Those dudes? Should be ignored at all costs LOL. They seem to be concerned with size a little too much. Sizing up a guy by his watch size is absurd and makes them sound very insecure
10 Types of Watch Snobs (according to TGV and Marc): 07:19 #1: The quartz watch hater 10:11 #2: The luxury elitists collector 12:30 #3: The affordable only collector 16:55 #4: The investment collectors 19:42 #5: The smartwatch only wearer 22:08 #6: Vintage-is-better snob 24:56 #7: The one brand purist 29:14 #8: The collector that will not wear anything but Swiss made because they don't want Chinese parts in their watch (LOL if they'd only knew) 31:01 #9: The collector who just sh*t on everyone else's opinion on what makes a good watch 33:32 #10: Collectors who make lists about why other collectors might be snobs You're very welcome, mate.. cheers..😎
#8 is a very special kind of stupid. I see these ppl spit their venom whenever someone mentions buying an affordable Japanese watch, instead of some overpriced Swiss watch. They bring up "Swiss Made", whilst being wilfully ignorant of the fact that only 60% of the watch actually needs to be sourced and manufactured in Switzerland. There are loads of Swiss watches I like, but I would never consider Japanese watches to be of a lesser quality, and that's why I currently only have Japanese watches.
I have another snobbery: the water resistance snob. Not getting anything with less than ISO certified 200m because they work outside during rainy weather from time to time 😅
Yes, absolutely. I miss the SKX as much as the next guy but the people who were losing their minds because the new “5KXs” only had 100 m of water resistance made me chuckle.
@Bob_Smith19 I'm still a fan of screw down crown on watches that aren't divers especially if they dont have crown guards because it protects it from bumps
@@Bob_Smith19 "People are under the assumption the crown adds to the water resistance." How would they be wrong for thinking a screw down o-ring crown adds to water resistance?
Loved this discussion! I think that smartwatch snobs just aren't "watch people" but are simply gadget people. The person that has a smartwatch collection will also have like six tablets and smart everything in their house too. Don't think there's a way for people like that to convert to traditional watches honestly.
Exactly... Smart watches are really watches anyway. And, who needs to know their heart rate at any time of the day? I look at it like this - you're either alive or you aren't.
Would you believe Alex. I converted! I was gadget mad, latest phone every year, latest tablet, latest laptop, latest smartwatch, latest earbuds. What changed for me was the obsolescence. Everything I bought eventually became obsolete and I just stopped. My phone is now 4 years old and working fine. I still have the same smartwatch but I only wear it when I'm on the rowing machine and haven't bought a new computer unless strictly necessary. Then I found watches. They don't become obsolete, I can hand them on to my children. They have history. A Seiko Navitimer that I backpacked around the world with, a Casio G-Shock that I climbed the Fox Glacier and Mount Tasman with, a Cartier Tank I wore when I got married. You can't get memories like that from an electronic gadget. However you're right. I don't think there are many people who will change.
@@K_j_Myou sound like someone that is afraid of change. Under your thinking people shouldn't wear divers. After all you're either diving or you're not.
@@K_j_M people with heart conditions might want to know their heart rate. Kind of important for those folks. Not saying smart watches are the greatest, but they are certainly not the worst & have many uses that may not be readily apparent.
Snobbery is not in having preferences (affordable, expensive, quartz, mechanica, etc). The snobbery comes in with your attitude towards those that don’t follow your lead. If you look down on the other side…. Hello Mr. Snob!
This video has today gotten me to put down my Tudor and pick up my Flightmaster. There are so many watches I own that get a bad rep online (and online only - because nobody would ever say these things in person), because I haven’t bought the “correct” choice. Apparently me receiving a quartz PRX as an anniversary present is basically like being a “watch poor”, when really, I’ll enjoy the second half of my present which is a trip back to Japan. What would I rather own, a £3500 watch? Or a £300 watch I can take away and create incredible memories (and will be the watch I am wearing when I propose there). I know what I’d rather have, anyway.
Mark's comments regarding wanting to experience different things if you have the means and collecting being a lifelong journey are absolutely spot on!! Let's all enjoy this madness!!
27:26 they're talking about all those SJWs who vote blue and hate Trump and think PB&J sandwiches are racially divisive. You guys make the best watch videos! KEEP DOING IT! :D
Regarding avoiding e.g Laco and STOWA Fliegers because of their WW2 history, one should be aware that Lange&Söhne and even IWC made watches according to Wehrmacht Specs. Are these now all disqualified? Hmm. I have once visited the IWC museeum and frankly, as a Swiss I'm not pround of the IWC WW2 involvement. But then again, is a MOD Specs Omega or Rolex OK? The troops wearing these watches were for sure also involved in questionable operations. I think let watches be watches and just enjoy them.
Watch Snob, my nephew, i bought 2 rolex watches in 1986 to commemorate my company doing 2 million dollars in sales. I didn't get the box and paperwork from my Jeweler and i got a great deal. Today my nephew looked down on them because his rolex he purchased has box and paperwork and mine dont. 😂
Dude the Laco thing is hilarious !!! also jewish, also same. But i own multiple sinn, and Mr Helmut was def in the leuftwaffe. also drove a vw. big ol meh😊
I have a coworker that got gifted a watch that costs around 1000$, when he got it he only talked about how much it costs but knows nothing about the brand, or the movement, not even what diameter or the strap/bracelet width. Is that considered a watch snob? getting a watch that isn't cheap just to go on and rant about the price. Or am I a snob that I expect people who wear watches to know more about them?
The quartz thing always makes me laugh, some how people claim a spring and a bunch of gears has more soul than a piece quartz from the earth that happens to actually vibrate to give us time?!
@finesse49 I'm well aware, just trying to make a point, Grand seiko grows and ages the crystals them selves, it still makes more sense than claiming a coiled spring has more 'soul'
I hope I‘m not a quartz snob.I love g shocks,and casio vintage annd all that stuff.But I‘not connected in traditional looking watches with quartz movements.
@@theurbangentrySorry I can’t agree with you there. I have a Casio casioak and I absolutely hate it. I would take a pagani design quartz chronograph over it any day.
Happy to hear these words about us Germans from you two lovely people! I am born in the last few months of the 70s and we are indeed a completely different people now, a fact which a lot of people from around the world don't always acknowledge. Even my parents were born after the war. Also, with Italian roots, it's got to be said that the Italians weren't exactly holding back in their partnership with Germany before WW2, only that they didn't get any of the bad rep from it
Ya, I know some people from Germany. The recent generations have learned from their mistakes. Meanwhile, we Americans are doing our best to forget all the sins of our past. I do have to say that I'm not currently a fan of Russian watches. I don't support what they are doing right now!
@@benjaminbarrera214 I'd say the generation right after the ones who went astray learnt from it, even most of the ones before. If you've read that book "The Wave", you'll know that it can happen anywhere. Human nature, unfortunately. There have been some uncomfortable moments in the last 3 years that brought back some of this mass group-think in a lot of places, pretty ugly to see that.
I would never purchase a "fashion" watch. I have been gifted a few, and I always try to be as grateful as I can. I was grocery shopping with my girlfriend last night, and the cashier and I always admire each others watches. He wears nothing but "fashion" watches. I told him his looked nice, and he announced that it was a Michael Koors. My girlfriend is blind, and she must not have realized how close he was to us, because she said, "I thought you didn't like fashion watches". LOL. I was a bit embarrassed.
There's the guy who looks down on you because your watch is cheap and then there's the guy that looks down on you because your watch is expensive. Not sure which one is more insufferable.
I‘ve been the affordable only collector snob so far. Not just for the reason mentioned that I feel I can get a lot more fun from like 10-20 different cool affordable watches instead of one luxury watch, but also because I‘m afraid that I will not connect with the watch and then would have to resell it as used, lose a lot of money, etc. Maybe I need to borrow a luxury watch from somewhere to test it so to speak, but I don‘t even know where you could do that except for friends, etc.
I don't think you are a snob. I think you like watches, but you don't have $10,000 worth of liking for them. That doesn't make you a snob at all, but criticizing people who like expensive watches will.
I have no issues with ppl who only collect affordable watches, it's entirely your choice. But I absolutely despise those who criticise other ppl who buy more expensive watches. It doesn't even have to be about Swiss watches, as I've seen these morons on videos about G-Shocks.
Luxury I think is defined by the individual. G-shocks came out in 1983. They were simply a luxury I could not afford so I had lower priced Casios which were fantastic in their own right, It was not until 2013 that I felt I could afford the luxury of a G-shock. Lol. Now I have a slew of em.
3) This is me, for sure. If I had thousands of dollars to spend on a single watch, I'd still spend only a few hundred. A $200-300 Orient or Citizen watch makes me happy, and if I buy one of those instead of a Submariner or a Seamaster, I can also buy a motorcycle or remodel my dining room.
“It’s not the watch that makes the man” so well said. $100 or $100,000 watch, everyone has 24 hours a day, no more, no less. Enjoy wearing the watches, enjoy Urban Gentry and Mark’s videos. That’s life 🎉.
I don't think anybody should not buy a German flieger because of WWII, but if you cannot look at a flieger or a Sinn without thinking of Nazis (which is the case for me) then it makes perfect sense to not buy that watch. Plenty of other watches out there, no need to buy something that makes you uncomfortable, even if the current people associated with the brand have done nothing wrong.
On top of that, this discussion reminds me of "he who is without sin may throw the first stone", because colonialism, xenophobia, genocide, slavery and violence are regrettably common historical phenomena.
You can have standards for yourself (not liking quartz, or new or whatever). That does not make you a snob. When you start telling people they have to do & like exactly what you do & like, that's when you become a snob. You can even tell people why you don't like certain things or why you do like other things and as long as it's always just your opinion and not put forth as fact then you're not a snob. In my opinion.
Imagine if Seiko produced a solar powered, radio controlled mecaquartz watch where the seconds hand ticked 4 times a second, no battery change, smoothish sweep and deadly accurate 😎
@@theurbangentry I'm built like a stick, so in agreement with the size, 38mm diver would be perfect, but with a countdown bezel so it's actually useful
Seiko does produce the Astron GPS. It’s solar powered, GPS time reference and accurate to 1 second every 100,000 years. It also has dual time zones. Still has the quartz tick, but it’s quite the watch. I have one and it’s among my favorites.
I think we're all guilty of some snobbishness that can't necessarily be put into a clear category. We're all probably, to some degree, snobs for our own taste. As in, we pick the watches we pick because we see something in them that we think is special and worth being appreciated above others. And when people either don't see that, or see it but don't value it like we do, we tend to think less well of those people (not personally, of course, but in terms of watch taste). I know I'm guilty of this sometimes. To give myself as an example, I think a lot before making a purchase. And the watches I like the most are the ones that appeal to me on a design and engineering level, and that are also uncommon. Therefore, I am sometimes judgemental of a collection containing 'common' watches - like standard moonwatches or datejusts. I believe they're good watches and there's reasons they're popular, but they just seem too obvious to me.
I despise watch snobs. I own a £7k Rolex and I own a £46 Addiesdive, with many in-between. I appreciate a watch for what it is, and the value it represents. The watch snobs I hate the most are inverted snobs. They hate companies such as Pagani Design because they homage famous watches, but love Seiko even though they do the same thing.
Inverted snobs are quite big too- also we often place our own budget and values in a watch as being the correct budget/value. “How can anyone spend £8000 on a Rolex DJ/OP when you can get a Christopher Ward sealander for a tenth of that!” (Maybe because the person has the money and wants the OP/DJ and not a CW) “I would never pay over rrp for a watch” (I wouldn’t pay over rrp for a Rolex because their rrp is expensive enough but if I really wanted a g shock that was rrp £140, hard to get hold of and was available for £200 I wouldn’t think twice as for my budget £60 is an expense I’m happy to pay. Someone some extra 0s on their bank balance might feel the same way about a few grand over rrp)
Omega and Grand Seiko Quartz are worth it. Same build quality and durable movements. Low servicing costs and usually at most you’re paying for a battery change and that’s it. Can go decades without a service.
"I bought my first Rolex"... that line is funny when you are talking watch soul. Machine assembled mechanical vs quartz machine assembled. Soul is from the artisan making it, be it cars, clothing, jewelry etc. Each to their own though.
I'm like Tristano: if I had DuckTales money, I still wouldn't buy ultra high-end watches. But not for the same reason. I just don't find overly complicated watches particularly attractive. Some do a good job of integrating it into the design, but there's nothing more ugly than a perpetual calendar with four subdials of writing on the face.
I qualify as the "affordable watch snob" . It's not that I don't admire expensive watches; it's just that there is a point beyond which one isn't paying for the watch but rather paying for the name. One of your best videos!
On movements, how about a nuclear powered movement? Hear me out, a nuclear reaction takes place, this nuclear reaction gives off light, it travels 8 minutes to Earth, and strikes the face of a movement that converts this light energy to electrical energy and then through the quantum mechanical properties of solids, let's say quartz, it vibrates, and can regulate the motion of a mechanical system that tells time.
To tell the truth. If I had a choice between a $19k Rolex and a $1k watch that has all of the same features I'll take the $1k watch and then spend the $18k in change to travel. It's a choice between telling good time or having a good time. It's no contest for me.
Personally , I don’t hate on quartz, however, when you open up the back to replace a battery and you see that plastic movement holder and you see the copper coil and you compare that to a mechanical, qtz looks like junk.
Hi TGV, what is the snobbery against Tag Heuer all about? Is it because it was the ultimate aspiration watch of the 90s and it's a similar hate on Rolex?
Someone may have mentioned it, but one that i find super annoying is the "Why would you buy a microbrand, it's a waste of money / brand history is the only thing the matters" watch snobs.
Also I rather people wear watches than be a snob about what they wear. I am more annoyed that people don’t wear a watch. I am a snob against people not wearing a watch. So there is your number #11. :)
In general I dislike anyone who puts down another man’s watch choice. Wear what makes you happy! 😎 I was under the weather this morning. So took it slow today and watched this video after breakfast. And it gave me so much energy. I should pay you guys for medical services. (Tiger TGV made me laugh as well 😊) I don’t consider myself a watch snob. Love my Casio and Seiko just as much as my Omegas for example. Casio for the design and easy to slap on the wrist. Seiko also for the design but also the value for money. My Omegas for the beauty, history and great engineering (I also love Rolex by the way) And my Island watches for the passion that Marc puts into them, and they look brilliant. I wear all of them, depending on my mood or the situation. It’s a passion. Of course if I had more money I would buy more exclusive watches but I wouldn’t be happier. Never bought a watch as an investment but some of them are definitely assets that could be turned into cash if the situation warrants it. You never know. I can go on about this… great video guys. Loved the Socrates quote! Wish I lived closer to thank you in person. Fantastic.
When you appreciate watches, you can find a Casio duro and say what a amazing watch and tremendous value, You will wear it proudly and actually be able to talk about its features. I dont dive 1000M dives but I can also wear my Sinn U1 T-SDR for everyday wear and if I feel like a night out on th town, I can wear my Rolex 16710 Coke dial and feel amazing just as I do when I wear my Casio. It is all about appreciating the engineering, design and functionality of a time piece. People that criticize a watch based on visuals, price and or because they dont find value, are best keeping their feelings to themselves. There are plenty of watches to fit individual tastes. Great video as always gents!
I’ve been guilty of looking down upon quartz. But my collection has a lot of mechanical that I’m now selling off. I ask myself, “do I want to pay to service this in a few years,” and if the answer is “no”, I’m less inclined to keep it over a quartz watch.
The "super fake" replica fake Rolex buying crowd are the most insecure people I've met out there. The most ironic part being that they claim people who buy real Rolex are only buying for the name.
Can't say I am a watch snob. Have a little of everything in my humble collection. If you like it, wear it, wear it proudly. Enjoy it. Who cares what anyone else thinks. The only thing I hate is "fake watches" for various reasons and like you guys not a fan either of smart watches (the closest thing to a smart watch I own is an Alpina HSW, which is just a cool, affordable watch and a Garmin Fenix 6xl for athletics). Another great video. Love you guys!!! Cheers, Markus Be.
I have watch buyers regret. I buy the cheapest straps and watches expecting them to perform. Eg $16 Aud, Seiko Presage Homage. When received the second hand stuck with the minute hand. And $3.50 Aud spring bar straps that break the first time you use them. Bugger.
At least you're man enough to admit that, and not trying to double down on bad choices. I see so many ppl who try to defend their poor decisions, and they end up looking like complete morons.
It almost moved me to tears to hear your views on the Germans. Being a child of the 70s as well, I'm so aware of our past and it feels good to be seen as nice people today, especially by Jewish. Greetings from the Black Forest.
The Tiger at the end of the video was great that was so funny almost fell out my chair laughing. You and Marc are always great to watch work together always a good time watching.
If I'm a snob, it's an affordable watch snob and anti smart watch snob. Most of my collection consists of Citizen, Seiko, Casio, G-Shock, and Islander watches. While I appreciate the luxury brands for their history and impact on horology, I just feel funny spending motorcycle or car money on a watch.
Going to back to the Socrates mention - There was a time that pocket watch users stuck their noses up at wrist watch users - and wrist watches were for "the ladies" and pocket watches for men.
I guess I'm a Japanese only snob. It's not that i wouldn't like to own Omeegers or Bulovers but it keeps me focused on more affordable watches that deliver a lot for the money.
Some thought on snobs in general rather than specific watch snobs. First, those who laugh at people who wear Rolexes. They think they are “nouveau riche” and flaunting their wealth. Yes, this will apply also to any enormous gold watch but it applies just as much to any type of Rolex no matter how subtle. There a strong overlap here looking down on people who own expensive cars, especially a Rolls Royce or Ferrari. Second, those who laugh at people who have more than one watch. An overlap here with iPhone users but it’s anyone who can’t understand why someone would want to decide which watch to wear on any given day. Finally, and I think you may have covered this, there are those who know about the topic but look down on people who they consider are spending too much or not being authentic enough. These are people who wouldn’t spend more than around £500-£1K on a watch. Strong overlap here with photographers who laugh at those photographers who buy Leica and who consider anyone using digital rather than film cameras or streaming music rather than vinyl.
Like the ones who laugh at a guy driving a Cadillac while in something like a Honda. That's just a hater no matter how someone wants to spin it. And on the Rolex situation saying Rolex owners don't know anything about watches are simply not true I own 2 Rolex and other brands like Heuer, Tag Heuer, Breitling and Seiko and know quite a bit about watches and also know a bunch of Rolex owners that know alot about watches
Lovely video! I was definitely guilty of the quartz snobbery. Then I remembered how fun Casio watches can be and how cool Grand Seiko quartz watches are.
I’ve just sold my entire ‘luxury’ watch collection. I now wear my Seiko Alpinist the most now…a Squale 1521, Studio Underdog and a Tudor Black Bay now. And I’m very happy with them.
I recall buying the 38MM Islander Pepsi (1st generation 4 years ago). I wore it a few times, then gave it my brother as a gift. He wears it everytime I see him. It truly gives him great joy. It still glistens in the sunlight when I see it. Truely inspiring.
There are definitely smartwatch collectors! I had a 7 smartwatch collection before I ever owned any mechanical or quartz watch. It was the smartwatches that eventually got me into more "traditional" watches.
@bertholdbach4959 Haha! I still own and use my Pebble Time Smartwatch regularly, something about it just feels good. I definitely wear quartz and mechanical ones more often though!
Smartwatches from phone companies are kind of a gimmick in my opinion, because they become obsolete every year with the new iterations that are replacing the older models each year. However, Garmin has some amazing “smartwatches” though
There's only one type of watch snob, the type who criticizes other people for what they like. We all have our preferences, but we can't look down on others who don't share them.
👏👏👏👏 VERY well said and so true, unfortunately. If only all watch enthusiasts were as opened minds as this. Onward, upwards and thank you. Best regards, TGV
I have a single quartz watch. A GA700 g-shock from Avatar 2 movie. My main thing with it is. It’s a bit annoying to set up compared to a traditional crown operated mechanical watch.
25:28 to answer your question: we humans need a tribe, a family. Tribalism amongst brands is ages old. Mercedes fanboys hate on BMW and viseversa. Pepsi fanboys hate on Coca Cola and vise versa. Windows, MacOS, Linux fanboys have a go at each other. Metallica vs . Megadeth, Team Jacom vs Team Edward (Twilight), the houses in Harry Potter etc etc etc. We need a group we belong to. And a brand is a perfect "tribe" to get all passionate about and of course defend against "the others", usually a rival of a similar level.
As always another great video. I guess I really don't like the "watch brokers" you see on line who only pimp the really expensive 1% . I have always prided myself in appreciating any watch. I am no one to judge what someone else uses to mark the time.
I hate the "anything sub 40mm is a females watch" snob.
👏👏👏👏 So true, I see it in almost every review I share.
Excellent point, thank you for sharing that.
Best regards,
TGV
Those dudes? Should be ignored at all costs LOL. They seem to be concerned with size a little too much. Sizing up a guy by his watch size is absurd and makes them sound very insecure
There is nothing more fragile than a rufty tufty mans man that only likes big man size watches. Tragic.
That is why many of mine are 39mm or less 😂🤷♀️
Our grandfathers stormed the beaches of Normandy with 34mm watches…. Let’s see someone call them a lady!
10 Types of Watch Snobs (according to TGV and Marc):
07:19 #1: The quartz watch hater
10:11 #2: The luxury elitists collector
12:30 #3: The affordable only collector
16:55 #4: The investment collectors
19:42 #5: The smartwatch only wearer
22:08 #6: Vintage-is-better snob
24:56 #7: The one brand purist
29:14 #8: The collector that will not wear anything but Swiss made because they don't want Chinese parts in their watch (LOL if they'd only knew)
31:01 #9: The collector who just sh*t on everyone else's opinion on what makes a good watch
33:32 #10: Collectors who make lists about why other collectors might be snobs
You're very welcome, mate.. cheers..😎
I am a number 10 snob. And like Marc, I try to have every different movement that I can.
#8 is a very special kind of stupid.
I see these ppl spit their venom whenever someone mentions buying an affordable Japanese watch, instead of some overpriced Swiss watch.
They bring up "Swiss Made", whilst being wilfully ignorant of the fact that only 60% of the watch actually needs to be sourced and manufactured in Switzerland.
There are loads of Swiss watches I like, but I would never consider Japanese watches to be of a lesser quality, and that's why I currently only have Japanese watches.
#11: The no Rolex collector. They believe that Rolex watches are overpriced and overhyped and make the wearers look like posers.
I have another snobbery: the water resistance snob. Not getting anything with less than ISO certified 200m because they work outside during rainy weather from time to time 😅
Yes, absolutely. I miss the SKX as much as the next guy but the people who were losing their minds because the new “5KXs” only had 100 m of water resistance made me chuckle.
You can add screw down crowns to that list. People are under the assumption the crown adds to the water resistance.
@@brianmccord7387 SKX007 , i love it .
@Bob_Smith19 I'm still a fan of screw down crown on watches that aren't divers especially if they dont have crown guards because it protects it from bumps
@@Bob_Smith19 "People are under the assumption the crown adds to the water resistance."
How would they be wrong for thinking a screw down o-ring crown adds to water resistance?
Very excited for Tiger TGV to get his own show. Great video as always !!
He should be named Tiger-GV. You're welcome.
Loved this discussion! I think that smartwatch snobs just aren't "watch people" but are simply gadget people. The person that has a smartwatch collection will also have like six tablets and smart everything in their house too. Don't think there's a way for people like that to convert to traditional watches honestly.
Interesting observation
Exactly... Smart watches are really watches anyway. And, who needs to know their heart rate at any time of the day? I look at it like this - you're either alive or you aren't.
Would you believe Alex. I converted! I was gadget mad, latest phone every year, latest tablet, latest laptop, latest smartwatch, latest earbuds. What changed for me was the obsolescence. Everything I bought eventually became obsolete and I just stopped. My phone is now 4 years old and working fine. I still have the same smartwatch but I only wear it when I'm on the rowing machine and haven't bought a new computer unless strictly necessary. Then I found watches. They don't become obsolete, I can hand them on to my children. They have history. A Seiko Navitimer that I backpacked around the world with, a Casio G-Shock that I climbed the Fox Glacier and Mount Tasman with, a Cartier Tank I wore when I got married. You can't get memories like that from an electronic gadget. However you're right. I don't think there are many people who will change.
@@K_j_Myou sound like someone that is afraid of change. Under your thinking people shouldn't wear divers. After all you're either diving or you're not.
@@K_j_M people with heart conditions might want to know their heart rate. Kind of important for those folks.
Not saying smart watches are the greatest, but they are certainly not the worst & have many uses that may not be readily apparent.
Snobbery is not in having preferences (affordable, expensive, quartz, mechanica, etc). The snobbery comes in with your attitude towards those that don’t follow your lead. If you look down on the other side…. Hello Mr. Snob!
This is the best comment here
Cartier gets away with quartz like a king
This video has today gotten me to put down my Tudor and pick up my Flightmaster.
There are so many watches I own that get a bad rep online (and online only - because nobody would ever say these things in person), because I haven’t bought the “correct” choice.
Apparently me receiving a quartz PRX as an anniversary present is basically like being a “watch poor”, when really, I’ll enjoy the second half of my present which is a trip back to Japan. What would I rather own, a £3500 watch? Or a £300 watch I can take away and create incredible memories (and will be the watch I am wearing when I propose there).
I know what I’d rather have, anyway.
Mark's comments regarding wanting to experience different things if you have the means and collecting being a lifelong journey are absolutely spot on!! Let's all enjoy this madness!!
I Agree
Great Video, you guys bounce off each other so well. Nothing better than having a pick up and go Quartz in the collection.
Or 5 ..
27:26 they're talking about all those SJWs who vote blue and hate Trump and think PB&J sandwiches are racially divisive. You guys make the best watch videos! KEEP DOING IT! :D
Wrong video bud, take that shit back to the rally.
I love my Grand Seiko GMT quartz. It has plenty of soul because it was an engagement gift from my wife. 🥰
the tiger animation was hillarious. you just could have only used the other cameras. but no. you do it the right way. can't stop laughing
“I took it apart in my brain” - gotta love Marc
Great seeing you teamed up again. Always insightful and entertaining
This is very inside baseball, but there's the "that's not a true GMT" crowd who disdain the so-called office GMT.
They are the worst snobs of all. I hate all GMT's. So overrated.
Which dinosaur is the most British?
a Tea-Rex
Regarding avoiding e.g Laco and STOWA Fliegers because of their WW2 history, one should be aware that Lange&Söhne and even IWC made watches according to Wehrmacht Specs. Are these now all disqualified? Hmm. I have once visited the IWC museeum and frankly, as a Swiss I'm not pround of the IWC WW2 involvement. But then again, is a MOD Specs Omega or Rolex OK? The troops wearing these watches were for sure also involved in questionable operations. I think let watches be watches and just enjoy them.
Watch Snob, my nephew, i bought 2 rolex watches in 1986 to commemorate my company doing 2 million dollars in sales. I didn't get the box and paperwork from my Jeweler and i got a great deal. Today my nephew looked down on them because his rolex he purchased has box and paperwork and mine dont. 😂
Dude the Laco thing is hilarious !!! also jewish, also same. But i own multiple sinn, and Mr Helmut was def in the leuftwaffe. also drove a vw. big ol meh😊
I have a coworker that got gifted a watch that costs around 1000$, when he got it he only talked about how much it costs but knows nothing about the brand, or the movement, not even what diameter or the strap/bracelet width.
Is that considered a watch snob? getting a watch that isn't cheap just to go on and rant about the price.
Or am I a snob that I expect people who wear watches to know more about them?
The quartz thing always makes me laugh, some how people claim a spring and a bunch of gears has more soul than a piece quartz from the earth that happens to actually vibrate to give us time?!
Well, when you put it that way! lol
I agree with you 100%. For me, design has sould, not a movement.
Sorry to burst your bubble but quartz crystals for watch movements are laboratory grown. That said, I've got nothing against quartz watches.
@finesse49 I'm well aware, just trying to make a point, Grand seiko grows and ages the crystals them selves, it still makes more sense than claiming a coiled spring has more 'soul'
And solar powered quartz movements are using light energy from the sun to stay powered.
The two best watch guys on the Tube! You should play in a movie together. I always enjoy your videos and happily wear my new “Rangemaster”.
10. Types. Of watch. Snobs. Luxury Elitists. Quartz. Haters. Affordable
I hope I‘m not a quartz snob.I love g shocks,and casio vintage annd all that stuff.But I‘not connected in traditional looking watches with quartz movements.
Casio quartz has more soul than half the Swiss watch industry.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 More class too! It's been used in Space more too, sorry Speedy! Great comment, thank you.
Best regards,
TGV
And some great design. Too bad the Swiss didn’t embrace quartz design!
@@theurbangentrySorry I can’t agree with you there. I have a Casio casioak and I absolutely hate it. I would take a pagani design quartz chronograph over it any day.
My Casio Oceanus s100 never leaves the wrist .
Not yet to the highest presentation-metal bezel and solar.
Happy to hear these words about us Germans from you two lovely people! I am born in the last few months of the 70s and we are indeed a completely different people now, a fact which a lot of people from around the world don't always acknowledge. Even my parents were born after the war. Also, with Italian roots, it's got to be said that the Italians weren't exactly holding back in their partnership with Germany before WW2, only that they didn't get any of the bad rep from it
Ya, I know some people from Germany. The recent generations have learned from their mistakes. Meanwhile, we Americans are doing our best to forget all the sins of our past.
I do have to say that I'm not currently a fan of Russian watches. I don't support what they are doing right now!
@@benjaminbarrera214 I'd say the generation right after the ones who went astray learnt from it, even most of the ones before. If you've read that book "The Wave", you'll know that it can happen anywhere. Human nature, unfortunately. There have been some uncomfortable moments in the last 3 years that brought back some of this mass group-think in a lot of places, pretty ugly to see that.
I would never purchase a "fashion" watch. I have been gifted a few, and I always try to be as grateful as I can. I was grocery shopping with my girlfriend last night, and the cashier and I always admire each others watches. He wears nothing but "fashion" watches. I told him his looked nice, and he announced that it was a Michael Koors. My girlfriend is blind, and she must not have realized how close he was to us, because she said, "I thought you didn't like fashion watches". LOL. I was a bit embarrassed.
"Can I be rude and uncouth?"
"About a thousand bucks."
Watch snobs are as predictable AF.
Meh, I don't have time for watch snobs. Get it? Good show chaps. :)
👏👏👏👏 Very good, thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
There's the guy who looks down on you because your watch is cheap and then there's the guy that looks down on you because your watch is expensive. Not sure which one is more insufferable.
I‘ve been the affordable only collector snob so far. Not just for the reason mentioned that I feel I can get a lot more fun from like 10-20 different cool affordable watches instead of one luxury watch, but also because I‘m afraid that I will not connect with the watch and then would have to resell it as used, lose a lot of money, etc. Maybe I need to borrow a luxury watch from somewhere to test it so to speak, but I don‘t even know where you could do that except for friends, etc.
I don't think you are a snob. I think you like watches, but you don't have $10,000 worth of liking for them. That doesn't make you a snob at all, but criticizing people who like expensive watches will.
I have no issues with ppl who only collect affordable watches, it's entirely your choice.
But I absolutely despise those who criticise other ppl who buy more expensive watches.
It doesn't even have to be about Swiss watches, as I've seen these morons on videos about G-Shocks.
Luxury I think is defined by the individual. G-shocks came out in 1983. They were simply a luxury I could not afford so I had lower priced Casios which were fantastic in their own right, It was not until 2013 that I felt I could afford the luxury of a G-shock. Lol. Now I have a slew of em.
3) This is me, for sure. If I had thousands of dollars to spend on a single watch, I'd still spend only a few hundred. A $200-300 Orient or Citizen watch makes me happy, and if I buy one of those instead of a Submariner or a Seamaster, I can also buy a motorcycle or remodel my dining room.
“It’s not the watch that makes the man” so well said. $100 or $100,000 watch, everyone has 24 hours a day, no more, no less. Enjoy wearing the watches, enjoy Urban Gentry and Mark’s videos. That’s life 🎉.
That's what a poor person would say.
It’s actually 23 hours 56 minutes but that’s just Earth being nice to our slower timekeepers 🤣
@@3rayallenaw, you compensating for something big guy?
@@3rayallenthat's what an uncredulous, anobby asshole would say
Cannot beat a good TGV and Mark conversation… Love it!! Keep up the great content ❤!! BMJ ENGLAND 🏴
I admit that I'm kinda Quartz Haters, since I hate to change the batteries, but if it's Solar it's awesome for me.
I'm not a snob. I'm a connoisseur, dammit. 🤣 The two of you are always great on your own as well as together.
yeah, a connoisseur is focused on his own watches; a snob is focused on other people's watches
@@peterpicard4028 That's a pretty astute observation.
thanks for your kind words @"my" country, germany! all the best from berlin🙋♂️
I don't think anybody should not buy a German flieger because of WWII, but if you cannot look at a flieger or a Sinn without thinking of Nazis (which is the case for me) then it makes perfect sense to not buy that watch. Plenty of other watches out there, no need to buy something that makes you uncomfortable, even if the current people associated with the brand have done nothing wrong.
On top of that, this discussion reminds me of "he who is without sin may throw the first stone", because colonialism, xenophobia, genocide, slavery and violence are regrettably common historical phenomena.
You can have standards for yourself (not liking quartz, or new or whatever). That does not make you a snob. When you start telling people they have to do & like exactly what you do & like, that's when you become a snob.
You can even tell people why you don't like certain things or why you do like other things and as long as it's always just your opinion and not put forth as fact then you're not a snob. In my opinion.
F'in dead with the tiger cartoon at the end. 😂😂
Imagine if Seiko produced a solar powered, radio controlled mecaquartz watch where the seconds hand ticked 4 times a second, no battery change, smoothish sweep and deadly accurate 😎
🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌 Then I would be first in line to review and buy one. Just as along as it's smaller than 40mm.
Genius idea. Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
@@theurbangentry I'm built like a stick, so in agreement with the size, 38mm diver would be perfect, but with a countdown bezel so it's actually useful
Seiko does produce the Astron GPS. It’s solar powered, GPS time reference and accurate to 1 second every 100,000 years. It also has dual time zones. Still has the quartz tick, but it’s quite the watch. I have one and it’s among my favorites.
Vaer makes a 38mm solar diver. It's styling is closest to a mil-Seamaster.
imagine that... 😍
I think we're all guilty of some snobbishness that can't necessarily be put into a clear category. We're all probably, to some degree, snobs for our own taste. As in, we pick the watches we pick because we see something in them that we think is special and worth being appreciated above others. And when people either don't see that, or see it but don't value it like we do, we tend to think less well of those people (not personally, of course, but in terms of watch taste). I know I'm guilty of this sometimes.
To give myself as an example, I think a lot before making a purchase. And the watches I like the most are the ones that appeal to me on a design and engineering level, and that are also uncommon. Therefore, I am sometimes judgemental of a collection containing 'common' watches - like standard moonwatches or datejusts. I believe they're good watches and there's reasons they're popular, but they just seem too obvious to me.
I despise watch snobs. I own a £7k Rolex and I own a £46 Addiesdive, with many in-between. I appreciate a watch for what it is, and the value it represents. The watch snobs I hate the most are inverted snobs. They hate companies such as Pagani Design because they homage famous watches, but love Seiko even though they do the same thing.
I'm the kind of snob that thinks everyone should wear a watch and carry a pen.
You sound like my kinda snob!
Thank you,
Best regards,
TGV
Inverted snobs are quite big too- also we often place our own budget and values in a watch as being the correct budget/value.
“How can anyone spend £8000 on a Rolex DJ/OP when you can get a Christopher Ward sealander for a tenth of that!” (Maybe because the person has the money and wants the OP/DJ and not a CW)
“I would never pay over rrp for a watch”
(I wouldn’t pay over rrp for a Rolex because their rrp is expensive enough but if I really wanted a g shock that was rrp £140, hard to get hold of and was available for £200 I wouldn’t think twice as for my budget £60 is an expense I’m happy to pay. Someone some extra 0s on their bank balance might feel the same way about a few grand over rrp)
Omega and Grand Seiko Quartz are worth it. Same build quality and durable movements. Low servicing costs and usually at most you’re paying for a battery change and that’s it. Can go decades without a service.
YESSSSSSS, great point. My wife has a quartz Omega, amazing thing, super thin too.
Thank you for sharing that.
Best regards,
TGV
@@theurbangentry own two myself. Fantastic pieces! Looking to get a Peter Blake to complete the trilogy.
Hugo M is my role model.
"I bought my first Rolex"... that line is funny when you are talking watch soul. Machine assembled mechanical vs quartz machine assembled. Soul is from the artisan making it, be it cars, clothing, jewelry etc. Each to their own though.
I'm like Tristano: if I had DuckTales money, I still wouldn't buy ultra high-end watches. But not for the same reason. I just don't find overly complicated watches particularly attractive. Some do a good job of integrating it into the design, but there's nothing more ugly than a perpetual calendar with four subdials of writing on the face.
I don't get why quartz is uniquely associated with "ticking." manuals definitely also tick, especially lower Hz vintage stuff.
Submariners MSRP is $9,100 on the Rolex website.
Yeah I thought that price sounded a little too high in the video.
I qualify as the "affordable watch snob" . It's not that I don't admire expensive watches; it's just that there is a point beyond which one isn't paying for the watch but rather paying for the name.
One of your best videos!
Same. Also excellent name!!
On movements, how about a nuclear powered movement? Hear me out, a nuclear reaction takes place, this nuclear reaction gives off light, it travels 8 minutes to Earth, and strikes the face of a movement that converts this light energy to electrical energy and then through the quantum mechanical properties of solids, let's say quartz, it vibrates, and can regulate the motion of a mechanical system that tells time.
To tell the truth. If I had a choice between a $19k Rolex and a $1k watch that has all of the same features I'll take the $1k watch and then spend the $18k in change to travel. It's a choice between telling good time or having a good time. It's no contest for me.
Personally , I don’t hate on quartz, however, when you open up the back to replace a battery and you see that plastic movement holder and you see the copper coil and you compare that to a mechanical, qtz looks like junk.
Hi TGV, what is the snobbery against Tag Heuer all about? Is it because it was the ultimate aspiration watch of the 90s and it's a similar hate on Rolex?
Someone may have mentioned it, but one that i find super annoying is the "Why would you buy a microbrand, it's a waste of money / brand history is the only thing the matters" watch snobs.
G-Shock Gravity Master logs GPS coordinates and locations, via bluetooth connection to your phone.
Also I rather people wear watches than be a snob about what they wear. I am more annoyed that people don’t wear a watch. I am a snob against people not wearing a watch. So there is your number #11. :)
In general I dislike anyone who puts down another man’s watch choice. Wear what makes you happy! 😎
I was under the weather this morning. So took it slow today and watched this video after breakfast. And it gave me so much energy. I should pay you guys for medical services. (Tiger TGV made me laugh as well 😊)
I don’t consider myself a watch snob. Love my Casio and Seiko just as much as my Omegas for example. Casio for the design and easy to slap on the wrist. Seiko also for the design but also the value for money. My Omegas for the beauty, history and great engineering (I also love Rolex by the way) And my Island watches for the passion that Marc puts into them, and they look brilliant. I wear all of them, depending on my mood or the situation. It’s a passion. Of course if I had more money I would buy more exclusive watches but I wouldn’t be happier. Never bought a watch as an investment but some of them are definitely assets that could be turned into cash if the situation warrants it. You never know.
I can go on about this… great video guys. Loved the Socrates quote!
Wish I lived closer to thank you in person. Fantastic.
You didn't touch "Inhouse" snobery...But I like you guys, just be honest.. 🤓
But daaarling, if your taympiece loses 30% when you walk out the door how can it be a real watch?
When you appreciate watches, you can find a Casio duro and say what a amazing watch and tremendous value, You will wear it proudly and actually be able to talk about its features. I dont dive 1000M dives but I can also wear my Sinn U1 T-SDR for everyday wear and if I feel like a night out on th town, I can wear my Rolex 16710 Coke dial and feel amazing just as I do when I wear my Casio. It is all about appreciating the engineering, design and functionality of a time piece. People that criticize a watch based on visuals, price and or because they dont find value, are best keeping their feelings to themselves. There are plenty of watches to fit individual tastes. Great video as always gents!
Well said. 👍
my quartz omega 2264.50.00 is my go to #1 watch
I’ve been guilty of looking down upon quartz. But my collection has a lot of mechanical that I’m now selling off. I ask myself, “do I want to pay to service this in a few years,” and if the answer is “no”, I’m less inclined to keep it over a quartz watch.
I need a Sinn to go with my Mercedes Benz, Reiker Boots and HK sub gun 😂
The watch snob who turns his nose up at “homages” (guilty sometimes).
I've gone snob proof - CWC G10. Love it too much
Great watch! I’ve also gone the same way but with a CWC diver - because I dive!
@@MarkN67 nice one! That's very cool
My big hitter watch is my IWC Mark 16 not because I'm a pilot but I love it
The "super fake" replica fake Rolex buying crowd are the most insecure people I've met out there. The most ironic part being that they claim people who buy real Rolex are only buying for the name.
Based.
You two are great guys! Humble, down-to-earth, trustworthy. Thanks for your work!
Can't say I am a watch snob. Have a little of everything in my humble collection. If you like it, wear it, wear it proudly. Enjoy it. Who cares what anyone else thinks. The only thing I hate is "fake watches" for various reasons and like you guys not a fan either of smart watches (the closest thing to a smart watch I own is an Alpina HSW, which is just a cool, affordable watch and a Garmin Fenix 6xl for athletics). Another great video. Love you guys!!! Cheers, Markus Be.
I can't accept anything less than cartoon TGV from now on 😅
I really enjoy watching you two guys! I HATE that I want a Rolex. I feel like I've been brainwashed! Cheers!
I have watch buyers regret. I buy the cheapest straps and watches expecting them to perform. Eg $16 Aud, Seiko Presage Homage. When received the second hand stuck with the minute hand.
And $3.50 Aud spring bar straps that break the first time you use them. Bugger.
At least you're man enough to admit that, and not trying to double down on bad choices.
I see so many ppl who try to defend their poor decisions, and they end up looking like complete morons.
It almost moved me to tears to hear your views on the Germans. Being a child of the 70s as well, I'm so aware of our past and it feels good to be seen as nice people today, especially by Jewish. Greetings from the Black Forest.
The Tiger at the end of the video was great that was so funny almost fell out my chair laughing. You and Marc are always great to watch work together always a good time watching.
If I'm a snob, it's an affordable watch snob and anti smart watch snob. Most of my collection consists of Citizen, Seiko, Casio, G-Shock, and Islander watches. While I appreciate the luxury brands for their history and impact on horology, I just feel funny spending motorcycle or car money on a watch.
Going to back to the Socrates mention - There was a time that pocket watch users stuck their noses up at wrist watch users - and wrist watches were for "the ladies" and pocket watches for men.
Vintage to me is anything "pre-quartz." So basically anything before 1970. JMHO and YMMV
I would agree with you.
Hi TGV
Marc: “Yeah, a monocle would suit you”😂😂😂
Always Party Time when the two of you get together...
Excellent as always, keep up the good work👍
I guess I'm a Japanese only snob. It's not that i wouldn't like to own Omeegers or Bulovers but it keeps me focused on more affordable watches that deliver a lot for the money.
Some thought on snobs in general rather than specific watch snobs. First, those who laugh at people who wear Rolexes. They think they are “nouveau riche” and flaunting their wealth. Yes, this will apply also to any enormous gold watch but it applies just as much to any type of Rolex no matter how subtle. There a strong overlap here looking down on people who own expensive cars, especially a Rolls Royce or Ferrari. Second, those who laugh at people who have more than one watch. An overlap here with iPhone users but it’s anyone who can’t understand why someone would want to decide which watch to wear on any given day. Finally, and I think you may have covered this, there are those who know about the topic but look down on people who they consider are spending too much or not being authentic enough. These are people who wouldn’t spend more than around £500-£1K on a watch. Strong overlap here with photographers who laugh at those photographers who buy Leica and who consider anyone using digital rather than film cameras or streaming music rather than vinyl.
Like the ones who laugh at a guy driving a Cadillac while in something like a Honda. That's just a hater no matter how someone wants to spin it. And on the Rolex situation saying Rolex owners don't know anything about watches are simply not true I own 2 Rolex and other brands like Heuer, Tag Heuer, Breitling and Seiko and know quite a bit about watches and also know a bunch of Rolex owners that know alot about watches
Tiger TGV could be a whole new spin off series 😂
Lovely video! I was definitely guilty of the quartz snobbery. Then I remembered how fun Casio watches can be and how cool Grand Seiko quartz watches are.
I am a big casio fan , especially the G shock range , but also a big seiko prospex fan .
But the Grand Seiko is my Grail watch .
I’ve just sold my entire ‘luxury’ watch collection.
I now wear my Seiko Alpinist the most now…a Squale 1521, Studio Underdog and a Tudor Black Bay now.
And I’m very happy with them.
sometimes less is more.
The tiger should be a new character in your video!
Yes, we really do say we bought our first Seiko
Gotta be talking about Adrian and the “about effing time” podcast at the end 😂
T.G.V. i love your vintage seamaster gold.i want same thing..send model number or your review.
Thanks
Watch snobs usually wear watches to impress other people and dont really care about the Art of watch making, or the History of Horology.
I recall buying the 38MM Islander Pepsi (1st generation 4 years ago).
I wore it a few times, then gave it my brother as a gift. He wears it everytime I see him. It truly gives him great joy. It still glistens in the sunlight when I see it. Truely inspiring.
There are definitely smartwatch collectors! I had a 7 smartwatch collection before I ever owned any mechanical or quartz watch. It was the smartwatches that eventually got me into more "traditional" watches.
You found the light at the end, Im proud of you.
@bertholdbach4959 Haha! I still own and use my Pebble Time Smartwatch regularly, something about it just feels good. I definitely wear quartz and mechanical ones more often though!
Smartwatches from phone companies are kind of a gimmick in my opinion, because they become obsolete every year with the new iterations that are replacing the older models each year. However, Garmin has some amazing “smartwatches” though
There's only one type of watch snob, the type who criticizes other people for what they like. We all have our preferences, but we can't look down on others who don't share them.
👏👏👏👏 VERY well said and so true, unfortunately. If only all watch enthusiasts were as opened minds as this. Onward, upwards and thank you.
Best regards,
TGV
I will say my PP is my least favorite of my watches. I can say it was gifted to me, so, Im not as "invested" in it as I am my other watches.
You guys forgot the "date window snob". Great discussion and the tiger at the end was so adorable.
I have a single quartz watch. A GA700 g-shock from Avatar 2 movie. My main thing with it is. It’s a bit annoying to set up compared to a traditional crown operated mechanical watch.
Very cool! I love the khaki one.
25:28 to answer your question: we humans need a tribe, a family. Tribalism amongst brands is ages old. Mercedes fanboys hate on BMW and viseversa. Pepsi fanboys hate on Coca Cola and vise versa. Windows, MacOS, Linux fanboys have a go at each other. Metallica vs . Megadeth, Team Jacom vs
Team Edward (Twilight), the houses in Harry Potter etc etc etc. We need a group we belong to. And a brand is a perfect "tribe" to get all passionate about and of course defend against "the others", usually a rival of a similar level.
As always another great video. I guess I really don't like the "watch brokers" you see on line who only pimp the really expensive 1% .
I have always prided myself in appreciating any watch. I am no one to judge what someone else uses to mark the time.
Luckily alot of those guys went bankrupt when the crypto market crashed.