A's fans are correct about Manfraud. That protest at Pac Bell park was excellent as well. The Howard Terminal Stadium is much nicer, in an area with great weather with real fans. Sell the team Fisher.
@@everetteugene676 Howard Terminal has a charm, it's iconic just to look at it, it's a trademark, it's like Fenway Park. I'm not even a huge baseball fan and I saw the picture and fell in love. I did not like the Forest Green Rovers project, that is, it lacks power,
@@everetteugene676 The weather in Vegas is hell? I guess you been missing the part for months, where the A’s plan to put a roof on the stadium. Call me crazy, who gives a bleep, that Vegas is hot, if you’ll be watching baseball inside a dome that it’ll likely be 70 to 75 degrees in. I’m just saying.
My daddy was a Philadelphia Athletics fan. I remember going on trips to Oakland to watch A's games with him. ...saw Ricky Henderson and Mark McGuire play.
@@XaviRonaldo0 expect more I think more delays on build this thing. Plus the opposition, there are trying to get a memorandum start so they can get public funds on the ballot in Clark county and the Dead line for that is February of 2024. And the budget for this nine acre ballpark to build. And heading there own people say that they have to be creative on the design shows right there this thing is going over budget. And that could also cause a problem
A retractable roof is still a good call IMO. Gotta remember that other events will be hosted here outside of baseball season when the weather is much nicer.
It's consistently in the 60s and 70s in Oakland right now. Absolutely perfect baseball weather. Meanwhile they're trying to engineer a biodome in Las Vegas that humans can inhabit to play and watch baseball. It's so incredibly stupid, and you just have to hope that somebody with intelligence the ability and courage to stand up and stop this nonsense. It's not going to be John Fisher, and probably not Manfred either.
They're likely not even going to go to Vegas. I give it a 30% chance. A petition to force the state to put the stadium on the ballot in November is going to get enough signatures, and polls have shown that the general public of Nevada either don't want a tax funded stadium at all or that they want nothing to do with the A's. Fisher is either going to have to come crying back to Oakland or sell the team.
The problem with the stadium 51 design is there is no view of the Strip. If you build a ballpark on the Strip in that location, there needs to be views, I think it would be a must.
Based on the renders, that Area 51 stadium is way too big for the 9 acres they have. Their stadium needs to fit on the south east quarter of the Tropicana lot, the other 3/4 of the lot will be developed into a new hotel and casino. It looks like the Area 51 design would take up the nearly the entire lot, so completely unworkable. Their stadium is going to need to have Wrigley Field like dimensions to fit.
John Fisher is the worst owner in sports now that Dan Snyder is gone. Dude is totally clueless. 90% of the footwork was done in Oakland and he schedules a meeting to bridge the final $350M gap and he pulls the rug out by signing a "binding agreement" in Vegas a few days before the meeting while not asking Vegas for hardly any of the stuff he was demanding that Oakland do. This entire thing stinks to high heaven. Since then they've torn up one agreement to sign another "binding agreement", they've changed designs, now they're changing the capacity, they've gutted the team in Oakland. I can't believe Rob Manfred is putting up with this incompetence.
Excuse me. The Mayor of Oakland stopped the negotiations. Go look at her statement. Then after she stopped negotiations, she did absolutely NOTHING to try to get the A's back. Fisher is a skunk but the blame rests with the City of Oakland who tossed the A's term sheet in the garbage bin last year and voted on their own. THAT was the point the A's got serious about moving. Oakland said to the A's "our way or the highway". If Oakland had approved or at least even debated the A's terms, the A's would be staying in Oakland right now. Sorry, but that's the truth.
Since we're going back and reading statements, let's clear one thing up...the mayor pulled out of the negotiations AFTER she got a call from Dave Kaval saying that they signed an agreement in Las Vegas in the middle of the negotiations that were going on. That move was shady as all hell...so please don't try and make it seem like the mayor just randomly decided to pull out of the negotiations as that is NOT what happened at all. As for the term sheet, it was all still being negotiated and its the A's that were basically saying here is what it's gonna be and if you don't like it, too bad...so the city pushed back, as they should...it's called negotiating. But you folks in Vegas (or where ever you are) keep believing and spreading the lies about what you obviously know little about...we here who live in Oakland and are actually seeing it play out will gladly inform you with the truth if you are ever actually open to hearing it.
That “Area 51” retractable dome stadium is ugly as hell. It looks like Tropicana Field Part 2. It absolutely almost never rains in Las Vegas. Yes, it gets hot, but do something with an open-air top with some retractable shading for areas that get sun. Most games are probably gonna be night games anyway. These retractable domes are getting out of control. Many ballparks that have them don’t even need them. It’s just become a trend.
I wonder when fisher and the A’s fail here which is guaranteed will people start seeing fisher and Kaval for who they are…… or Continue to suck their boots hoping for a crumb of attention? Vegas has no idea who they are working with and are so desperate for attention themselves - they will say yes to anything - if they don’t…. The town dies.
Stadium 51 is the best ballpark design I've seen so far. Add a retractable roof with a picture changing LED screen built into it like the Sphere Concert Area that just opened would be awesome.
Tell me you don’t know how big 9 acres is without telling me you don’t know how big 9 acres is. Dude the renderings for stadium 51 take up more space than the A’s originally renderings, but the A’s only get a corner of the entire lot. A stadium will get done there but there will also be a hotel and a casino cause those make a shit ton more money here than the stadium ever could and you aren’t giving up prime real casino real estate for a stadium taking up the whole lot.
I'm shocked, shocked that the A's want to spend time thinking about how they are going to spend $1.5B on a new stadium that they will be paying on for at least 30 more years. What gives with these people?
It’s messy, Against the public majority wishes, and let me ask you again…… Where’s the fan club trying to bring the A’s in? Where’s the interest for season ticket holders? I have yet to hear anything but Kaval bots and Oakland haters say they want this…..
This can not fit on 9 acres. The A's are NOT coming to Vegas. This is all a show for John Fisher to get money. MLB knows this whole deal is BAD for baseball. I deal will be struck to keep the A's in Oakland. MLB will not give up the NCAL media market for Vegas.
What MLB should be doing is forcing John Fisher, the worst owner in baseball & has ran team into the ground over 2 decades, to sell the A's to Oakland investors who will keep them in Oakland & build at Howard Terminal. No sane person in Vegas wants the A's, they want an expansion team. #FisherOut #Sell #VegasBeware
Oh boy! Luckily for me I live in Vegas and I’m totally sane. Let me make it crystal clear I want the A’s in Vegas over expansion, there are a few good reasons for that, but the biggest reason is I know expansion financially would cost Las Vegas more money, it ain’t even funny. Thank goodness I have enough of a brain to know that and most importantly Fisher knows that.
@@scotttild what kind of comment is that dude? It’s not like Las Vegas is an monarchy government. There’s are many reasons why Nevada is strict on my water, let’s see more Californians are moving here yearly, using our water, combined Las Vegas has never had 11 inches of precipitation ever. There’s a good reason why Nevada does what they do, we ain’t like your Oakland leadership.
Bally's has already announced that if the design of the stadium needs more than 9 acres, the A's can have it. The two are designing their facilities in tandem. Ballys loves the idea of a sports theme hotel on the Strip with an MLB playing in their front yard.
@@darryljorden9177 Bally's parent company has clarified that it's a 9 acre ballpark. They have no idea where the rumors that more acres could suddenly be made available are coming from.
Considering the attendance issues in Oakland over the years and the allure of Las Vegas, a vote to allow relocation seems highly likely. But what happened today seals the deal. The massive fire and the noxious fumes at Howard Terminal has to rule out that site out for MLB. This was not the first such event and people throughout Alameda and Contra Costa Counties are advised to be careful. If that kind of event happened with thousands of fans nearby, the legal jeopardy of MLB would be extreme. MLB and any team would be held to account for selecting a site with its history. Happening today makes the issue of an industrial park front and center.
As I understand it, Ben Garcia (designer of Stadium 51 concept) was put into contact with Dave Kaval many months ago (end of 2022 or early 2023). I don't know if they have had any serious conversations with each other, but they have been introduced.
Ballys agreed to give the A's an extra 4 acres if needed. The agreement is in the language of the deal. But positive things make for difficulty to craft narratives lol.
@@SergioFernandez-cj4mt COO of Bally's parent company basically just came out and said he doesn't know where the rumors about extra space are coming from. He said they're working with 9 acres.
MUST have a retractable stadium in Las Vegas heat. However, a retractable stadium won't fit on only 9 acres. Also, Fisher doesn't have the money. Maybe they can take more money from Vegas schools.
What is that bizarre road that runs behind home plate? Looks like a sidewalk and road for catchers to roll their ankles when they try to catch foul balls
They can't, they were given the south east corner of the Tropicana lot, the new hotel and casino built on the rest of the lot will be between the stadium and the strip.
@@recurrenTopology Not necessarily the case. We don't know the location of the new hotel tower(s) and if they will impact the view. They could be off to the sides, allowing an unobstructed view of the Strip.
@@Sports-NV Having a hard time imagining how that would work geometrically. A baseball field has roughly a 90 degree view angle, and given the small square footprint they have, that means the view will need to be centered on one of the four ordinal directions (NW, NE, SW, SE). NE and SE look away from the strip. SW would look at the very south end of the strip, so just Luxor and Mandalay Vay. NW looks towards the strip but diagonally across the rest of the property, so some major obstructions of the view are unavoidable. The other issue with westward orientations is batters staring into the setting sun, so both of those directions would probably require the roof to be closed during afternoon and evening games before sunset.
@@recurrenTopology We'll just have to wait and see. One possibility that might open things up a bit is if the corner of of the 9+ acre footprint can be moved in versus anchored exactly at the corner. Given that Bally's has expressed flexibility and the A's have excellent design teams involved, I think they will come up with an acceptable solution. Anyway, at this point I don't think the issue is of great concern to most locals. And as it won't influence any relocation decision, it shouldn't matter to those in the Bay Area either. Although I know that some in the Bay Area are obsessing and outraged about every aspect of the whole thing.
@@Sports-NV I'm a Dodgers fan living in Seattle, so I don't much care either way, just kinda interested in what seems like a difficult design problem. From a broader perspective I wish cities would stop letting themselves get played off each other to hand money to billionaires, but LV is by no means unique in that regard. Was happy my home metro area held out so long with the NFL, eventually forcing Kroenke to privately finance SoFi.
Nobody knows what the owners and Manfred are really thinking! Manfred cares about money not approval ratings! A beautiful park in Oakland and Vegas is what I think they really want
I really don't have any problem with the A's moving to Las Vegas. Just build the stadium somewhere else off the strip so the little local mom and pop business could benefit. Plus do we really need a baseball stadium on the strip.
It doesn’t look like Ben Garcia will be a part of the three architects involved who are competing to come up with the A’s future renderings. Strike Ballpark 51.
Nine acres. The site is too small. This is all about how many seats are they going to sacrifice to retain a retractable roof.The Stadium 51 concept is hideous.
Is this Stadium 51 plan done by a company that the A's are considering, and are considering going with the Stadium 51 plan? or Is this plan just done by some random architect, and you like the design, but the A's aren't considering it, and/or don't even know about it...
I think the overall stadium design at the Oakland shipyards was awesome. I live in LV and our hearts are on the Vegas Golden Knights and the LV aces bc of their blue collar image yet they are champions! The VGK owner used all his money to get VGK going. The A's owner is a billionaire yet he seeks public funding? He better hope his team becomes a winner or they wont last here in LV where there is so much to do besides go to a game.
MLB insists some public money must be spent on new stadium projects. They feel they need the community to be part of the project. Fisher is investing $1.1B. Ballys about $500M in cash and land. The State and County $380M maximum (estimated at $350M), paid for over 30 years by taxes from the stadium and naming rights, which will probably pay $50M over 30 years. But who owns the stadium? Well, Fisher owns nothing but his team which is stuck there 30 years. The County owns the Stadium and Ballys still owns the land. If the A's move in the next 30 years they have to pay every cent back going back to day one while the County keeps the stadium paid for 100% from the A's. Its a poison pill. And like Allegiant, LVCVA will put other events in there which go back into the general tax fund. Its what makes Allegiant a money maker despite the $750M investment.
@@scotttild WRONG. 1) yes with Covid they dipped in because by law there were no or few fans allowed. 2) However, faster than anyone believed, they have almost made up every bit of it. Allegiant stadium is a HUGE success which is why the NV legislature went for the A's deal.
Really the main reason he's so desperate to move to LV is to stay on revenue sharing. He pockets most of that and has never really invested in the team. He took over a fine organization 18 years ago (playing well, drawing about 27k/game which is middle of the pack and normal for a secondary team in a big market) and has essentially decimated the franchise over that time. They have had some strong years on the field despite his lack of investment, but it was always known that the other shoe would drop and all the players the fans were rooting for and becoming invested in would be long gone before they had to sign a contract. If this move happens, I'm sure things will start out hot and slowly fizzle. They'll be like the Marlins or the Rays west. And then in 30 years, John Fisher's next closest heir will start extorting NV for more money or move the team to SLC or Omaha or something like that.
$380m, estimated at $350m...LOLOLOLOL. $380m is really the minimum for anybody who knows how these things go...especially with the incompetent A's ownership. It will almost assuredly be more. And of course if it doesn't deliver on ridiculous projections that a fake economist hired by the A's gave to the legislature, they will have to reach into the property taxes of Las Vegas residents...many of whom specifically moved to LV for the cost of living. It's a complete mess. Fisher is not investing $1.1b either....god that is hilarious.
Arizona's roof is open close to 40-45% of the season because it's a dry climate. It's the same as Vegas. Texas and Florida are heavier on humidity so the roofs are closed most of the time. I say go with the retractable roof
They need to totally rebrand too. I'm normally strongly in favour retaining anything old, but the Athletics name, and colours, fit some east coast blue collar town, not the vice pit of Vegas. Everything about them is absurdly out of whack with Vegas. They should go black and silver like the Raiders and call themselves the Bandits "B's" or something.
Lakers and Dodgers doesn’t make sense in LA, but that seems to have worked out well for them. The A’s name ties them to a lot of history going back to 1901, one which includes 14 Pennants, and 9 World Series titles. I doubt that they’ll want to disassociate themselves from their storied history with such a drastic rebranding.
Let's just stop it with this Las Vegas deserves and get a baseball team byway of the A's. Two small of a market. Vegas does have the density, but it is a two major sport's town.
Excellent video. I think most people knew the original images were just for show and did not represent anything accurate. I had seen the Stadium 51 design and agree that it holds promise. I think the two teams the A's have hired in a competition will also look at the design and use or adopt what they consider best. The reporting by some that the A's will not have a design team until November is inaccurate. That suggests nothing is being done today. In fact, they have two design teams today and will have one chosen in November. I don't think the organized Oakland fan activity will have any impact at all. But if it did, I suspect it would be the opposite of what they intended. The Commissioner and other owners know that if fans can try to bully one team, they could do the same with another. You correctly point out that every project has its challenges, but provide a balanced picture versus some other video creators from the Bay Area that are nothing but negativity. While their motives are clear, that doesn't take away from the fact that they have been steadily losing credibility as discussed in several Facebook groups. Good luck with your channel. From your other video, I know you are exploring additional options for growth.
Fans bully a team? It seems to me that the team is an entertainment industry and if they want to survive they need to give the fans what they want. Much like what happened to Bud Light, these businesses better start remembering who they need to survive.
@@robertpuffer9721 I said "try to bully a team". But I agree with you in that a team needs to give fans what they want. But that assumes the market allows that. From 1968 to 2022, a 54 year period, the A's attendance has been consistently below American League averages, except for 9 years. That suggests that today's excuses, the owner, team performance, stadium condition don't explain or excuse what has happened historically.
@@Sports-NVall of your comments are disingenuous and just wrong…. The fan base was the only good thing about the A’s since wolf and fisher took over with a sprinkle of great players we We’re blessed with only for them to be traded away. It’s ok if your not educated enough to see the bad deal in front of you…. Just remember keep that same energy when fisher tanks your team on purpose… you better keep showing up. My guess if they move - by year 5 the new wears off - traveling fans are over it and locals won’t fill seats for a team they never wanted… We’re seeing the raiders doing it now and they carry a much bigger brand…..
@@stefanbrown5872 The Baseball Almanac is the source for my statement about the period from 1968 to 2022. As far as the predictions, many marketing and stadium financing experts predict a success. And the Raiders have had the largest ticket revenue of every NFL team. Most of the experts have advanced degrees, so you have absolutely nothing to talk about, since you're always discussing education.
@@Sports-NV well paid scientist is a song you should listen to. All the numbers look good if you say it enough and the unions are behind it right? Lol A’s attendance when considering great ownership has been average to above… When you consider bad ownership and what they have done - I’m guessing that’s a nuance you aren’t paying attention to. When all you look at is ticket sales in a new stadium and not look at the makeup of fans or those attending - your being willfully ignorant….. Of course ticket sales are good…. It’s new…. That’s gonna wear off sooner than later with a losing team like the raiders…. The fandom itself which is the most important piece is faltering and out numbered. If all your looking for is a quick buck - you can spin success anyway you want…. No matter how Ill placed it is. Don’t worry about my education - you should be worried about your service industry degrees and unlv haha. You ever actually read the reviews of what a scam college they is and yet Vegas hangs heavily on it haha. You too can be a concierge professional!
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A's fans are correct about Manfraud. That protest at Pac Bell park was excellent as well.
The Howard Terminal Stadium is much nicer, in an area with great weather with real fans.
Sell the team Fisher.
The weather in Las Vegas is hell and nearly perfect in Oakland.
@@everetteugene676 Howard Terminal has a charm, it's iconic just to look at it, it's a trademark, it's like Fenway Park. I'm not even a huge baseball fan and I saw the picture and fell in love.
I did not like the Forest Green Rovers project, that is, it lacks power,
@@lamanodeyoutubedeyoutube5754forest green rovers?
@@everetteugene676
The weather in Vegas is hell?
I guess you been missing the part for months, where the A’s plan to put a roof on the stadium.
Call me crazy, who gives a bleep, that Vegas is hot, if you’ll be watching baseball inside a dome that it’ll likely be 70 to 75 degrees in.
I’m just saying.
@@adanalyst6925 Yes, a good project but it does not generate confidence in a complete Wooden Stadium
My daddy was a Philadelphia Athletics fan. I remember going on trips to Oakland to watch A's games with him. ...saw Ricky Henderson and Mark McGuire play.
I keep saying the Athletics should return to Philly.
Agreed!!! Philadelphia Athletics 1910 champions
I get the feeling this is about to turn into a mess
Hopefully they can stay in Oakland
It was already a mess. It's gonna be a full on cluster
This shit is not going to work
Do you expect anything else?
@@XaviRonaldo0 expect more I think more delays on build this thing. Plus the opposition, there are trying to get a memorandum start so they can get public funds on the ballot in Clark county and the Dead line for that is February of 2024. And the budget for this nine acre ballpark to build. And heading there own people say that they have to be creative on the design shows right there this thing is going over budget. And that could also cause a problem
A retractable roof is still a good call IMO. Gotta remember that other events will be hosted here outside of baseball season when the weather is much nicer.
Add to the fact that the Raiders’ stadium is enclosed.
And will be hosting next year’s Super Bowl
No no no... The A's belong in Oakland on the water at Howard Terminal. This design would be good for a Las Vegas expansion team.
It's consistently in the 60s and 70s in Oakland right now. Absolutely perfect baseball weather. Meanwhile they're trying to engineer a biodome in Las Vegas that humans can inhabit to play and watch baseball. It's so incredibly stupid, and you just have to hope that somebody with intelligence the ability and courage to stand up and stop this nonsense. It's not going to be John Fisher, and probably not Manfred either.
Keep A's in Oakland. Sell the A's
Hopefully the A’S stay in Oakland
That’s pretty much out of the question, especially with Oakland refusing to pay for a new stadium to replace the coliseum. Which is beyond obsolete
They're likely not even going to go to Vegas. I give it a 30% chance. A petition to force the state to put the stadium on the ballot in November is going to get enough signatures, and polls have shown that the general public of Nevada either don't want a tax funded stadium at all or that they want nothing to do with the A's. Fisher is either going to have to come crying back to Oakland or sell the team.
I’m so glad this is Las Vegas’ problem now. They must be so happy they welcomed John Fisher!
And another terrible owner in Mark Davis
The problem with the stadium 51 design is there is no view of the Strip. If you build a ballpark on the Strip in that location, there needs to be views, I think it would be a must.
Based on the renders, that Area 51 stadium is way too big for the 9 acres they have. Their stadium needs to fit on the south east quarter of the Tropicana lot, the other 3/4 of the lot will be developed into a new hotel and casino. It looks like the Area 51 design would take up the nearly the entire lot, so completely unworkable. Their stadium is going to need to have Wrigley Field like dimensions to fit.
I'd hate to be in the upper deck down the lines. You'd be real far from the action.
FYI, I introduced Ben Garcia to Dave Kaval back in late January of 2022.
John Fisher is the worst owner in sports now that Dan Snyder is gone. Dude is totally clueless. 90% of the footwork was done in Oakland and he schedules a meeting to bridge the final $350M gap and he pulls the rug out by signing a "binding agreement" in Vegas a few days before the meeting while not asking Vegas for hardly any of the stuff he was demanding that Oakland do. This entire thing stinks to high heaven. Since then they've torn up one agreement to sign another "binding agreement", they've changed designs, now they're changing the capacity, they've gutted the team in Oakland. I can't believe Rob Manfred is putting up with this incompetence.
Excuse me. The Mayor of Oakland stopped the negotiations. Go look at her statement. Then after she stopped negotiations, she did absolutely NOTHING to try to get the A's back. Fisher is a skunk but the blame rests with the City of Oakland who tossed the A's term sheet in the garbage bin last year and voted on their own. THAT was the point the A's got serious about moving. Oakland said to the A's "our way or the highway". If Oakland had approved or at least even debated the A's terms, the A's would be staying in Oakland right now. Sorry, but that's the truth.
Even the Raiders and Warriors left. That should tell you something.
Since we're going back and reading statements, let's clear one thing up...the mayor pulled out of the negotiations AFTER she got a call from Dave Kaval saying that they signed an agreement in Las Vegas in the middle of the negotiations that were going on. That move was shady as all hell...so please don't try and make it seem like the mayor just randomly decided to pull out of the negotiations as that is NOT what happened at all. As for the term sheet, it was all still being negotiated and its the A's that were basically saying here is what it's gonna be and if you don't like it, too bad...so the city pushed back, as they should...it's called negotiating. But you folks in Vegas (or where ever you are) keep believing and spreading the lies about what you obviously know little about...we here who live in Oakland and are actually seeing it play out will gladly inform you with the truth if you are ever actually open to hearing it.
@@fernandobriseno4412 Just because you choose to live in that modern day dystopia of a city doesn't mean others have to be forced to endure it.
MLB needs to vote soon and put the issue to rest.
That “Area 51” retractable dome stadium is ugly as hell. It looks like Tropicana Field Part 2.
It absolutely almost never rains in Las Vegas. Yes, it gets hot, but do something with an open-air top with some retractable shading for areas that get sun.
Most games are probably gonna be night games anyway. These retractable domes are getting out of control.
Many ballparks that have them don’t even need them. It’s just become a trend.
I wonder when fisher and the A’s fail here which is guaranteed will people start seeing fisher and Kaval for who they are…… or Continue to suck their boots hoping for a crumb of attention?
Vegas has no idea who they are working with and are so desperate for attention themselves - they will say yes to anything - if they don’t…. The town dies.
Stadium 51 is the best ballpark design I've seen so far. Add a retractable roof with a picture changing LED screen built into it like the Sphere Concert Area that just opened would be awesome.
Tell me you don’t know how big 9 acres is without telling me you don’t know how big 9 acres is. Dude the renderings for stadium 51 take up more space than the A’s originally renderings, but the A’s only get a corner of the entire lot. A stadium will get done there but there will also be a hotel and a casino cause those make a shit ton more money here than the stadium ever could and you aren’t giving up prime real casino real estate for a stadium taking up the whole lot.
#stayinOakland #OAKtogether
I'm shocked, shocked that the A's want to spend time thinking about how they are going to spend $1.5B on a new stadium that they will be paying on for at least 30 more years. What gives with these people?
It’s messy, Against the public majority wishes, and let me ask you again……
Where’s the fan club trying to bring the A’s in? Where’s the interest for season ticket holders?
I have yet to hear anything but Kaval bots and Oakland haters say they want this…..
@@stefanbrown5872 right here … most of the Raiders and Knights season ticket holders are ready to purchase… including me!!
Love the architect/engineering content!
This can not fit on 9 acres. The A's are NOT coming to Vegas. This is all a show for John Fisher to get money. MLB knows this whole deal is BAD for baseball. I deal will be struck to keep the A's in Oakland. MLB will not give up the NCAL media market for Vegas.
What MLB should be doing is forcing John Fisher, the worst owner in baseball & has ran team into the ground over 2 decades, to sell the A's to Oakland investors who will keep them in Oakland & build at Howard Terminal.
No sane person in Vegas wants the A's, they want an expansion team.
#FisherOut #Sell #VegasBeware
Oh boy!
Luckily for me I live in Vegas and I’m totally sane.
Let me make it crystal clear I want the A’s in Vegas over expansion, there are a few good reasons for that, but the biggest reason is I know expansion financially would cost Las Vegas more money, it ain’t even funny.
Thank goodness I have enough of a brain to know that and most importantly Fisher knows that.
@@scotttild what kind of comment is that dude?
It’s not like Las Vegas is an monarchy government.
There’s are many reasons why Nevada is strict on my water, let’s see more Californians are moving here yearly, using our water, combined Las Vegas has never had 11 inches of precipitation ever.
There’s a good reason why Nevada does what they do, we ain’t like your Oakland leadership.
Uh, that proposal is too big for the land being offered by Bally's. Maybe it would work if they return to the previously proposed location.
Bally's has already announced that if the design of the stadium needs more than 9 acres, the A's can have it. The two are designing their facilities in tandem. Ballys loves the idea of a sports theme hotel on the Strip with an MLB playing in their front yard.
Then what was the point of even announcing the offer of just 9 acres? Everything about this project seems disingenuous.@@tqmeone
@@darryljorden9177 Bally's parent company has clarified that it's a 9 acre ballpark. They have no idea where the rumors that more acres could suddenly be made available are coming from.
Considering the attendance issues in Oakland over the years and the allure of Las Vegas, a vote to allow relocation seems highly likely. But what happened today seals the deal. The massive fire and the noxious fumes at Howard Terminal has to rule out that site out for MLB. This was not the first such event and people throughout Alameda and Contra Costa Counties are advised to be careful. If that kind of event happened with thousands of fans nearby, the legal jeopardy of MLB would be extreme. MLB and any team would be held to account for selecting a site with its history. Happening today makes the issue of an industrial park front and center.
As I understand it, Ben Garcia (designer of Stadium 51 concept) was put into contact with Dave Kaval many months ago (end of 2022 or early 2023). I don't know if they have had any serious conversations with each other, but they have been introduced.
The royals have a hard schedule along with the team being not good
Time to get ready to create the 'welcome back committee' for Fisher and the A's to Oakland!
never... it will be the Las Vegas A's and if not it will never be the Oakland A's
Moving to Las Vegas from Minnesota in Aug. Love that design of stadium 51
Jesus man, a rendering from a random dude on the internet isn't even close to how these things work.
Problem is they are only on 9 acres, smallest footprint for a MLB stadium. Let alone with a retractable roof. Good 👍 luck A’s
Ballys agreed to give the A's an extra 4 acres if needed. The agreement is in the language of the deal. But positive things make for difficulty to craft narratives lol.
@@jlopez8719 glad to hear that, not something that’s been talked about.
@@SergioFernandez-cj4mt COO of Bally's parent company basically just came out and said he doesn't know where the rumors about extra space are coming from. He said they're working with 9 acres.
MUST have a retractable stadium in Las Vegas heat. However, a retractable stadium won't fit on only 9 acres. Also, Fisher doesn't have the money. Maybe they can take more money from Vegas schools.
Sounds like a bait and switch to get public money.
More like good marketing.
What is that bizarre road that runs behind home plate? Looks like a sidewalk and road for catchers to roll their ankles when they try to catch foul balls
Sell the team !! Keep them in Oakland
Montreal should look into a retractable roof design like that one for Vegas
I hope they incorporate the view of the skyline on the strip, would be cool to see
They can't, they were given the south east corner of the Tropicana lot, the new hotel and casino built on the rest of the lot will be between the stadium and the strip.
@@recurrenTopology Not necessarily the case. We don't know the location of the new hotel tower(s) and if they will impact the view. They could be off to the sides, allowing an unobstructed view of the Strip.
@@Sports-NV Having a hard time imagining how that would work geometrically. A baseball field has roughly a 90 degree view angle, and given the small square footprint they have, that means the view will need to be centered on one of the four ordinal directions (NW, NE, SW, SE). NE and SE look away from the strip. SW would look at the very south end of the strip, so just Luxor and Mandalay Vay. NW looks towards the strip but diagonally across the rest of the property, so some major obstructions of the view are unavoidable. The other issue with westward orientations is batters staring into the setting sun, so both of those directions would probably require the roof to be closed during afternoon and evening games before sunset.
@@recurrenTopology We'll just have to wait and see. One possibility that might open things up a bit is if the corner of of the 9+ acre footprint can be moved in versus anchored exactly at the corner. Given that Bally's has expressed flexibility and the A's have excellent design teams involved, I think they will come up with an acceptable solution. Anyway, at this point I don't think the issue is of great concern to most locals. And as it won't influence any relocation decision, it shouldn't matter to those in the Bay Area either. Although I know that some in the Bay Area are obsessing and outraged about every aspect of the whole thing.
@@Sports-NV I'm a Dodgers fan living in Seattle, so I don't much care either way, just kinda interested in what seems like a difficult design problem. From a broader perspective I wish cities would stop letting themselves get played off each other to hand money to billionaires, but LV is by no means unique in that regard. Was happy my home metro area held out so long with the NFL, eventually forcing Kroenke to privately finance SoFi.
They should make the move conditional on the team getting sold. I have no clue why they are not Make John Fisher sell the team!
Because he owns it. Lol
How many acres is that new rendering stadium?
Prices is going up and I don’t see them getting a stadium in Vegas on 9 acres of land. 😂
Stadium 51 might just get me on board the LV A's train.
That stadium 51 rendering is a whole lot bigger than 9 acres.
Nobody knows what the owners and Manfred are really thinking! Manfred cares about money not approval ratings! A beautiful park in Oakland and Vegas is what I think they really want
The stadium 51 design kinda looks like an evil Roomba
Lol classic Fisher move to scam a city then change things up. Just wait until he ditches the move all together.
Where are you finding behind closed doors Manfred is saying that and why would he care? He just got reinstated.
Yeah, unless he's behind closed doors with him, seems like he's just making all that up.
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I really don't have any problem with the A's moving to Las Vegas. Just build the stadium somewhere else off the strip so the little local mom and pop business could benefit. Plus do we really need a baseball stadium on the strip.
6:33...Have any evidence that is what Manfred actually thinks or are you just BSing? What comments has he made like this that you are referring to?
It doesn’t look like Ben Garcia will be a part of the three architects involved who are competing to come up with the A’s future renderings.
Strike Ballpark 51.
Too much wasted space to fit within 9 acres. I can see a circular shaped stadium with an aperture style roof similar to The Mercedes Dome in Atlanta.
that sucks. baseball stadiums shouldn't look like the death star
They’re not getting is done. They’re buy time again. They can’t afford it
Wait, what? The A’s are going to Las Vegas?!?
They would move tomorrow if they could.
You need to watch soccer. Messi is playing in Inter Miami. Beisbol is not a world sport.
Ironic a ballpark having issues on a site called Tropicana lol…. Now Rays and As
114 degree outdoor climate? Open roof won’t work
Man that Stadium 51 is sexy
Nine acres. The site is too small. This is all about how many seats are they going to sacrifice to retain a retractable roof.The Stadium 51 concept is hideous.
Is this Stadium 51 plan done by a company that the A's are considering, and are considering going with the Stadium 51 plan? or Is this plan just done by some random architect, and you like the design, but the A's aren't considering it, and/or don't even know about it...
i would go for a different design than area 51 but that is just me
1.5 bil for the A's. Give me a break
I think the overall stadium design at the Oakland shipyards was awesome. I live in LV and our hearts are on the Vegas Golden Knights and the LV aces bc of their blue collar image yet they are champions! The VGK owner used all his money to get VGK going. The A's owner is a billionaire yet he seeks public funding? He better hope his team becomes a winner or they wont last here in LV where there is so much to do besides go to a game.
MLB insists some public money must be spent on new stadium projects. They feel they need the community to be part of the project. Fisher is investing $1.1B. Ballys about $500M in cash and land. The State and County $380M maximum (estimated at $350M), paid for over 30 years by taxes from the stadium and naming rights, which will probably pay $50M over 30 years. But who owns the stadium? Well, Fisher owns nothing but his team which is stuck there 30 years. The County owns the Stadium and Ballys still owns the land. If the A's move in the next 30 years they have to pay every cent back going back to day one while the County keeps the stadium paid for 100% from the A's. Its a poison pill. And like Allegiant, LVCVA will put other events in there which go back into the general tax fund. Its what makes Allegiant a money maker despite the $750M investment.
@@scotttild WRONG. 1) yes with Covid they dipped in because by law there were no or few fans allowed. 2) However, faster than anyone believed, they have almost made up every bit of it. Allegiant stadium is a HUGE success which is why the NV legislature went for the A's deal.
Really the main reason he's so desperate to move to LV is to stay on revenue sharing. He pockets most of that and has never really invested in the team. He took over a fine organization 18 years ago (playing well, drawing about 27k/game which is middle of the pack and normal for a secondary team in a big market) and has essentially decimated the franchise over that time. They have had some strong years on the field despite his lack of investment, but it was always known that the other shoe would drop and all the players the fans were rooting for and becoming invested in would be long gone before they had to sign a contract. If this move happens, I'm sure things will start out hot and slowly fizzle. They'll be like the Marlins or the Rays west. And then in 30 years, John Fisher's next closest heir will start extorting NV for more money or move the team to SLC or Omaha or something like that.
$380m, estimated at $350m...LOLOLOLOL. $380m is really the minimum for anybody who knows how these things go...especially with the incompetent A's ownership. It will almost assuredly be more. And of course if it doesn't deliver on ridiculous projections that a fake economist hired by the A's gave to the legislature, they will have to reach into the property taxes of Las Vegas residents...many of whom specifically moved to LV for the cost of living. It's a complete mess. Fisher is not investing $1.1b either....god that is hilarious.
I hope if this gets approved they use Ben Garcia design I like it better than the renderings that came out couple months ago
Arizona's roof is open close to 40-45% of the season because it's a dry climate. It's the same as Vegas. Texas and Florida are heavier on humidity so the roofs are closed most of the time. I say go with the retractable roof
I think 38k should be the absolute minimum.
Some of the seats in the upper deck would be too far from the field to enjoy the game. Especially around first and third base.
Boo John fisher
Even I could design a ballpark better than what the A’s released! And I’m not even an architect! I’m a 3D artist that models architectural buildings.
Stadium 51 is awesome
They need to totally rebrand too. I'm normally strongly in favour retaining anything old, but the Athletics name, and colours, fit some east coast blue collar town, not the vice pit of Vegas. Everything about them is absurdly out of whack with Vegas. They should go black and silver like the Raiders and call themselves the Bandits "B's" or something.
Lakers and Dodgers doesn’t make sense in LA, but that seems to have worked out well for them. The A’s name ties them to a lot of history going back to 1901, one which includes 14 Pennants, and 9 World Series titles. I doubt that they’ll want to disassociate themselves from their storied history with such a drastic rebranding.
Let's just stop it with this Las Vegas deserves and get a baseball team byway of the A's. Two small of a market. Vegas does have the density, but it is a two major sport's town.
Sell the team John fisher
The A's are still playing moneyball
The Area 51 stadium is awesome! I hope the A’s and Vegas listen to you!
So excited for the Las Vegas A’s!
Excellent video. I think most people knew the original images were just for show and did not represent anything accurate. I had seen the Stadium 51 design and agree that it holds promise. I think the two teams the A's have hired in a competition will also look at the design and use or adopt what they consider best.
The reporting by some that the A's will not have a design team until November is inaccurate. That suggests nothing is being done today. In fact, they have two design teams today and will have one chosen in November.
I don't think the organized Oakland fan activity will have any impact at all. But if it did, I suspect it would be the opposite of what they intended. The Commissioner and other owners know that if fans can try to bully one team, they could do the same with another.
You correctly point out that every project has its challenges, but provide a balanced picture versus some other video creators from the Bay Area that are nothing but negativity. While their motives are clear, that doesn't take away from the fact that they have been steadily losing credibility as discussed in several Facebook groups.
Good luck with your channel. From your other video, I know you are exploring additional options for growth.
Fans bully a team? It seems to me that the team is an entertainment industry and if they want to survive they need to give the fans what they want. Much like what happened to Bud Light, these businesses better start remembering who they need to survive.
@@robertpuffer9721 I said "try to bully a team". But I agree with you in that a team needs to give fans what they want. But that assumes the market allows that. From 1968 to 2022, a 54 year period, the A's attendance has been consistently below American League averages, except for 9 years. That suggests that today's excuses, the owner, team performance, stadium condition don't explain or excuse what has happened historically.
@@Sports-NVall of your comments are disingenuous and just wrong…. The fan base was the only good thing about the A’s since wolf and fisher took over with a sprinkle of great players we We’re blessed with only for them to be traded away.
It’s ok if your not educated enough to see the bad deal in front of you…. Just remember keep that same energy when fisher tanks your team on purpose… you better keep showing up.
My guess if they move - by year 5 the new wears off - traveling fans are over it and locals won’t fill seats for a team they never wanted…
We’re seeing the raiders doing it now and they carry a much bigger brand…..
@@stefanbrown5872 The Baseball Almanac is the source for my statement about the period from 1968 to 2022. As far as the predictions, many marketing and stadium financing experts predict a success. And the Raiders have had the largest ticket revenue of every NFL team. Most of the experts have advanced degrees, so you have absolutely nothing to talk about, since you're always discussing education.
@@Sports-NV well paid scientist is a song you should listen to. All the numbers look good if you say it enough and the unions are behind it right?
Lol A’s attendance when considering great ownership has been average to above…
When you consider bad ownership and what they have done - I’m guessing that’s a nuance you aren’t paying attention to.
When all you look at is ticket sales in a new stadium and not look at the makeup of fans or those attending - your being willfully ignorant…..
Of course ticket sales are good…. It’s new…. That’s gonna wear off sooner than later with a losing team like the raiders….
The fandom itself which is the most important piece is faltering and out numbered.
If all your looking for is a quick buck - you can spin success anyway you want…. No matter how Ill placed it is.
Don’t worry about my education - you should be worried about your service industry degrees and unlv haha. You ever actually read the reviews of what a scam college they is and yet Vegas hangs heavily on it haha.
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I really like that "space age" rendering of the proposed Las Vegas retractable-roof ballpark and they should just go with that idea!👍
I vote for Stadium 51!!!
I like the area 51 look.
you take away a view of the strip with that sofi globe life rip off. you need glass panels like Miami
I hope they don't move MLB needs to step up an Stay in Oakland
i much prefer the old design to whatever this ugly ass stadium 51 is
This is must see t.v. I'm happy to see the A's moving, but everything that goes along with this move is hilarious
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Las Vegas A's???
I can do a better design than that. Im going retro futurism.
Not a fan of the wall color
Nope! Garbage! SELL THE TEAM!
Baseball domes are ugly, spirit-killing parks. Vegas can’t have an MLB team
too low of a roof for baseball.
Upside down ballpark
If they can pull off the stadium 51 that would be sweet it looks gorgeous
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Stadium 51 looks awful.
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SELL and STAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!