If you’ve ever seen Elmer Fudd from Looney Toons… a FUDD is someone who embodies having a stick up their ass bout shooting. Maybe they’re 1911 Die hards. Maybe they talk shit bout dots. “I’ve never needed a dot and I used iron sights back in NAM and won the war!”
It started out as a reference to Elmer Fudd, and was applied to gun owners, usually older, who would say things like the 2nd Amendment is for hunting, you don't need more than XYZ rounds in your gun, 22s are the most deadly caliber, etc. Just generally wrong stuff that inexperienced shooters thought before firearms education and information became more prevalent. These days it generally refers to that old school misguided mentality, but applied to a wider range of topics.
My fud range will not allow the use of plastic barrels as vision barriers for training or matches….because “the bullet can spin around and kill the shooter”. LOL.
Oh, I can one up that. Had a DNR officer state that the reason that a friend couldn't shoot a pumpkin on a public outdoor range, which was damn near used as a disposal site for everything short of vehicles, was due to the pumpkin being able to deflect the round back at the shooter. And the fucker was serious.
Your range may be a fudd range but if you catch a pistol round on the edge of a plastic barrel, it can spin inside of it. I can’t recall one ever exiting the barrel again but it is a real thing and an unsettling thing to hear.
@@counselingpsychology I've heard that sound like twenty times now and have never once heard of it leading to an injury. There would have to be a big ass hole in the barrel for it to exit, because the path of least resistance is to keep going around in circles until friction slows it down. Exiting through another bullet hole (or creating a new one) isn't a thing that's going to happen.
@@ShadetreeArmorer You experiencing it 20 times and never having an injury doesn’t warrant a conclusion that it won’t lead to injury. I don’t know how safe it really is and your conclusion that it is requires a lot of assumptions. Not the least of which is that an N of 20 = knowledge. We’re on the same team here which is wanting everyone to go home at the end of a range day :)
@@counselingpsychology At a range that uses probably a hundred plastic barrels as stage props and has done for at least two decades. Likely hundreds of thousands, if not millions of rounds down range with people practicing and matches twice a month and nobody's ever been hit by a bullet doing a 180 in a barrel. Plenty of other things to waste your time worrying about.
WHOA THERE SONNY THAT'S WAY MORE THAN ONE SHOT PER SECOND YOU NEED TO GET A REAL GUN LIKE A 1911, NOT ONE OF THEM PLASTIC TOYS THEY CALL GUNS THESE DAYS
Totally agree Ben on this, I normally go train alone for things I want to go work on, like shooting on the move, entries and exits, etc. You can't do this in an indoor range nor can you do this with a group of people. The things I might want to train on, might not be the things other people might want to train on, so this is why I prefer training alone. There is a range here in the Dallas/Fort Worth area called ETTS, and I love going here because I can get a bay all to myself and just train on things I want to train on, without the dumb crazy indoor rules.
Ben is completely focused on safety with training. I've taken his classes. If he has the opportunity to train without having to deal with idiots, more power to him!!
The "If you don't like it go ahead and start your own range" argument is moronic. Anyone who believes that needs to extend that argument out to everything else to see just how silly it is. Don't like the movie you just saw? Well go film your own movie. Don't like the meal in a restaurant? You should cook it yourself or open your own restaurant. Don't like a feature in your car? Well, go and start manufacturing your own cars. See how rediculous it gets? Yes the ranges can make their own rules. People are free to criticize those rules while they go elsewhere. If the fudds don't like people to express their opinions well that's just too bad. I guess they can retreat to their 'safe space' ranges. But they don't get to control whether people criticise them. Controlling personalities like that are part of the reason that USPSA is in the fix it is currently in.
Same! Same Ben! I've checked out more than a few Fudd ranges and didn't waste a second arguing with them or getting mad. Even when they had extremely condescending Fudd attitudes, as almost all Fudds tend to. I simply left and took my business elsewhere. I was able to find a much better range with far less restrictions. Oh, and guess what else. They still have rules!!!! IKR! Crazy that they still have basic safety rules and a few restrictions. However, I'm allowed to shoot my own steel. I'm allowed to conduct live fire movements and there are no caliber restrictions. The best parts are that it was a 350m range, it's rarely occupied and only cost me $60 a year. I'm a free market kind of guy and you can ask any price for a firearm or accessory you like, and you can conduct your gun shop/range any way you like. The free market will always self-correct for overpricing and crap attitudes. I don't argue about any of it. I simply let me dollars do my talking.
I don’t think the problem with a fudd range is just the unflinching rigid rules, but also how they enforce them. Watching a fudd literally screaming at a guy and his 8 year old daughter for walking up to the RO and asking where to shoot instead of checking in at the office first is both ridiculous and not uncommon. I understand working at a gun range can be emotionally taxing with trying to manage idiots and safety. But the people responsible for customer service at a fudd range can be some of the most verbally unhinged people who respond to every infraction like you just pointed a muzzle at their face.
Ugh yeah I just experienced this at the new range I signed up to. I was talked to about rapid firing. I was doing bill drills. Was told I would have to inform them that I was gonna do that and it’s at the RSOs discretion. Their reasoning was just because I can do it there might be others who might feel uncomfortable or maybe hear it and start doing it too and might not be able to handle doing it.
If you need to zero your gun, test a load, try a new spring etc, there are plenty of places to do that. However if want to move, shoot fast, have multiple targets or even chrono in Az...good luck. Ben Avery which has a huge public range does have Practical Pistol bays for rent where you can do all those other things. Typically you have to be a member of Cactus Combat League or a dedicated firearms training business to be able to use those ranges however getting a reservation is very challenging. That really is the only place in Phoenix other than going to the desert where you can have the freedom to train for competition.
Pops took me to range years ago that had indoor,semi outdoor like covered,at 100,& the 300 outdoor you had to qualify to go down to,but could call own downrange ect. It worked fine
I suppose I agree. Whatever rule the range wants, the range gets. It's not worth the effort to argue about it. I go to an indoor range that's somewhat tolerant of rapid shooting. Once I get warmed up, I tend to exceed the speed limit. The worst that's happened is the RO stands behind me to make sure I'm shooting well. If I am, no harm done. They say the reason for the speed limit is to avoid running people off. I can understand that. I've been there on a couple occasions when I decided to split because the AR's, and whatnot, were intolerable. I set up, fired a few rounds, then walked out. It can get stupid.
My counter-comment to this would be that some of these "fudd" ranges are non-profits that have a board. Getting people to join, vote for new board members, then take over and change the rules is definitely a thing you can do. Everyone raves about the Iowa Sectional match, and many don't know that range used to be a fudd range. But because it's a non-profit (Izaak Walton League) some competition shooters were able to get on the board and effect change.
@Ben Stoeger I watched the video those comments came from... I didn't get the same vibe they did. I've been to a couple indoor/outdoor ranges that have been decent and a couple that had some nonsense rules. One with not so great flexibility had pretty decent A/C so in the summer here in AZ I'd go in and just work on the things I could.
I definitely feel wanting to be in the AC while shooting sometimes. Its too damn hot and humid here in SC in the summer, so sometimes I'll just deal with the range rules to not sweat to death lol. But like you said, you work on what you can!
Im fortunate I am seeing from all the commenters. My range is private. We have rules, but everyone is an adult. We have 11 pistol bays with the range depth going from 30 yards to 100 yards, depending on wgich bay you use. You can shoot rifle to pistol in these bays. If your shooting full auto there is a bay for that too. We have the a 300 yd range and 1000 yd range. You can shoot as fast or slow as you want at the range. Mag dumps encouraged. We also have a full on shotgun Clays range with throw houses and competition shooting. We host many USPCA shoots as well for pistol and 3 gun. We have a club house and heated shacks/cabins for shooting in the winter at rifle and pistol bays. We don't have authoritarian RO's policing us. We have no problems or accidents. Range is open to public on Sundays All this for $175 a year. Snowshoe gun club, Kenai Alaska. The lower 48 is clownshoes with firearms and fudds.
I keep seeing ranges that don't even allow you to come on the property with a concealed carry and they are outdoor multi bay type ranges. Just absurd to me.
If you're training for competition, unless you are just a complete introvert, you will definitely find others who have access to action bays at the range that you can coordinate training sessions with. May take some time, but you can eventually meet people to train with.
We have a range here in Dallas Fort Worth Area called ETTS and I always prefer training alone, why?? Because I can work on things that I want to work on. When you go with a group, they might not want to train on the things you want to work on. This is the biggest difference, I'm also a former D1 track and field athlete too and we all had our own work outs, that we preferred. Some one people might train on their starts, while some people might want to train on their endurance, etc. This is no different then shooting, everyone has their own training.
If you are really into it you probably just need to find a private range nearby. Sucks to have to coordinate to get normal practice sessions in. At least around here there is probably 4-5. They are all filled with fudds but you can at least set up targets and do the stuff you need to do to improve.
Unfortunately range rules are based on the lowest common denominator. I have had ROs come up to me at a public range asking me to slow down my shooting when I am grouping into a 2" circle. The comment that I get is - "I can see that you are fine but if you do it, the guys in the other lanes will do the same and they will shoot up the floor and the ceiling." Is it a stupid rule? I can see the signs of floor and ceiling (and wall) hits. So it is not something that they have made up. So just because it constrains me needlessly, does not mean that it is not a needed rule. I am fortunate enough to have several venues where I can train. When time and/or weather constrains me to the places that limit my training options, I try to make the best with what I got. I will move the target further and/or make it smaller forcing me to shoot at a pace that is acceptable to the people running the range.
I have a membership at a semi-fudd private range. Lots of stupid rules in the areas like the 100 yard rifle zeroing range as it's full of completely untrained people all the time. Fortunately you can mostly do anything you want in the action bays and there are enough of them that you can always get one all to yourself even if a club match is being run but the one dumb rule is no muzzles above the berm, even during reloads. You may have even noticed people who train at my range at big matches as we all have a distinctive reload haha. I do have nice wooded BLM land I can drive into to do whatever I want about equidistant from my house as well but regular training is much more convenient to do at the range as they have lots of facilities and all the stands and props I could ever want all ready to go so I usually choose the range despite the funny rule.
We aren't going to the range to take a pistol for a spin and "exercise our 2A rights." We want and need to train specific things for a specific reason. That training involves firing quickly at multiple targets while moving, things you just can't do at most ranges. As noted, they have good reasons for the rules that they enforce, insurance and liability being high among them. I also have good reasons for not visiting those ranges, primarily that slow fire for accuracy is mainly about grip and stance and I can do that with dry fire at home. Ranges don't offer the training we need, so we come up with other options. What is so hard to understand?
@@felixdewinter3484 Have you ever been in a real gun fight??? Because I have, and everything you basically take from competition shooting where you need to shoot on the move quickly or there are multiple threats is a real thing. Once agian shooting a shitty local indoor range where you can only shoot standing still at a paper won't prepare you for a real life shooting. I can guarantee you my life on it.
Liability is so stupid in today's age. Whatever happened to the old philosophy that if you do something stupid, it's your fault. Makes no sense to me that if somebody negligently shoots themselves or others, they get a one-way ticket to the piggy bank that is the range owners' business account. It's not the range owner's fault.
@@DJG37S oh you were in a gunfight, please tell me more about it namely where it took place, when it took place, the parties involved, and what local newspaper reported on it or if there is any video of it?
@@musicman1eanda blame the insurance companies who insure these establishments and their restrictive policies not the court system man. You’re looking in the wrong place.
I love my fudd range,I get to come and go as I please, yes the rules they placed there are for safety since the place is never supervised, if I want to train differently I just go somewhere else
I think a couple of those commenters totally misunderstood what you were getting at, and took it as you were complaining, when you weren’t. They don’t know you like we do Ben. Lol 🤷🏼♂️
Seems like it went from fuddism to authoritarianism, or is it one in the same? I think it's good for any business to get feedback from customers, potential customers, or former customers to know what they did and did not like and maybe why. How else can they know how to better serve? Or are they just in business to stick it to people with odd rules and revel in it?
A lot of these people have attitude problems, they are just looking for something to offload resentment onto. You can spot them when the purpose of the rules as it meets the circumstance have no bearing on their arguments.
Rules are mere suggestions. Either we say they work or, a a class 3 lower comes out a mag dump occurs then you giggle and pack your stuff as you insult their economic situation.
Hearing the comments from people about your view on Fudds made me laugh. If you think about it, the people demanding you compromise or go somewhere and obey their rules are people that get upset when you say I'll just head to the desert or the farm whatever...why? Because these people need someone to make rules that they are willing to compromise with to feel safe. Out in the desert there's no rules.....you compromise nothing and that infuriates them. Seeing and hearing others who will not bend the knee drives them nuts. Compromise is resort when there is no choice left. I choose as do others to go out away from the dog pounds and shoot by our own rules and the only compromise we make is with God not to rain on us if we head to church on Sunday. Cheers!
The "Fudd" word is meaningless these days, it's over-used. I guess it's a shorthand for explaining that the "Fudd" has more respect for rules/systems, even when they don't work in an application. A "Fudd" is a follower, a maintainer-of-order-even-when-it's-disorder. But what does that have to do, now or earlier in history, with Elmer Fudd? Who ever said Elmer Fudd was a real person? Why do people consider teevee cartoon characters REALITY? Short version: it looks silly to call another a Fudd, unless you want intelligent folks to see you as the fool. Explain the person's "problem," if you must complain. Calling them "Fudd" tells me nothing.
@@guyshamblin9032 Well that's the obvious question, eh? I think people gravitate toward structures and rules when they want outside assurance (big Authority), but total deference to the big Authority suggests a desire to not think for one's self. To me at least.
"Required by the insurance" is not even close to true. I worked on my club's renewal in 2023, the carriers who cover gun clubs and shooting ranges don't have crazy detailed requirements. In fact their coverage requirements aren't granular enough, they are too generic. I'm not trying to pitch my services but if you know a range/club that believes they have strident rules originating in the carrier's underwriting -- well I could sure help them do better, either at understanding their coverage or understanding how to find better coverage.
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What's a FUDD?
If you have to ask you are one.
If you’ve ever seen Elmer Fudd from Looney Toons… a FUDD is someone who embodies having a stick up their ass bout shooting. Maybe they’re 1911 Die hards. Maybe they talk shit bout dots. “I’ve never needed a dot and I used iron sights back in NAM and won the war!”
Biden is a FUDD because he thinks we only need a two barrel shotgun for home defense
It started out as a reference to Elmer Fudd, and was applied to gun owners, usually older, who would say things like the 2nd Amendment is for hunting, you don't need more than XYZ rounds in your gun, 22s are the most deadly caliber, etc. Just generally wrong stuff that inexperienced shooters thought before firearms education and information became more prevalent.
These days it generally refers to that old school misguided mentality, but applied to a wider range of topics.
This is actually a great question
Fundds outed themselves in the comment section
YOU DONT NEED AN AR15 TO HUNT DEER SONNY!
Lol !😂😂😂😂
YOU THINK THE DEER IS WEARING A KEVLAR VEST!? Cmon man
My fud range will not allow the use of plastic barrels as vision barriers for training or matches….because “the bullet can spin around and kill the shooter”. LOL.
Oh, I can one up that. Had a DNR officer state that the reason that a friend couldn't shoot a pumpkin on a public outdoor range, which was damn near used as a disposal site for everything short of vehicles, was due to the pumpkin being able to deflect the round back at the shooter. And the fucker was serious.
Your range may be a fudd range but if you catch a pistol round on the edge of a plastic barrel, it can spin inside of it. I can’t recall one ever exiting the barrel again but it is a real thing and an unsettling thing to hear.
@@counselingpsychology I've heard that sound like twenty times now and have never once heard of it leading to an injury. There would have to be a big ass hole in the barrel for it to exit, because the path of least resistance is to keep going around in circles until friction slows it down. Exiting through another bullet hole (or creating a new one) isn't a thing that's going to happen.
@@ShadetreeArmorer You experiencing it 20 times and never having an injury doesn’t warrant a conclusion that it won’t lead to injury. I don’t know how safe it really is and your conclusion that it is requires a lot of assumptions. Not the least of which is that an N of 20 = knowledge.
We’re on the same team here which is wanting everyone to go home at the end of a range day :)
@@counselingpsychology At a range that uses probably a hundred plastic barrels as stage props and has done for at least two decades. Likely hundreds of thousands, if not millions of rounds down range with people practicing and matches twice a month and nobody's ever been hit by a bullet doing a 180 in a barrel. Plenty of other things to waste your time worrying about.
WHOA THERE SONNY THAT'S WAY MORE THAN ONE SHOT PER SECOND YOU NEED TO GET A REAL GUN LIKE A 1911, NOT ONE OF THEM PLASTIC TOYS THEY CALL GUNS THESE DAYS
"Being limited by stupid rules like no holster draws or 1 shot per second is stupid". Fudds: "How dare you say ALL rules are bad!!".
Totally agree Ben on this, I normally go train alone for things I want to go work on, like shooting on the move, entries and exits, etc. You can't do this in an indoor range nor can you do this with a group of people. The things I might want to train on, might not be the things other people might want to train on, so this is why I prefer training alone.
There is a range here in the Dallas/Fort Worth area called ETTS, and I love going here because I can get a bay all to myself and just train on things I want to train on, without the dumb crazy indoor rules.
Ben is completely focused on safety with training. I've taken his classes. If he has the opportunity to train without having to deal with idiots, more power to him!!
The "If you don't like it go ahead and start your own range" argument is moronic. Anyone who believes that needs to extend that argument out to everything else to see just how silly it is. Don't like the movie you just saw? Well go film your own movie. Don't like the meal in a restaurant? You should cook it yourself or open your own restaurant. Don't like a feature in your car? Well, go and start manufacturing your own cars. See how rediculous it gets? Yes the ranges can make their own rules. People are free to criticize those rules while they go elsewhere. If the fudds don't like people to express their opinions well that's just too bad. I guess they can retreat to their 'safe space' ranges. But they don't get to control whether people criticise them. Controlling personalities like that are part of the reason that USPSA is in the fix it is currently in.
Same! Same Ben! I've checked out more than a few Fudd ranges and didn't waste a second arguing with them or getting mad. Even when they had extremely condescending Fudd attitudes, as almost all Fudds tend to. I simply left and took my business elsewhere. I was able to find a much better range with far less restrictions. Oh, and guess what else. They still have rules!!!! IKR! Crazy that they still have basic safety rules and a few restrictions. However, I'm allowed to shoot my own steel. I'm allowed to conduct live fire movements and there are no caliber restrictions. The best parts are that it was a 350m range, it's rarely occupied and only cost me $60 a year. I'm a free market kind of guy and you can ask any price for a firearm or accessory you like, and you can conduct your gun shop/range any way you like. The free market will always self-correct for overpricing and crap attitudes. I don't argue about any of it. I simply let me dollars do my talking.
I don’t think the problem with a fudd range is just the unflinching rigid rules, but also how they enforce them. Watching a fudd literally screaming at a guy and his 8 year old daughter for walking up to the RO and asking where to shoot instead of checking in at the office first is both ridiculous and not uncommon. I understand working at a gun range can be emotionally taxing with trying to manage idiots and safety. But the people responsible for customer service at a fudd range can be some of the most verbally unhinged people who respond to every infraction like you just pointed a muzzle at their face.
Ugh yeah I just experienced this at the new range I signed up to. I was talked to about rapid firing. I was doing bill drills. Was told I would have to inform them that I was gonna do that and it’s at the RSOs discretion. Their reasoning was just because I can do it there might be others who might feel uncomfortable or maybe hear it and start doing it too and might not be able to handle doing it.
If you need to zero your gun, test a load, try a new spring etc, there are plenty of places to do that. However if want to move, shoot fast, have multiple targets or even chrono in Az...good luck. Ben Avery which has a huge public range does have Practical Pistol bays for rent where you can do all those other things. Typically you have to be a member of Cactus Combat League or a dedicated firearms training business to be able to use those ranges however getting a reservation is very challenging. That really is the only place in Phoenix other than going to the desert where you can have the freedom to train for competition.
If you start a range I will be member even that I’m leaving in Sweden.
Pops took me to range years ago that had indoor,semi outdoor like covered,at 100,& the 300 outdoor you had to qualify to go down to,but could call own downrange ect. It worked fine
I suppose I agree. Whatever rule the range wants, the range gets. It's not worth the effort to argue about it. I go to an indoor range that's somewhat tolerant of rapid shooting. Once I get warmed up, I tend to exceed the speed limit. The worst that's happened is the RO stands behind me to make sure I'm shooting well. If I am, no harm done. They say the reason for the speed limit is to avoid running people off. I can understand that. I've been there on a couple occasions when I decided to split because the AR's, and whatnot, were intolerable. I set up, fired a few rounds, then walked out. It can get stupid.
My counter-comment to this would be that some of these "fudd" ranges are non-profits that have a board. Getting people to join, vote for new board members, then take over and change the rules is definitely a thing you can do. Everyone raves about the Iowa Sectional match, and many don't know that range used to be a fudd range. But because it's a non-profit (Izaak Walton League) some competition shooters were able to get on the board and effect change.
A range near me has a rule that you can only load 5 rounds per mag on semi auto rocked
@Ben Stoeger I watched the video those comments came from... I didn't get the same vibe they did. I've been to a couple indoor/outdoor ranges that have been decent and a couple that had some nonsense rules. One with not so great flexibility had pretty decent A/C so in the summer here in AZ I'd go in and just work on the things I could.
I definitely feel wanting to be in the AC while shooting sometimes. Its too damn hot and humid here in SC in the summer, so sometimes I'll just deal with the range rules to not sweat to death lol. But like you said, you work on what you can!
I agree with you.
I’m really interviewing a range, if it won’t work for me, I walk.
Im fortunate I am seeing from all the commenters. My range is private. We have rules, but everyone is an adult.
We have 11 pistol bays with the range depth going from 30 yards to 100 yards, depending on wgich bay you use. You can shoot rifle to pistol in these bays. If your shooting full auto there is a bay for that too.
We have the a 300 yd range and 1000 yd range.
You can shoot as fast or slow as you want at the range. Mag dumps encouraged.
We also have a full on shotgun Clays range with throw houses and competition shooting. We host many USPCA shoots as well for pistol and 3 gun.
We have a club house and heated shacks/cabins for shooting in the winter at rifle and pistol bays.
We don't have authoritarian RO's policing us. We have no problems or accidents.
Range is open to public on Sundays
All this for $175 a year.
Snowshoe gun club, Kenai Alaska.
The lower 48 is clownshoes with firearms and fudds.
I keep seeing ranges that don't even allow you to come on the property with a concealed carry and they are outdoor multi bay type ranges. Just absurd to me.
If you're training for competition, unless you are just a complete introvert, you will definitely find others who have access to action bays at the range that you can coordinate training sessions with. May take some time, but you can eventually meet people to train with.
We have a range here in Dallas Fort Worth Area called ETTS and I always prefer training alone, why?? Because I can work on things that I want to work on. When you go with a group, they might not want to train on the things you want to work on. This is the biggest difference, I'm also a former D1 track and field athlete too and we all had our own work outs, that we preferred. Some one people might train on their starts, while some people might want to train on their endurance, etc. This is no different then shooting, everyone has their own training.
If you are really into it you probably just need to find a private range nearby. Sucks to have to coordinate to get normal practice sessions in. At least around here there is probably 4-5. They are all filled with fudds but you can at least set up targets and do the stuff you need to do to improve.
Shotgun heavy range near me has a rule about pistols must be concealed outside of the pistol bay area. Even walking bay to bay
Unfortunately range rules are based on the lowest common denominator. I have had ROs come up to me at a public range asking me to slow down my shooting when I am grouping into a 2" circle. The comment that I get is - "I can see that you are fine but if you do it, the guys in the other lanes will do the same and they will shoot up the floor and the ceiling." Is it a stupid rule? I can see the signs of floor and ceiling (and wall) hits. So it is not something that they have made up. So just because it constrains me needlessly, does not mean that it is not a needed rule. I am fortunate enough to have several venues where I can train. When time and/or weather constrains me to the places that limit my training options, I try to make the best with what I got. I will move the target further and/or make it smaller forcing me to shoot at a pace that is acceptable to the people running the range.
I have a membership at a semi-fudd private range. Lots of stupid rules in the areas like the 100 yard rifle zeroing range as it's full of completely untrained people all the time. Fortunately you can mostly do anything you want in the action bays and there are enough of them that you can always get one all to yourself even if a club match is being run but the one dumb rule is no muzzles above the berm, even during reloads. You may have even noticed people who train at my range at big matches as we all have a distinctive reload haha. I do have nice wooded BLM land I can drive into to do whatever I want about equidistant from my house as well but regular training is much more convenient to do at the range as they have lots of facilities and all the stands and props I could ever want all ready to go so I usually choose the range despite the funny rule.
We aren't going to the range to take a pistol for a spin and "exercise our 2A rights."
We want and need to train specific things for a specific reason. That training involves firing quickly at multiple targets while moving, things you just can't do at most ranges. As noted, they have good reasons for the rules that they enforce, insurance and liability being high among them.
I also have good reasons for not visiting those ranges, primarily that slow fire for accuracy is mainly about grip and stance and I can do that with dry fire at home.
Ranges don't offer the training we need, so we come up with other options. What is so hard to understand?
So what are you training for specifically? Are you training for IDPA and USPSA competitions or something else?
@@felixdewinter3484 Have you ever been in a real gun fight??? Because I have, and everything you basically take from competition shooting where you need to shoot on the move quickly or there are multiple threats is a real thing.
Once agian shooting a shitty local indoor range where you can only shoot standing still at a paper won't prepare you for a real life shooting. I can guarantee you my life on it.
Liability is so stupid in today's age. Whatever happened to the old philosophy that if you do something stupid, it's your fault. Makes no sense to me that if somebody negligently shoots themselves or others, they get a one-way ticket to the piggy bank that is the range owners' business account. It's not the range owner's fault.
@@DJG37S oh you were in a gunfight, please tell me more about it namely where it took place, when it took place, the parties involved, and what local newspaper reported on it or if there is any video of it?
@@musicman1eanda blame the insurance companies who insure these establishments and their restrictive policies not the court system man. You’re looking in the wrong place.
I love my fudd range,I get to come and go as I please, yes the rules they placed there are for safety since the place is never supervised, if I want to train differently I just go somewhere else
I think a couple of those commenters totally misunderstood what you were getting at, and took it as you were complaining, when you weren’t. They don’t know you like we do Ben. Lol 🤷🏼♂️
They need others to obey the imaginary rules.
The rules are in place because of the fudds. I also stay away from ranges that restrict actual training.
Ben, when will yesterday’s RNL be posted? I missed it! 😩
Seems like it went from fuddism to authoritarianism, or is it one in the same?
I think it's good for any business to get feedback from customers, potential customers, or former customers to know what they did and did not like and maybe why. How else can they know how to better serve? Or are they just in business to stick it to people with odd rules and revel in it?
A lot of these people have attitude problems, they are just looking for something to offload resentment onto. You can spot them when the purpose of the rules as it meets the circumstance have no bearing on their arguments.
How do you defend yourself shooting one shot per second anyway?
Rules are mere suggestions. Either we say they work or, a a class 3 lower comes out a mag dump occurs then you giggle and pack your stuff as you insult their economic situation.
Idk why Fudds are watching this channel when all they do is give reasons why ranges can't accommodate practical shooting.
Your videos are very quiet. I suggest adjusting something.
Hearing the comments from people about your view on Fudds made me laugh. If you think about it, the people demanding you compromise or go somewhere and obey their rules are people that get upset when you say I'll just head to the desert or the farm whatever...why? Because these people need someone to make rules that they are willing to compromise with to feel safe. Out in the desert there's no rules.....you compromise nothing and that infuriates them. Seeing and hearing others who will not bend the knee drives them nuts. Compromise is resort when there is no choice left. I choose as do others to go out away from the dog pounds and shoot by our own rules and the only compromise we make is with God not to rain on us if we head to church on Sunday. Cheers!
Lots of Fuddery afoot these days.
The "Fudd" word is meaningless these days, it's over-used.
I guess it's a shorthand for explaining that the "Fudd" has more respect for rules/systems, even when they don't work in an application. A "Fudd" is a follower, a maintainer-of-order-even-when-it's-disorder. But what does that have to do, now or earlier in history, with Elmer Fudd? Who ever said Elmer Fudd was a real person? Why do people consider teevee cartoon characters REALITY?
Short version: it looks silly to call another a Fudd, unless you want intelligent folks to see you as the fool. Explain the person's "problem," if you must complain. Calling them "Fudd" tells me nothing.
Why would you "respect a rule or system" if it doesn't work?
@@guyshamblin9032 Well that's the obvious question, eh? I think people gravitate toward structures and rules when they want outside assurance (big Authority), but total deference to the big Authority suggests a desire to not think for one's self. To me at least.
Bruh you if you think it’s overused it’s probably because you’re a fudd.
Tldr; "that's our word."
Very sad, but a lot of those rules are requirements by the insurance.
"Required by the insurance" is not even close to true. I worked on my club's renewal in 2023, the carriers who cover gun clubs and shooting ranges don't have crazy detailed requirements. In fact their coverage requirements aren't granular enough, they are too generic. I'm not trying to pitch my services but if you know a range/club that believes they have strident rules originating in the carrier's underwriting -- well I could sure help them do better, either at understanding their coverage or understanding how to find better coverage.