Don't Buy A Watch Until You've Seen This: Top 10 Collecting Mistakes & Nic Cage's Rolex Daytona
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- Today I'm joined by engineering genius turned watch entrepreneur Marc Frankel of Long Island Watch for an essential #WatchTalk episode featuring our top ten watch collecting mistakes and how you can avoid making the same ones. In this month's chat we share our unique perspectives on collecting, and the mistakes we've made during our very different journeys into this passion we both share. We cover a lot in this video, from amusing anecdotes about watches we've personally owned, Nic Cage's Rolex "Leopard" Daytona, and the pleasures of underrated brands like Ulysee Nardin, to controversial topics like Panerai, watch sizing, blinged out watches, money management, the downsides of social media, online scams, why the vintage market is even more dangerous today than before, and so much more. Join us for another laidback, fun and classic watch talk chat that could help you to avoid some of the blunders we've made in the past. What do you think is the number one watch collecting mistake? Please share in the comments!
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Marc - THANK YOU for advocating against going into debt for a watch. This is something a lot of us can apply to all aspects of our lives as well. Excellent advice.
Seems quite obvious
@@vianouche1and yet many people are drowning in debt. Things can be more complex than the obviousness at face value
It's a shame it needs to be said.
Guess it depends on the terms of the loan and weather you truly can afford the thing.
I feel it's same as buying hard to get watch for premium, you pay more to get the thing sooner.
If you know you can make the payments whitout a broblem and understand that you will be paying more vs saving I don't see the problem.
My rule is if you can’t afford to lose it, you shouldn’t buy it.
The "don't go broke for a watch" does resonate with me a bunch. Working in India, making 200-300$ a month doesn't really leave much room for watches. Been wearing my F-91W for years now. Even getting something "cheap" like a Casio A158WA makes me doubt if I'll be able to pay my rent by the end of the month. I do manage to scratch the itch to an extent just researching like a mad man. I like going to the stores and looking at the displays. It'd be nice to have a little collection, but at the moment, just having vicarious experiences through you two talk about watch collecting is more than enough. Thanks a bunch for keeping the Watch Talk going.
You'll get there eventually, and the long wait is going to make it even sweeter. I took 7 years to get my first decent watch - Seiko SARB 017. You're doing great! - Fellow Indian Watch Enthusiast
Cap you live in soho
Great watch talk between you both. My 2 pieces of advice would always be buy watches what you like, not what you think others like. Secondly remember as amazing as a watch are, it's only a watch. It's not going to change your life. Set expectations and enjoy your watches
I do feel like you have people trying to play the what do the Joneses have game. Instead of making there own decisions the group can and will be wrong.
Great comments
I've said this quite a while back, but I wanted to say it again, especially after hearing your anecdote about the filming of the Patek worldtimer video and going to the bar afterwards, that your channel has come to be so much better since your partnership with those folks ended. I'm glad you went back to doing this part time.
I just tried on the Black Bay 41 because I was sure that was the right size for my 7.25 inch wrist. To Marc's point, the dial was so big that I immediately said, "nope," and tried on the 39 which looked way better. That was a great lesson about paying attention to dial vs bezel size.
I tried on the Black Bay Pro this weekend and the thing fits like a glove on my wrist. I liked it from afar, and now I'm in love.
The hunt is so much more alluring than the capture of the piece/watch you finally end up with.
Always a joy to see a new episode of Watch Talk with 2 of the best watch enthusiasts on the internet. Thanks for sharing all the fantastic content with us.
PS: Still can’t get over the Day of the Dead poster. It’s underrated in the series for sure!
Thank you Bandrew, always very kind of you, I am honored and flattered.
As for the Dead trilogy, I adore them, which one is your fave of the three?
Best regards,
TGV
@@theurbangentryNight is fantastic because it influenced generations of film makers. Dawn is great because of the social commentary. But Day is probably my favorite because it explores the real long term impact on the human psyche in an event like that. It’s so bleak and I think demonstrates the reality of what it would be like. It’s the same reason 28 Days Later is one of my favorite Zombie movies, it leaves you with this sense of dread even after the movie is over.
Hugo and Nick Cage in the intro - bravo! As I get older, I have developed a keen appreciation for cyclops date windows. One thing I have learned is not to buy a watch as a “substitute” or “alternative” for another watch you really want. You will never be satiated. Save up and/or wait for the watch that the one you are considering is a substitute or alternative for.
Really great point about buying watches with in-house movements. I purchased a beautiful Yema last year only to find it had a faulty movement. I had to send it back to France from the US and it took more than two months to get the watch back. Yema was great to fix the watch at no cost to me but I sold it soon thereafter.
TGV,you make the best intros on youtube, i appreciate the effort and time you put into your videos.
The pocket watch in your intro is so stunning! Always an added bonus when Hugo shows up. Well done as always!🥃
Thank you, it is my grandfather Charles Frodsham, the watch that started it all for me.
I very much appreciate it. O&U!
Best regards,
TGV
@@theurbangentry that is fantastic! A number of years ago, I found your channel on RUclips and instantly loved your content. My watch collecting is due to you. I hope to pass it on to my children and grandchildren. Thank you for sharing your passion. I’m learning so much.
That is amazing, I am deeply inspired to hear that. Thank you again, you make me really happy!
One thing I’ve learned after making the mistakes myself is to visualize where and when you would see yourself wearing a watch you are thinking of buying. It’s very easy to want a watch and to buy it only to never wear it because it doesn’t fit your lifestyle. Spend a few days thinking of what situations you will find yourself wearing the watch and if you come up with enough, then you can buy that watch. Otherwise, you will waste your money and just sell it soon after.
This is great advice.
Agree. I go through this scenario whenever I’m thinking about a watch or other purchases for that matter. (ie.,buying a sports car when you really needed a pick up truck)
Great advice. I sometimes go about it the other way too, like: what am I wearing today and do I have a watch the suits it? What am I doing today and do I have a watch that suits it? If I think I need to fill a certain gap, I'll look for a watch with history, interesting movement, and a unique look that can do that. With that outlook, I've actually gotten to a place where I'm no longer hunting and am very satisfied with the collection.
I'm in your age demographic, gents. I've been wearing watches for a good while, from Casio to swiss made. The only time, the ONE time I've gotten a comment on what I was wearing was checking out at the supermarket. The young clerk running the register complimented my SNK809. He was wearing a digital Casio, and very enthusiastic. Great video, keep up the good work!
For watch collectors, this is one of the best and most important videos of all time! Kudos!!
I recently had an experience with ebay’s authentication regarding a luxury watch. It was great! The watch was authentic but had a mechanical issue that was not listed by the seller. They caught it, and in a very friendly and professional manner, informed me of the issue and gave me the option of returning it, which I did for a full refund. Totally worth it. Bummed about not ending up with the timepiece, but it would have been worse to receive a defective watch. It was vintage btw, so as you guys have warned, those are tough waters to traverse, making having it checked by a legitimate third party even more invaluable.
I love you Gent but 26:06 😂😂 I haven’t cared what my parents thought since I was 17 and neither should you. You’re your own man ❤
OMG...I am dying...of laughter. "OLD MAN TALK." Being 61 years old and wondering where it went...I can so relate to your and Marc's convo. Let me know if you need a third to discuss additional issues. T, that Tudor Date & Day...😍😍😍. Keep up the AMAZING content my talented friend.
YES - the BEST watch show is back 👍 Love your vidoes.... and I can surely relate to the age issues...☺️
All the points on collecting are so spot on! Guilty of quite a few of them... I would add this: collecting is a marathon, not a sprint. We need to take our time, do due diligence before we buy or you can end up with a box of watches you liked for a day or two, then never put them on again
the research is also part of the joy of collecting. Accumulating a large volume quickly does not leave space for the pleasure of building an interest for a specific watch before you actually own it.
Speaking of style and personality and fit, my little Cartier Tank isn't "me" but I feel like someone else when I wear it and I'm starting to embrace that. Okay, it's not everyday me, but it's shopping and a nice glass of wine downtown me.
You are spot on with the comment about the cost of ownership. As the cost for servicing watches skyrocketed I became stunned by how much a collection of ten luxury automatic watches costs to own. Paying 9k every five to seven years for service suddenly seemed ridiculous. I decided to reduce the size of my collection to five watches and substitute in a couple of quartz pieces without compromising quality. My travel watch is now a Grand Seiko 9F GMT, my diver is now a CWC, and I kept my favorite three luxury autos. Just with that change I reduced my cost of ownership 6k every five years!
I was set to purchase a Reverso as my first luxury watch. Until I happened to check service costs. GS spring drive, while not cheap or quick to service was so much less and less often, it turned my head. I’d never even considered a Japanese watch and now I’m obsessed. Next will be a 9F. What a beautiful thing. The best quartz watch movements made IMO. I have several vintage quartz watches and know someday they’ll just quit and that’s that. But that 9F can live forever.
Now I need to find someone to service a 1920’s Zenith movement, which might be more difficult to get repaired than an old quartz. Repair shops are disappearing as more manufacturers go proprietary.
How much money did you lose?
In my 60-70 watch collection I've never sold one but I have given a few redundant pieces to friends and family.
I love giving watches to nephews and young cousins
That's ok, they might secretively sell it for you sometime later but won't give you the money😂
@@donaleeesio... lol probably ... my Cousin got a Breitling Navitimer from his father and took it to a local jewelry store where he got very little for it 🤦♂️ ... I cringed when I heard that.
My brother is going to get my Dad's gold vintage Rado which came from my great grand parents jewelry store before they lost it in the Great Depression) but my brother never wears watches ... another cringe thought.
Hi TGV & Marc, I just received my Squale 1521 Ocean Blue with the mesh band and absolutely love it, just like you both have said in the past the dial really pops. This is a keeper in the collection, thanks for all the advise on your RUclips channel and look forward to more content.
This is arguably the most helpful watch-related video on RUclips. I am only months into my watch addiction and have already been so close to making HUGE mistakes. The only reason I didn't is that I was off work for 5 weeks after an operation and I had done rainman-like research on watches and learned so much before even buying my first one.
I know that some styles would NEVER suit me because of either my dress sense or lifestyle, but I like the look of some in the genre. I.E Fliger's, dress watches, Chronographs, fashion watches, smartwatches, and vintage watches. It doesn't mean I can't admire from afar. But it doesn't mean I have to own them. I am a dive, field, sports watch guy and that's fine. There's a plethora of epic watches out there in those genres.
I also sat down and calculated what my spending would be. I.E. like what you rightly suggested. Don't live beyond your means. My ceiling for a single timepiece at this stage in my life is £2,500. Not crazy money, but respectable. I also never follow trends or ever have done so. I am very much my own guy and even if a watch is popular. If (I) like it. I'll buy it. It's not the value of a watch that can make you happy, but how it feels and the memories you create with it. I think a MASSIVE thing no one realizes is servicing costs. That in itself can be a HUGE problem to many people out there unaware of that fact. If you have bought 5 or 6 automatic watches in quick succession and all of them need servicing in 5/6 years at the same time. That's a pretty penny to say the least.
Oh dear, hope Hugo doesn't do anything to get himself arrested again 😂
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I'm 18 minutes in and am already wishing I had you 2 as friends. Great honest open chat, love it. Very valid & interesting points btw.
Who knows maybe one day they will both be your freinds. Try starting a watch channel and who knows
Your "Old Timer" chat was hilarious.. two buddies around 36 yo "complaining" about weight gain and weakening sight 😂 I'm almost 54, what can I say. 😅🎉
Thanks for great vlogs + videos regarding watches and lifestyle, and always honest reviews.. you're so down to earth 👌🏼
I have watched the Urban Gentry for years and the addition of Marc Frankel absolutely compliments the channel. These entertaining conversations convinced me to purchase a timepiece from Long Island Watch. Although my intention was simply to show appreciation for Marc's sponsorship, the watch I received is far better than I expected and at a very affordable price point. LIW branded merchandise delivers both top quality and value.
BTW I am also a fan of Clive Cussler, and his main character Dirk Pitt. My love of the book series almost resulted in the purchase of a Doxa 600T Clive Cussler Edition about 18 years ago, however, my Missus had already "convinced" me to give up diving. At least I still have my trusty Zodiac Sea Wolf. Thanks for the memories guys.
I think this is my favorite RUclips channel. You’re both hilarious, interesting and obviously absolutely love watches. KBO!
Just to add on to the excellent advices you guys have provided, don’t grow your collection too fast simply because you have the financial means to do it. Wear the watches you have and bond with them. We only have 2 wrists so a large collection don’t help you to appreciate and bond with them.
I have an $80 quartz field watch, screw down crown and back, sapphire crystal, drilled lugs, 100m, 35mm case... made in Kansas City of all places. It's a Mallard... and I love the thing because it's an odd duck. Small, quartz, inexpensive, but unique. I wear it all the time.
You know it’s always going to be enjoyable when these two get together for a discussion. Good friends sharing good information with the rest of us. It doesn’t get much better than that. Thanks guys!🥃
ohh our favourite legendary show !!
I completely agree with Marc with wearing what you like versus social media picking your watch for you!
Finest watch related content. Period
Marc and Tgv are my favourite watch ⌚️ duo, their absolutely fantastic 👏🏻
Great episode.
I reached the age when I can’t tell if I have sustained an injury or that’s just how I am now 🥺
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'Who's John Glenn?! ' Turn in your moon watch 😂
Long Islander here. Thank you Marc for putting us on the map in the watch industry. STRONG ISLAND 💪💪
Another great conversation! I love the stuff you guys make together, both in the watch world and the watch conversation world.
No matter if you go for the casual look, you always look elegant and poised. I appreciate how well you dress and combine this sophistication with your show!
Chillin' on the couch. Fistbump at the very beginning. I thought I was watching MetalJesus Rocks for a minute there. Y'all should play some video games while you talk about watches!
Old man talk is when you need glasses to work on your laptop and get up through the night for the bathroom. That's where I'm at 😂😂😂
Hi TGV
Cool vid and good advice from you two old timers.
As for budget I always stick to my fathers saying: A nice watch should cost more or less a months salary.
Don’t think he put very much more thought into that, he wasn’t a huge watch collector. But to me it makes some sense. Your watch will reflect your social status and income layer in an honest way and so forth...makes you kind of authentic as a person.
Off course you can go considerably over or under that budget advice - but as a rule of thumb...
That I own 12 different watches is another matter, I’m not 12 years old😆
Always a pleasure with those videos from you and Marc. Keep up the good work👍
Thank you so much for sounding the alarm on the Powermatic movments TGV And MARK! I will stick with the Straight ETA Movements which last longer and are Fixable
The look on Tristano's face when Marc asked if Tristano would sell if money was not a concern, is the most honest response I have seen in a while. Please enjoy Yourselves maturity You Two. No tweenty year olds riff as well as this. T & M are My Two favorite watch Guys. Thanks again Gents. Peaces.
This intro you have been using for a couple of videos with the Bond theme is so classy and I love the use of your grandfather's pictures at the beginning. True to your style.
I love Marc’s calm reassurance and TVG British apologist. It’s so comforting!
Cant think of a better chemistry between two folks 😂 when you guys become 80y/o this is gonna be the most kickass channel 😂😂😂
When I bought my first Glycine Combat Sub, I bought it because I loved how it looked and because it was on sale and I didn't look closely enough at the stats. It was 48mm. I guess I never even considered size. Why would Glycine make a 48mm watch? Their entire foundation is 42mm. Then, after making the purchase but before receiving the watch, I was looking up reviews on RUclips and saw that it was huge. I was afraid I was going to hate it. I love it. It's right on the edge of what I can wear, but because it's only 11mm thick and because, as Marc points out, the dial is smaller on divers, it's still amazing and I wear it all the time. Sometimes you get lucky.
You two are at it again! Great collaboration and great content as always. Keep it up! I agree, buy what you like and not what you think others will like. Most people outside of the watch collecting world don't care if you have a Patek on your wrist or a Casio and don't know what is what, aside from perhaps Rolex and Seiko. Don't make the mistake of thinking people will say "Oooh, he has a Tudor!". The vast majority don't know or care.
Spot on, Jeff!
Another great episode guys 🙏I'm 63 and most days go to bed and wake up with something different aching 😊
Both of you are so intelligent and articulate. Always learn much from the conversations.
Another great chat. The investment piece is on the money. I also like how it was said that no matter what watch you get, you think it’ll make you happy but it won’t (long term).
Another video I missed. Excellent list of mistakes. As for getting older, I experience occasionally something Ricky Gervais alluded to in one of his sketches. Going to bed feeling absolutely fine and waking up in the morning with an injury! 😂😂😂
One of the very best videos, you guys . . . and that's saying something.
Great discussion. Very engaging and so true in many of the points except for Mark 's comment on the PRX example:" buy what you like, but not what social media tells you to buy". Yeah, I partially agree but not totally. A watch is worn as a jewellery accessory, to show it off and if it's trending and the majority of people are talking about it, you tend to lean towards it. It's like clothes that are out of fashion, you're not going to wear them even if you still like the style. Whether we want it or not, we're going to buy a watch that we like and unconsciously that others like too.
Great episode. Well worth the wait. I had a watch rejected from ebay's authenticity guarantee. They appear very thorough. Props to ebay for coming up with that process. I also know two people who got burned by Chrono 24.
Yesssssss, always a good day when these two are in the same room!
These videos with TVG and Islander are awesome, I am super grateful you make them and share them. Cheers (and I like the cheesy click bait titles!)
Your chats with Mark are always a highlight of both your channels, which are already great. Great chemistry. Great stuff.
It went to the moon for a service LOL. I recently service my Rolex Submariner 14060m with the 3130 movement and the cost was $330. Not bad at all. I totally agree about what you said about entitlement 💯
Always a pleasure listening to you two go on together 😂
Can I just say I love the production on your vids. Intros are always awesome
For me, it is figuring out my style, then leaning into it, regardless of the masses telling me otherwise.
Title: Two Aging Men Talk About Getting Old. Forty-two Minutes You'll Never Get Back.
Love it guys! I'll always tune in to see you two talk.
Cant wait. Thanks so much, TGV!!!! Gonna watch with my son as soon as he gets off work!
So happy to hear that, thank you!
My best regards to you both, enjoy 😎🥂🙏
TGV
Love the Videos as always and long time watcher I have to say I started following you advice from other videos and after thinning the watches a little from a few impulse purchases I have to say now I love each and every watch and have space for ONE MORE - which i am saving for an ISLANDER but saving up for this (hoping to get a NORTHPORT). Keep on keeping on gents!!
Great Video! excellent points on purchasing Watches with all elements of the watch taken into consideration. Such as the case size, width etc. I did enjoy both of your ideas on there is a really a time and place to buy a watch, and no need to rush a purchase. Never get in debt for a watch and truly seek to enjoy the timepiece for years to come!! ciao!
Gotta say re: swatch group serviceability I just had my powermatic 80 movement serviced by Hamilton and it was 190 for a complete overhaul that they returned to me with documentation for pressure testing and how it was running. They even covered shipping both ways. Seems like a good deal…
That's about what you'd pay at a wachmaker's shop. It's watches like Rolex where they charge a flat rate of $1000 or so that should make you think twice before buying.
Fantastic show is always! I think there's something deeper there when you design watches. I know that's why I got into modding more than buying. It opens up your whole world of imagination that is probably far more interesting than basic run-of-the-mill watches
Great video. Wish I'd have seen this before starting collecting. The ones that stuck out are don't impulse buy and especially with vintage, buy the dealer/seller. Thanks guys!
Always a pleasure to listen to you, gentlemen.
As always, the both of you provide great content. Great talking points and perspectives!
I want an “Old timer chat” show so so much!
It would be brilliant- and most relevant- for me 😅. You guys with the beards, oh man it cracked me hard!
Great chat, Gents. I quite enjoyed it.
Hey guys, love your videos! Wisdom, knowledge and good sense of humor…..and watches. Thank you.
Great conversation lads. Enjoyed it!
Doxa sells 500 dollar watches for 1500 or whatever based on the provenance of their brand, which, after several holding companies, is pretty shaky.
Great conversation...and there's no need to be concerned about going off topic because, quite often, the detours lead to the most interesting places. 👍
Two of my favorite watch guys! Keep up the great work gents!
Very relatable video TGV especially the old timer chat
Another nice vid in the books 👏👏👏 What I like with these 2 people are the realistic points of view and humanizing qualities including the humor which people can relate (maybe because I am the same generation as these guys). Its always a fun ride when these 2 get together.
Does Carl Friedrik make a reading glasses case to incorporate into your EDC? Lol. Can't wait to see the EDC video in 20 years.
The best duo in the watch community are back at it! Keep up the good work!
TGV you are the original gangsta making these videos. Just love em!
This was an enjoyable discussion to witness, beginning to end. Cheers
A great title for clickbait investment watch segment or episode is "Here in My Garage: A Platinum Rolex Daytona" that will definitely get the RUclips algorithm going haha!
Talk about getting old, there were so many "Senior moments" in this video, that I had to laugh. 😂
Another amazing video by the dynamic duo!
The dynamic duo is back! 👍
Great video guys! There are also dangers in selecting watches online. I was eyeing off a Citizen pilot watch online for months until I finally saw it in the flesh at a shop. No longer interested.
nice chat again! loving it
As usual, love your collab videos!!
Another interesting and informative presentation by you two.
Great video!! I love this conversational video. Social media is the pits! completely agree. buy what you like. your tudor looks AWESOME on ya. Perfect!
Having a career in the medical field I was told of a phrase in which stuck “if you wake up in the morning and you don’t feel any sort of body pain, you are about to die”. There is some truth to that. So that being said wonderful video and enjoy aging gracefully.😊
I love this show. TGV and Marc talking watches FFFFRRRRIIIIIIDDDAAAYYYYYY!!!!
Is that a poster for The Passenger on the wall? If so, excellent taste! One of the most surreal, existential, thought provoking films ever made.
Keep the content coming! What watch do you think Jack Reacher would wear?