What’s Missing In Deathcore Today? | WHITECHAPEL
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
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The Acacia Strains last few albums are legitimately scary, horrible, disgusting both lyrically and musically. some of their stuff can actually knock me ill
@@Chovieisin08 The Acacia Strains the best
A Strain has such atmospheric dread in their music, but Vincent is one of the nicest funniest guys
@@Chovieisin08 first time I seen them live I had already watched videos of them so many times so I thought I knew what was coming…I wasn’t. The energy once they came on and started The Beast intro changed so quick and just erupted into madness. Front to back, side to side, corner to corner. I don’t think there wasn’t a body moving and singing. Unreal performance everytime I’ve seen them
Just like Alex Teyen of Black Tongue said "the only right way to experience metal is to take it seriously". You can be a funny guy, but when the music is on, you have to be in the moment 100% for it to make sense.. And I think Black Tongue alway delivered this live, even tho they're pretty funny dudes otherwise.
I wish I got to see them live. I had tickets to a show in Austin some years back and they dropped off the bill.
This is why I’m more of a death metal listener these days. Deathcore got kind of corny and too much Funtime brotown themed. I like my metal to be dark brooding full of negativity. With no happy faces on stage. Immolation is a good example.
@@tomasholy4343 RIP Black Tongue. I saw them in Paris, people in the crowd were shushing eachother before the band came on stage, the only guys making jokes were screamed at "shut the f up!". Quietness came. Then a pure hellish nightmare.
It says it all, we were like 100 in the room, we all wanted to feel something, no nonsense. It was not the place for that.
@@Keepitsavage21 I've always considered death metal a "mature" genre. Bands like Immolation and Ulcerate don't compromise.
@@rupe82 just checked out Ulcerate. Liking the song praise and negations 🤘🏽
I agree whole heartedly. There isnt a lot of fire in anyones belly anymore.
@@dunforever1052 You've got to realise that whenever you say "there's not a lot of ___ anymore" you can guarantee that that's an issue with what you're searching for and looking at, not that there's actually a lack of something in this world.
8 billion people all with the capacity to think "theres not a lot of ___ anymore" and even if only an uncountably low percentage of those people does something about it, that's still thousands of bands.
@@KyleMcMullan_Musician That's a fair point. However I come from the same exact generation as these guys. And I'm also still involved in the music scene. And there is a HUGE difference in bands and music in general. There is a lack of creativity across the board in art, movies ect. Even down to the grass roots. There is a LOT of imitation, and not a lot of creativity that I saw coming up in the scene.
@@dunforever1052 But you're just repeating the exact same point. The issue remains, there are over 100,000 registered, active metal bands. No matter what generation you come from, no matter how well connected to the music scene you are, there is no possible way for you to be actively aware of even a small percentage of those bands. It would be impossible to think that the trends in the bands you are aware of are in any way indicative of the the vast majority that you're not.
You could potentially make good observations about that tiny fraction of bands that are successful enough to be making money off of it and have some level of national/international recognition, but even then I'd be sceptical of someone making broad generalisations like "there isnt a lot of ___".
The point is, look for new bands. You'll find a lot that have what youre looking for.
There's no sincere anger.
@@wikkddevil9336 well said
@@wikkddevil9336 I’ve been sayin this for years. You can always tell when a singer means what they say in a song. Big reason why I think Iowa by slipknot is the most pissed of record of all time. Corey told bo lies on that record lol:
deathcore isn't defined by anger, though. or metal in general. I know it's definitely the most common ground for the genre but personally I'll always thoroughly enjoy concept music. Not necessarily more than songs expressing emotions, but at least equally.
What's there to be angry about ? I can't relate to music that's driven by anger, I have nothing to be angry about. KIN will be trump their new album by far because it had a softer side to it
@@grahamashcroft871 A lot, especially (in this specific instance) if one came from a broken/abusive home. That happens a lot, my man. Can cause a lot of anger.
MySpace deathcore : slams, 2 steps , solo, blast beats and breakdowns
Deathcore now: blast beats ,breakdowns blast beat ,solo , breakdown
deathcore now: dimmu borgir song followed by the most drawn out breakdown possible with goblin snarls
Lorna Shore
I think Humanity's last breath is one of the bands in the current circuit that's pretty terrifying live
You guys need psycho frame on the show they are actually SCARY Deathcore
So happy the Myspace style deathcore is coming back
2006-2011 deathcore was PEAK.
Shout out to the MySpace days, best days of my life being a 16 year old punk ass discovering new metal music
Definitely. 2005 I’d say though. Despised Icon, Through the Eyes of the Dead, Antagony, Job For A Cowboy crushed that year
For real though. It was basically my full time job back in middle school and high school to discover as many new sick metal bands that I could on Myspace and then download their albums on limewire or buy the CD if I really liked them to support them. That's pretty much all I used Myspace for was to find new bands haha.
Well I think Whitechapel's new album will go back to the first two records Phil wanting to write darker and hearing what they just released is scary I feel
@@adamsamels8539 honestly, I sure hope they do. I’m trying to jam some vicer exciser-esque tunes
@@lobes117 we just have to see how the rest of the newer album goes Phil saying he wanted to write heavier shit brings hope that it might
What made a lot of the original deathcore bands like Whitechapel, Suicide Silence and Carnifex and their early albums so good was the very apparent death metal influence on the music which is missing in the newer bands that have come out. That being said, it makes sense that the newer bands sound the way that they do. Modern day deathcore is simply just influenced by deathcore unlike before so its become less dimensional than it use too, and in my opinion less scary or intimating like it once was.
Deathcore is more death metal now then before .. stp,shadow of intent and Lorna for example
@INIGO7 Not knocking those bands but no, they're not. Albums like the Somatic defilement, the cleansing and Dead in my arms have a much bigger and obvious death metal connection then those bands do, song structure and the riffs are all directly tied to brutal death metal, grind and death metal than today's compositions
@@Decapiated I ment to elaborate..what I ment to say was wether they were more hxc or dm they blended both well now a days it’s just 1 or the other
@@Decapiated Original? The genre got its start in the mid 90's, everyone of those bands are 2nd wave myspace era Deathcore
@Slamthulhu The bands mentioned literally defined the sound that most of the population associate deathcore with. 90s bands like embodyment are great obviously no one's denying that but the deathcore sound then is still vastly from what is now considered deathcore.
“This is exile” era WC, “Decimate the weak” era Winds of Plague, “The Cleansing” era SS, and “Hell Chose Me” era Carnifex all scared me when I saw them live at those times.
Blast beats and brutal deathmetal riffs. A lot of modern deathcore bands are really just basic chugcore riffs with the same way overdone breakdown.
yup. the genre is filled w sh8t
You got it backwards, post deathcore bands like Lorna shore have zero core elements.
and pig squeals
@@Jmack7861 blast beats started with hardcore punk. and their breakdown structure came from metalcore. so at the end of the day most bands are still deathcore, but they use outside elements as well. like the blackened influence
@@RibeiroGames12 you can literally hear 90% of first gen deathcore bands credit hxc, not metalcore.
I get it. My first concert was in 2008 in Australia, Sweatfest. The lineup was Parkway Drive, Suicide Silence, The Acacia Strain, A Day To Remember and Confession.
I was 13 and hadn’t heard about Suicide Silence or even real deathcore yet.
You guys scared the FUCK out of me, my young brain was like “this is way too much” and after that concert I was absolutely hooked.
But the shock factor was real
that’s one hell of a lineup
@@v.pestilent yeah dude especially in Australia, the cost of having international bands come here is astronomical now.
They don’t do em like that anymore.
Great examples as well . Meshuggah and behemoth have kept things dark and dangerous . Love the new song gents
I feel like it came to the point that the whole metal scene is waiting for something truly truly innovative, something totally new and unique in metal evolution
This is why I love Spite! Seeing them live brought me back to my high school years
behemoth n meshuggah..scary wouldn't be the word I'd use to describe them 🤣
@@AuldHammerI'll never get how meshuggah had this innovative sound that was so out of the box and the chose to have the voice of that sound be one thing for 20+ years.
Like…like…like…like…like…like…like…jesus christ Phil, spit it out.
chill man
Just seen Whitechapel and Lorna Shore in Toronto on the 20th. (: was so Epic
@billyrobitaille7839 well see them on the 29th in oklahoma city counting the days!
100% I get it. I remember hearing slipknot Iowa for the first time and just feeling dread coursing through me with each pulse in the song.
There are still bands that do that to me today, but it doesn't help that people are uncomfortable with taking things seriously and have to break tension with quips all the time these days
Love seeing Phil give Behemoth their flowers. One of the best bands out there, and a damn fine experience to witness live.
Right. Like I remember when we were young, Deicide was actually scary. Just an example. Brutal, technical and scary, almost inaccessible.
Larcenia Roe is probably the only modern deathcore band that I'd say is genuinely creepy and unnerving.
100% their riffs are heavy af, and the vocals are sooooo nasty.
ECHOES OF MISANTHROPY are Good too. And even SHORES OF ELYSIUM . SHIT CHECK OUT FEAST FOR THE CROWS ALBUM
THEY ONLY HAVE ONE BUT IT'S REALLY GOOD METAL CORE.
SHIT EVEN BABIRUSA GOOD
Agreed. Music is fucking serious shit for me too. I get it’s not for everyone, but for me it ain’t fun or funny, it’s serious.
That's part of why I love black metal so much, sometimes it can come across a little corny, but when it's done right it's an experience beyond just music
I feel the same exact way with everything he said. 100% fully support it
yeah. what made me like deathcore is its terrifing sound which i thought to be very interesting
There are still scary sounding bands out there, maybe not in deathcore, but in brutal death metal, war metal or Portal-influenced shit, yeah there are still plenty of fucking crazy, authentic bands today. You just have to dig for them. It's definitely far from the mainstream, but they exist.
The scariest shit I seen live was Johnny Davy from Job For A Cowboy. That dude fuckin brought it! He's right though. It ain't the same now. It's watered down.
Living and composing music authentically..
you need to look at bands like tetragrammacide, gnaw their tongues, revenge, for shit thats actually scary in the metal world at this point. nothing is scary but shit like that now
@@JR-rk3hs 1000%. War metal is THE heaviest metal sub genre to exist.
Never heard of any of them. I'll check them out
@@infernalfrost3302I don't normally find War Metal heavy at all but Revenge are fucking amazing, all the props in the world to those guys
@@SlamthulhuAgreed, Revenge rules ⚔️
@@HollowSentence22Also, check out Teitanblood, Manticore, Pseudogod, Archgoat and Conqueror. It’s some killer stuff dude, cheers!
You can blame the lack of seriousness on bands like Electric Callboy. Over the last 4 years they've gotten big by being a meme band and got a lot of reaction videos and channels devoted to them just by being heavy but with silliness to their videos. I don't know how long they can keep doing that, but it was a breath of fresh air to watch Hypa Hypa when every other band was doing videos in a woodshed or forest.
Angelmaker is really good. They always pack out Houston. I am going tonight to see Signs of the Swarm.
Originality
Every generation of metalheads ever since the 80s nitpick the generation ten years later. Something's always missing but things are always added as well. It's more the boomer mentality and inability to look deep enough underground that has always been the problem in most non mainstream music scenes.
I FEEL THIS COMPLETELY. Darkness is a sort of light for those who seek a catharsis for the complicated nature of existence. Newer (prog death) Whitechapel is better because there's more room to express such emotions. Prog death Whitechapel over deathcore Whitechapel all day. However, their new song is sick AF and my favourite deathcore song by them!
Brand of sacrifice was awesome but that heavyness in suicide silence was fucking awesome in the pit
To me metal is experience.... Behemoth shows that perfectly most of their songs tell a story of emotions , and now deathcore just became like BRRRR uruuuuu HAIIIIIII tnt t not tn tn, just a random music...
For me, I stopped listening to deathcore a couple years ago, because it all blended together and sounded so similar.
I was death metal guy first, and I still love the genre to this day. And I will admit that there are some similarities with a ton of death metal bands, but there are many bands that do it differently.
Seems like right before I stopped listening to deathcore, it was pretty formulaic. And it was the same breakdowns and no solos.
I LOVE old school Whitechapel and Suicide Silence, those days were superb days of deathcore, back then, it seems they nailed it on how deathcore should be done. Deathcore bands need to go back to that
I think that nothing can be scary in musical sense. It's either aggressive or not, but the aggressive heavy part always comes from sincerity of anger and rage, and not from low tuning, lowest growls and blast beats. Most of the "brutal" bands are just a gimmick. the horror story lyrical themes also have no weight.
Nitheful is pretty scary...and aggressive.
I've never read a more subjective paragraph lol
The problem is that there is too much content about bands and band members contrary to the old days. For example, Slaughter to Prevail could be a seriously scary band, but there's too many videos of Alex being funny and wholesome (which is great obviously) which takes away the menace factor imo
Phil Bozeman would love some Death Industrial shit, that stuff is hands down scary.
Yeah I think a lot of metalbands went for the overproduced route (deathcore) of poppy route (metalcore), which for me takes some of the anger and evil out of it. Most new bands for me feel like I've heard it a 100 times before. Not deathcore btw but I recently stumbled uppon Akhlys, a black metal band, and their music is terrifying.
Dani filth does a great job of keeping metal creepy, wish we can get more darker albums.
Same bro...I love dark sh!t. Everything dark. Music...sense of humor...movies...my clothes dark dark dark! Even my Meinl Cymbals are the Classics Custom Dark series. I focking love the dark side of life! Not a big fan of dark people tho...shrugs...and I live in Chicago 😂
As an og deathcore kid D000D I've been to hundreds of shows and the ones that come to mind for being intimidated or just like frozen are I Declare War and the 1st time I saw Thy art, they came out reign of darkness and I was beyond excited to throw down to that mofxr, but that didn't happen 😂 I stood there frozen for most of there set I felt petrified, I remember like zoning out and feeling the evil around me and watching cj walk out on top of the crowd screaming it was INCREDIBLE. I just couldn't move😂 2nd time and all times I saw them after that I got my revenge and threw the fuck down crazy. Also, just got back from Nemf this weekend that's another planet and I loved every minute.
Heavy, scary, dark = Humanity's Last Breath
Behemoth is so scary with Nergal's satanic toupe'
Talent
Death metal band logos are literally meme worthy.
The big issue for me in the past decade is the mixing. It's loud blast beats and vox and the guitars get pushed to the back except for when they want you to clearly hear a specific riff at a specific moment. Look back at albums like The Cleansing, the riffs were primitive but at least they were audible and that made it hit harder. Now most songs have no distinct character during the verses because the entire low end of the guitars is tuned out. Even during the breakdowns, the drums are by far the loudest thing and the breakdowns lose their sense of syncopation among the band
Deathcore was cool before any of those bands got too big and started taking themselves too seriously. I lost interest in Whitechapel around the same time they started wearing matching outfits on stage.
I get what Phil's saying but it seems like he didn't express it the best here, but these guy's probably aren't too used to podcasting
The depression, alcoholism, drug use and pure hatred and anger are lost in metal today. Today it's just super, extreme produced same same
Job for a cowboy when I saw them headline before lamb of god in 2009 when I was 14 🤘🤘 that was some brutal awakening type shyt haha
Ogrish…
Oh how I remember Ogrish…
Well said Phil.
I want that pre-prod recorded with a fisher price metal.
MySpace is missing from Deathcore today.
we need to bring back the horror and the fuck up shit of death core thats what deathcore needs right now that horror and creepy vibes to it
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I feel like there still is terrifying death core you just gotta know where to look, spite and psycho-frame are great examples
Spite seems to be losing some of the scary side at their shows. More performance/upbeat focused. I miss watching their old shows of Darius in tanks tops or flannels really letting loose.
nothing scary bout grown men calling themselves a cult
Half the problem is no one actually watches anymore everyone is on their phones
The death is missing from death core. It's all about when a breakdowns not the fucking evil
core is missing..the most popular bands as of now in deathcore are mostly death influenced
I want it to be scary af!! I’m seeing Lorna shore / white chapel/ ect in oct. not usually into deathmetal..my best friend is. So going for her and hoping it’ll finally click for me.
Morbid Angel and Deicide started this after Slayer and yes Behemoth/Slaughter To Prevail amongst a few others do it but much of the bands in the death/core genre do not intimidate me in the slightest!
Unfortunately i see this with my Kids and Grandkids. There is no more mask or mystique to artists anymore in the advent of social media. Growing up in the early 80s and going to the bitting the head off bats era of Ozzy shows, WASP, Slayer, even bands like Dio, early Motley Crue, there was the aura of the unknown, are these guys really evil and satanic, backword messages on vinyl.. ect.. awesome time of just living in the moment.
This dude said "like" so many times in the first minute that I couldn't even listen to the next minute.
Spite? Kublai Kahn? Ten.56? Kanine? There's plenty of darker and angrier shit, if you dont see it its because you choose not to.
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some bands are doing it right but I can agree, the deathcore scene has either become goofy or gimicky. There's a band I've been listening to recently that does it right and that's Cultist, the song The Gate of Hell are Locked From the Inside is that raw punchy tone I miss.
Prime example of the seriousness: Will joined Lorna Shore and anything serious about them kind of went down the drain
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I like it all.
Phil is 100% correct but these kids can't handle that shit today. They're all soft.
lol blah blah blah the same old timer shit old people have said every generation.
@@andrewvasquez7872 new generation bad🤬 STOP HAVING FUN!!!
@@Foolproofrex right? And wasnt the idea of being a poser or fake like the worst offense you could make in a genre like this? If Phil is saying everyone should be "scary" then hes basically saying "hey even if youre not scary or into scary shit or hard or angry, just pretend. Dont be genuine in your image".
Okay guys, ever heard about Vitriol?
The start of Deathcore imo took away a lot of the "Scary/intimidating" parts of metal, as did metalcore. I would argue that its for sure coming back now, the bands are maturing as is the music.. Like I much prefer Lorna Shore/Whitechapel having solo's/awesome rhythem sections and melody over breakdowns.
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I agree completely . Heavy music is stale and safe
Behemoth live is scary? Its like metal cirque de soli haha
Sanguisugabogg, Snuffed On Sight, Peeling Flesh, Torture live is scary shit
Whitechapel hasn't been "scary" for a long ass time so I don't know what the hell he's crying about
@@george_denbrough 100%, imagine saying all this and then playing in Whitechapel lol.
good bands
Probably why I cannot get with these new Deathcore bands like the only bands I really got into is SS Whitechapel and Carnifex and Death Metal from what Phil said is dark I've always loved it from the time before I was 20 why I'm such a fan of Cannibal Corpse and watching serial killer documentaries
Why do you have Nergal, a Black Metal artist on the thumbnail of a video about Deathcore?
Because they mentioned Behemoth... ???
I dunno man. I like party vibes in my metal.
BroJob is what SHOULD be missing
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💯% AGREE, NOTHING IS WHAT IT USE TO BE...
I GET IT "TO EACH THEIR OWN...BUT,..
That said..(only my personal opinion) WOKE took that saying "to each their own" and ran with that, DRAGGING it through gravel, to where it's now unrecognizable, shoving the changings in our face...
I mean, come on?...you won't see "cannibal corpse" hitting up taylor swift trying to convince her that the music she has been making and still making, needs to go much HARDER LIKE A BLOODBATH.
Instead, you have all these people coming out the wood works doing everything they can to making LOUD (low)
DARK (bright) HARD (soft)
Changing things that have NEVER BEEN BROKEN. But because IN THEIR OPINION "it's just not right" or "to much!"...they have to mess it up for everyone who were absolutely HAPPY with the way things were already.
The directions they took so many things on INCLUDING MUSIC, has only made many feeling uncomfortable, confused, and unrecognizable. ..
Of course Slayer is not deathcore, but Slayer still has it. Tom really makes you believe that he believes what he is singing.
I feel like this about other genres too, my generation is completely fucked up, nothing is serious anymore and I don't want to compete between who makes the loudest joke, everything is irony these days
Listen to death metal/black metal… the end
Those genres are literally going through the same thing…
I can't think of a single relatable thing a straight death or black metal band has spoken to me. It's all just shock value and hearing about the chill of the Nordic winds or zombie movie cliches just ain't getting it done for me.
Been listening to black metal and death metal since I was 15, and that’s never going to stop. They have some awesome underground death metal bands making their way up
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@@Rob_Cary who 💩in ur cereal dude wtf
hardcore influence is missing
I personally disagree with the take. I always enjoyed what Ben Weinman said about the TDEP: "We don't take ourselves seriously but we do take our music serious". They made the music with the right intention and never complained about any of this petty stuff.
Nobody with half a brain thought Whitechapel was scary or intimidating.
*fun drinking game - take a shot every time he says "like"
Dude looks like Tommy G's dad
"Like"
I think Phil could have said "like" a few more times 😂
I get what he’s saying. It’s like how Marvel ruined most blockbusters today. I want more serious stuff not undercut by too much levity like Dune.
Can’t agree with “Behemoth is dark and terrifying”. Maybe years ago, but the quality of that band has become so diluted…
Man this guy is off the mark on this one. There’s tons of scary and serious acts they just aren’t in core. Core has always felt silly to me. There are tons of malice and scary black metal and death metal acts. Behemoth is the very tip of the ice berg.
What’s Missing In Deathcore Today? Pig squeals and slams
Where did slams go? I remember the days when slam and deathcore were almost indistinguishable in sound and themes.
Eh, I mean If I really like the music I could care less. I love Whitechaple and I’ve seen them live at Mayhem festival awhile back. And no offense to them but they just look like a bunch of cool dudes playing metal on stage. They were nowhere near intimidating lol. But they were definitely serious.