Thanks for the video, but there is 1 thing i want to tell. You have total amount of 60 cups in your box (100÷60=1.667 / multiplied with 50 cups manure equals =83.333 percent).your ratio is 83.33/8.33/8.33. You have to Divide your manure cups with 8 for the vermiculite and coir, because it's 8 times more. 48/6/6 cups would be a 80/10/10% ratio. Sorry for my english (Not native)
Wait, that's not exactly true. First year of college in 1985 I was studying mycology, and growing mushrooms in my dorm room. My roommate was cool about it, but thought it was pretty weird that I had a giant bag of pasteurized cow manure in my closet.
I got a question about manure, as far as Does It Matter What Kind Is Usable? This might seem like a stupid or frivolous question, but I am quite serious. Knowing that mushrooms grow in the wild, and that men have been eating mushrooms since they began tracking and hunting their prey, following their scat and picking the mushrooms off of it as they went along, is seems like they might grow on any kind of Scat. The reason why I am asking is, I live on free range, and I raise rabbits, and there is plenty of manure for the taking. Rabbit scat is very beneficial to mini Gardens and is mixed with Timothy Hay already. I was hoping that I could make both the cow manure and their rabbit manure together along with the hay, a little Coco Coir, and a little Gypsum and, after pasteurization, end up with a pretty decent substrate. I might be able to use a little cardboard in the mix as well. What are your thoughts?
Thanks for the video, but I don't agree with your logic regarding weight vs. volume. Cups (volume) is a dumb measure to use for solids when calculating ratios as for instance for sawdust you'd get a completely different amount of raw material when you take 1cup of pellets compared to loose saw dust. The only way to convert 1 cup of pellets into loose one would be to go by weight.
It's not his logic obviously your not a science person because there is volumetric ratios and then there are weight ratios and in this case volumetric is what we are after for percent ratios!!!
@@lorentzianmanifold718 No clue what you're talking about Lorentzian, Volumetric measurments are way less accurate because the grain size of the material and how much it's packed play a huge role. We almost exclusively use weight in science because it's more accurate and consistent. I'm not saying you can't use volumetric measurments, because obviously you can, but moving to a weight system would have a lot of advantages. It might not be worth the effort if the current recipie works well, but that doesn't mean quin is wrong.
@@anotherguy9402 what about the moisture content of an absorbent solid? Then your weight ratio wouldn't be precise either based on atmospheric conditions or even just how your materials are prepared. We're not really trying to be that precise here, just be accurate. Anybody remember that lesson in science class? You can be accurate without being precise. Here he's trying to advise being accurate.. If you're talking actual solids like nails or something then sure, weight will work. Give me a pound of wet sponges though, and then give me a pound of dry ones, very different, but a gallon of each will be pretty close to the same. Either way he's saying to use volume in his recipe and acknowledges doing it by weight and says thats not quite right. At the end of the day you do you tho, its your 💩
Hi, I hope you are well. I need to ask you for support 🙌 I keep failing in making my grainbags quite of a few times now, and i dont understand what s the problem. This makes me sad. This is my procedure: When I have done the bags, had the millets or brown rice soiled in the water for 18-24 hours, pressure cooked them, waiting another 24 hours, I injuculate, and after 2-3 weeeks I have about 10% mycelium visible. Then I break this, I mix all together in the bag, and then… the mycelium in many cases stops growing 🥹 Temp in the DARK bathroom is 24 celsius (75f). 1-3 bags now this has happened (i ve only done 4 bags so far), and I dont understand what is the issue? Should I wait with the grain and having this in the air after soiling? Too wet grains? Should I wait longer before breaking the mycelium down? Wait till 30 % size of the bag instead? Can you help me, or someone who knows? 🙏
There are many different variables as to why this happens and it will take time till you lock in what works. It can be your genetics, over hydration of grains.. but i would try break and shake at 50% to be safe. Try that 1st if everything else is fine
Honestly I don't know if its the weather , but during the winter I used coco/verm only had no contam in my tubs, now summertime I added cowpoop to my sub and have been getting more tricoderma in some of my tubs. Just an observation, I added cowpoop to see if it has any affects on potency. But sometimes it seems to keep it simple seems to work , so if s beginner I recommend coco/verm only
I use cow manure, 40%, oats 40%, and 20% vermiculite, it works pretty good. I will try to add some gypsum powder and see how it works. Thanks for the video man. I do have to pressure cook because of the oats.
@@thejohn6614 I mix the manure and water until wet and soggy. Then I mix in dry oats until the soggy turns into wet. Then I add vermiculite until I have the perfect moisture. Basically the PF tech with alternate medium. This works slower than brown rice flour, but still works ok.
@@QuailCanyonAnthropolgy I see. Thank you for your reply. I used to just use horse manure mixed with vermiculite and it worked great and I never had any contamination issues. I made sure to get the old dried up horse manure that had started to turn white.
The thing is you almost can't put too much gypsum in seriously I mean it won't hurt a damn thing if you put way way way way way too much in you'll have drainage problems and it'll start hardening up into little clumps but I mean you don't have to really measure it that much you can damn near gas at it you can leave it out altogether and then they'll grow just fine especially depending on the horse's diet. There could be a lot of calcium in their diet and you don't need to add any gypsum. You can use straight manure you can use manure and Coco coir I went years just using manure and vermiculite and just dumped it in and kept stirring it up until it was speckly to what I was used to the IT looked right to me you don't have to be very picky it's going to get the nutrients that it needs I would guess that even if you mixed it 5050 it would still grow mushrooms pretty good people get too crazy with exact measurements. I dumped a giant pile probably 3 wheelbarrows worth of manure in my backyard and then tossed a couple old spent blocks of you ventis in there and the next spring there was golden teachers everywhere
For the past 15 years I have pasteurized my mixture of manure and other substrate threw them in the tub thrown it in the closet and forgot about it just use it as I need it I never had to freeze anyting and it never got contaminated
I wouldn’t recommend pulling sub out until it has cooled. When substrate is hot and exposed to colder atmospheric air it begins to vacuum and draw air into itself. In the open where contaminants are floating you’re asking for contamination. We’ve found this out the hard way in a hurry to get bags cooled down. If you let them cool where they were heated they will shrink up real tight because they have vacuumed and sealed.
I find supplementing manure substrates with some carbs as chopped straw works best. Using just manure, vermiculite, and coco just doesn't seem to cut it. If you use straw, you can still get away with pasteurizing.
I have I a quick question I "have a friend" that is growing his first time and he's already injected his spore syringe into a ready to go 3 oz millet bag from booming achers and he went and bought a 40 lb bag of cow manure and compost and is going to JUST use that as a subtrate and "case" it. Is it already good to go with moisture? Or does he have to add water himself? And if so how much to 3 oz of millet with 10 ml of spores from sporesMD INSIDE of it already and is on day 6 tomorrow. He is using a big plastic tub with lid and is drilling 3" holes in the sides with breathable medical tape over the holes when he's ready to add the innoculated millet... He just needs to know if He has to manually add water and if so? How much? And on day #? Plz help it's his first time....
If you use a brick of coir always break it up before pasteurizing it. if not sometimes the center of the brick wont get hot enough and youl get contams. its super easy. turn it on its side and use a bread knife or one with large serrations and saw it down the side and it splits apart so easy, just slice it in half and then half the halves then break em up into 2 inch or smaller pieces. especially for bucket tech.
Love your channel. I keep hearing different views on prepping hpoo for substrate, sterilize vs pasteurize. Some say you really need to sterilize manure based sub. thoughts?
Thanks for the videos man. You explained why you use the vermiculite but why poo and not straw or something, and why the other two ingredients? If I got the manure locally what would I ask for? Like definitely aged right?
Manure is resistant to contamination and has a lot of nutrients. If you can gather what you want then get aged shit after it turns white. The white stuff is beneficial bacteria. If you get fresh stuff you have to dry it off.. If you get it from stalls then you have to leech it first.
Willy! Thank you for this video. I have been using CBG substrate with ok results. However after trying the horse manure substrate, I won't go back to CVG.
Hi Willy, I appreciate you! I am trying your manure substrate and this is my first time growing. The mycelium has engulfed the substrate but I am not seeing any pins and it has been around 10 days. Is that normal? I would be happy to send you some pictures. Thank you for any assistance you could provide.
So to pasteurize, in theory, I could do this like soil and put it in black trash bags and sit it in the sun on a summer day for a few hours. Or bag it how I'm going to freeze it, put those in the black bin and sit it outside. Start in the morning, and on a good 90F day, should be good by that night. Is that the right train of thought?
@@Jason_Awakening as you have to pasturise it, it does stink because you're basically sitting with a steaming tub of sh*t. But, it doesn't stink that much once cooled off, and there is no smell once the substrate is fully colonised. I only has one flush, but that's because our temperatures rose unexpectedly (record highs for October).
I’ve got a dub tub going with the boomerbags of horse manure. I got a full tub of mycelium for a week but I was told to put a layer of coir ontop. Do you do this? It’s beautiful looking with water droplets shinning when I look at it with a flash light
Hi Willy. Great program bud! Thank you for the knowledge you teach. I have been trying to find a good dehydrated manure that isn't ridiculously priced. Nor, do I want a mix with too much filler of compost. Any idea where I could order this?
When you pasturize at 150F-160F for 2 hours...is that a setting on your bulk pasturization tub? Or are you monitoring the core temp and once THAT hits 150F-160F you start the clock for your 2 hours?
I believe your math is off. For 80% manure and 10% each vermiculite & coir that would mean an 1/8 ratio of the latter two ingredients. So for 48 cups Manure you should need 6 cups each of the other two ingredients for 60 cups total. Then add 3 cups gypsum. Right?
10% of 80% isn't actual 10% in total. If you use 50 cups of manure, you dont add 10% of 50, you add 10% of the total amount, which you should work out with simple math's. If 50 cups is 80% then you should add 6.25 cups of vermiculite and 6.25 cups of coco coir. And to end, for a 5% of volume added gypsum you should add 3.125 cups of gypsum.
Thanks for the info on each section man I find this is going to be a hobby 👌. And idk if anyone else noticed or if its the quality of the video but its the swelling in ur hands and redness on ur left hand.
Does the ph sub matter? Now do u ph the water b4 adding to sub? Or does the blend of sub increase the sub? Distilled water has ph of 0 where purified water is around 6-7.5
Just want to add that allowing a substrate to pasteurize longer than the given time for the given sub. Will not sterilize it. That takes immense heat and pressure and often flame.. it does how ever kill off beneficials.. great video btw!!
Great informative video. I got the ick explaining field capacity tho. Like if you don't know what that is watching this video, you haven't even crawled yet, why you trying to run using manure. Better start on some cakes like everyone else
Can I add these for the substrate mix Coco coir Vermiculite Perlite Malibu compost Can I use both vermiculite and perlite ? Can I add compost aswell? And is gypsum absolutely needed? Do I sterilize with everything mixed together already? And just add the gypsum after?
90-second mycology recommended me to your channel for substrate knowledge. Thank you ever so much really informative. New sub. Only thing I'd wonder about is here in the UK, our tap water is chlorinated... So from my days having being a green finger we used to let the water stand for 24-hours so the chlorine would evaporate.. I'm not sure how that would affect mushroom spore but just something I've wondered about.
You can still use it but if it's a concern you could always use filtered tap water or buy bottles of distilled water and you won't have anything to worry about.
You'd need to know if your tap water has chlorine or chloramine. Chlorine will off gas over time, chloramine has largely replaced chlorine because it is more stable. The good and bad of chloramine is that it stays in the water without off gassing....
I don't know how anybody could contaminate bucket cap I have a completely sealable Rubbermaid bin it's black it's got a yellow lid you can buy them all over the place they're super tough and I put a long thermometer through it I have two of these thermometers I get it to field capacity I throw it in and it oven I turn the oven to its lowest setting and let it get up to 150 with the door cracked open so you can just see the and read the thermometer. Once the oven is adjusted to where the other secondary thermometer just sticking into the oven itself is add 150 you let it go until the end inner temperature of your bulk substrate is also at 150 to 160 that usually takes about an hour and then just let it sit for three hours or so usually after you turn it off it'll stay at 150 for another hour hour and a half so it gets perfectly pasteurized I don't know how you can screw it up it's so easy it's so much easier than steaming it or any of that **** you can simply turn on the oven get it to the right temperature and then walk away set a timer for about four hours and come back and shut it off most ovens won't go as low as 150 so that's why I cracked the door just a little bit I cracked the door open and then it hits 150 to 160 every single time bingo done it's the easiest part of the whole process. And after I make one tub if I don't feel like doing a second tub from that large bulk substrate I take peroxide and just spritz lightly over the top and close it up and leave it it'll turn to water and oxygen but it'll kill any kind of contamination that may have gotten into the substrate that way you don't have to worry easy peasy
It’s my first grow, can I keep it simple and just use the Coco coir in a monotub? I got a kit from Midwest and they sent some white kitty litter type stuff to use as sub straight. I’m not sure if I want to use that.
Hey I have a spore syringe of golden teachers....I have a tub, jars, coca coir, whole oats, brown rice, vermiculite, and gypsum. How much of everything should I mix up for one syringe?
Lol I live on a farm so manure is abundant. I thought, I only need a little at a time and saw 90s mycology use Tupperware so long story short I microwaved it and my house now smells like baked shit 😂 I'll update if it even pasteurized or just smelled bad. (Note, it dried out so I had to boil water for ten minutes then rehydrate it)
Hello I just wanted to say thank you for all your informational videos. I’ve learned so much from you and the other RUclipsrs who post about mushroom cultivation. Quick question, if I order the pasteurized mushroom growing sub from poogod do I just use that straight away without adding coir or verm or anything? Just confused
I just eyeball it, I add more coir than verm and put the gypsum in until I think I added alittle to much then mix it up and slowly add water until it's alittle too wet then cover with foil and throw it in the oven at 170 for 2/2.5 hours, turn off oven and let it sit covered for a few hours, with coir you dont have to be super precise
No. The composting keeps the manure at a high temperate for several days at a time. This kills off everything from bacteria you don't want and grass seeds you definitely don't want. You should never use fresh poop of any kind on any garden. Even chicken shit will kill your stuff. Some have had luck with black cow manure from HD or Lowes I've read.
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Thanks for the video, but there is 1 thing i want to tell.
You have total amount of 60 cups in your box (100÷60=1.667 / multiplied with 50 cups manure equals =83.333 percent).your ratio is 83.33/8.33/8.33.
You have to Divide your manure cups with 8 for the vermiculite and coir, because it's 8 times more.
48/6/6 cups would be a 80/10/10% ratio.
Sorry for my english (Not native)
He said that in the video lol
I came up with 50 6.25 6.25
He said it wrong he would of said 1 to 10 ratio or in this case 5 to 50
I live on a cattle farm... will just straight dehydrated cow manure work ?
@@TimothyMcVayyes
Just acquired 50 gallons of free hpoo a few days ago what perfect timing
Damn 50 gallons !
@90 Second Mycology ❤🙏🍄🙏❤
Just came into some myself lol
Fresh $#*% is good or does it need to be composted?
@@tjdurazo field aged is best
I never thought I'd look at shit and think to myself "oh, man, that looks good". But, here I am.
Wait, that's not exactly true. First year of college in 1985 I was studying mycology, and growing mushrooms in my dorm room. My roommate was cool about it, but thought it was pretty weird that I had a giant bag of pasteurized cow manure in my closet.
For $50 for .668 cubic feet it should be made out of gold
Lmao same here
das good shit?
I got a question about manure, as far as Does It Matter What Kind Is Usable?
This might seem like a stupid or frivolous question, but I am quite serious.
Knowing that mushrooms grow in the wild, and that men have been eating mushrooms since they began tracking and hunting their prey, following their scat and picking the mushrooms off of it as they went along, is seems like they might grow on any kind of Scat.
The reason why I am asking is, I live on free range, and I raise rabbits, and there is plenty of manure for the taking.
Rabbit scat is very beneficial to mini Gardens and is mixed with Timothy Hay already.
I was hoping that I could make both the cow manure and their rabbit manure together along with the hay, a little Coco Coir, and a little Gypsum and, after pasteurization, end up with a pretty decent substrate. I might be able to use a little cardboard in the mix as well.
What are your thoughts?
Thanks for the video, but I don't agree with your logic regarding weight vs. volume. Cups (volume) is a dumb measure to use for solids when calculating ratios as for instance for sawdust you'd get a completely different amount of raw material when you take 1cup of pellets compared to loose saw dust. The only way to convert 1 cup of pellets into loose one would be to go by weight.
It's not his logic obviously your not a science person because there is volumetric ratios and then there are weight ratios and in this case volumetric is what we are after for percent ratios!!!
@@lorentzianmanifold718 No clue what you're talking about Lorentzian, Volumetric measurments are way less accurate because the grain size of the material and how much it's packed play a huge role. We almost exclusively use weight in science because it's more accurate and consistent.
I'm not saying you can't use volumetric measurments, because obviously you can, but moving to a weight system would have a lot of advantages. It might not be worth the effort
if the current recipie works well, but that doesn't mean quin is wrong.
@@lorentzianmanifold718 volumetric is for liquids and weight is for solids.
@@anotherguy9402 what about the moisture content of an absorbent solid? Then your weight ratio wouldn't be precise either based on atmospheric conditions or even just how your materials are prepared. We're not really trying to be that precise here, just be accurate. Anybody remember that lesson in science class? You can be accurate without being precise. Here he's trying to advise being accurate.. If you're talking actual solids like nails or something then sure, weight will work. Give me a pound of wet sponges though, and then give me a pound of dry ones, very different, but a gallon of each will be pretty close to the same. Either way he's saying to use volume in his recipe and acknowledges doing it by weight and says thats not quite right. At the end of the day you do you tho, its your 💩
I've had good luck starting with the same method of measurement the recipie was developed with.
Hi, I hope you are well.
I need to ask you for support 🙌
I keep failing in making my grainbags quite of a few times now, and i dont understand what s the problem.
This makes me sad.
This is my procedure:
When I have done the bags, had the millets or brown rice soiled in the water for 18-24 hours, pressure cooked them, waiting another 24 hours, I injuculate, and after 2-3 weeeks I have about 10% mycelium visible.
Then I break this, I mix all together in the bag, and then… the mycelium in many cases stops growing 🥹
Temp in the DARK bathroom is 24 celsius (75f).
1-3 bags now this has happened (i ve only done 4 bags so far), and I dont understand what is the issue?
Should I wait with the grain and having this in the air after soiling? Too wet grains?
Should I wait longer before breaking the mycelium down? Wait till 30 % size of the bag instead?
Can you help me, or someone who knows?
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There are many different variables as to why this happens and it will take time till you lock in what works. It can be your genetics, over hydration of grains.. but i would try break and shake at 50% to be safe. Try that 1st if everything else is fine
Honestly I don't know if its the weather , but during the winter I used coco/verm only had no contam in my tubs, now summertime I added cowpoop to my sub and have been getting more tricoderma in some of my tubs. Just an observation, I added cowpoop to see if it has any affects on potency. But sometimes it seems to keep it simple seems to work , so if s beginner I recommend coco/verm only
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Thanks just what I was wondering 👍🏻
Thank you you might have just saved my first grow
So can I use black cow manure for gardening?
I use cow manure, 40%, oats 40%, and 20% vermiculite, it works pretty good. I will try to add some gypsum powder and see how it works. Thanks for the video man. I do have to pressure cook because of the oats.
How do you prepare the oats?
@@thejohn6614 I mix the manure and water until wet and soggy. Then I mix in dry oats until the soggy turns into wet. Then I add vermiculite until I have the perfect moisture. Basically the PF tech with alternate medium. This works slower than brown rice flour, but still works ok.
@@QuailCanyonAnthropolgy I see. Thank you for your reply. I used to just use horse manure mixed with vermiculite and it worked great and I never had any contamination issues. I made sure to get the old dried up horse manure that had started to turn white.
The thing is you almost can't put too much gypsum in seriously I mean it won't hurt a damn thing if you put way way way way way too much in you'll have drainage problems and it'll start hardening up into little clumps but I mean you don't have to really measure it that much you can damn near gas at it you can leave it out altogether and then they'll grow just fine especially depending on the horse's diet. There could be a lot of calcium in their diet and you don't need to add any gypsum. You can use straight manure you can use manure and Coco coir I went years just using manure and vermiculite and just dumped it in and kept stirring it up until it was speckly to what I was used to the IT looked right to me you don't have to be very picky it's going to get the nutrients that it needs I would guess that even if you mixed it 5050 it would still grow mushrooms pretty good people get too crazy with exact measurements. I dumped a giant pile probably 3 wheelbarrows worth of manure in my backyard and then tossed a couple old spent blocks of you ventis in there and the next spring there was golden teachers everywhere
Once again! Nothing but love and respect! We hella appreciate all the work you do to get these videos to us. Mushlove and respect TTF
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A long while back you recommend me to outgrow and I won’t stop shopping with them there substrate and spawn is phenomenal!!!
Thanks for the video. I was looking for this very info. Thanks again.
Can you use worm castings?
For the past 15 years I have pasteurized my mixture of manure and other substrate threw them in the tub thrown it in the closet and forgot about it just use it as I need it I never had to freeze anyting and it never got contaminated
I wouldn’t recommend pulling sub out until it has cooled. When substrate is hot and exposed to colder atmospheric air it begins to vacuum and draw air into itself. In the open where contaminants are floating you’re asking for contamination. We’ve found this out the hard way in a hurry to get bags cooled down. If you let them cool where they were heated they will shrink up real tight because they have vacuumed and sealed.
Hi Willy; thanks for all your great content! Question, would this recipe work for button mushrooms? Thanks
When your doing 2hrs @150-160*, is that in a pressure cooker or just boiling? How do you take temps when the lid is sealed?
Dude - was just googling this very topic. Thank you as always!!!
I find supplementing manure substrates with some carbs as chopped straw works best. Using just manure, vermiculite, and coco just doesn't seem to cut it. If you use straw, you can still get away with pasteurizing.
Two questions. What do mean by "just doesn't cut it?" Does a manure based substrate increase potency compared to a CVG substrate?
what is the benefit of using manure vs straight coco coir.?????
Thanks for the informative video, I'm afraid I couldn't Coco coir. Can I replace it with Sugar cane bagasse?
I have I a quick question I "have a friend" that is growing his first time and he's already injected his spore syringe into a ready to go 3 oz millet bag from booming achers and he went and bought a 40 lb bag of cow manure and compost and is going to JUST use that as a subtrate and "case" it. Is it already good to go with moisture? Or does he have to add water himself? And if so how much to 3 oz of millet with 10 ml of spores from sporesMD INSIDE of it already and is on day 6 tomorrow. He is using a big plastic tub with lid and is drilling 3" holes in the sides with breathable medical tape over the holes when he's ready to add the innoculated millet... He just needs to know if He has to manually add water and if so? How much? And on day #? Plz help it's his first time....
Is it important to have 100% recipe. Does the weight ratio have to be exact. How critical is that?
Best place to buy manure based substrates? Ready to!
If you use a brick of coir always break it up before pasteurizing it. if not sometimes the center of the brick wont get hot enough and youl get contams. its super easy. turn it on its side and use a bread knife or one with large serrations and saw it down the side and it splits apart so easy, just slice it in half and then half the halves then break em up into 2 inch or smaller pieces. especially for bucket tech.
My mix is 350g coco, 300g verm, 350g H poo, and 50g gypsum. It works perfekt so light and fluffy, it gets colonised in like 7days
What's the water?
Good to know
Love your channel. I keep hearing different views on prepping hpoo for substrate, sterilize vs pasteurize. Some say you really need to sterilize manure based sub. thoughts?
Is sterilization required by some government agency if you sell to the public?
Are you talking about and pressure cooker?? For pasteurizing ??
Thanks for the videos man. You explained why you use the vermiculite but why poo and not straw or something, and why the other two ingredients? If I got the manure locally what would I ask for? Like definitely aged right?
Manure is resistant to contamination and has a lot of nutrients. If you can gather what you want then get aged shit after it turns white. The white stuff is beneficial bacteria. If you get fresh stuff you have to dry it off.. If you get it from stalls then you have to leech it first.
Willy! Thank you for this video. I have been using CBG substrate with ok results. However after trying the horse manure substrate, I won't go back to CVG.
does it stink? how many flushes do you get ?
Surprisingly it does not. I got 3 flushes. The first being the largest second and third the fruits were bigger.
Hi Willy, I appreciate you! I am trying your manure substrate and this is my first time growing. The mycelium has engulfed the substrate but I am not seeing any pins and it has been around 10 days. Is that normal? I would be happy to send you some pictures. Thank you for any assistance you could provide.
I used horse manure from a friend, some oyster shell, coco coir and a small amount of coffee.
So to pasteurize, in theory, I could do this like soil and put it in black trash bags and sit it in the sun on a summer day for a few hours. Or bag it how I'm going to freeze it, put those in the black bin and sit it outside. Start in the morning, and on a good 90F day, should be good by that night. Is that the right train of thought?
nevermind, thats sterilization I described. Thanks
Yo Willy I was sent here by 90 second mycology, I have subbed to you from two channels. I appreciate all the info!!
is this special manure required? Can you just use dried manure if you have access to a horse farm?
I've only been growing magics for a year now, and I've had the best success with a monotub growing on manure.
does it stink? how many flushes do you get ?
@@Jason_Awakening as you have to pasturise it, it does stink because you're basically sitting with a steaming tub of sh*t. But, it doesn't stink that much once cooled off, and there is no smell once the substrate is fully colonised. I only has one flush, but that's because our temperatures rose unexpectedly (record highs for October).
@@TheMachineMother84 ok thanks for info 👍
I’ve got a dub tub going with the boomerbags of horse manure. I got a full tub of mycelium for a week but I was told to put a layer of coir ontop. Do you do this? It’s beautiful looking with water droplets shinning when I look at it with a flash light
What is your advice on using mushroom mulch? I have access to plenty, it's used once and discarded. Can it be repastureized and used straight?
We're do you buy the Coco core and vermiculite and gypsum?
I live on a cattle farm... will just straight dehydrated cow manure work ?
Does the thermometer stab through the bag, and if so is that bag bad now?
great information as usual! well presented man!
Does manure need to be composted or can it be partly composted or fresh then dried
Hi Willy. Great program bud! Thank you for the knowledge you teach. I have been trying to find a good dehydrated manure that isn't ridiculously priced. Nor, do I want a mix with too much filler of compost. Any idea where I could order this?
Is 10 weeks normal for colonization? I used 2 10cc syringes. If after the bags are colonizing should you empty the bags into the tub?
When you pasturize at 150F-160F for 2 hours...is that a setting on your bulk pasturization tub? Or are you monitoring the core temp and once THAT hits 150F-160F you start the clock for your 2 hours?
You have to monitor for 2 hours ONCE the temp hits 160
Would plaster of paris work?
Thanks for the info. Valuable knowledge ,,,,,😎
So I don’t have to make substrate every time I go from spawn to bulk
I believe your math is off. For 80% manure and 10% each vermiculite & coir that would mean an 1/8 ratio of the latter two ingredients. So for 48 cups Manure you should need 6 cups each of the other two ingredients for 60 cups total. Then add 3 cups gypsum. Right?
10% of 80% isn't actual 10% in total. If you use 50 cups of manure, you dont add 10% of 50, you add 10% of the total amount, which you should work out with simple math's. If 50 cups is 80% then you should add 6.25 cups of vermiculite and 6.25 cups of coco coir. And to end, for a 5% of volume added gypsum you should add 3.125 cups of gypsum.
Corrected ratios:
-50 cups manure
-6.25 cups vermiculte
-6.25 cups coco coir
-3.125 cups gypsum
Gracias Fabián
Thanks for the info on each section man I find this is going to be a hobby 👌. And idk if anyone else noticed or if its the quality of the video but its the swelling in ur hands and redness on ur left hand.
Could you replace the manure with kitchen compost? Got a ton of compost down to soil, ready to rock :)
You can certainly try!
Does the ph sub matter? Now do u ph the water b4 adding to sub? Or does the blend of sub increase the sub? Distilled water has ph of 0 where purified water is around 6-7.5
Distilled water is 7, neutral. 0 would be very acidic; more acidic than stomach acid.
Eh Willy, does this work with an all American sterilizer for pasteurizing the substrate?
Hi Willy
They say that coco coir is a natural anti-fungi
Is that correct?
Just want to add that allowing a substrate to pasteurize longer than the given time for the given sub. Will not sterilize it. That takes immense heat and pressure and often flame.. it does how ever kill off beneficials.. great video btw!!
80:10:10 would be 40 cups manure, 5 cups coir, 5 cups verm
Great informative video. I got the ick explaining field capacity tho. Like if you don't know what that is watching this video, you haven't even crawled yet, why you trying to run using manure. Better start on some cakes like everyone else
I'm going to try this recipe . I usually jar my cvg substrate and pressure cook for 90-120 min . Would this method be a good idea for this recipe?
That will sterilize your CVG. You just want to pasteurize it or you could kill off all the good microorganisms.
Can I add these for the substrate mix
Coco coir
Vermiculite
Perlite
Malibu compost
Can I use both vermiculite and perlite ? Can I add compost aswell?
And is gypsum absolutely needed?
Do I sterilize with everything mixed together already? And just add the gypsum after?
80% Manure
10%Coco
10% Verm
After full add 5% of Gypsum by volume at the end. That's right it adds up to 105%
THESE % ARE BY VOLUME.
90-second mycology recommended me to your channel for substrate knowledge. Thank you ever so much really informative. New sub. Only thing I'd wonder about is here in the UK, our tap water is chlorinated... So from my days having being a green finger we used to let the water stand for 24-hours so the chlorine would evaporate.. I'm not sure how that would affect mushroom spore but just something I've wondered about.
You can still use it but if it's a concern you could always use filtered tap water or buy bottles of distilled water and you won't have anything to worry about.
You'd need to know if your tap water has chlorine or chloramine. Chlorine will off gas over time, chloramine has largely replaced chlorine because it is more stable. The good and bad of chloramine is that it stays in the water without off gassing....
I collect my rain water I honestly think it would be the best
90sec is the shit, his sub Reddit is one of my favorites ❤️
Isn't it distilled water
I don't know how anybody could contaminate bucket cap I have a completely sealable Rubbermaid bin it's black it's got a yellow lid you can buy them all over the place they're super tough and I put a long thermometer through it I have two of these thermometers I get it to field capacity I throw it in and it oven I turn the oven to its lowest setting and let it get up to 150 with the door cracked open so you can just see the and read the thermometer. Once the oven is adjusted to where the other secondary thermometer just sticking into the oven itself is add 150 you let it go until the end inner temperature of your bulk substrate is also at 150 to 160 that usually takes about an hour and then just let it sit for three hours or so usually after you turn it off it'll stay at 150 for another hour hour and a half so it gets perfectly pasteurized I don't know how you can screw it up it's so easy it's so much easier than steaming it or any of that **** you can simply turn on the oven get it to the right temperature and then walk away set a timer for about four hours and come back and shut it off
most ovens won't go as low as 150 so that's why I cracked the door just a little bit I cracked the door open and then it hits 150 to 160 every single time bingo done it's the easiest part of the whole process. And after I make one tub if I don't feel like doing a second tub from that large bulk substrate I take peroxide and just spritz lightly over the top and close it up and leave it it'll turn to water and oxygen but it'll kill any kind of contamination that may have gotten into the substrate that way you don't have to worry easy peasy
Gracias willy 🎉
Do spent coffee grounds work as opposed to manure?
What is the use of gypsum?
Why do you need to freeze bagged substrate?
my wife has indoor pet rabbits. id would like to use there droppings
I think the math is a little bit off it would be 40 cups manure and 5 vermiculite and 5 coco
Over here instantly overwhelmed on which myco bags to purchase. Dang that selection is deep on unicorn bags 😵
might sound like a stupid question but when a mushroom is dehydrated so to turn into powder will it lose any of its potency?
Tku so much brother. I needed that info so badly .
It’s my first grow, can I keep it simple and just use the Coco coir in a monotub? I got a kit from Midwest and they sent some white kitty litter type stuff to use as sub straight. I’m not sure if I want to use that.
The kitty litter stuff is probably vermiculite, its just a cool rock that puff up when heated up and its safe for human consumption
Does dried cow patties work? From a cow field
That's where the locals find them in Hawaii.
Do you upload anywhere else? You used to have more videos but it seems they got deleted. You had a PF tek and monotub guide that was in-depth
Hey I have a spore syringe of golden teachers....I have a tub, jars, coca coir, whole oats, brown rice, vermiculite, and gypsum. How much of everything should I mix up for one syringe?
Where you from Philly 😅
Lol I live on a farm so manure is abundant. I thought, I only need a little at a time and saw 90s mycology use Tupperware so long story short I microwaved it and my house now smells like baked shit 😂
I'll update if it even pasteurized or just smelled bad.
(Note, it dried out so I had to boil water for ten minutes then rehydrate it)
What are the small white/clear tiny bugs in the manure? Does pastureization kill them? Should one worry about that?
Hello I just wanted to say thank you for all your informational videos. I’ve learned so much from you and the other RUclipsrs who post about mushroom cultivation.
Quick question, if I order the pasteurized mushroom growing sub from poogod do I just use that straight away without adding coir or verm or anything? Just confused
How long does it need to drip dry?
Math is not his strong suit. 80/10/10 🙌
How much spawn would be recommended to add to this bulk ratio?
Pasteurization or Sterilization?
Hi, would a manure based compost work? Would I still use the 80/10/10? Thank you in advance.
Can black cow work?
I’ve heard it can but isn’t nearly as good as the stuff from local horse/cow farms
I use black cow. Works great
What is a liberry?
Can I use manure, Vermiculite and gypsum? I dont have cocoa coir..
How a bad bacteria is killed at 160 degrees but not good bacteria?? According to you, at what temperature does good bacteria die 🦠???
What are your thoughts on adding brown rice flour to the mix willy?
Is ape dung ok?
does the mix make your grow space smell bad
As usual , WillyMyco Delivers !!! #WillyMycomanuresubstrate .... Thanks WillyMyco#
Will this be good for pan cyan? Do you have a non Martha video on these?
if I were to forego the hpoop and opt for a simple verm/coir/gypsum sub., what ratios would I use?
ruclips.net/video/wzMRjEDMdfs/видео.html this is what you are looking for
I just eyeball it, I add more coir than verm and put the gypsum in until I think I added alittle to much then mix it up and slowly add water until it's alittle too wet then cover with foil and throw it in the oven at 170 for 2/2.5 hours, turn off oven and let it sit covered for a few hours, with coir you dont have to be super precise
@@professored7169 you get good yields with that mix?
Just realized you have the exact same accent as BigBrandoh lol
What about using fresh horse poop? I have lots of horse available .
I'm interested in learning the same thing. Please let me know if you hear anything.
No. The composting keeps the manure at a high temperate for several days at a time. This kills off everything from bacteria you don't want and grass seeds you definitely don't want. You should never use fresh poop of any kind on any garden. Even chicken shit will kill your stuff. Some have had luck with black cow manure from HD or Lowes I've read.
Love u willy from chicago
What’s up Chicago 😊 🤫
What is the maximum temperature that the bag withstands in the Autoclave?
Greats from Brazil