Or does their combined effect lead to a negative space of "anti-copies", so when a store even had copies of the game, after both videos hit and they sell out then they will see that there are shelves that have empty box-shaped voids where nothing else than Leviathan Wilds can exist.
I can tell you whose review I'm watching first, regardless of which came out first. Hint: the one that won't have political opinions or "jokes" forced into it.
@@TorIverWilhelmsen According to the website the second printing is a breezy 9 months away from shipping so I'm going to hold on to my hat a bit for this one
I commented the same on NPI's video but 1) Definitely backing this, and 2) If anyone wants to try a different take on the same concept, I really recommend Skulk Hollow, which is a 1v1 strictly 2-player game where one player is the colossus and one is a group of medieval foxes. Very good fun (along with its sister game Maul Peak).
Thank you! I kept thinking "I've played this but I haven't played this so what was it I played?" - it was Skulk Hollow, which fell a little flat for my wife and me. I think we would enjoy the cooperative nature of this game more (we just prefer cooperative games in general)
Skulk hallow. They released an expansion (or second game) thats similar called maul peak that adds monsters and heros and new mechanics. Its fun and fairly simple game. It is a 2 player game, head to head. One playes as critters (i think theyre all cats?) and another as the monster. As the animals you climb and shoot at the monster winning if you destroy all its vital points. You start on the middle board and leap onto the monster, which is a different board shaped as said monster. As the guardian (monster), you win if you kill their royal person. (prince, princess, queen, or king. The opponent only chooses one to play with.) or an alternative win condition that is unique to each monster. You do all the actions with cards drawn from a personal deck. It is not a deck builder. The decks are not big and are meant to be moved through, but big enough where you dont get the powerful cards often enough. For 30~ dollars the base game is worth it. You get 4 monsters and 4 different types of royals (that have diff abilities). It is a fast, fun game. I really enjoy it. I have not yet played the expansion. Maul peak is a stand alone game that looks like ot adds difficulty and more abilities for both sides. The only part you need to get used to is the board is a diamond, not a square, the corners face you. It helps putting the card over the board, so you can see (dont show opponent unless using it), so you have a better understanding of where youre going/attacking. After the first game youll hardly make a mistake.
I can see the issue. This isn't a pure fandom page, SU&SD is about helping us make informed decisions. Like Earthborne Rangers, second printing drives is the best of both worlds.
I've been following the reprint crowdfund since being autosuggested it months ago and contemplating whether to back it or not. This video has cemented that absolutely yes this is an ideal game for my table and as such will indeed be getting it, so thanks for the big recommend!
This video brings up a valid question. How many buttons is appropriate for a RUclips video? The truth is, once I saw it, it was hard to see anything else and the close up board play shots were interludes from button counting. SU&SD sexy calendar anyone?
One thing I wish this review talked about more is player count. Especially for co-ops like this, the experience can differ wildly from "almost impossibly difficult when played solo" (Arkham Horror: The Card Game) to "very long sessions when played at four players" (Earthborne Rangers). For this one, I would realistically be playing solo. (My group is booked for other games, already.) Is it worth it? Does it work well in two-handed solo, maybe?
It's definitely not a lot of overhead for two handed solo, you only have 3 cards in hand (plus extra mechanisms for complex climbers). I mostly play 2p and it's a blast!
FWIW I've only played it Solo and 2P. Both ways games were about an hour, maybe less, and that was while we were learning and checking the rulebook. The official solo mode is a modified two-hander, where you control two Climbers with a single shared deck, which keeps the turns and upkeep to a minimum. With more players, turns are pretty nebulous because all Climbers may take (some) actions or be targeted on any player's turn, so downtime is minimal. Rounds advance at a constant pace (5 active player turns per round) so scaling is not much of a factor (ironic for a game about scaling). I hope this helps!
I might be in the minority, but I so much prefer this "shorter" type of video review than those over arching 26 min videos (except for Arcs, that was a whole other experience)
It might also be because the second Kickstarter campaign just launched. I assume both NPI and SUSD were waiting for the game to be available for purchase before posting their reviews.
Just want to give a shout out to your writing. It’s getting almost poetic in its delivery and rhymes and lyricism and those things when ya start words with the same letter that I can never remember the word for …. Very cool. Oh…game looks good too 😂
Great Review! Very concise and informative. Will be honest, do miss the fun skits and bits that usually accompanies a Tom review, but still a good video! I hope I wasn't the only one who had to watch this twice because I was distracted (in a good way!) by how open his shirt was
Would be curious to hear others thoughts on difficulty. I played Leviathan 1 and 3 on hard and found it just a moderate challenge but the next step might be a little too much.
Number 4, The Watcher, is a step up in difficulty, and requires a rethink of your strategy -- later Leviathans even more! Also some climber/class combinations are a bit easier in my opinion, like those with blight avoidance skills. Others are harder -- like if you only have a single card in your whole deck with blight protection when played for AP, you have to hold on to it for dear life.
Tom's script was extra poetic on this one. Some really satisfying alliteration patterns and rhyme schemes. Evocative word choices and clever placement.
Once we got through the first couple Leviathans this game just felt far too punishing. It’s nice and easy to teach but we lacked enjoyment after getting a bit further in.
Does it have different difficulty settings? And out of curiosity: Did you play with two? I wonder if 4 characters is easier than two. (Oftentimes it is, in games like these.)
I played this game recently. Great quality components, but didn't really care to play it again. Didn't hate it, but it'd never hit my table. I'd rather play just about anything else.
I wonder does Tom do all writing, presenting, filming and editing by himself? Or is the whole team involved in every video? Can I see the influences of Emily, Matt and/or someone else in this video? (Because I think I do)
Of all the channels I sub to, SUASD is the last one I would think was doing sneaky paid reviews. Not sure who those people saying that are, but they have a very poor judge of character.
Like I really love the loo of this game but as a european I am looking at 150 to 160 euros for 2 ringbooks and a few dice and meeples including shipping and vat.....speaking about the new backer version without the fancy upgrades.
@@Verisi1 Because Suez is closed again EU shipping in particular has become much more expensive unfortunately. In the recent past EU1 for example was often as expensive as US shipping or only marginally more expensive now EU1 is already one of the more expensive options offered and EU2 is even worse. And of course since VAT calculates based on product PLUS shipping and not only product it gets even worse.
I'm opting for just the base version though the Kickstarter. Still comes with the crowdfunding upgrades and by all accounts has a ton of gameplay just in the main box (17 titans and the backers-only Mutation cards that change them up with different abilities etc). Can only speak for myself but I find I rarely ever play a game enough to need the expansion content if the base version is already this robust. Just some food for thought if you're on the fence.
@@meewarwoowoo I am not going to start a discussion about the art world and about what things outside of actual production give you the "right" to increase your price but this is really not the amazing comparison you think it is.
I'd have liked to have seen a little more included in this look at the game. It sounds almost like a sales pitch rather than a deeper dive into what the game delivers. For example, and you don't even need to spoil anything: How's the balance? On the easier side, or harder? Does it scale, or have issues with scaling? Just how puzzly is it, on a weight scale? How unique and fun are the bosses? There's over 10, so do they get samey? Is there a big showdown at the end, or a twist in the middle? How's the game solo? How's it in a group? How much time per player, or is there a lot of downtime? Is there a narrative to follow, some story or theme? How well is that written, how immersed do you feel defeating these titans? Etc.
I think broadly our channel isn't geared towards these kinds of very linear and specific breakdowns - it's not our style! We tend to want to get across the ideas of the game to a broader audience rather than get deep into specifics. I think you can also broadly intuit a lot of the answers to these questions from the video itself - like if the monsters got samey or the game was terribly balanced... I'd probably say? Rather than my only complaint being some rulebook quibbles? If there was lots of downtime then that'd be a problem brought up at some point too? If there was a big showdown or twist that I mentioned then perhaps people would call "spoilers"? I don't know! We write reviews that we want to see in the world. There's a dozen ways to get the answers you're looking for, many of which are implied in this video. Maybe we're not quite right for you, and that's ok!
I love Tom, but his reviews can absolutely feel too artsy in the script writing. This one does for sure. Just tell me what you liked about the game, Tom! haha
This doesnt particularly grab me, reminds me of a slimmed down and accessible version of Aeons Tresspass: Odyssey , what if KDM but with a really good and well written choose your own adventure, adventure map tiles and big greek myth energy. Its biggest downsides have just been the sheer table and surface space needed, and the ppor organisation of the contents in the box. Beyond that, I've been obsessed with it
The first leviathan is yeah. No idea why the literal tutorial mission that doesn't utilize like anything the game is capable of is the one they chose to demo? No other channel is demoing the game with this guy. But that's also the idea. Its a table top type game designed by ACTUAL board gamers and lacks all the bullshit that true board game people hate about table top/rp/roleplay based crap and has created a well designed actually interesting game. Something that would be fun even if there were no pictures and everything was just cubes. And that is the magic here. Its the first Ive seen in its entire genre that looks like its an actual game. And not some kind of nerd rp fest shit disguised as one. And has so many rules the decision space is irrelevant and nothing matters unless you do the two obviously bad moves.
Multiple channels reviewing a game that recently went to crowdfunding and is already quite well known from a first printing? How dare they?!?!?!! Shut the f up.
The little sound effects when moving during the explanation are now my new favorite thing.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one that noticed lol! They're great
I think they’re lifted from the videogame Jet Set Radio Future
I've been playing this game since the Kickstarter and my goodness is it so good. It's good solo, it's good with friends. It's just good good good.
Not one mention of Arcs! Well done Tom! 😂
Edit I spoke too soon 😂
So the question is did "SU&SD" and "No Pun Intended" just play a game together ?
Or does their combined effect lead to a negative space of "anti-copies", so when a store even had copies of the game, after both videos hit and they sell out then they will see that there are shelves that have empty box-shaped voids where nothing else than Leviathan Wilds can exist.
I can tell you whose review I'm watching first, regardless of which came out first.
Hint: the one that won't have political opinions or "jokes" forced into it.
@@TorIverWilhelmsen According to the website the second printing is a breezy 9 months away from shipping so I'm going to hold on to my hat a bit for this one
@@JustACuteFoxHow brave of you
@@JustACuteFoxso none of them? 🙃😁
I commented the same on NPI's video but 1) Definitely backing this, and 2) If anyone wants to try a different take on the same concept, I really recommend Skulk Hollow, which is a 1v1 strictly 2-player game where one player is the colossus and one is a group of medieval foxes. Very good fun (along with its sister game Maul Peak).
Thank you! I kept thinking "I've played this but I haven't played this so what was it I played?" - it was Skulk Hollow, which fell a little flat for my wife and me. I think we would enjoy the cooperative nature of this game more (we just prefer cooperative games in general)
I didn't know I needed a board game about climbing giant monsters. Now I do.
Skulk hallow. They released an expansion (or second game) thats similar called maul peak that adds monsters and heros and new mechanics. Its fun and fairly simple game.
It is a 2 player game, head to head. One playes as critters (i think theyre all cats?) and another as the monster.
As the animals you climb and shoot at the monster winning if you destroy all its vital points. You start on the middle board and leap onto the monster, which is a different board shaped as said monster.
As the guardian (monster), you win if you kill their royal person. (prince, princess, queen, or king. The opponent only chooses one to play with.) or an alternative win condition that is unique to each monster.
You do all the actions with cards drawn from a personal deck. It is not a deck builder. The decks are not big and are meant to be moved through, but big enough where you dont get the powerful cards often enough.
For 30~ dollars the base game is worth it. You get 4 monsters and 4 different types of royals (that have diff abilities). It is a fast, fun game. I really enjoy it. I have not yet played the expansion.
Maul peak is a stand alone game that looks like ot adds difficulty and more abilities for both sides.
The only part you need to get used to is the board is a diamond, not a square, the corners face you. It helps putting the card over the board, so you can see (dont show opponent unless using it), so you have a better understanding of where youre going/attacking. After the first game youll hardly make a mistake.
Check out "Skulk Hollow" too -- One player climbs the giant monster, the other player *IS* the giant monster
Climing, apparently.
@@LunaRoseManor skulk hallow and maul peak are worth looking into. 2 player, one the guardian (monster), the other the heros.
Beautifully written review script, even more so than we've gotten used to! Outstanding job
After all the gesticulating in this review, I do declare Tom an honorary Italian .
I can see the issue. This isn't a pure fandom page, SU&SD is about helping us make informed decisions. Like Earthborne Rangers, second printing drives is the best of both worlds.
Just pledged all in. Once again, the SU&SD lads convince me, and my wallet gets lighter.
Loved the tone of this video. Informative, evocative, entertaining without feeling extraneous.
I've been following the reprint crowdfund since being autosuggested it months ago and contemplating whether to back it or not. This video has cemented that absolutely yes this is an ideal game for my table and as such will indeed be getting it, so thanks for the big recommend!
This video brings up a valid question. How many buttons is appropriate for a RUclips video? The truth is, once I saw it, it was hard to see anything else and the close up board play shots were interludes from button counting.
SU&SD sexy calendar anyone?
One thing I wish this review talked about more is player count. Especially for co-ops like this, the experience can differ wildly from "almost impossibly difficult when played solo" (Arkham Horror: The Card Game) to "very long sessions when played at four players" (Earthborne Rangers).
For this one, I would realistically be playing solo. (My group is booked for other games, already.) Is it worth it? Does it work well in two-handed solo, maybe?
It's definitely not a lot of overhead for two handed solo, you only have 3 cards in hand (plus extra mechanisms for complex climbers). I mostly play 2p and it's a blast!
FWIW I've only played it Solo and 2P. Both ways games were about an hour, maybe less, and that was while we were learning and checking the rulebook. The official solo mode is a modified two-hander, where you control two Climbers with a single shared deck, which keeps the turns and upkeep to a minimum. With more players, turns are pretty nebulous because all Climbers may take (some) actions or be targeted on any player's turn, so downtime is minimal. Rounds advance at a constant pace (5 active player turns per round) so scaling is not much of a factor (ironic for a game about scaling). I hope this helps!
I'm glad to see you reviewed this one!
And there's a solo mode?! As a Monster Hunter fan, really excited for this one. Now, if only it was May already
Yes, there is one and is great.
It's a great time. I highly recommend it.
I might be in the minority, but I so much prefer this "shorter" type of video review than those over arching 26 min videos (except for Arcs, that was a whole other experience)
I think different games require or deserve different lengths
Sweet, I missed out on the first run of this one, and it kinda fell off my radar after that. Thanks for the heads up on a second run.
Picked up the Kickstarter of this. Highly recommend others grab it while you can!
Super intriguing, love the coop, but I'm not sure I would pick this over Skulk Hollow.
Best crowdfund experience i ever had.
The fact that there are 17 leviathans in the game can't be a coincidence...
This game sounds awesome! Love the concept and love to see more good cooperative games.
NPI and SU&SD reviewing the same game on almost the same day? Great minds think alike, I suppose
Or the sponsor checks got sent out the same day?
@@so_dumsmissing the
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It might also be because the second Kickstarter campaign just launched. I assume both NPI and SUSD were waiting for the game to be available for purchase before posting their reviews.
Not a sponsored video! This is true of all of our videos, and is addressed in this one.
@@shutupandsitdown sPOnsOr cHeCkS
I like how funky the editing has gotten
Undo any more buttons and you’ll get de-monetised
What is this!? Skulk Hollow Coop (which I love)!
Just want to give a shout out to your writing. It’s getting almost poetic in its delivery and rhymes and lyricism and those things when ya start words with the same letter that I can never remember the word for …. Very cool. Oh…game looks good too 😂
@illustrationmaking: Alliteration. And agreed -- it's very good here! :D Seriously. Sounds like a beat poet sometimes, and I'm here for it.
@@jole182 that’s the one! 😁
Immediately in love with the shirt 🤌
Great Review! Very concise and informative. Will be honest, do miss the fun skits and bits that usually accompanies a Tom review, but still a good video! I hope I wasn't the only one who had to watch this twice because I was distracted (in a good way!) by how open his shirt was
Welp, I’m sold!
My heart sank when you mentioned that it's crowdfunded... And the price is rather steep. 😢
Tom, you're a poet.
Lovely episode! Love in it
Mucilaginous! What a delicious word!
Seems fun :D thank you for sharing
Wow this video starts so fast without any intro etc. I feel like the first 8 minutes are missing!
Ouuuuuuuuuh, this sounds zesty.
Would be curious to hear others thoughts on difficulty. I played Leviathan 1 and 3 on hard and found it just a moderate challenge but the next step might be a little too much.
Number 4, The Watcher, is a step up in difficulty, and requires a rethink of your strategy -- later Leviathans even more!
Also some climber/class combinations are a bit easier in my opinion, like those with blight avoidance skills. Others are harder -- like if you only have a single card in your whole deck with blight protection when played for AP, you have to hold on to it for dear life.
Tom's script was extra poetic on this one. Some really satisfying alliteration patterns and rhyme schemes. Evocative word choices and clever placement.
The man has become a paragon of mellifluous wordsmithery
You're luckily they legalized marriage for comments like this finally
Monster Hunter Tri mentioned!!!
Thumbed up for use of the word ‘slaps’
Once we got through the first couple Leviathans this game just felt far too punishing.
It’s nice and easy to teach but we lacked enjoyment after getting a bit further in.
Does it have different difficulty settings? And out of curiosity: Did you play with two? I wonder if 4 characters is easier than two. (Oftentimes it is, in games like these.)
@lystic9392 it's the opposite actually. Harder with more players 😊
10:51 great outer wilds wallpaper (i have the exact same one)
Came here to say that
Your comment didn't have any replies or likes and still appears as the first comment to me. That says a lot about youtube algorithm
I played this game recently. Great quality components, but didn't really care to play it again. Didn't hate it, but it'd never hit my table. I'd rather play just about anything else.
K2 and Gloomhaven had a baby? Sounds good to me.
I backed this, but not had the chance to play yet.
Evocative
You do a good job Matt
Thomas also slaps.
has the camera-work improved or am I just late (or intoxicated)?
Anyway excellent job, and a very interesting game
Good point on us getting upset about when a reviewed game is not available.
I'll be better about that.
Looks great! Is this kickstarter/gamefound only? Or can I just buy it normally? 😅
This reminds me of skulk hollow.
Video edition changed. It was good.
I wonder does Tom do all writing, presenting, filming and editing by himself? Or is the whole team involved in every video? Can I see the influences of Emily, Matt and/or someone else in this video? (Because I think I do)
Of all the channels I sub to, SUASD is the last one I would think was doing sneaky paid reviews. Not sure who those people saying that are, but they have a very poor judge of character.
Like I really love the loo of this game but as a european I am looking at 150 to 160 euros for 2 ringbooks and a few dice and meeples including shipping and vat.....speaking about the new backer version without the fancy upgrades.
There's also 230+ cards (base game)... but yeah, backing games is so expensive. Hopefully this run will be more retail-available.
@@Verisi1 Because Suez is closed again EU shipping in particular has become much more expensive unfortunately. In the recent past EU1 for example was often as expensive as US shipping or only marginally more expensive now EU1 is already one of the more expensive options offered and EU2 is even worse.
And of course since VAT calculates based on product PLUS shipping and not only product it gets even worse.
Your reminder that games are not the components any more than saying a small bit of canvas and some paint describes an artwork.
I'm opting for just the base version though the Kickstarter. Still comes with the crowdfunding upgrades and by all accounts has a ton of gameplay just in the main box (17 titans and the backers-only Mutation cards that change them up with different abilities etc). Can only speak for myself but I find I rarely ever play a game enough to need the expansion content if the base version is already this robust.
Just some food for thought if you're on the fence.
@@meewarwoowoo I am not going to start a discussion about the art world and about what things outside of actual production give you the "right" to increase your price but this is really not the amazing comparison you think it is.
I refuse he said ''gauche'' it was just an error in my brain for hearing it there.
First? Wow first time ever in like 15 years. Love you SUSD. Hows paul doing? Also, more Cool Ghosts!
Cool. The Dungeon Dive yt channel had a dope review of this one several months ago, glad more folks might hear about it.
I'd have liked to have seen a little more included in this look at the game. It sounds almost like a sales pitch rather than a deeper dive into what the game delivers. For example, and you don't even need to spoil anything: How's the balance? On the easier side, or harder? Does it scale, or have issues with scaling? Just how puzzly is it, on a weight scale? How unique and fun are the bosses? There's over 10, so do they get samey? Is there a big showdown at the end, or a twist in the middle? How's the game solo? How's it in a group? How much time per player, or is there a lot of downtime? Is there a narrative to follow, some story or theme? How well is that written, how immersed do you feel defeating these titans? Etc.
But those things actually matter. Tom only talks about things that don't.
I think broadly our channel isn't geared towards these kinds of very linear and specific breakdowns - it's not our style! We tend to want to get across the ideas of the game to a broader audience rather than get deep into specifics. I think you can also broadly intuit a lot of the answers to these questions from the video itself - like if the monsters got samey or the game was terribly balanced... I'd probably say? Rather than my only complaint being some rulebook quibbles? If there was lots of downtime then that'd be a problem brought up at some point too? If there was a big showdown or twist that I mentioned then perhaps people would call "spoilers"?
I don't know! We write reviews that we want to see in the world. There's a dozen ways to get the answers you're looking for, many of which are implied in this video. Maybe we're not quite right for you, and that's ok!
@@shutupandsitdown I gotcha. Thanks for the thoughtful response. Definitely the game is showcased beautifully, you always do a marvelous job
Why are board games slapping people? Games have really changed in 2024... Smh
Since I haven't played shadow of the Colossus for more than an hour, I probably don't need this one.
Good review but I think we are going too heavy on the thesaurus. At some point it starts feeling farcical.
I love Tom, but his reviews can absolutely feel too artsy in the script writing. This one does for sure. Just tell me what you liked about the game, Tom! haha
This video is not about Arcs 😢
Is the editor Emily? Or Emily-infused 🤔
This doesnt particularly grab me, reminds me of a slimmed down and accessible version of Aeons Tresspass: Odyssey , what if KDM but with a really good and well written choose your own adventure, adventure map tiles and big greek myth energy.
Its biggest downsides have just been the sheer table and surface space needed, and the ppor organisation of the contents in the box. Beyond that, I've been obsessed with it
Quackalope: how have they missed this!?
Maybe leviathan wilds refused to pay them. Not only is he shady but everyone named Jesse is shady.
will you ever review a great game that i can then just go and buy? 😅
Where did Paul go?
You're still the man though just wish you and Paul could join forces ....
Jesus his eye rings
KS... not thanks... Also that price?! Sheesh.
Yo yo yo
Honestly the game seems to me, just mehhhh
The first leviathan is yeah. No idea why the literal tutorial mission that doesn't utilize like anything the game is capable of is the one they chose to demo? No other channel is demoing the game with this guy.
But that's also the idea. Its a table top type game designed by ACTUAL board gamers and lacks all the bullshit that true board game people hate about table top/rp/roleplay based crap and has created a well designed actually interesting game. Something that would be fun even if there were no pictures and everything was just cubes.
And that is the magic here. Its the first Ive seen in its entire genre that looks like its an actual game. And not some kind of nerd rp fest shit disguised as one. And has so many rules the decision space is irrelevant and nothing matters unless you do the two obviously bad moves.
@@Wylie288 maybe i should try it to make me a better opinion. I dont think i will buy it, but im very open to give ir a try
can't believe this channel just copies NPI
Multiple channels reviewing a game that recently went to crowdfunding and is already quite well known from a first printing? How dare they?!?!?!!
Shut the f up.
Yes because it only takes one day to storyboard, plan, script, record, edit, and publish a video.
More like, can't believe two popular board game review channels received copies of a game that is on crowdfunding right now.
super ugly game
You need to coordinate with Pun Not Included. You both uploaded a review of the SAME BOARD GAME within the same week of each other.