I've been living in Thailand for 14 years I'm still single, by choice.for me it's the best option. I've seen some men go through absolute hell here.good video thanks Dave.
Don't get married. Don't cohabitate. Don't impregnate. Don't let feelings control you. Don't spend more than the very bare minimum. Protect yourself at all times. And, have a bloody good time! But, have purpose, find some hobbies and get some activities going so you don't lose yourself. Cheers🍻
@@mikimoto99 Guys who are able to sustain residing in Thailand are normally older and 99% of them don't want/need a child. Also, Thailand is NOT the place to go be a 1st time parent as a man. You're likely to end up in drama, more miserable than before with less of your money. But, if that's what you want, you don't need permission nor validation. Just don't recruit other men to engage in this mess. It's a losing game for 98% foreigners.
You get married or partnered with another adult human anywhere in the world your balls are in a vice, this applies anywhere in the world. Try breaking up in Australia. The frog in the boiling water.. Don't do it, no matter how lovely the relationship is, stay single. Keep the arms length, everything stays fresh, dynamic and if you lose a girl to someone else, so be it. Remember his balls are now in the vice... While you're off on another adventure of discovery... Enjoy life boys and girls.. take care
And it never ends, just imagine all the problems a whole family can have, all the health issues the older folks will have. Now throw into that equation the knowledge she’s with a richy farang.
I watch hundreds of these videos, and that is some of the best and most honest advice I've heard. Anyone who puts themself under the control of another human with emotions, outside influences, and possibly ulterior motives is asking for trouble.
56 years old and I've never considered marriage. I can't bear the thought of someone having any type of control over me or having to put up with their drama and mood swings. I live a very peaceful, contented life.
I was married in the UK, women are women, no matter what country they come from, my advice, stay single, been coming to Thailand 24 years retired here for the last 2 years, I am married to a Thai, If for any reason she got fed up and wanted to go her own way after 17 years of marriage and a 13 year old, so what, plenty more fish in the sea, that's if you want to go fishing, If I were to leave it would be back to the sweatshop where I found her, no money except for my daughter of course, I asked what happens if my wife died, immigration just said we can do you a dependant visa or retirement and a temporary visa until either gets accepted so no getting kicked out after 7 days, but as you said 68,000 baht a month income is not possible for everyone, just get married again then its 40,000 baht a month lmao, you could go get a retirement visa for 35,000 baht fee, no need for the 800,000 baht in the bank ;) don't you wish your own country was like Thailand, look after their own! life's a bitch etc, but I do know where you're coming from, great video and good luck.
you said "you could go get a retirement visa for 35,000 baht fee, no need for the 800,000 baht in the bank".... so I did some searching and can't see that option. Retirement O/A visa is the only one I see at that requires 800K baht in the bank unless I'm missing something?
@@Peace-nb5lm I had a friend who pays a visa office in Pattaya to do his visa and fee, 35k baht, don't know how as I have never used them, but they show you have 800k, he pays 35k every year, me I pay Immigration a tip 1-2000 to do all the paperwork for me, I have 400k but I can use my income as it's 70k a month
Great Post! I first planned to move to Thailand, 24/7 and being 100 percent dependent on my Thai wife. I decided to keep my residency in Europe and spend the winter months in Thailand. If all else fails, I still have a home here no matter what..
what?? Why not do it otherwise?? Keep the european citizenship and get residency in Thailand (this way you dont loose the social benefits of Europe). Or simply just be a tourist in Thailand and use border-hopping.
I am married to a Thai lady but I am on a retirement visa because if something were to happen to her, I will not have to leave in 7 days. I don't feel vulnerable.
That may be so, I was not giving him advice, I was simply pointing out that just because you are married, does not mean one must be on a marriage visa.@ralphfurley4217
Hi Dave, excellent video. Difficult subject. As a boyfriend, they need you, as a husband they can destroy you. They all know it. Don't believe otherwise. Regards, Tony
Great advice. My partner has helped me get bank account, retirement visa, phone account, yellow house book, ID card, motorcycle with ownership n my name, motorcycle insurance, medical insurance, everything. She’s been brilliant but gets angry when I ask questions wanting to understand how it all works. It’s almost as if she likes to have the control with me needing her help. Sometimes she has trouble understanding where I’m coming from and it takes a lot of patience. I’ll be trying to do more for myself in the future
You are done my friend. Just enjoy days you have with her, but you gave controll over your life to her forever. And forget to play with fire traying to regain it back.
You are 100% correct in saying that one needs to be self independent in all things here. I married Thai 10 years ago and was happy for 9 years until she ran off to her old boyfriend from her late teens, because she wanted a younger husband (I'm 76) 555. So, a year ago I packed my bags and moved to Jomtien. It's taken a year to get most of things an expat needs to live here and own our own transport, all things I never did whilst married. Now I know and have it all sorted. Thus taking this advice on this vlog is something I would recommend to others.
Good for you. How is retired & single life in Jomtien for an elderly farang? I was there a few days ago and am seriously thinking about running off from my Thai gf to be single again. Her mood swings are getting to me. Lol...
@@cbs1963 Refreshingly freeing in many ways. There is plenty of quite good accommodation near the beach and all facilities are readily found via baht bus, walking or Bolt/Grab or own transport e.g. a motorcycle. Immigration office is great compared to Bangkok fast and efficient. Medical facilities close by are first class. Of course plenty of bars and eateries and several major mall centers like Central Festival and Terminal 21 in Pattaya. All in all pretty farang friendly and best if you stay partner free for your wallet health.
I am a Thai woman and I have farang bf he is older than me 4 years I am 26 he is 30, I never ask his money but I think if I ask he will give me and if he ask money from me I will give my money to him too, I really love him we have similar life style don’t smoke don’t drink alcohol don’t like go to club or bar don’t use social media much we like to workout and healthy,we can talk everything,I feel comfortable with him,he is handsome man and he care about me a lot and protective and romantic I can feel that he is really love me, I put him for number one and my family is number two and I will not let my family ruin my relationship, he is the only one person that I want to be with until I die and take care each other go to hospital together when we get old 😂, I really afraid that I will lose him he is the right person for me and I think he think the same 🙂 just want to tell that every women not bad You just haven't found the right person yet.
Interesting the word 'yet'. I have spent so many years looking for the right person, never found her, and now with fading years, it looks like I never will.
@darassylmoniakam Amazing how people reply with "who cares"? If you did not care, a mature person would ignore comment, but it clearly shows that you cared.
Perfect timing, I was just looking to find out if the marriage visa is worth anything. Truly a video sent from above! I shall choose the retirement visa option.
Unfortunately even when your in the right in an accident there, the law will often look at it that if you hadn't been in Thailand, as a foreigner it wouldn't have happened. Crazy but true.
I've lived in Thailand for 24 years now. I'm on a retirement visa and do everything myself. I've always been amazed to witness how dependent foreign guys are on their Thai wife, they can barely tie their own fricking shoes...pathetic
never marry. PERIOD!! Marriage is ALWAYS a loose for a man. Everywhere on earth. No benefits at all. Huge disadvantages. Any man that still thinks about marriage hasn't got the message
i can't understand why guys live in a country that treat them unfairly just for being a foreigner. Thailand is a nice place to visit but making it your home is just crazy no matter how cheap it is
If I were you I would get out of there as soon as possible, in my case she tried to kill me, stole my house, ruined my reputation, had secret affairs, involved in terrible things with multiple people, narcissistic, psychopathic, secret life insurance policy, identity theft, could not get help. My story is same as yours, called me king and did everything for me, you are trapped and likely trauma bonded. I am in my 5th year of healing from extreme gaslighting and psychological abuse and manipulation. Do yourself a favor, wake up and painfully escape, do not try to reason or reveal your plan.
A friend of mine was out there on holiday met a girlWhat he didn’t know is she had a boyfriend . He wanted to be with her so he came back home carried on working sending money back to her sold his house she insisted he must transfer that money into her bank account so she can purchase a house that she has found for them this was all lie so Mike lost all the money he had worked for all his life he duly committed suicide. He was a tough Man working as a roofer in the building trade. Not only only losing everything it was the humiliation that go to him. .
My brother in Africa was married to a Nigerian belonging to the ruling tribe and had family very senior in it. When his marriage went south she had the cops and everything else after him bank frozen assets taken screwed left right and Chelsea.
Great video! Most ppl dont think about all these issues. I have been coming here on and off for years and I always thought it would crazy to marry one of these women. After seeing all the things I have seen them do. Thai women just love your money and nothing else.
By the way, it’s something that is impossible to get used to. They are too proud as we are just insignificant to them. It’s all about their family. Even the strangers in the street will come first and you will come second. It sounds bizarre and unreasonable and that’s only one percent of the issues. You can make these comments on your videos. The good thing is that you’re helping the majority of the men understand reality is everyone else out there makes out like it’s all that until they end up losing all their money, and on top of that the best years of their lives and sooner or later, they end up being Old and back in their own country, and they look back and think what a mistake they made giving their life away to live in a country that controls you
BINGO!! "They are too proud as we are just insignificant to them." NOW you know how WESTERN WOMEN feel about the constant berating of their feelings and emotions and relationship wishes by Western Men.
But GO WATCH the thousands of RUclipsrs and RUclips Videos where Western Men are LAUGHING and Making FUN of Western Women who Sincerely Want to Find a Good Loving Relationship and to settle. These Western Men not just LAUGHT at them, but make FUN of their Age, their Wishes, and if they Are Single Mothers; WOW, the Spitting and throwing Stones to these women and the berating just Takes a Whole NEW LEVEL of degrading these Western Women.
I will be retiring in Thailand , hopefully this year. Staying single and keeping my money is the key. I learned my lesson a while ago. Rather die single and happy, then miserable and attached.
I subscribed as soon as you mentioned being vulnerable. Navigating self-awareness and understanding what your needs are and how those needs can be exploited is so much more important than which Gogo or GC to go to.
Wow , this is REAL material.... not the usual fluff and everything is fabulous and rosy. Thumbs up to you for "keeping it real".... Makes a huge deference for your credibility ..... hope things workout, but as you recently found out, nota a good feeling to find yourself in the twilight of your life... Good luck
Excellent advice lad. I wanted to comment, correct and address point you had made however you adressed all the points i wanted to bring up and you brought yo a good message. Particularly about self sufficiency and not being codependent. No man wants to feel vulnerable and when your marriage is the only reason you are able to dtay in a place youve always wanted to then priorities are not in order. Im glad youve had yime to refelct and feel better. I know this was 4 months ago but I wanted to say fair play to you lad. Keep her lit.
Thanks for sharing your personal experiences. This is good information. I was already a firm believer in maintaining leverage in a relationship. When the woman has the leverage it just isn’t comfortable for me . I plan to stay single for so many reasons . This is just one to add to the list .
New subscriber. I've been happily married to a Thai for 29 years - I guess she is playing the long game. We do live in the UK though and she doesn't want to live in Thailand.
I am in a long term relationship with my Thai partner of 15 years. Initially yes there was some monetary contribution but I have explained to my Thai partner that I am not going to help the whole village. My partner understands my position and we are happy for the most of our 15 years together. I think if you show that your commitment is real and you’re in it for the long haul both of us have to stand together no matter who else is there in the family.
I have oft thought that marriage here in Thailand is pointless. The 'rewards' are not enough to justify the risk. There is no guaranteed right of abode or right to work as there would be in most countries. No right to raise your kids. And you still cannot buy land (easily). All the hassle and you still have to show 400k in the bank as opposed to 800k. So unless you really like cake and expensive parties - don't.
Sounds like a better _breeding ground_ than a staying one. The most beneficial life of a man with conviction in today's world is that of a _rolling stone_ , but you're going to have to deal with the confliction of being a _rolling stone_ if you have children. The downside.
Trying to be as self sufficient as possible is definitely a worthy goal. I have never liked anyone over me, thus have been self employed for many years and stayed single since my divorce. I always hated the reality that every morning I walked into paid employment that the employer had the power to completely change the course of my life in a heartbeat. Sound advice from this man.
Better yet pick a better country and society. I was with a Thai woman for 18 years, married 12, 2 daughters that I have had full custody of since diapers. If there are any men reading this thinking about going to Thailand to find a spouse, think again. I will never return to this country or culture again.
it is true that you can’t bring out all your kids outside the country i watch one western woman lily who marry a thai man she only take one kids out of the country
You sound like a real man, taking your responsibilities seriously. If more men used their brains, they would learn from other men going through bad experiences. There is no fool like an old fool! A young handsome man would be less susceptible to being suckered into such a relationship but the old guys with money are an easy target. These women see them coming from afar. 🫣
I think the problem you had was getting married and having kids. I’m staying single and no kids, snipped. Great Thai girlfriend but if things change for her in the marriage department, I will be gone. Smiles
Good video. Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom. ...it is rare that people give this type of information from this country, so if we think deeper, we lose every time if we are in a conflict, and of course when we give too much trust to a lady from T...Good luck👍🏻
My guy. Remember this old saying she is not yours it's just your turn. Whatever rough patch both of you are going threw don't work it out or even talking to her just let her know if you are not happy being here with me there's the door you can always leave and never come back. I bet you $10 she would shut the hell up and humble herself. Don't get married and don't attach yourself to one girl and always have an escape plan.
@@alphaomegadaily100%. From parents importance to simply asking and answering questions. They view it differently. Honesty isn’t as prioritized as it is in the west. A Thai would rather lie if she thinks you MIGHT misinterpret a situation, even though doing so risks creating a worse situation with a westerner
some time ago you spoke about the value of the support you get marrying into a Thai family, that it's an advantage versus those without. I guess the vulnerability is the flip side, at least if you're on the marriage visa. I enjoy your content, viewpoints and sage advice, thanks for sharing with us-
So true about being a foreigner and even if you’re in the right you don’t have a leg to stand on (in a traffic dispute for example) It’s the same where I am in North east Asia. I’ve had someone speed up when they saw me, as they were so certain it was their right of way (it wasn’t ), but they were confident if they knocked me over I would have been in the wrong, as the foreigner. I was a pedestrian 😂 but they still felt confident that if they knocked me over in their car, I’d be to blame - I wasn’t jaywalking, it was my right of way, but the stupid driver didn’t understand the rules of the road ( I have been a driver in this country for over 10 years, so I do know them)
I am married to a Thai woman. I had a marriage visa. last year we almost divorced, so I changed my visa to an O visa to not get kicked out right away. We are back together but I don't want to go back to a marriage visa. Even if I could have access to 40 000 baths extra. When I was about to divorce I felt insecure. If she simply dies in a car crash, I have to leave ASAP. It's not the woman but Thai society that is like that.
Very interesting video. You're quite correct on the vunerability and dependency points that you raise but not EVERY woman can be tarred with the same brush. Almost everything is the fault of the 'farang' especially on the roads though and I absolutely agree with that. I find that learning and speaking some Thai is a massive help and you are shown must more respect IMHO but that takes time of course.
Thank you for a great video ! You are spot on when you pointing out the vulnerable that many farangs found themselves in. I am living with a Thai lady since 2019 and it’s the best thing ever happened to me. She has a heart of gold, and we are very happy together. I also got two wonderful 10:35 daughters as a bonus. But when it comes to relationships we must be realistic, think’s can change, and you are in a foreign country witch automatically makes you more vulnerable. Personally I would never expose myself to that. I always want too live my life in a way that, if something bad happens I can be on the move in two hours. I love my Thai family and I sure as hell don’t want to live them, but I think it’s good for them to understand the underlying conditions. But we are all different and I fully respect others way too handling this difficulties.
Thanks for sharing it's nice to have a heartfelt honest discussion about this there's so many horror stories of when marriages go bad for foreigners married to Thai women love is a great thing but when it goes south it can be pretty vicious
I have been married to a Thai lady for 17 years.and I am still very very happy. I had cancer and had to go through twu major operations and spend a lot of time in hospital. I was then transferred to the cancer hospital in Chonburi,where I had fantastic treatment, and my Thai wife looked after me and made sure I had the best treatment. When I was so weak after surgery she did everything for me. I not only love my wife. I worship the ground she walks on.
If you're over 50 you can easily get a retirement visa if you have the 800k. Not that big of a deal actually. Having a kid is the bigger problem in the case of divorce.
@@stevebomonster I know that already. If someone lost their marriage Visa with a Thai child involved they can get a visa based on guardianship of the child. It won't involve the amount of money required for a retirement visa.
If you want to be self sufficient & not feeling vulnerable, learn the language! You will not be denied anything by anybody & will get the utmost respect by everybody!
I think learning the language if you move to a foreign country is key to having control, you can do so much for yourself. I'm new over here but try to speak Thia whenever I can so I can educate myself and learn from mistakes. Even getting something from the local shop in rural Thailand give me a sense of control and achievement
Good luck on the rebound and I'm guessing from watching your videos that you have the knowledge and determination to remain active in Thailand if things pan out alright.
Can’t you just keep the minimum required amount of money for a pensioner visa in the bank? That way your immigration status doesn’t depend on your wive’s actions.
Even THAT is illegal, since she is a "nominee" for a foreigner in Thai Land Law. She may think she "owns" it, but it can be revoked (as illegal and registered in error) AT ANY TIME.
@@davidb2206you can recoup your money as long there is a financial trail as to where the money comes from ,IE bank transfers from your bank to her bank. Never withdraw cash unless it's for day to day expenses.
Thanks again and for being frank and vulnerable about a situation ehere you were obviously emotionally compromised and powerless, as you put it. We are guests and lucky to be so in a country with a vastly different culture. And Thailand is all about money. As is the UK and probably everywhere else. In Thailand westerners get away with spending less but its about money here. End of!
There was a bbc programme about Norwegian men marrying Thai women. The scheming that goes on behind the mens backs was reprehesible. It started with a man from Norway meeting and marrying a Thai woman and them settling in Norway. Soon this woman was settling his friends up with Thai wives aswell. She said they were all good women and not from the cities but they were all ex skeezers. The husbands were non the wiser.
It's very sad for us retired men with stable income trying to find a companionship in our last days, months and years depending on a relationship based on money not genuinely on pure and real love. It sucks, now watching these video I gave up to go Thailand with 50 years old and I will live like that neurosurgeon who gave up everything to live with his dog doobie within the nature away from all sick and failed relationships with human beings in general.
Good advice for those watching. I am heading over at the end of next year to Bangkok to retire with my Thai wife - my son will be doing his last 6 years of school at NIST and I decided I would go there on a guardian visa when I was getting it organised, for the reason you have said. If I want to stay after that & my son does then I will probably get a privilege visa that allows children to stay also. For the same reason I will be renting a condo near the school for us, even though my wife wanted to buy a house that she saw nearby, I want to keep that control (also the market there is nothing I want to invest in). My wife & I have been married 20yrs & have a great relationship, but I have always believed that when there is a one sided power dynamic it is bad for both of the people & the relationship.
Don't bring all your money into Thailand and never sell your property and send all the money to Thailand. If you divorce, you can convert your marriage visa to a retirement visa.
Female nature globally is identical. Boy meets girl. Gladly sacrifices his all for her security. Girl surveys the market after secure. Finds a smarter, wealthier and better looking stud. You lose house, furnishings, children and years lost while pleasing her. Gentlemen, look out for #1
My view on marriage in general has changed the older I’ve gotten (I’m 24 rn). I grew up in a more traditional household, both parents worked but other trad values were there. That caused me to want to get married and think good things about it. But as I’ve gotten older I just see more cons than pros, and it’s really been a back and fourth in my head about it. Logically, ik it’s in my best interest to not get married and if I do I’m extremely vulnerable and it’s kinda a time bomb in a way, but thinking differently I want marriage. I think it’s more for the fact of a partner and the emotional side of it. I know many people only see the wedding and the “good” stuff about it, and I know the statistics about marriages which makes me hesitant. Generally I don’t think marrying a western woman is a good idea right now, there’s always exceptions to the rule tho. lol the passport bros joke seems less and less like a joke as time goes on tho😂
I REALLY appreciate your being so vulnerable with us in telling your story. You are honest and articulate. It is indeed a word to the wise to be aware, as much as possible, of the consequences of your behaviors and decisions. And you have broadened your audience's relative knowledge of the consequences of being a foreigner living in Thailand. You do it with your every video which is why I like you. We will, however, forever be vulnerable to the known and unknown outcomes for every decision we make. Being aware that our very nature is "vulnerability" and tolerance of the distress that may come with that - easier said than done - is what can lead to the peaceful acceptance of any outcome encountered and the way through it. This is the Buddha's path. But please know, "I like your path too! Very much! Honest awareness of various perspectives!" You inform me, my friend. 😉🙏
Re: 7 days to leave the country. I discussed this point some time ago with a senior official in the Ministry of Immigration. In the event you’re married to a Thai and your Thai spouse passes away, you are allowed to apply for a new non-spousal visa-a standard non-immigrant retirement or non-immigrant “O” visa-provided you meet the visa provisions. You are granted an extension (permission to stay in the Kingdom) while your visa application is being processed.
This happens with many married couples. One has their duties in the household and the other has different duties. If one partner passes away then the remaining ones needs to take up the other duties and that will take some time to adjust to.
Good advice my friend. I live in Bangkok alone & im fortunate to have the TB80,000 + per month passive income and I'm on a retirement visa . Stay single in Bangkok !
For the first time listening to several “bloggers”, I am emphatic with this gentleman man - and she knows that - don’t do it fellas- men, especially foreigners, pay very close attention - Good luck- I fear there’s more to come sirs!
If over 50, just get a retirement visa. And if you do not have a monthly income/pension of at least 65,000 THB (or can't keep 800,000 THB in a Thai bank account) then you probably shouldn't be in a far off land. I would feel vulnerable too.
Most Western men are emotional children. They are easily talked into buying real property and a new car in their wife's/gf's name, and when the relationship ends, they are high and dry as you say. Of course, support your wife or gf, but don't give them anything so substantial that you will miss it if your relationship collapses.
Been in Thailand for 8 year and never considered marrying a Thai woman unless she has lived in another country. In my years I have only met 2 who have actually lived in a foreign country.
Thank you this is so informative. Im in Thailand now on a long trip with plans to live here very shortly. Im a single guy and always will be. I love the line similar to': "you can command your lifestyle". I've had Thai women talk about marriage within an hour or two of meeting me and there's a bar girl i fancy who wants to talk about what it costs to buy her out snd keep her. She's gorgeous but where's the future in that.? Plus I'd be taking her away from her source of income...i have words with myself very often - stay single!
About a divorce with a Thai .If you do not co-operate it will take her a year to get one .Thats my experience .I broke up with the Thai wife ,but i left the Country anyway as i had at the same time run out of money .I did not co-operate with the divorce and she had to wait a full year to get one .
After I got divorced I just waited until 45 days before my marriage visa expires. Then collected all paperwork for a retirement visa. Then I just applied for a retirement visa and no issues.
Thanks for the video, I really enjoyed what you had to say. I live in Colombia and it's the same thing. Someone can stay here on a marriage visa for one year. Imagine being on the hook with your honey every year to live here. Then, if you buy property together she's entitled to half if divorced. Also, if she moves into a place, that you already own ,and then you get married and then divorced, she's entitled to half of the capital gains that the property made since the marriage. Poverty is rampant here so many women would be happy to get married, get divorced, and have money that would take them years to make. Also, for about $200 U.S. they can have someone killed so she would get it all. Who knows what they're plotting and planning, behind someone's back, with their family or secret lover.
Very valuable words for ALL men anywhere on the planet. Marriage to ANY female gives her the power and leverage, and compromises your freedom. Is marriage worth the price, gentlemen?
I think if you want to have a family with children marriage is the way to go. But you have to be vigilant and strong and make sure that your woman understands your position. Unfortunately in the west that is no longer possible with many women. And moving to another country to do that where you are not valued is not a good way to go about it either. I don't know what the right answer is but if I was 20 again I would wait until I was 40 then go to Southeast Asia find the bride bring her back to the US and then ultimately somewhere where we could retire together. I would make sure that she was not influence by the feminist movement in the US as much as possible and when I saw red flags I would move.. I would protect my assets and not give her a reason to try to file for divorce, while still being the man in the relationship and in charge. Yeah that sounds like an impossible thing but it's not I just wasn't able to do it.
@@richardclausen154Richard I would say at this point in my life that no it was not. But it depends on which measurement you use. I do have two grown children that are men now. And that is an accomplishment. But do I look back on my life and think yeah that was worth it? No. Life is what you make it, they say but it's also pretty random. Better to just be okay with who you are in the present moment. And for that I need to be autonomous. And I can't be that in a relationship.
@@RobFomenko thanks for that. At 65, I have my two daughters I raised and my grandchildren and a career that I fully enjoy. I have all the relationships I need and also have the quality of life that brings me much peace and fulfillment in my life. Thank you for sharing and may life continue to treat you well.
There's no requirement to change from a Non immigrant O visa due to retirement ("retirement visa") to a Non-immigrant O visa due to marriage ("spousal visa") if you get married. If you get divorced and you qualify for a "retirement visa" you can change to a Non immigrant O visa due to retirement. If you get divorced your current visa is valid until its expiry date. The monthly income requirement for a retirement visa is Bt65,000 per month + Bt800,000 security deposit. This is a bit alarmist by someone who doesn't fully understand the visa requirements. Relax :)
As a rule of thumb men today need to guard their independence anywhere in the world.
always the same anti-dating shit.
100% self sufficient is the way forward they have a habit of fkn up your flow when there’s any dependency involved you left wide open to any old bs.
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@Ebawoaz... interesting thought ? considering transgender WOKENESS top half female ...bottom half male ,..so depends upon where to gain independence ?
Marriage is a business contract that guarantees the woman the man's assets after she leaves. It's business, not love.
I've been living in Thailand for 14 years I'm still single, by choice.for me it's the best option. I've seen some men go through absolute hell here.good video thanks Dave.
Yes why would any sane man want to be with a thai long term. No love here just financial conditions
What happened? Story time?
typical stubborn aged dude. it's not like if any women ask to be married
@@markmelanson6785actually I'm not sane, but the best part is if I don't make the payment she gets repossessed..
‘Can’t keep her happy all of the time ‘. Too true , it seems whatever you do sometimes it seems they are never truly happy 😅
Don't get married.
Don't cohabitate.
Don't impregnate.
Don't let feelings control you.
Don't spend more than the very bare minimum.
Protect yourself at all times.
And, have a bloody good time!
But,
have purpose, find some hobbies and get some activities going so you don't lose yourself.
Cheers🍻
Well said. Men are finally learning that today's societal regulations aren't made for your prosperity.
Dont impregnate! And never experience the joys of parenthood! Enjoy your cats😊
@@mikimoto99
Guys who are able to sustain residing in Thailand are normally older and 99% of them don't want/need a child.
Also,
Thailand is NOT the place to go be a 1st time parent as a man. You're likely to end up in drama, more miserable than before with less of your money.
But,
if that's what you want,
you don't need permission nor validation.
Just don't recruit other men to engage in this mess.
It's a losing game for 98% foreigners.
the problem is that some things that are the most fun requires women
@@absfinal
Then have at it my man and don't be fleeced.
Close your wallet and your heart for self preservation.
Have fun.
You get married or partnered with another adult human anywhere in the world your balls are in a vice, this applies anywhere in the world. Try breaking up in Australia. The frog in the boiling water.. Don't do it, no matter how lovely the relationship is, stay single. Keep the arms length, everything stays fresh, dynamic and if you lose a girl to someone else, so be it. Remember his balls are now in the vice... While you're off on another adventure of discovery... Enjoy life boys and girls.. take care
Solid advice. Only $imps get married … 🎉
like this :)
exactly
@frankparkinson3646 Why mention Australia in particular ?
😒 Hit and Move, Keep it Moving, Papa was a Rollin Stone......
I’m flat out supporting myself let alone a whole Thai family 😄
😒 Facts, its hard enough worrying about your Daily Bread
@@MrSamadolfo I’m living in Thailand because I can no longer afford to live in Australia.
@@racingflashbacks Same here, never going back to live in USA...too expensive.
@@racingflashbacks Then you have done something wrong in your life!
And it never ends, just imagine all the problems a whole family can have, all the health issues the older folks will have. Now throw into that equation the knowledge she’s with a richy farang.
I watch hundreds of these videos, and that is some of the best and most honest advice I've heard. Anyone who puts themself under the control of another human with emotions, outside influences, and possibly ulterior motives is asking for trouble.
Especially in a country like Thailand, where a foreigner will be forever a Farang.
I agree. Very important message here.
@@Wonderwall36 or in any asian place
Thank you.
when a misogynous dude seeks absolutely to be approved
Stay single! Protect yourself at all costs!
Stay single, ENJOY and protect yourself at all costs. 👍👍👍
@alexn4255 good for you. Happy for you. Unfortunately, some older farrangs didn’t turn out to be a happy ending like you. Good job mate
@alexn4255 Maybe keep your opinion to yourself and stop with the shaming.
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no. just don't marry THEM.
Moral of this story, DON"T GET MARRIED!
To a Thai women
56 years old and I've never considered marriage. I can't bear the thought of someone having any type of control over me or having to put up with their drama and mood swings. I live a very peaceful, contented life.
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@@khunjam8852 💯%👍
not in thailand
I was married in the UK, women are women, no matter what country they come from, my advice, stay single, been coming to Thailand 24 years retired here for the last 2 years, I am married to a Thai, If for any reason she got fed up and wanted to go her own way after 17 years of marriage and a 13 year old, so what, plenty more fish in the sea, that's if you want to go fishing, If I were to leave it would be back to the sweatshop where I found her, no money except for my daughter of course, I asked what happens if my wife died, immigration just said we can do you a dependant visa or retirement and a temporary visa until either gets accepted so no getting kicked out after 7 days, but as you said 68,000 baht a month income is not possible for everyone, just get married again then its 40,000 baht a month lmao, you could go get a retirement visa for 35,000 baht fee, no need for the 800,000 baht in the bank ;) don't you wish your own country was like Thailand, look after their own! life's a bitch etc, but I do know where you're coming from, great video and good luck.
Thank you
you said "you could go get a retirement visa for 35,000 baht fee, no need for the 800,000 baht in the bank".... so I did some searching and can't see that option. Retirement O/A visa is the only one I see at that requires 800K baht in the bank unless I'm missing something?
@@Peace-nb5lm I had a friend who pays a visa office in Pattaya to do his visa and fee, 35k baht, don't know how as I have never used them, but they show you have 800k, he pays 35k every year, me I pay Immigration a tip 1-2000 to do all the paperwork for me, I have 400k but I can use my income as it's 70k a month
I guess being over 50 men still have not learned a thing if you even consider getting married
Hahahahaha many have not
it's their right
Well put..
Great Post! I first planned to move to Thailand, 24/7 and being 100 percent dependent on my Thai wife. I decided to keep my residency in Europe and spend the winter months in Thailand. If all else fails, I still have a home here no matter what..
I am doing exactly the same, with same-sex unions on the horizon, I would worry that my Thai 'husband' will rule the roost.
Yeah I ain’t staying there full time. Maybe a few months at a time is enough for me…..
Wise decision you won't regret it.
what?? Why not do it otherwise?? Keep the european citizenship and get residency in Thailand (this way you dont loose the social benefits of Europe). Or simply just be a tourist in Thailand and use border-hopping.
Verstandig, heb het zelfde gedaan! Wise, I did the same!
DONT GET MARRIED ANYWHERE
why ?
@@EmilyMartin-vl1yo because men have zero benefits from it nowadays, only sacrifices. Law and feminism destroyed marriage.
too much risk no reward ,- its not worth it !@@EmilyMartin-vl1yo
That’s for sure!
why shouldn't we? because you're generalizing Americans?
I am married to a Thai lady but I am on a retirement visa because if something were to happen to her, I will not have to leave in 7 days. I don't feel vulnerable.
I decided to scroll down on the comments. You just gave the answer I was looking for. Thank you.
That's what I was going to ask. Why change to a marriage visa?
Same here. I was married and 12 years later divorced, I always kept my retirement visa because it is much easier to make and keeps you independent.
That may be so, I was not giving him advice, I was simply pointing out that just because you are married, does not mean one must be on a marriage visa.@ralphfurley4217
@ralphfurley4217 he should start saving then just in case. 🤣
Hi Dave, excellent video. Difficult subject. As a boyfriend, they need you, as a husband they can destroy you. They all know it. Don't believe otherwise.
Regards, Tony
Not always true.
Well said!
Great advice. My partner has helped me get bank account, retirement visa, phone account, yellow house book, ID card, motorcycle with ownership n my name, motorcycle insurance, medical insurance, everything. She’s been brilliant but gets angry when I ask questions wanting to understand how it all works. It’s almost as if she likes to have the control with me needing her help. Sometimes she has trouble understanding where I’m coming from and it takes a lot of patience. I’ll be trying to do more for myself in the future
You are done my friend. Just enjoy days you have with her, but you gave controll over your life to her forever. And forget to play with fire traying to regain it back.
Sounds like a red flag to me. Yeah I'm sure I would appreciate that help but not the debt it puts me into. I would be careful.
Red flag. She's watching out for herself.
@giltee626: You are being played 100%.
She probably gets angry because none of it makes any sense, thai govt policy is on the opposite side of the sanity spectrum.
Freedom is priceless, don’t give it away PERIOD!!
You are 100% correct in saying that one needs to be self independent in all things here.
I married Thai 10 years ago and was happy for 9 years until she ran off to her old boyfriend from her late teens, because she wanted a younger husband (I'm 76) 555.
So, a year ago I packed my bags and moved to Jomtien.
It's taken a year to get most of things an expat needs to live here and own our own transport, all things I never did whilst married.
Now I know and have it all sorted.
Thus taking this advice on this vlog is something I would recommend to others.
Good for you. How is retired & single life in Jomtien for an elderly farang? I was there a few days ago and am seriously thinking about running off from my Thai gf to be single again. Her mood swings are getting to me. Lol...
@@cbs1963menopause..
Let another paying Foreigner enjoy that..
@@cbs1963 Refreshingly freeing in many ways. There is plenty of quite good accommodation near the beach and all facilities are readily found via baht bus, walking or Bolt/Grab or own transport e.g. a motorcycle. Immigration office is great compared to Bangkok fast and efficient. Medical facilities close by are first class. Of course plenty of bars and eateries and several major mall centers like Central Festival and Terminal 21 in Pattaya. All in all pretty farang friendly and best if you stay partner free for your wallet health.
Did you get officially divorced? If so, what does that entail?
@@rickcinway2312 Go to the Amphur where you registered the marriage, fill out the forms, both sign and its done. Otherwise it's going to court.
I am a Thai woman and I have farang bf he is older than me 4 years I am 26 he is 30, I never ask his money but I think if I ask he will give me and if he ask money from me I will give my money to him too, I really love him we have similar life style don’t smoke don’t drink alcohol don’t like go to club or bar don’t use social media much we like to workout and healthy,we can talk everything,I feel comfortable with him,he is handsome man and he care about me a lot and protective and romantic I can feel that he is really love me, I put him for number one and my family is number two and I will not let my family ruin my relationship, he is the only one person that I want to be with until I die and take care each other go to hospital together when we get old 😂, I really afraid that I will lose him he is the right person for me and I think he think the same 🙂 just want to tell that every women not bad You just haven't found the right person yet.
100 to one maybe
Not using social media is a plus! ดีมากครับ
Interesting the word 'yet'. I have spent so many years looking for the right person, never found her, and now with fading years, it looks like I never will.
Well said, same is true in every country of the world...
@@eddiejohnson4434, I think this is social media, lol
I am 62. Never was married...and will die alone. AND HAPPY!
@darassylmoniakam You. Do not reply if you do not care.
@darassylmoniakam Amazing how people reply with "who cares"? If you did not care, a mature person would ignore comment, but it clearly shows that you cared.
@@darassylmoniakamNext time, if you do not care, stay silent. Your comment shows you cared enough to respond.
62? Remind us again in 20 years 🙏
You escaped the matrix and didn’t get fooled. I proposed to a great woman and divorced a rude roommate
thanks for the advice mate. Always good to be reminded of these issues
Thanks for sharing your personal domestic situation, it's very enlightening... the best to you. Catch you on the next live stream!🕶
Perfect timing, I was just looking to find out if the marriage visa is worth anything. Truly a video sent from above! I shall choose the retirement visa option.
Best of luck!
Unfortunately even when your in the right in an accident there, the law will often look at it that if you hadn't been in Thailand, as a foreigner it wouldn't have happened. Crazy but true.
Or they look at it as another way to pry some money out of you.
@garyaltenburger6667 this is Thailand
@garyaltenburger6667 Hahahahahahahahaha
@@ras9875 💯%👍
Same in Philippines
I have been married to a Thai Woman for 20 years, very happy and not controlled in any way.
@@PROGAMING-yu5ef then why are you watching these videos?
@@Fedko3037 i do not understand why I could not watch the video?
I've lived in Thailand for 24 years now. I'm on a retirement visa and do everything myself. I've always been amazed to witness how dependent foreign guys are on their Thai wife, they can barely tie their own fricking shoes...pathetic
lol
great point , i see it all the time 🤣
Bro you're very trusting, i wouldn't trust a woman here to buy me a bus ticket, 100% she'll mess it up.
True
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We know
Lucky the Baht buses don't require advance purchase. lol
he's super genralizing.
never marry. PERIOD!!
Marriage is ALWAYS a loose for a man. Everywhere on earth. No benefits at all. Huge disadvantages. Any man that still thinks about marriage hasn't got the message
i can't understand why guys live in a country that treat them unfairly just for being a foreigner. Thailand is a nice place to visit but making it your home is just crazy no matter how cheap it is
I've seen it's mainly British people who don't want to return to their country. Maybe because Britain is DDD? ( Damp. Dark. Depressing)
its evil
@@cbs1963 Dangerous
Exactly!
How are we treated unfairly?
If I were you I would get out of there as soon as possible, in my case she tried to kill me, stole my house, ruined my reputation, had secret affairs, involved in terrible things with multiple people, narcissistic, psychopathic, secret life insurance policy, identity theft, could not get help. My story is same as yours, called me king and did everything for me, you are trapped and likely trauma bonded. I am in my 5th year of healing from extreme gaslighting and psychological abuse and manipulation. Do yourself a favor, wake up and painfully escape, do not try to reason or reveal your plan.
God!
That sounds awful. Respect for getting out, tbh i dread to think how this could have ended but your out and safe
God bless you, I pray for your healing.
A friend of mine was out there on holiday met a girlWhat he didn’t know is she had a boyfriend . He wanted to be with her so he came back home carried on working sending money back to her sold his house she insisted he must transfer that money into her bank account so she can purchase a house that she has found for them this was all lie so Mike lost all the money he had worked for all his life he duly committed suicide. He was a tough Man working as a roofer in the building trade. Not only only losing everything it was the humiliation that go to him. .
Sorry that happened to ya mate.
My brother in Africa was married to a Nigerian belonging to the ruling tribe and had family very senior in it. When his marriage went south she had the cops and everything else after him bank frozen assets taken screwed left right and Chelsea.
That’s why Africa is such wonderful place. No rule of law😂
@@12567NoYouCannot American and western women still do that too
I’m so sad that you going through this.I hope that in the end you’ll be happy.God bless.
Great video! Most ppl dont think about all these issues. I have been coming here on and off for years and I always thought it would crazy to marry one of these women. After seeing all the things I have seen them do. Thai women just love your money and nothing else.
Thanks for sharing!!
Your experience of vulnerability has taught you and your video helps the rest of us to learn from your experience. Thank you.
I think this is your best video and one of the best videos about living in SEA anywhere.
By the way, it’s something that is impossible to get used to. They are too proud as we are just insignificant to them. It’s all about their family. Even the strangers in the street will come first and you will come second. It sounds bizarre and unreasonable and that’s only one percent of the issues. You can make these comments on your videos. The good thing is that you’re helping the majority of the men understand reality is everyone else out there makes out like it’s all that until they end up losing all their money, and on top of that the best years of their lives and sooner or later, they end up being Old and back in their own country, and they look back and think what a mistake they made giving their life away to live in a country that controls you
BINGO!! "They are too proud as we are just insignificant to them." NOW you know how WESTERN WOMEN feel about the constant berating of their feelings and emotions and relationship wishes by Western Men.
But GO WATCH the thousands of RUclipsrs and RUclips Videos where Western Men are LAUGHING and Making FUN of Western Women who Sincerely Want to Find a Good Loving Relationship and to settle. These Western Men not just LAUGHT at them, but make FUN of their Age, their Wishes, and if they Are Single Mothers; WOW, the Spitting and throwing Stones to these women and the berating just Takes a Whole NEW LEVEL of degrading these Western Women.
I will be retiring in Thailand , hopefully this year. Staying single and keeping my money is the key. I learned my lesson a while ago. Rather die single and happy, then miserable and attached.
Good advice 👍
@@darassylmoniakam No misogymy at all. Trust my head and instincts than the little head down there.
dying in the misogyny and bias. i am not in the mood to talk with an arrogant old man. i don't need any lesson.
@@daredevil1956 you don't even know what it is , old man.
@@darassylmoniakam And I am not even talking to you. At least I am thinking with the head that won't ruin my life.
The trouble with asian women especially thai and philipino women is that you marry the whole family 😊😊😢😢
nice , so take one with many young sisters ??
That can be a good thing.
The future liability is very uncertain
If you think like this stay away from Thailand and the Philippines...
@@klausschumacher7126 Don´t be a Simp, its a lose/lose thing, when the Money is Gone ? GirlFriend & Family is gone too.
I subscribed as soon as you mentioned being vulnerable. Navigating self-awareness and understanding what your needs are and how those needs can be exploited is so much more important than which Gogo or GC to go to.
You don't need a Thai marriage visa if you are married. Just keep the retirement visa and don't get the marriage visa.
which bank do you use/trust in Thailand to hold your 800000 baht?
@@regnorseBangkok Bank
@@regnorse There are ways around that too. Just ask an agent.
@@sarlina1 cool..can you recommend one?
@@blumenkraft23 cheers
Wow , this is REAL material.... not the usual fluff and everything is fabulous and rosy. Thumbs up to you for "keeping it real".... Makes a huge deference for your credibility ..... hope things workout, but as you recently found out, nota a good feeling to find yourself in the twilight of your life...
Good luck
Excellent advice lad. I wanted to comment, correct and address point you had made however you adressed all the points i wanted to bring up and you brought yo a good message. Particularly about self sufficiency and not being codependent. No man wants to feel vulnerable and when your marriage is the only reason you are able to dtay in a place youve always wanted to then priorities are not in order. Im glad youve had yime to refelct and feel better. I know this was 4 months ago but I wanted to say fair play to you lad. Keep her lit.
Thank you for sharing and for your honest confession.
My pleasure!
Thanks for sharing your personal experiences. This is good information. I was already a firm believer in maintaining leverage in a relationship. When the woman has the leverage it just isn’t comfortable for me . I plan to stay single for so many reasons . This is just one to add to the list .
New subscriber. I've been happily married to a Thai for 29 years - I guess she is playing the long game. We do live in the UK though and she doesn't want to live in Thailand.
Marriage should br built on love, thrust, honesty and commitment, if only money forget it.
Built on thrust?!..I guess you have a point..
Never borrow somebody else's nose to breath.
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Good one! That's a saying worth remembering.
Love that!!
I am in a long term relationship with my Thai partner of 15 years. Initially yes there was some monetary contribution but I have explained to my Thai partner that I am not going to help the whole village. My partner understands my position and we are happy for the most of our 15 years together. I think if you show that your commitment is real and you’re in it for the long haul both of us have to stand together no matter who else is there in the family.
I have oft thought that marriage here in Thailand is pointless. The 'rewards' are not enough to justify the risk. There is no guaranteed right of abode or right to work as there would be in most countries. No right to raise your kids. And you still cannot buy land (easily). All the hassle and you still have to show 400k in the bank as opposed to 800k. So unless you really like cake and expensive parties - don't.
& that's expensive parties that you're paying for as well
Sounds like a better _breeding ground_ than a staying one.
The most beneficial life of a man with conviction in today's world is that of a _rolling stone_ , but you're going to have to deal with the confliction of being a _rolling stone_ if you have children. The downside.
Trying to be as self sufficient as possible is definitely a worthy goal. I have never liked anyone over me, thus have been self employed for many years and stayed single since my divorce. I always hated the reality that every morning I walked into paid employment that the employer had the power to completely change the course of my life in a heartbeat. Sound advice from this man.
Its easier to maintain a higher level of control/security when you hold the purse strings...
That's for sure 💯
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Better yet pick a better country and society. I was with a Thai woman for 18 years, married 12, 2 daughters that I have had full custody of since diapers. If there are any men reading this thinking about going to Thailand to find a spouse, think again. I will never return to this country or culture again.
Thanks for sharing 👍
it is true that you can’t bring out all your kids outside the country i watch one western woman lily who marry a thai man she only take one kids out of the country
You sound like a real man, taking your responsibilities seriously. If more men used their brains, they would learn from other men going through bad experiences. There is no fool like an old fool! A young handsome man would be less susceptible to being suckered into such a relationship but the old guys with money are an easy target. These women see them coming from afar. 🫣
I think the problem you had was getting married and having kids. I’m staying single and no kids, snipped. Great Thai girlfriend but if things change for her in the marriage department, I will be gone. Smiles
Good video. Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom. ...it is rare that people give this type of information from this country, so if we think deeper, we lose every time if we are in a conflict, and of course when we give too much trust to a lady from T...Good luck👍🏻
Thanks for your feedback 👍
My guy. Remember this old saying she is not yours it's just your turn. Whatever rough patch both of you are going threw don't work it out or even talking to her just let her know if you are not happy being here with me there's the door you can always leave and never come back. I bet you $10 she would shut the hell up and humble herself. Don't get married and don't attach yourself to one girl and always have an escape plan.
A secret tunnel? 😅
Love the expression. Its just your turn. So true. Do you feel women get bored then seek validation else where.
From my experience, I would never marry a person from that part of the world
The culture gap causes a lot of misunderstanding
I was married to a Japanese woman for twenty years, the culture gap is fun for a while but it does cause a chasm later on .
@@alphaomegadaily100%. From parents importance to simply asking and answering questions. They view it differently. Honesty isn’t as prioritized as it is in the west. A Thai would rather lie if she thinks you MIGHT misinterpret a situation, even though doing so risks creating a worse situation with a westerner
some time ago you spoke about the value of the support you get marrying into a Thai family, that it's an advantage versus those without. I guess the vulnerability is the flip side, at least if you're on the marriage visa. I enjoy your content, viewpoints and sage advice, thanks for sharing with us-
So true about being a foreigner and even if you’re in the right you don’t have a leg to stand on (in a traffic dispute for example) It’s the same where I am in North east Asia. I’ve had someone speed up when they saw me, as they were so certain it was their right of way (it wasn’t ), but they were confident if they knocked me over I would have been in the wrong, as the foreigner. I was a pedestrian 😂 but they still felt confident that if they knocked me over in their car, I’d be to blame - I wasn’t jaywalking, it was my right of way, but the stupid driver didn’t understand the rules of the road ( I have been a driver in this country for over 10 years, so I do know them)
Thanks for the video. Very helpful as always. I appreciate your sharing your long-term experience.
My pleasure!
You should probably change the title of this video to "You'll never marry ANY girl after watching this".
Ha ha ha.
why generalizing any lady? it's ridiculous
I am married to a Thai woman. I had a marriage visa. last year we almost divorced, so I changed my visa to an O visa to not get kicked out right away. We are back together but I don't want to go back to a marriage visa. Even if I could have access to 40 000 baths extra. When I was about to divorce I felt insecure. If she simply dies in a car crash, I have to leave ASAP. It's not the woman but Thai society that is like that.
NEVER BLAME OTHERS FOR YOUR OWN LACK OF RESEARCH BE PREPARED
Very interesting video. You're quite correct on the vunerability and dependency points that you raise but not EVERY woman can be tarred with the same brush. Almost everything is the fault of the 'farang' especially on the roads though and I absolutely agree with that. I find that learning and speaking some Thai is a massive help and you are shown must more respect IMHO but that takes time of course.
Thank you for your heartfelt words of wisdom!
Thank you for a great video !
You are spot on when you pointing out the vulnerable that many farangs found themselves in.
I am living with a Thai lady since 2019 and it’s the best thing ever happened to me.
She has a heart of gold, and we are very happy together.
I also got two wonderful 10:35 daughters as a bonus.
But when it comes to relationships we must be realistic, think’s can change, and you are in a foreign country witch automatically makes you more vulnerable.
Personally I would never expose myself to that.
I always want too live my life in a way that, if something bad happens I can be on the move in two hours.
I love my Thai family and I sure as hell don’t want to live them, but I think it’s good for them to understand the underlying conditions.
But we are all different and I fully respect others way too handling this difficulties.
Thanks for sharing it's nice to have a heartfelt honest discussion about this there's so many horror stories of when marriages go bad for foreigners married to Thai women love is a great thing but when it goes south it can be pretty vicious
Glad you enjoyed it!
I have been married to a Thai lady for 17 years.and I am still very very happy. I had cancer and had to go through twu major operations and spend a lot of time in hospital. I was then transferred to the cancer hospital in Chonburi,where I had fantastic treatment, and my Thai wife looked after me and made sure I had the best treatment. When I was so weak after surgery she did everything for me. I not only love my wife. I worship the ground she walks on.
Cool :)
Happy to hear your relationship is back on track for now and the situation has enlightened you to cover your a$$ in the future, for your future.
It is not safe to give up control of your life…. Thank you so much for this truth.
If you're over 50 you can easily get a retirement visa if you have the 800k. Not that big of a deal actually. Having a kid is the bigger problem in the case of divorce.
But the child may save your visa as stated in the video. Also later you can purchase land in your Thai child's name.
@@stevebomonster I know that already. If someone lost their marriage Visa with a Thai child involved they can get a visa based on guardianship of the child. It won't involve the amount of money required for a retirement visa.
@@stevebomonster ???
@@stevebomonster lol I already stated that. 👍
@@stevebomonster you should go back and read my comment after your first comment to me.
No need for marriage visa if your over 50, I’m married to a Thai, have been for 10 years but still maintain my retirement visa
If you want to be self sufficient & not feeling vulnerable, learn the language! You will not be denied anything by anybody & will get the utmost respect by everybody!
I think learning the language if you move to a foreign country is key to having control, you can do so much for yourself. I'm new over here but try to speak Thia whenever I can so I can educate myself and learn from mistakes. Even getting something from the local shop in rural Thailand give me a sense of control and achievement
not enough.
Like to know whats the best way to learn what I understand is a very difficult language?????
Good luck on the rebound and I'm guessing from watching your videos that you have the knowledge and determination to remain active in Thailand if things pan out alright.
I appreciate your honesty in such matters. God bless you 🙏💚🇮🇪
I appreciate that
Can’t you just keep the minimum required amount of money for a pensioner visa in the bank? That way your immigration status doesn’t depend on your wive’s actions.
You can rent a home, but you cannot buy there; she buys with your money, and title, which is all, makes it hers.
Even THAT is illegal, since she is a "nominee" for a foreigner in Thai Land Law. She may think she "owns" it, but it can be revoked (as illegal and registered in error) AT ANY TIME.
@@davidb2206you can recoup your money as long there is a financial trail as to where the money comes from ,IE bank transfers from your bank to her bank. Never withdraw cash unless it's for day to day expenses.
Thanks again and for being frank and vulnerable about a situation ehere you were obviously emotionally compromised and powerless, as you put it. We are guests and lucky to be so in a country with a vastly different culture. And Thailand is all about money. As is the UK and probably everywhere else. In Thailand westerners get away with spending less but its about money here. End of!
There was a bbc programme about Norwegian men marrying Thai women. The scheming that goes on behind the mens backs was reprehesible. It started with a man from Norway meeting and marrying a Thai woman and them settling in Norway. Soon this woman was settling his friends up with Thai wives aswell. She said they were all good women and not from the cities but they were all ex skeezers. The husbands were non the wiser.
Well, Well, Well, but According to MEN of this World; the "WORST" "CRAP" that happened to this WORLD; was Western Women. LOL, ha, ha, ha.
It's very sad for us retired men with stable income trying to find a companionship in our last days, months and years depending on a relationship based on money not genuinely on pure and real love. It sucks, now watching these video I gave up to go Thailand with 50 years old and I will live like that neurosurgeon who gave up everything to live with his dog doobie within the nature away from all sick and failed relationships with human beings in general.
Good advice for those watching.
I am heading over at the end of next year to Bangkok to retire with my Thai wife - my son will be doing his last 6 years of school at NIST and I decided I would go there on a guardian visa when I was getting it organised, for the reason you have said. If I want to stay after that & my son does then I will probably get a privilege visa that allows children to stay also.
For the same reason I will be renting a condo near the school for us, even though my wife wanted to buy a house that she saw nearby, I want to keep that control (also the market there is nothing I want to invest in).
My wife & I have been married 20yrs & have a great relationship, but I have always believed that when there is a one sided power dynamic it is bad for both of the people & the relationship.
Don't bring all your money into Thailand and never sell your property and send all the money to Thailand. If you divorce, you can convert your marriage visa to a retirement visa.
Female nature globally is identical. Boy meets girl. Gladly sacrifices his all for her security. Girl surveys the market after secure. Finds a smarter, wealthier and better looking stud. You lose house, furnishings, children and years lost while pleasing her. Gentlemen, look out for #1
My view on marriage in general has changed the older I’ve gotten (I’m 24 rn). I grew up in a more traditional household, both parents worked but other trad values were there. That caused me to want to get married and think good things about it. But as I’ve gotten older I just see more cons than pros, and it’s really been a back and fourth in my head about it. Logically, ik it’s in my best interest to not get married and if I do I’m extremely vulnerable and it’s kinda a time bomb in a way, but thinking differently I want marriage. I think it’s more for the fact of a partner and the emotional side of it. I know many people only see the wedding and the “good” stuff about it, and I know the statistics about marriages which makes me hesitant. Generally I don’t think marrying a western woman is a good idea right now, there’s always exceptions to the rule tho. lol the passport bros joke seems less and less like a joke as time goes on tho😂
I REALLY appreciate your being so vulnerable with us in telling your story. You are honest and articulate. It is indeed a word to the wise to be aware, as much as possible, of the consequences of your behaviors and decisions. And you have broadened your audience's relative knowledge of the consequences of being a foreigner living in Thailand. You do it with your every video which is why I like you. We will, however, forever be vulnerable to the known and unknown outcomes for every decision we make. Being aware that our very nature is "vulnerability" and tolerance of the distress that may come with that - easier said than done - is what can lead to the peaceful acceptance of any outcome encountered and the way through it. This is the Buddha's path. But please know, "I like your path too! Very much! Honest awareness of various perspectives!" You inform me, my friend. 😉🙏
Re: 7 days to leave the country. I discussed this point some time ago with a senior official in the Ministry of Immigration. In the event you’re married to a Thai and your Thai spouse passes away, you are allowed to apply for a new non-spousal visa-a standard non-immigrant retirement or non-immigrant “O” visa-provided you meet the visa provisions. You are granted an extension (permission to stay in the Kingdom) while your visa application is being processed.
This happens with many married couples. One has their duties in the household and the other has different duties. If one partner passes away then the remaining ones needs to take up the other duties and that will take some time to adjust to.
Good advice my friend. I live in Bangkok alone & im fortunate to have the TB80,000 + per month passive income and I'm on a retirement visa .
Stay single in Bangkok !
Good on ya. Ya made life different for yourself. Keep great!
Cheers mate!
For the first time listening to several “bloggers”, I am emphatic with this gentleman man - and she knows that - don’t do it fellas- men, especially foreigners, pay very close attention - Good luck- I fear there’s more to come sirs!
When U married a Thai girl U married the whole family what a deal
If over 50, just get a retirement visa. And if you do not have a monthly income/pension of at least 65,000 THB (or can't keep 800,000 THB in a Thai bank account) then you probably shouldn't be in a far off land. I would feel vulnerable too.
Most Western men are emotional children. They are easily talked into buying real property and a new car in their wife's/gf's name, and when the relationship ends, they are high and dry as you say. Of course, support your wife or gf, but don't give them anything so substantial that you will miss it if your relationship collapses.
What’s the saying 🤔
Don’t invest more than your willing to loose
@@singas2854Exactly. And Western men lose all common sense when they arrive at the airport in Bangkok.
@@guymandudely324 they are not men
Men have self respect and value
@@guymandudely324 There's something in the air in Thailand...gotta be. I've seen foreign adults do pretty stupid stuff to themselves in this country.
@@molonlabe9602 Yes, it's called 'letting the small head do the thinking for the big head.'
Been in Thailand for 8 year and never considered marrying a Thai woman unless she has lived in another country. In my years I have only met 2 who have actually lived in a foreign country.
Love your honesty 🤷♀️
Thank you
Thank you this is so informative. Im in Thailand now on a long trip with plans to live here very shortly. Im a single guy and always will be. I love the line similar to': "you can command your lifestyle". I've had Thai women talk about marriage within an hour or two of meeting me and there's a bar girl i fancy who wants to talk about what it costs to buy her out snd keep her. She's gorgeous but where's the future in that.? Plus I'd be taking her away from her source of income...i have words with myself very often - stay single!
About a divorce with a Thai .If you do not co-operate it will take her a year to get one .Thats my experience .I broke up with the Thai wife ,but i left the Country anyway as i had at the same time run out of money .I did not co-operate with the divorce and she had to wait a full year to get one .
After I got divorced I just waited until 45 days before my marriage visa expires. Then collected all paperwork for a retirement visa. Then I just applied for a retirement visa and no issues.
Exactly. It really is not an issue, you can apply for other visas as well, and you are allowed to stay while the application is processed.
To Westerners it is illogical ,
Thanks for the video, I really enjoyed what you had to say. I live in Colombia and it's the same thing. Someone can stay here on a marriage visa for one year. Imagine being on the hook with your honey every year to live here. Then, if you buy property together she's entitled to half if divorced. Also, if she moves into a place, that you already own ,and then you get married and then divorced, she's entitled to half of the capital gains that the property made since the marriage. Poverty is rampant here so many women would be happy to get married, get divorced, and have money that would take them years to make. Also, for about $200 U.S. they can have someone killed so she would get it all. Who knows what they're plotting and planning, behind someone's back, with their family or secret lover.
It's similar in Thailand, but when a couple get married here, all the property of the marriage is split 50/50
Very valuable words for ALL men anywhere on the planet.
Marriage to ANY female gives her the power and leverage, and compromises your freedom.
Is marriage worth the price, gentlemen?
Is marriage worth the price, gentlemen? NO
I think if you want to have a family with children marriage is the way to go. But you have to be vigilant and strong and make sure that your woman understands your position. Unfortunately in the west that is no longer possible with many women. And moving to another country to do that where you are not valued is not a good way to go about it either. I don't know what the right answer is but if I was 20 again I would wait until I was 40 then go to Southeast Asia find the bride bring her back to the US and then ultimately somewhere where we could retire together. I would make sure that she was not influence by the feminist movement in the US as much as possible and when I saw red flags I would move.. I would protect my assets and not give her a reason to try to file for divorce, while still being the man in the relationship and in charge. Yeah that sounds like an impossible thing but it's not I just wasn't able to do it.
@@RobFomenko so all that being said ( and I don’t disagree), is the juice worth the squeeze?
@@richardclausen154Richard I would say at this point in my life that no it was not.
But it depends on which measurement you use. I do have two grown children that are men now. And that is an accomplishment. But do I look back on my life and think yeah that was worth it? No.
Life is what you make it, they say but it's also pretty random. Better to just be okay with who you are in the present moment. And for that I need to be autonomous. And I can't be that in a relationship.
@@RobFomenko thanks for that. At 65, I have my two daughters I raised and my grandchildren and a career that I fully enjoy. I have all the relationships I need and also have the quality of life that brings me much peace and fulfillment in my life. Thank you for sharing and may life continue to treat you well.
There's no requirement to change from a Non immigrant O visa due to retirement ("retirement visa") to a Non-immigrant O visa due to marriage ("spousal visa") if you get married. If you get divorced and you qualify for a "retirement visa" you can change to a Non immigrant O visa due to retirement. If you get divorced your current visa is valid until its expiry date. The monthly income requirement for a retirement visa is Bt65,000 per month + Bt800,000 security deposit. This is a bit alarmist by someone who doesn't fully understand the visa requirements. Relax :)
Thanks for your perspective on this issue. Your content is very helpful. Keep sharing!