of the Apostles being the Rock that Christ built His Church on. The Pope is the successor to Peter and is the Bishop of Rome, just like we have many Bishops around the world that are in charge of a community or Diocese, they still fall under the leadership of the Holy Father (Pope). I know we’ll agree to disagree lol but just looking out for the Church! I still appreciate the conversation my friends! 🙏🏼
Sorry, the Syro-Malabar church didn’t come under Rome until the 1500’s. Rome spent lots of time and effort trying to bring many of the ancient Eastern churches under its authority, promising them financial support and “no changes required”. The changes always came later, with forced latinization. Rome accepted Nestorians, non-Chalcedon christians and orthodox groups under these terms. The Syro-Malabar had no connection to Rome prior to the 1500’s, and it’s been a rocky road, to say the least.
@@longfellowmarketing4192either way, my point still stands that the church established in India wasn’t independent from the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church. Most if not all the eastern rite churches under Rome have kept their eastern traditions I would say. I’ve been to a few like the Maronite Catholic Mass which is beautiful!
So you are saying they have stone tablets (Law of Moses), in a gold box (Ark of the Covenant), in a stone box (Church of Saint George)? But how close are these churches to the original Christian church, like do they do baptism by immersion in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and the laying on of hands to give the Gift of the Holy Ghost? Do they claim to be led by Apostles and Prophets?
I don’t believe it was brought up the Mark founded the church in Egypt as Coptic Christians. The chapels are still there from original. This is another church that traces back to original Apostles.
The prevalence and acceptance of homosexual behavior in Ancient Greece and Rome has been pretty exaggerated by modern historians, even if it was somewhat downplayed by the Christian historians of the past.
This is true-sexual perversion, like any other moral failing-has existed throughout time, especially as societies decay. But to claim it was generally accepted says more about the speaker than the anything else. To be clear, SSA is a manifestation of underlying psychological disorder, and theres no reason to think that this is constant across societies. Its when people act on such impulses that a moral dimension enters the picture. BTW, YT tends to consider what i just said “hate speech” and is likely to give me another 24 hour ban!
Loved this!! I think of how exciting it would be to unite with those ancient Churches and compare notes on what miracles we have witnessed because of the mercy of God. ❤
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Well, but that's kind of a contradiction,no? You can't have be Creedal and reject the Creeds too. Chalcedon is no small Creed. The nature of Christ underpins everything.
@@jonahbarnes5841Rejecting Chalcedon (4th Ecumenical Council) actually has nothing to do with the creeds. Non-chalcedonians (eg, Armenian Orthodox) use the Nicene-Constantinopolitan creed with no changes, just like the Orthodox do. Chalcedon was not a “creedal” issue.
@longfellowmarketing4192 I'm not sure what to say. The Ethiopian Church is just as old and just as contiguous as the Catholic. Maybe that's hard to hear, but the Catholic claim to primacy is challenged. They do NOT align with the Creeds, and have a few flavors of their own. The Catholics prevail not because they're older, or have more authority, but because they hitched their cart to the horse of western Europe. We're glad they did! But that doesn't mean they have any more authority than these other Churches.
I’m not arguing anything about the RC church. I’m simply saying that all of these churches use the Nicean creed, including the Ethiopians. None of them are non-credal.
I don't believe that Christ spent the years between 13 and 30 traveling the world. He was an observant Jew, and all the records show that he wasn't wealthy. Where would he have had the means to travel all over the world. I do believe that prophets in those lands had revelations, but I don't believe He spent the time traveling.
It makes me think of 3 Nephi verse 1 where Jesus says that He has other sheep, which are not of this land, neither of the land of Jerusalem, neither in any parts of that land round about whither I have been to minister. I suppose He means all these places you are talking about. It makes sense.
My guess is when Tibet is free, the Dalai Lama will return to the Potola Palace and reveal/find new scripture that is buried/hidden there. I also think there are records buried/hidden in Kashmir/Jammu.
It’s because of the Orthodox and Catholic Church that we even have “The Bible” as we know it. They, along with the Jewish authors of The Tanakh, invented most of the language and concepts Joseph Smith would later abuse.
There’s 0% historical evidence for this. Early Hinduism has parallels to Judaism, and Jesus was a Jew - but that’s it. He lived, died, and his resurrection all occurred exclusively in modern-day Israel.
@@UpriseMusic oh really? of course history is always correct and never changes. never mind all the records writings and transcripts that have been destroyed about that time period. and of course one would have to ignore the ones that have been discovered to not know about the Essenes.
@@ruralgirl13 The Essenes were a mystic Jewish sect during the Second Temple period (in Israel) that lived from the 2nd century BCE to the 1st century CE. There’s always new findings - but imaging that a poor Jewish man that died young and has been studied for 2,000 years was actually based in India is absurd. By that logic - he was in Russia, too. The Church they mention is a wing of The (Syrian) Orthodox Church; which has an abundance of preserved, accurate information out there about it.
It was the book of enoch that lead me to the LDS Church
There are concepts in the Book of Enoch that can only be understood in context by the Latter-day Saints
Love the apocryphal topics! Please keep making these and bring on Don Bradley some more too!
Just a correction. Matthew in that text wasn't preaching in Parthia, but was returning from a mysterious "Land of the Blessed" also called a "Promised Land" and met Peter and Andrew who were returning from Parthia (maybe, it could just be Greece or Syria). Matthew reports a number of remarkable things about this place, and that the inhabitants are members of one of the lost tribes. Ancient Parthia, last I checked didn't overlap with modern day Siberia. That would be Sarmatia or Scythia, both of which were rather generic terms for regions not conquered by the Romans. Parthia proper was a competing Empire which descended from the old Persian Empire of previous centuries, that shared a border with the Roman Empire. Of course, borders and land ownership shifted frequently.
Yes. It was a bit rushed but I did say he was coming from someplace BEYOND Parthia. Which i believe was Siberia.
Where can I find Acts of Matthew in the City of the Priests?
The handbook does a great job of describing the difference between priesthood authority and power. Authority comes to us through our callings and assignments and it is necessarily limited. For example, a Bishop may only serve as a bishop inside his ward. Priesthood power comes to us through our covenants, and it is limitless! Priesthood power is available to all men, women and children who have made and honored covenants.
I am loving the member only videos!!! I know they probably don't get as many views but they are definitely much appreciated! I love being a member of The Ward!!
If I don’t hear this intro when Jesus comes, burn me up
This, exactly! Best intro ever!
I'm just here for the bumper music.
Hahahaha😂
The Russian Orthodox Church has a wonderful baptismal ceremony that contains elements that parallel some of our temple ritual.
Jethro of Midian’s descendants are still out there passing down their priesthood outside of Moses
You guys are awesome. I recently subscribed to WR. I have to say, I recently learned about "lost gospels of the Bible," such as the gospels of Thomas, Mary Magdalen, and Judas. I prayed for more knowledge and then you guys gave this episode! I'm excited to learn so much more about these topics.
@3:33 When Kwaku says "they were extremely gay" re: Rome. From my understanding, the gay lifestyle in our society is pretty unique to our day. As horrific as pederasty was in Roman and Greek societies if I understand the situation correctly, men were still expected to get married and procreate. I think this is an important distinction to make because this is probably the first time in history where it's socially acceptable for significant numbers of the population to engage in a lifestyle that contributes to the depopulation of the planet. It's unheard of before our lifetime. We are truly living in the last days.
Your are to polite, Kwaku is just antiwhite.
Fascinating! Thanks guys
Maridan magizane several years ago had a BYU student go to south-east africa and recorded tribel oral tradishians about there God visiting them and showing them how to farm better.
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Moroni taught that John and the three Nephites were taken from the earth for a time... probably to the city of Enoch.
14:34 I meant to say, "St Andrew"
I have stories of Jesus visiting Russia, Japan, India and Britain after His resurrection. There’s a lot out there
Someone needs to write a book that compiles all this stuff. Maybe someone has though?
Agreed. I'd like to see all of this information. It fascinates me.
According to Jacob 5, all of the churches in the vineyard (world) apostatized. Some by blood (Nephites, Romans, Greeks, etc) and some by ink (all the rest).
No joke. 14 minutes in. Thomas. India. Jesus. Ad breaks in. Voice: "You do what God wants you to do. You show up."
That's all I'll say about that.
So you believe God spoke to you through an advertising algorithm?
That’s rad.
@@UpriseMusic Yes. That's exactly what it's not. Just like God speaking to me through you.
So good!
According to the prophet Joseph Smith, which I’m assuming quite confidently is speaking under the authority of the Lord, stated that only one individual, the president and prophet, is the only person with the authorization to hold all the keys of the Lord’s church. While some of these churches may have an unbroken history, both like the problem with the Catholic Church, ordinations would be without said keys. I believe, like with the Nephites and Lamenites, all believers will come together as one large body of saints.
23:00 Rome fell approximately 476 AD Moroni 10 is Approximateley 421 AD
My sister-in-law is Armenian and she is a very unhappy person! She’s also paranoid that every single person on earth is prejudice against her!
Of course Jesus went all over the world! It’s one of the reasons I have so much confidence about the BoM Heartland model. All the evidence in South and Central America could be attributed to trading cultures and stories with the Nephites and Christ going to more than just them.
It makes sense of the Lord establishing his gospel all over the world. I imagine that it wasn't so wide spread because he only visited the most righteous like those in Bountiful. And righteousness has been wanting in this world for several thousand years
That would be very cool but the idea that the ark of the covenant is in a cave beneath Golgotha and the blood of the Savior dripped onto the mercy seat. That story is really impressive to me.
St. Nicolas didn’t slap Arius because he was advocating for teh creeds but because he was arguing against them. We gotta get the basic facts right
Siberia works for me. India, too... and Ethiopia. By 400 AD, they had all fallen, as Moroni said. But I would love to see information on all of these groups.
I do not know who the guy is who talked about the preterits view is spot on. It’s something I came to in the last couple of years. I am a partial preterit and believe we are in the little season
Bruce Gore has a play list called the apocalypse that ya’ll might be interested in
I like the connections of the apocryphal to the Book of Mormon that you are doing. I also follow Bible-scribe who has has an app that has all these works.
I am no longer LDS but still do believe in the BOM. I appreciate the podcast and the discussions about these things. Clear back in the early 1980’s my mother listened to Einar Erickson so I was introduced to the Nag Hamadi, Dead Sea scrolls etc at age 12
I also believe the arc is in Ethiopia through reading the Kedar Negast.
really love this
This episode is epic
Our Priesthood is “stronger”, because at the start of every dispensation the priesthood must be Re-dispensed.
For example in 3 nephi, nephi had the priesthood, yet, when Christ came, Jesus re-dispensed it.
In fact it was during this time of the translation, when Joseph received the keys from John and the og first presidency for the priesthood to be Re-Dispensed
So pumped for this! I’ve been going through the Apocrypha this year and loving it.
The Apocrypha of the KJV contains no books discussing Christianity except 2 Esdres that has interpolations by Christians. Thus I don’t quite get the title of this video but as I continue may make sense.
Jonah, are all the Apocryphal works you use in your study in the same book, or several? Available on Amazon?
Kwaku Dear, If any of those other churches had the rights to the priesthood (Ethiopians for instance), don’t you think they would be using the ark?
The three main branches of Eastern Christianity are the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Oriental Orthodox Church, and the Church of the East, each of which contain multiple smaller churches (some of which have have entered into communion with the Roman Catholic Church, and are known as Eastern Catholic Churches). All of them adhere to the Nicene Creed.
Great point. Most Orthodox Churches adhere to the first thousand years of Ecumenical Councils and creeds as a whole. For Russians and Greeks, that’s half their religion.
The “Oriental Orthodox” grouping broke off first, namely in Egypt; so they only accept the first three councils.
Their breaking was mostly over language barriers, and they’ve since tried to regain communion with EO’s; to little success.
These Ward Radio dudes are so out of their depth. But there’s no excuse for the degree of error here.
I watch these things because I’ve got a horrid fascination with how people can adhere to claims that are so obviously and provably false. That’s what’s truly mind boggling
The Ethiopian church is just as old, if not older, than the Catholic Church
@@dre5716 No…. They are branches from the same trunk. One is not older than the other.
Is there a compendium of all apocryphal writings
Even if another church had the priesthood handed down, they still need the keys of the priesthood in order for their priesthood to be effective
I think Santa was mad excuse arius made a case AGAINST trinitarianism
Kwaku -asking what is the priesthood, saying we only care about Authority, keys, power we nothing about! That’s a show I would love to listen in on. Feels like we have a form of Godliness but deny the power that should come with it. Look how it’s given in the Bom it’s not how we do it.
I agree with Kwaku about the lost years in India. Also, the Egyptians claim they were converted by the Apostle Mark, and their church, the Coptic church has lasted to this day.
Do you know how hard it is not to laugh (during the "Priesthood Olympics) while my husband is trying to take a nap???? (I was listening with headphones.)
LOL I love your guys' content, it really cracks me up some times
Internecine snake wars among saints. Gotta love it.
The Roman's and greeks were not gay. But I'm not surprised kwaku believes that, its rather on brand for him
Shawn Mc Craney has announced that in May he is going after the LDS church again so it could be interesting to have him on for a chat about that!
Question for @Jonah Barnes. I'm working on a project. What are 7-14 authentic apocryphal documents from the New Testament times? Now that I know about Thomas and Matthew's acts.
I kinda miss Quake. He got a little wild and then I haven't seen him. Everyone has a bad day. I hope he didn’t quit. People make mistakes. Bring him back when he feels ready (if he is gone). Anybody know anything about his status that is appropriate to share?
In the book Daughters of My Kingdom there are women (not sure about the whole family) who went to Utah during Brigham Young’s times.
You know, I remember reading that said that most men think about Rome about every day.🤷🏽♀️
You need to do a live reading of the discourse on Abbaton
So, the patriarchy has been established in the spirit world. There's no escape!
Ethiopians have the absolute best food in the world. Hands down!
@jonahbarnes If one wanted to start reading apocryphal readings, where would you begin?
EarlyChristianWritings -dot- org. Or EarlyJewishWritings - dot - org
“For a rock is every disciple of Christ ... But if you suppose that upon the one Peter only the whole church is built by God, what would you say about John the son of thunder or each one of the Apostles? Shall we otherwise dare to say, that against Peter in particular the gates of Hades shall not prevail, but that they shall prevail against the other Apostles and the perfect? Does not the saying previously made, ‘The gates of Hades shall not prevail against it,’ hold in regard to all and in the case of each of them?" - Origen, Early Patristic Father on non-Roman Christian Churches
Later, in Book XIII, Chapter 31, in his same Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew that you referenced, Origen wrote: "But since it was necessary, even if something in common had been said in the case of Peter and those who had thrice admonished the brethren, that Peter should have some element superior to those who thrice admonished, in the case of Peter, this saying 'I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of the heavens,' (Matthew 16:19) has been specially set before the words, 'And whatever things you shall bind on earth,' etc. And, indeed, if we were to attend carefully to the evangelical writings, we would also find here, and in relation to those things which seem to be common to Peter and those who have thrice admonished the brethren, a great difference and a pre-eminence in the things said to Peter, compared with the second class. For it is no small difference that Peter received the keys not of one heaven but of more, and in order that whatsoever things he binds on the earth may be bound not in one heaven but in them all, as compared with the many who bind on earth and loose on earth, so that these things are bound and loosed not in the heavens, as in the case of Peter, but in one only; for they do not reach so high a stage, with power as Peter to bind and loose in all the heavens (Matthew 16:19)."
Everyone in the western world thinks about the Roman Empire every day, whether you know it or not. The RE is still with us in our calendar, medical nomenclature, laws, systems of government, civil engineering, and even some strictly cultural things like stadiums and arenas where entertainment happens.
You guys have such good points but if you can’t take yourselfs seriously then how do you expect others to
May I suggest that there were Apostles called that we have not record of that were called to replace Apostles as they died? At least, to the point that the Apostles were no long able to come together or have the required amount to call new apostles.
Egypt has a tradition that St. Mark came to Egypt and converted the Egypttians, beginning the Coptic or Egyptian Church.
It would be very helpful if you guys would actually give us links, websites or the name of the books this info is coming from so that your beloved followers could actually go and read this stuff for themselves. Since there is a great deal of interruptions and side stories that happens constantly on your videos.
If you wanna know the truth you gotta put in the work my guy. Here a little there a little 😉
Yes, do your research because these bozos have no ideas what they’re talking about. Just because Mormons are clueless about genuine church history doesn’t mean any of these things are news….but their bizarre twist, Mormon twist on them is just crazy.
I think Jonah Barnes should write a book with all this stuff compiled. I would buy it for sure!
Of all of the ancient churches, how many look more like LDS religion vs orthodox Christianity.
John didn't become Bigfoot, he was the "professor" during the convention they held to design the flag of the new Republic. President Reagan spoke about it.
Late to the party, but maybe we should add the Ojibwe to the list of contiguous christian churches?
It’s also worth remembering that all these churches have oecumenical relationships with the Orthodox and Catholic churches, and they also recognise each other’s sacraments (including orders).
Also that the vast majority of apocryphal writings are not recognised as canonical by any if them (the Ethiopians do recognise a couple, but far from many). And none if the apocrypha contain anything remotely Mormon.
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That was intense, Kwaku! 😄
I absolutely love this page but my head is drowning in new information 🛟
Gerald Lund’s The Second Coming Of The Lord clearly explains that the lost ten tribes will not only come but also bring their records, the priesthood and additional scripture. How is it possible that y’all haven’t read or listened to this book? 🤷♂️
35:17 - "Is Jonah Barnes full of crack?" 🤣
Parthia is in the Middle East, not Siberia.
It's called Europa The Last Battle. Everyone should watch it. And it's not about Romans.
29:00 in Revelation chapter 2 verse 6 it seems to make the Nicolaitans sound like a wicked group.
Non of these churches have Mormon doctrine and the Catholic Church is not "euro-centric". Tell that to the other churches in communion with the Roman church.
Do they have temples?
The restoration restored the Priesthood. Period. There is no ambiguity that other legit Priesthoods exist. Prophets have been clear. The doctrine of the church is the authority to act for God, which what it is, was lost. Kwaku is off on the Priesthood topic.
"Forbid him not, for he who is not against us is for us"
I think Mulek and his people smuggled out the Ark to the new world and hid it and didn't write about it.
Santa struck him because he didn't believe in the concept of the Trinity. Aryus wasn't right either. He didn't consider Jesus to be a God in his own right
Hey friends - me again! Just to clarify, the Apostles didn’t establish 12 different churches, similar to denominations. They established churches and communities that still were under the umbrella of the one holy, Catholic and apostolic Church! You mentioned St. Thomas in India, Tradition says he evangelized India and founded the Syro-Malabar Church. They still exist today, but they are still under Rome and the Pope! In Catholicism, there are many Eastern Catholic Churches such as Byzantine or Maronite, but they aren’t separate, they are still under Rome! It’s sort of like how in Catholicism, we have different Diocese around the world, each run by a Bishop or an Arch Bishop. The Pope is simply the Bishop of Rome, being the successor of Peter who Christ built His Church upon! The Apostles not only passed down the faith, but they passed down the office of Bishop through what we call, Apostolic Succession. Catholics trace our origin all the way back to the Apostles and to Christ Himself!
Also, Arius was punched because he was spreading heresy lol The whole Church disagreed with Arius because he started teaching that Christ was made by God the Father rather than Christ being co-eternal with the Father. The Church teaches that all 3 persons of the Holy Trinity are co-eternal with each other. Do we condone St. Nicholas’ punch…not necessarily, but it is pretty funny! lol 😂
-your friendly neighborhood Catholic! :)
The Pope is cool, but he's merely a bishop. That's just one of the many priesthood offices mentioned in the Bible. And these churches are indeed independent from Catholicism, which means "universal". Our Catholic brother and sisters are wonderful and we love them, but we shouldn't forget that they are just 1/12th of the Churches set up by the original Apostles. We're glad a few of them survived to make the world a better place.
Well, the Eastern Catholic Churches have not always been in communion with Rome. Rather they were separate but later joined the Roman Catholic Church. Also, the eastern Christians outside of the Roman Catholic Church would contend that, from their point of view, you guys are the schismatic heretics, not them, so they were never subject to your church, but I’m not here to fight about that.
@@WARDRADIO I appreciate your reply. That’s my point though, that the Catholic Church isn’t just 1/12 of the churches set up by the Apostles. There is still One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Just like Peter is one of the Apostles, he was also the head of the Apostles being the Rock that Christ built His Church on. The Pope is the successor to Peter and is the Bishop of Rome, just like we have many Bishops around the world that are in charge of a community or Diocese, they still fall under the leadership of the Holy Father (Pope).
I know we’ll agree to disagree lol but just looking out for the Church! I still appreciate the conversation my friends! 🙏🏼
Sorry, the Syro-Malabar church didn’t come under Rome until the 1500’s. Rome spent lots of time and effort trying to bring many of the ancient Eastern churches under its authority, promising them financial support and “no changes required”. The changes always came later, with forced latinization. Rome accepted Nestorians, non-Chalcedon christians and orthodox groups under these terms. The Syro-Malabar had no connection to Rome prior to the 1500’s, and it’s been a rocky road, to say the least.
@@longfellowmarketing4192either way, my point still stands that the church established in India wasn’t independent from the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church. Most if not all the eastern rite churches under Rome have kept their eastern traditions I would say. I’ve been to a few like the Maronite Catholic Mass which is beautiful!
So you are saying they have stone tablets (Law of Moses), in a gold box (Ark of the Covenant), in a stone box (Church of Saint George)? But how close are these churches to the original Christian church, like do they do baptism by immersion in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and the laying on of hands to give the Gift of the Holy Ghost? Do they claim to be led by Apostles and Prophets?
Did I mis the sacrament again?
The priests can drop by your house later. No worries
Just a correction. The oriental orthodox churches like the Ethiopian and Armenian are creedal.
I don’t believe it was brought up the Mark founded the church in Egypt as Coptic Christians. The chapels are still there from original. This is another church that traces back to original Apostles.
So cool!
The prevalence and acceptance of homosexual behavior in Ancient Greece and Rome has been pretty exaggerated by modern historians, even if it was somewhat downplayed by the Christian historians of the past.
This is true-sexual perversion, like any other moral failing-has existed throughout time, especially as societies decay. But to claim it was generally accepted says more about the speaker than the anything else.
To be clear, SSA is a manifestation of underlying psychological disorder, and theres no reason to think that this is constant across societies. Its when people act on such impulses that a moral dimension enters the picture.
BTW, YT tends to consider what i just said “hate speech” and is likely to give me another 24 hour ban!
Adam was baptized I don’t think the heads of the dispensations were in spirt prision
Loved this!! I think of how exciting it would be to unite with those ancient Churches and compare notes on what miracles we have witnessed because of the mercy of God. ❤
"Europol just emailed us and demanded that we remove a post someone made on Gab sharing a link to the documentary Europa The Last Battle". Not only will we not remove it, but I'll also share the link here and encourage you to watch the documentary that the EU cronies are terrified of you watching."
Andrew Torba
Is Kwaku an EU crony too? I want to know...
Small correction. Almost all the churches you mentioned are creedle churches but they are non-chalcedonian.
Say wut
Well, but that's kind of a contradiction,no? You can't have be Creedal and reject the Creeds too. Chalcedon is no small Creed. The nature of Christ underpins everything.
@@jonahbarnes5841Rejecting Chalcedon (4th Ecumenical Council) actually has nothing to do with the creeds. Non-chalcedonians (eg, Armenian Orthodox) use the Nicene-Constantinopolitan creed with no changes, just like the Orthodox do. Chalcedon was not a “creedal” issue.
@longfellowmarketing4192 I'm not sure what to say. The Ethiopian Church is just as old and just as contiguous as the Catholic. Maybe that's hard to hear, but the Catholic claim to primacy is challenged. They do NOT align with the Creeds, and have a few flavors of their own. The Catholics prevail not because they're older, or have more authority, but because they hitched their cart to the horse of western Europe. We're glad they did! But that doesn't mean they have any more authority than these other Churches.
I’m not arguing anything about the RC church. I’m simply saying that all of these churches use the Nicean creed, including the Ethiopians. None of them are non-credal.
Theres something off about kwaku lately
The greek/Rome mgay push was from a gay activist scholar.
In short, it wasn't.
I don't believe that Christ spent the years between 13 and 30 traveling the world. He was an observant Jew, and all the records show that he wasn't wealthy. Where would he have had the means to travel all over the world. I do believe that prophets in those lands had revelations, but I don't believe He spent the time traveling.
Ethiopia have the Garima Gospels.
This was not one of your greatest videos from a factuality point of view. It was entertaining though.
It makes me think of 3 Nephi verse 1 where Jesus says that He has other sheep, which are not of this land, neither of the land of Jerusalem, neither in any parts of that land round about whither I have been to minister. I suppose He means all these places you are talking about. It makes sense.
Except Jesus never said that. Joseph Smith did.
Ethiopian Orthodox Church for the W
The Sanskrit language came from the Aryans, the Lithuanians speak Sanskrit.
Joan of Arc did not have the priesthood.
Roman and greek gayness is a modern myth
No one got Christmas that year 😂
Ward Radio: Team ADHD!
Please go and read the Lost Gospel. So much evidence out of Armenia with evidence of Christs marriage and symbolism of bees and Beehives.
My guess is when Tibet is free, the Dalai Lama will return to the Potola Palace and reveal/find new scripture that is buried/hidden there. I also think there are records buried/hidden in Kashmir/Jammu.
I’m stoked for Asian scripture to be revealed
They may be the same since the middle aged but they don't have a prophet to be Christ's representative.
It’s because of the Orthodox and Catholic Church that we even have “The Bible” as we know it.
They, along with the Jewish authors of The Tanakh, invented most of the language and concepts Joseph Smith would later abuse.
yes, good chance Jesus was in India. Also good chance He was studying with the Essenes.
There’s 0% historical evidence for this.
Early Hinduism has parallels to Judaism, and Jesus was a Jew - but that’s it.
He lived, died, and his resurrection all occurred exclusively in modern-day Israel.
@@UpriseMusic Oh really? And of course history always stays the Same. Nor is it ever challenged. Evidence for Essenes already out there.
@@UpriseMusic oh really? of course history is always correct and never changes. never mind all the records writings and transcripts that have been destroyed about that time period. and of course one would have to ignore the ones that have been discovered to not know about the Essenes.
@@ruralgirl13 The Essenes were a mystic Jewish sect during the Second Temple period (in Israel) that lived from the 2nd century BCE to the 1st century CE.
There’s always new findings - but imaging that a poor Jewish man that died young and has been studied for 2,000 years was actually based in India is absurd.
By that logic - he was in Russia, too.
The Church they mention is a wing of The (Syrian) Orthodox Church; which has an abundance of preserved, accurate information out there about it.
@@UpriseMusic not based in India. Studied there before starting His ministry. Anything else would be after His resurrection.