It's nice to see what people are running in comp and what their reasoning for it is (gear included). More of these types of videos would be appreciated.
I bought a PDP on a whim about 3 years ago because Bond uses Walthers, have the PKK for fun because it looks so cool, but way more than half the time it is one of my PDPs I take out shooting. I'm way below world class but I shoot respectfully well with the PDP. Other pistols I have I like a lot as well, like my CZ 75 SP-01, a few Caniks, H&Ks, even my Glock 17, but the PDP is just a really nice gun for the average guy like me.
Is there a resource for aftermarket grip panels for the steel frame blaster? to fine tune individual grip for old arthritic mits like mine. Btw. Been carrying the 3.5” F model It’s the perfect carry size. Never mind. You just answered my question
So as a standard PDP owner that is not a competitive shooter & was looking to get the PDP Pro compact this month..........does a guy wait for these to come out & give it a year or so to grab instead 🤔I can grab a PDP Pro for about $650 with some Christmas deals out there & am someone that keeps the pistols they buy......may end up with both 😕
What is the recoil impulse actually like compared to the polymer PDP? Does it have less flip, have more/less nose dive (oversprung?), does it feel like you're waiting on the gun through recoil, does it just feel softer but still flippy, etc.? Thanks for the great info!
PDP SF shoots flatter. My grip is good so the nose doesn't dive. The factory spring is as strong as a typical factory spring. I changed the spring to 15lbs, bought from ZR tactical.
@@hwansikcjswoThank you for the quick reply! I appreciate your insight and thorough review. This is what I've been waiting for since the PDP came out, so it's great to hear how much you like it.
I’m curious to know the trigger reach. I’m looking to buy my first competition purposed gun, but I have small hands. My first gun is the PDP-F and I really enjoy the gun.
Don't be afraid to use a compact pistol if your hands really are that small. Purely for example... There's almost zero difference from a shoot-ability standpoint between a full size G17 and a compact G19. What ultimately matters is how it fits you as a shooter. I'd definitely disqualify a gun that gives you a bad trigger reach.
Thankfully this has an actual full grip, that short grip ruined the Q5 SF. Although, the other grip issue was those nubs near the beaver tail/slide stop. They spread the web of your hand and rub the hell out of your thumb preventing a solid grip. Disappointed to see those there on the PDP steel frame. The X5 Legions have this type of thing too. Seriously, who actually wants that there? Have you noticed those raised sections interfering with a high grip?
Shit I didn't notice them until you mentioned it. I hope it feels better in the hand than it appears, those edges really turned me off of the Q5 Steel, as soon as I held it for the first time. The X5L's also sucks but at least they can be dehorned. I'm with you though, I can't believe this type of beavertail/edges make their way onto so many guns.
@@lon242 Seriously. Why do manufacturers think anyone wants that? Surprised Walther made this mistake given that other than that, they are known for good ergonomics. The best grips keep the beavertail slim and high, like Shadow 2’s keep this area really thin locking your hand into the grip. Wide beavertails in general make your grip slide around let alone those bumps that completely push your high grip off the gun completely. Hopefully it’s shallow enough to fill with some grip tape or something. Sucks having that expensive of a gun you immediately feel needs to be taken to a mill. Ha
I like my PDP SF Match but the truth is it is an upgraded Q5 SF. The frame is almost the same except for the length of the grip and some internal changes.
I was really close to buying a Q5SF but didn't due to to many saying it wasn't reliable. Then the PDP came out and I bought the polymer one right after they came out. Didn't like it much and dumped it off. I just got the SF PDP and it is awesome.
The one question I’d love to know is… Is it possible to get 23 rounds in a 141mm magazine? I know it’s possible with the Q5, but what about this particular gun?
Gun looks great and I'm sure it is great... my comment is I've got the "Walther at home" steel frame Canik Rival S and while I'm sure there is value added with the PDP steel frame its a hard pill to swallow at double the money. If the steel PDP is running 1200-1400 then we are looking a little better and that value is gonna be there. that said great discussion love to see this kind of thing its very interesting for competitive shooters like myself. Kim what can we do to get you to run a class down here in Oregon? I'd love to get some focus training.
The Canik rival s, when it runs properly, is awesome and a killer value. The issue is that the qc and reliability in many cases is quite lacking. Magazine over-insertion, extractor failures, and extreme recoil spring weight sensitivity are huge issues. If you've got one that runs well, it's probably one of the best guns out there.
@@jackwicker yeah I'm hip to all that and I've worked out getting my gun working all the time every time. For sure you make a valid point and I can see the added value of a gun that works but that takes all the fun out of it 😉
@@SnapD24 maybe what’s a Q5 run where you are? Here I think it’s like 1500-1600ish. I don’t know but I’m not buying the Q5 for the asking price. They are nice guns but I don’t “love” them when I’m handling them. I’m certainly not hating on the Walther guns they seem awesome. I’d be pretty chapped right now if I bought a PDP pro and then this dropped 6 months later. It was a thing that I would have done but it took too long to show up and in the meantime the Rival S came out.
I'm absolutely holding out for a less racey version down the line for around 12-1400. No magwell, plain 5 inch slide, standard magazines. It will happen 🤞
There is a polymer version that is like 1k...I would buy the polyer and then get a brass backstrap and magwell. PS. Guide rods apparently break in the PDP, but that's an easy fix.
People review guns so highly, so we go out and by them, months later no one says anything, onto another later model Advise wait for a year or so, so see what issues pop up What say you
Great gun. PDP looks like arse but ayy maybe it's better than Q5 SF b/c it's designed around optics. I think the plastic sights is criminal for $1900! You need a massage Ben.
Yeah, the S2 OR is a terrific value for a SF gun. I've got an S2 OR + other CZ SFs and Walther Q4 and Q5 SFs among other guns. The S2 OR wins my bang for buck award (I haven't shot a Canik SF tho). The PDP SF is intriguing to me but I don't think it'd be worth upgrading from a Q4/5 SF since the Q4/5 SF grip is good for me and I've got a performance trigger in the Q5 and one waiting to be installed in the Q4. And TBH, I find the aesthetics of the Q4/5 far more appealing than the PDP. 😉🤷🏻♂️
MSRP SH2 is $1299, OR is $1499. But you can find the former under $1k and the latter around $1.2k, maybe less with some scouting around sites. You can also find S2Os at a much lower price than its natural $2k+ price tag.
Спорт
It's nice to see what people are running in comp and what their reasoning for it is (gear included). More of these types of videos would be appreciated.
Excellent video. Looking forward to the revisit. Hope you do something like this for Tanfos and the CZs
How does it compare to the Canik Rival-S ?
Great video, HK. Thank you very much! When will we able to buy these?
Did he say 160,000 rounds shot through polymer pdp??? If so where there any parts change?
I bought a PDP on a whim about 3 years ago because Bond uses Walthers, have the PKK for fun because it looks so cool, but way more than half the time it is one of my PDPs I take out shooting. I'm way below world class but I shoot respectfully well with the PDP. Other pistols I have I like a lot as well, like my CZ 75 SP-01, a few Caniks, H&Ks, even my Glock 17, but the PDP is just a really nice gun for the average guy like me.
Good conversation
I wonder if there's a striker fired gun out there that as a short & rolly trigger pull like a tanfo stock 2 single action.
Curious how the PDP match polymer frame one shoots vs a Canik Rival
Is there a resource for aftermarket grip panels for the steel frame blaster? to fine tune individual grip for old arthritic mits like mine. Btw. Been carrying the 3.5” F model It’s the perfect carry size. Never mind. You just answered my question
Hello Ben, it could be nice to have Kim back too
Take care guys
So as a standard PDP owner that is not a competitive shooter & was looking to get the PDP Pro compact this month..........does a guy wait for these to come out & give it a year or so to grab instead 🤔I can grab a PDP Pro for about $650 with some Christmas deals out there & am someone that keeps the pistols they buy......may end up with both 😕
The same size as the one with smal medium large back strap - wich of them ?
How about an update about the PDP steel
The steel frame shown, is it the 5” match or the 4.5”? Thx
.16 - splits with a standard trigger. JFC, I've been trying for over a year to just get under .20-splits😪
Are these things available anywhere?
What is the recoil impulse actually like compared to the polymer PDP? Does it have less flip, have more/less nose dive (oversprung?), does it feel like you're waiting on the gun through recoil, does it just feel softer but still flippy, etc.? Thanks for the great info!
PDP SF shoots flatter. My grip is good so the nose doesn't dive. The factory spring is as strong as a typical factory spring. I changed the spring to 15lbs, bought from ZR tactical.
@@hwansikcjswoThank you for the quick reply! I appreciate your insight and thorough review. This is what I've been waiting for since the PDP came out, so it's great to hear how much you like it.
@hwansikcjswo crazy question do you notice a difference between shooting with a red or green dot? Do you prefer one over the other?
grip panels changed out just like the Q5
In Hwansik we trust 🇰🇷
I’m curious to know the trigger reach. I’m looking to buy my first competition purposed gun, but I have small hands. My first gun is the PDP-F and I really enjoy the gun.
Don't be afraid to use a compact pistol if your hands really are that small. Purely for example... There's almost zero difference from a shoot-ability standpoint between a full size G17 and a compact G19. What ultimately matters is how it fits you as a shooter. I'd definitely disqualify a gun that gives you a bad trigger reach.
Did they ever fix the trigger design where if it comes out of battery you have to completely rack the gun to reset the trigger?
Yes while ago pdp just git a pa state trooper contract
Ben you playing the “new” CoD? Is that what I heard lol
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Do you notice any differences between your practice and match gun after 160,000 rounds?
When I am shooting with focus, nothing. If I carefully compare, the trigger is slightly smoother on the practice gun due to high usage.
Thankfully this has an actual full grip, that short grip ruined the Q5 SF. Although, the other grip issue was those nubs near the beaver tail/slide stop. They spread the web of your hand and rub the hell out of your thumb preventing a solid grip. Disappointed to see those there on the PDP steel frame. The X5 Legions have this type of thing too. Seriously, who actually wants that there? Have you noticed those raised sections interfering with a high grip?
Shit I didn't notice them until you mentioned it. I hope it feels better in the hand than it appears, those edges really turned me off of the Q5 Steel, as soon as I held it for the first time. The X5L's also sucks but at least they can be dehorned. I'm with you though, I can't believe this type of beavertail/edges make their way onto so many guns.
@@lon242 Seriously. Why do manufacturers think anyone wants that? Surprised Walther made this mistake given that other than that, they are known for good ergonomics. The best grips keep the beavertail slim and high, like Shadow 2’s keep this area really thin locking your hand into the grip. Wide beavertails in general make your grip slide around let alone those bumps that completely push your high grip off the gun completely. Hopefully it’s shallow enough to fill with some grip tape or something. Sucks having that expensive of a gun you immediately feel needs to be taken to a mill. Ha
I like my PDP SF Match but the truth is it is an upgraded Q5 SF. The frame is almost the same except for the length of the grip and some internal changes.
I was really close to buying a Q5SF but didn't due to to many saying it wasn't reliable. Then the PDP came out and I bought the polymer one right after they came out. Didn't like it much and dumped it off. I just got the SF PDP and it is awesome.
This is the way.
What size back strap on the polymer frame is closest to the steel frame?
The one on the video has a small size backstrap which is the same shape as factory SF. If you like different backstrap size, LOK sells them for SF
@@hwansikcjswo Thank you
160,000 rounds ? :o
Compare to q5 match SF
The one question I’d love to know is… Is it possible to get 23 rounds in a 141mm magazine? I know it’s possible with the Q5, but what about this particular gun?
It should. The stock spring is 18 so a good mag extension and spring/follower setup should get you to 23 easily
Gun looks great and I'm sure it is great... my comment is I've got the "Walther at home" steel frame Canik Rival S and while I'm sure there is value added with the PDP steel frame its a hard pill to swallow at double the money. If the steel PDP is running 1200-1400 then we are looking a little better and that value is gonna be there. that said great discussion love to see this kind of thing its very interesting for competitive shooters like myself. Kim what can we do to get you to run a class down here in Oregon? I'd love to get some focus training.
The Canik rival s, when it runs properly, is awesome and a killer value. The issue is that the qc and reliability in many cases is quite lacking. Magazine over-insertion, extractor failures, and extreme recoil spring weight sensitivity are huge issues. If you've got one that runs well, it's probably one of the best guns out there.
@@jackwicker yeah I'm hip to all that and I've worked out getting my gun working all the time every time. For sure you make a valid point and I can see the added value of a gun that works but that takes all the fun out of it 😉
$1400 seems crazy considering what a SF Q5 goes for.
@@SnapD24 maybe what’s a Q5 run where you are? Here I think it’s like 1500-1600ish. I don’t know but I’m not buying the Q5 for the asking price. They are nice guns but I don’t “love” them when I’m handling them.
I’m certainly not hating on the Walther guns they seem awesome. I’d be pretty chapped right now if I bought a PDP pro and then this dropped 6 months later. It was a thing that I would have done but it took too long to show up and in the meantime the Rival S came out.
I'm absolutely holding out for a less racey version down the line for around 12-1400. No magwell, plain 5 inch slide, standard magazines. It will happen 🤞
SF one looks like it has a bit higher bore aXis. Something to do with the beaver tail. Thanks for the share!!
Looks like you can get higher on it, IMO.
There is a polymer version that is like 1k...I would buy the polyer and then get a brass backstrap and magwell.
PS. Guide rods apparently break in the PDP, but that's an easy fix.
People review guns so highly, so we go out and by them, months later no one says anything, onto another later model
Advise wait for a year or so, so see what issues pop up
What say you
Cigar session as we watch.
Great gun. PDP looks like arse but ayy maybe it's better than Q5 SF b/c it's designed around optics. I think the plastic sights is criminal for $1900! You need a massage Ben.
Stock ll
i wish my pdp didnt fucking suck, then break sub 2k rounds in, then have walther dick me around with fixing it for almost 6 months.
Not the greatest customer service experience from them for me either, but I've had worse. What broke on yours?
Pdp blows, and can’t imagine such bad service from a big company. That’s unfortunate
@@lon242 firing pin literally shattered
@jonah8133 they told me "firing pin assemblies come in 2-3 weeks" for that 6 months.
shadow 2 optic ready is 1200, what the hell is this guy talking about 😂😂😂
msrp
Thought the same thing. Maybe S2O OR but I don't think that is on the market.
Yeah, the S2 OR is a terrific value for a SF gun. I've got an S2 OR + other CZ SFs and Walther Q4 and Q5 SFs among other guns. The S2 OR wins my bang for buck award (I haven't shot a Canik SF tho). The PDP SF is intriguing to me but I don't think it'd be worth upgrading from a Q4/5 SF since the Q4/5 SF grip is good for me and I've got a performance trigger in the Q5 and one waiting to be installed in the Q4. And TBH, I find the aesthetics of the Q4/5 far more appealing than the PDP. 😉🤷🏻♂️
Thanks for bringing it up. I meant the Sh2 orange version ($1699+@ for optic cut).
MSRP SH2 is $1299, OR is $1499. But you can find the former under $1k and the latter around $1.2k, maybe less with some scouting around sites.
You can also find S2Os at a much lower price than its natural $2k+ price tag.
I saw this ad for tampons for men, mensturate