Definitely get an idea of their money mindset and habits EARLY before investing significant amount of time. Depending on where you are at in life - a Prenup makes sense!
I highly recommend having financial conversations EARLY in the courtship. It doesn't matter if you are wealthy or loving check to check. It will save a lot of disappointment!
Some red flags in this conversation tbh. Personally, I don't agree with prenups or any such thing. If you can't fully trust someone with your finances or just your life in general, you shouldn't marry them, it's as simple as that. My personal opinion is that money should be talked about very early on when dating as it is one of the major causes of divorce/relationship problems. If you communicate early then you can work together to resolve any issues.
I respect your opinion, however curious on why you disagree with prenuptial agreements. If statistical data depicting a 50% divorce within the United States and a 41% divorce rate globally is remotely correct, wouldn't be wise to protect pre-marital assets? I pose the question; would you embark on an airline flight in which the pilot announces there was a 50/50 chance you would successfully reach your destination. Most would forgo that flight. I agree finances should be discussed early in the courtship; however, it should never be a one-time discussion and must be evaluated throughout the relationship.
@@dwight897 My fundamental belief as a Christian is that marriage was instituted by God and to do it the right way, I follow the rules set out in the Bible. Regarding the question of an aeroplane journey having a 50% chance of reaching its destination, of course I would rethink even taking the journey in the first place, however, that analogy simply doesn't correlate with the conditions of marriage. Marriage in it's essence is the coming together of two complete individuals into one being. Through marriage, they become one - one in finance, one in body, one in everything. This other person, literally takes on *everything* you have and vice versa - you go into it without considering turning back because you have already done your due diligence to know this person's character. To have a prenup is to already concede that you do not "wholly" trust this person, you are conceding that something in their character makes you doubt whether they will fulfill their vows and stay faithful to the marriage. For such situations, I reiterate, why are you marrying someone that you are already preparing to divorce? I do not see how such a couple are ready for a lifetime together when they have already set out how they will go back to living their individual lives should either party decide they want a divorce - this is a fundamental misunderstanding of the finality of the marriage covenant - does the Bible give certain grounds for divorce, yes, but one is not to go into the covenant of marriage based on the divorce conditions. One reason for the high divorce rate is that people do not understand that marriage is a lifetime decision, it isn't something that you go into preparing to eventually leave. You should have vetted this person thoroughly before even considering marriage, you shouldn't need an insurance policy against someone you are planning to spend the rest of your life with. To coincide with this, this is another reason why the Bible teaches chastity before marriage because to not be chaste before marriage obscures ones view of their other half, it is very difficult to make impartial decisions of another person's character when you have put the cart before the horse - when you have enjoyed things which are restricted to married people as it makes you overlook several red flags which would be otherwise be obvious. I could go on but these are my starting thoughts on the matter. TLDR - prenups proliferate an unhealthy marriage dynamic in preparation for divorce and do not proliferate a healthy marriage.
@@_shumba Your commentary reflects your ideologies are based deeply within the Christian faith. I simply will forgo any judgement or ridicule of the faith as I hold the opinion we are all entitled to are beliefs even if I hold opinions to the contrary. You commented: "prenup is to already concede that you do not "wholly" trust this person." I will respond by highlighting the origins of prenuptial agreements have zero bearing on marital trust. The agreement simply establishes fair division of equitable assets without direct interference of the court system should it become required. Research has revealed martial unions which involve prenuptial agreements have a higher success rate. The Bible does comment in-depth about marriage, however no passage within the Bible can definitively predict the outcome of any marriage. Again I'm not here to ridicule your opinion, I'm simply stating we all enter marriage optimistically and full of positivity. Unfortunately a large portion of those marriages will inevitably end in divorce. Established laws within the Unites States dictate parties entering a marriage with assets obtained prior to matrimony are subject to have those assets become marital property and thus subject for equal division. Depending on your accumulated premarital assets this division of property could be life changing for both of you. Again I wish you the best.
Listen, if you get a prenup and base the logic that it’s “like an insurance policy” you’ve automatically made your relationship and marriage a business transaction the moment you sign.
It's a business transaction if you get married regardless. It's just that if things don't work out you will default to the state policies instead of the ones you and your partner agreed on.
@Mike Marriage is not a business transaction. It’s that attitude that has caused a high divorce rate. People treating people like contracts instead of humans.
Early on I will inquire about what they do for work and normally a job title tells you a ballpark of what they may make but I do not think it is appropriate to ask directly on a first date. Maybe additional dates when both of you know you want to progress further it's fine to directly ask about salary and money habits to be transparent.
Me and my wife really never had the conversation. I had a change in mindset from just spending willfully, to more of a (dare I say) Ramsey mindset. That has created some issues
@@dwight897 Marriage between a man and a woman has existed long before government. Also there are couples here in Texas married by church even stepped foot in a state office to "legally be married". So people can be married without a marriage license/certificate.
@@blackonblack...9244 What your referencing/defining is referred to as a "symbolic union" or "spiritual union" as I've heard the term referenced to at times. Although symbolic and binding to the couple, those arrangements are not recognized as binding within the entirety of the United States. Since the year 1929 to become nationally recognized as a "marriage" all domestic unions require legal documentation (marriage license). With some states requiring marriage licenses as far back as 1639. The word "marriage" is often intertwined within long term domestic partnerships,. "Common law" states have establish criteria to recognize the domestic union as a common law situation, one of such criteria being "both parties must intend on becoming married." (i.e legally binding) and within Texas "Partners must satisfy 2-prong test and show that they are legally entitled to marry and have registered the marriage at the county courthouse."
Before we order appetizers…we smacking credit scores on the table like we playing spades 😂😂. Nah seriously I like the way she did it but I’m not putting my business in the air until maybe after the second or third date.
Kevin Samuels any one?? The church needs some help..😳AO how can we start out with a prenup?? It only makes sense if there is a huge income/wealth disparity going in. Regular folks don’t need a prenup. Why get married if you are not on the same accord 🤦🏽♂️facts
Definitely get an idea of their money mindset and habits EARLY before investing significant amount of time. Depending on where you are at in life - a Prenup makes sense!
I highly recommend having financial conversations EARLY in the courtship. It doesn't matter if you are wealthy or loving check to check. It will save a lot of disappointment!
Some red flags in this conversation tbh. Personally, I don't agree with prenups or any such thing. If you can't fully trust someone with your finances or just your life in general, you shouldn't marry them, it's as simple as that. My personal opinion is that money should be talked about very early on when dating as it is one of the major causes of divorce/relationship problems. If you communicate early then you can work together to resolve any issues.
Marriage is a business agreement. Smart business people make smart business moves.
I respect your opinion, however curious on why you disagree with prenuptial agreements. If statistical data depicting a 50% divorce within the United States and a 41% divorce rate globally is remotely correct, wouldn't be wise to protect pre-marital assets?
I pose the question; would you embark on an airline flight in which the pilot announces there was a 50/50 chance you would successfully reach your destination. Most would forgo that flight.
I agree finances should be discussed early in the courtship; however, it should never be a one-time discussion and must be evaluated throughout the relationship.
You don’t believe in prenups, right? Good luck with that.👍🏾
@@dwight897 My fundamental belief as a Christian is that marriage was instituted by God and to do it the right way, I follow the rules set out in the Bible.
Regarding the question of an aeroplane journey having a 50% chance of reaching its destination, of course I would rethink even taking the journey in the first place, however, that analogy simply doesn't correlate with the conditions of marriage.
Marriage in it's essence is the coming together of two complete individuals into one being. Through marriage, they become one - one in finance, one in body, one in everything. This other person, literally takes on *everything* you have and vice versa - you go into it without considering turning back because you have already done your due diligence to know this person's character. To have a prenup is to already concede that you do not "wholly" trust this person, you are conceding that something in their character makes you doubt whether they will fulfill their vows and stay faithful to the marriage. For such situations, I reiterate, why are you marrying someone that you are already preparing to divorce? I do not see how such a couple are ready for a lifetime together when they have already set out how they will go back to living their individual lives should either party decide they want a divorce - this is a fundamental misunderstanding of the finality of the marriage covenant - does the Bible give certain grounds for divorce, yes, but one is not to go into the covenant of marriage based on the divorce conditions. One reason for the high divorce rate is that people do not understand that marriage is a lifetime decision, it isn't something that you go into preparing to eventually leave. You should have vetted this person thoroughly before even considering marriage, you shouldn't need an insurance policy against someone you are planning to spend the rest of your life with. To coincide with this, this is another reason why the Bible teaches chastity before marriage because to not be chaste before marriage obscures ones view of their other half, it is very difficult to make impartial decisions of another person's character when you have put the cart before the horse - when you have enjoyed things which are restricted to married people as it makes you overlook several red flags which would be otherwise be obvious. I could go on but these are my starting thoughts on the matter. TLDR - prenups proliferate an unhealthy marriage dynamic in preparation for divorce and do not proliferate a healthy marriage.
@@_shumba Your commentary reflects your ideologies are based deeply within the Christian faith. I simply will forgo any judgement or ridicule of the faith as I hold the opinion we are all entitled to are beliefs even if I hold opinions to the contrary.
You commented: "prenup is to already concede that you do not "wholly" trust this person." I will respond by highlighting the origins of prenuptial agreements have zero bearing on marital trust. The agreement simply establishes fair division of equitable assets without direct interference of the court system should it become required. Research has revealed martial unions which involve prenuptial agreements have a higher success rate.
The Bible does comment in-depth about marriage, however no passage within the Bible can definitively predict the outcome of any marriage.
Again I'm not here to ridicule your opinion, I'm simply stating we all enter marriage optimistically and full of positivity. Unfortunately a large portion of those marriages will inevitably end in divorce. Established laws within the Unites States dictate parties entering a marriage with assets obtained prior to matrimony are subject to have those assets become marital property and thus subject for equal division.
Depending on your accumulated premarital assets this division of property could be life changing for both of you. Again I wish you the best.
Listen, if you get a prenup and base the logic that it’s “like an insurance policy” you’ve automatically made your relationship and marriage a business transaction the moment you sign.
It's a business transaction if you get married regardless. It's just that if things don't work out you will default to the state policies instead of the ones you and your partner agreed on.
@Mike Marriage is not a business transaction. It’s that attitude that has caused a high divorce rate. People treating people like contracts instead of humans.
Early on I will inquire about what they do for work and normally a job title tells you a ballpark of what they may make but I do not think it is appropriate to ask directly on a first date. Maybe additional dates when both of you know you want to progress further it's fine to directly ask about salary and money habits to be transparent.
Day 1 .......3rd conversation I ain't playing with nobody
The less money you have, the MORE IMPORTANT it is to have signed documentation of all kinds in place. Rich folks can afford the courts and such.
But if you say your kids are wealthy because you are wealthy, how do you deal with the entitlement that can be attached to that?
Me and my wife really never had the conversation. I had a change in mindset from just spending willfully, to more of a (dare I say) Ramsey mindset. That has created some issues
Marriage is about trust between you, your spouse and God, government made prenups.
Government also made marriages
Just an FYI.. Marriage certificates are government documents.
@@dwight897 Marriage between a man and a woman has existed long before government. Also there are couples here in Texas married by church even stepped foot in a state office to "legally be married". So people can be married without a marriage license/certificate.
@@quasimoto5656 Biggest lie ever told. Marriage gas existed long before any government has been instituted.
@@blackonblack...9244 What your referencing/defining is referred to as a "symbolic union" or "spiritual union" as I've heard the term referenced to at times. Although symbolic and binding to the couple, those arrangements are not recognized as binding within the entirety of the United States. Since the year 1929 to become nationally recognized as a "marriage" all domestic unions require legal documentation (marriage license). With some states requiring marriage licenses as far back as 1639.
The word "marriage" is often intertwined within long term domestic partnerships,. "Common law" states have establish criteria to recognize the domestic union as a common law situation, one of such criteria being "both parties must intend on becoming married." (i.e legally binding) and within Texas "Partners must satisfy 2-prong test and show that they are legally entitled to marry and have registered the marriage at the county courthouse."
Before we order appetizers…we smacking credit scores on the table like we playing spades 😂😂.
Nah seriously I like the way she did it but I’m not putting my business in the air until maybe after the second or third date.
I would bring this up unless the 3rd date after I smash
As soon as she said God created prenups I had to turn the video off 😬
You should watch the show I did on prenups. I do believe prenups are good for certain people.
Well this is actually a good topic, thumbs up to the content creator.
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2:13 👀 ,,,,, 😂
Kevin Samuels any one?? The church needs some help..😳AO how can we start out with a prenup?? It only makes sense if there is a huge income/wealth disparity going in. Regular folks don’t need a prenup. Why get married if you are not on the same accord 🤦🏽♂️facts
LOLOL. Better to have and not need then need and not have.
ant bout to shoot his shot in 5 .. 4 .. 3
😄😄😄😄😄!