WHITECHAPEL: The First Wave of Deathcore | Garza Podcast 78
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- Garza sits down with Phil Bozeman & Alex Wade from Tennessee deathcore band Whitechapel. whitechapelband.com
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TIME CODES:
00:00 - The Deathcore Pig Squeal, Jonny Davy (Job For a Cowboy), Ross Sewage (Exhumed)
01:52 - Being Part of the First Wave of Deathcore w/ Suicide Silence, Despised Icon, Job for a Cowboy, All Shall Perish; MySpace Days
07:14 - New Generations of Heavy Bands
09:52 - Knoxville, Tennessee Metal Scene
13:14 - What Happened to Krank Amps w/ Dimebag?
15:14 - 2006 MySpace Era
19:35 - When Job For a Cowboy Went Viral, New Viral Moments & Lorna Shore
21:45 - Early Days of Deathcore, Not Being Respected Touring w/ Gwar, Trivium & Hatebreed
25:36 - Phil’s Favorite New Vocalists of Today
27:02 - Supporting Each Other, Ego, Growing Older & Wiser
32:42 - Garza Didn’t Listen to Whitechapel & Working w/ Chino Moreno on “Reprogrammed to Hate” (A New Era of Corruption)
35:15 - Our Endless War
39:14 - Having Three Guitar Players
42:22 - New Whitechapel, Album Trilogies, Future Return to Early Heavy!?
46:04 - Phil is Drawn to the Darkness, Faces of Death & Being Desensitized
51:40 - The Valley & Kin
56:27 - Phil Performing at Mitch Lucker’s Memorial Show
01:04:13 - When Phil Was Ill & Not Doing Well, Going Cold Turkey
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The Red Chord is always left off the list but they were doing it in 1999 before deathcore existed. One of the true OGs.
Lay the tarp!!
Animosity too
Fused together in revolving doors...they ain't core though..they actually were a good band where most these core bands just fuckin blow
@@Daniel_Lynch why are you listening to a deathcore podcast lol
@@bradsnothingspecial It comes up I'm recommended cuz I watched his interview with Glen benton of DEICIDE who definitely ain't core.
I agree Phil's performance of unanswered is iconic🔥🤘
Phil is a genius! He's a brilliant man period.the mix of this band is the best thing to ever happen to metal!.. And then he starts doing clean?! OMG his voice is amazing.
Lambesis performance of wake up is excellent
I always knew Whitechapel were from Tennessee but Phil and Alex’s country accents coming through when they talk throws me every time😂😂😂
They really don't sound that country tbh. If you were in the country country you'd be like wtf
I don't really hear it as much with Phil but I definitely do with Alex haha
Yeah that Southern comin' out strong. Knoxville baby.
@@minuswon they both definitely have country accents. They don't have suuuper strong drawls, but you can hear it pop up with certain words like "I" "but" and "y'all" and then things like "listenen tuh". An accent doesn't need to be super strong and in your face for it to be there!
@metalbabe543 True. I was just meaning they aren't country bumpkin sounding at all. Not that that's a bad thing, but people judge you pretty quickly with that in general. I've lived in rural areas and southern "cities" for about the same amount of time, and the drawl is like the humidity. It just stays 💯
Despised Icon, whitechapel, Suicide Silence, Carnifex, rose funeral, JFAC, veil of maya, winds of plague were all on rotation for me when I was 15-16. That era doesn’t get spoken of enough and the music is just as good as any metal elitist band.
The golden age of deathcore. I still love all of those bands.
Friend showed me Veil of Maya one time and I still remember asking him who the band was, ended up listening to the entire Matriarch album and loved it.
ngl BMTH count your blessings album is also peak
Whitechapel and Suicide Silence 1st albums are deathcore classics.
Id throw in carnifex and chelsea grin and job for a cowboy. All 5 of those bands were my favorites at one time. Still are favorites.
I don't even mean to sound shitty when I say this, but The Somatic Defilement and This is Exile are the only two albums from Whitechapel that I listen to and they, in my opinion, are the epitome of classic deathcore sound.
The old All shall perish too...come on
@@dudelydudeington9789I enjoy all Whitechapel but I agree those two albums are the greatest
@Brunetto46 underrated comment.The Price of Existence is 🤌🏼
Glad to hear Phil say they wanted to put out a heavy record again
I love Phil's memory of riff writing 😂 Alex : Phil wrote a good 4-5 riffs for Kin' Phil: 'Did I? oh yeah?' 🤣
Absolute legends of the genre. Can’t wait to hear this.
It’d be awesome to get JFAC too someday especially nowadays since it seems like they’re planning a comeback
he's interviewed Scott from carnifex!
Jonny is on my list. Would LOVE to go deep w where the JFAC sound came from. -GaЯza
a JFAC episode would be so sick, I've always felt that band didn't get the level of love they deserved
@@ea1622 Oh that’s right I forgot lol
@josephbastidas3561 hearing from the Whole carnifex crew would be pretty sick too, though! 💪
Hearing Phil say he wants to make a scary evil menacing album has me so excited for the next WC album 💀💀💀
The amount these guys talked about JFAC has made me remember how much I want them back. Sun Eater is one of the best death metal albums ever and Johnny is just unreal good
Jfac has a new album; its finished. They announced 1 show in sept
Probably in October or November the new album comes out.
Also Johnny's side project Serpent Of Gnosis.
They are coming to blue ridge rock fest!!! Can’t wait to see them!!!!
@@heraldgreenbanger5488being able to see them was great, then Lorna shore after and sleep token before. Other than that….blue ridge was uhhh a complete shit show 😂😂
3 of the realest guys I've ever met in Metal in one room. This episode is basically christmas to me. Thank you Garza🤘🏻🖤
I remember when Somatic dropped and couldn't comprehend what the fuck was going on. The myspace era really helped feed the family tree of metal.
I have to be honest. In the myspace d-core days, the bands in that corner that I was focusing on were; All Shall Perish, Through The Eyes of The Dead, As Blood Runs Black, The Black Dahlia Murder, Despised Icon, The Red Chord, but I did notice and listen to Jfac, Sui Silence, Whitechapel, Carnifex, The Faceless (akeldama era)... and some Animosity, Burning Skies, The Acacia Strain, Bleed From Within, Bring Me The Horizon, Knights of the Abyss, Annotations Of an Autopsy, Salt The Wound, early After the Burial/Born of Osiris/Veil of Maya.. but now that i listen to this podcast I would pay some money to see as much possible of these bands all together in a mega tour package ! Please consider it if you guys see the opportunity!!! 💥🤘🔥🌪 Europe/USA needs this in post-corona times!
Everyday episode feels like Christmas. Love this podcast ❤.
Damn. Hearing Phil talk about Mitch at 1:01:58 was really moving.
MY TWO FAVORITE BANDS
2:56 I think he's talking about the Red Chord, which is band that gets looked over way too much.
I didn’t know I needed this episode. This was beautiful. Felt like I was in a room with good friends just catching up.
Whitechapel, Job for a Cowboy, and Oceano were my favorite deathcore bands back in the day.
Depths still slaps, FLESHHHHHH
Great interview! Would be cool to see Born of Osiris on the podcast sometime!
This is the real deal. Pure Deathcore.
Deathcore*
The Redchord is probably the prototype deathcore band
The way they showed how big of fans they are of Suicide Silence shows that they have stayed humble even throughout their success. I love these dudes. Solid episode!
So happy how far Whitechapel has come, great musicians. Would love to see Kublai Khan up in the studio.
I hands down think this is the best episode you’ve done! I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. Best Whitechapel interview by far too! I hope there’s a part 2!
Have to love Whitechapel. They make some comment in this interview about not letting ego get in the way. They consistently, seemingly recently, will tour and not be the headliner. They deserve to headline the world. But they don’t care.
They can do no wrong. They just love playing metal for us. Infinitely admirable.
Whitechapel is a such a good band
God, this podcast! The best (and heaviest for sure) of all time! Thank you so much Chris Garza. Please keep on doing this as long as you can
I really appreciate that. Keeping this going every week has been fkn crazy. Taxing on myself TBH. Nothing weed & mushrooms can’t fix tho haha. -GaЯza
When Phil starts talking about Mitch towards the end it gave me chills. Mitch in my opinion is one of the most iconic vocalists in metal period. Phil as well to be completely honest. The two of them have this aura and absolute power and devastation that they bring to the table it’s unmatched.
Travis Ryan is the goat
@@kylemcbrien601 "KINGDOM OF TYRANTS" in his weird ass minions voice.
@@tricksonafixed Tbh his goblin voice might be the best thing I've ever heard. Melodic yet at the same time brutal as hell.
@@allcolorsareentombedinblack I love Time’s Cruel Curtain. His melodic vocal delivery on that song makes it even more brutal alongside what the instrumentation is doing.
Dude I STILL listen to wecamewithbrokenteeth, just put them on the other day! Hearing all of this is so nostalgic. Listened to Suicide, Whitechapel, and JFAC back in 2007/2008 and became completely fixated on metal from there on out. Scoured the internet for more and more metal, absolutely drove my mom mad hahaa. Thanks guys! 🖤
yes sir…they JUST 4 MONTHS AGO put Wecamewithbrokenteeeth on apple music. i’ve been surviving that band from youtube and old burnt cds…but that’s some high school shit
@@user-hw9cj2nu5f omg yeah girl! I have them on a mixed cd I made back in high school, so much fun to listen to! ☺️
Y’all remember Hiroshima Will Burn???? Anyone???
Oh my god, haven’t heard anyone in awhile bring up wecamewithbrokenteeth!
Hope that Chris and the crew could try to get BMTH in for an episode and as well get their take of that early Deathcore years coming from the '04-'05 scene with their Demo going into Count Your Blessings record.
Love Phil's perspective with getting older while loving the metal genre, not the whole scene. Also becoming a dad added more change of mental state from some songs of bands. "It's Evolution!" As Korn and Jonathan Davis once said 😅
I feel like "Our Endless War" is the perfect balance from Whitechapel, for me.
Great episode. I've definitely found that getting older and learning to work WITH the other bands in our local scene rather than everyone scrambling over each other constantly has really helped to build the whole thing up. Rising tides raises all ships and all that. Really looking forward to seeing Whitechapel in Glasgow in December, wish they were headlining though!
Mad respect for the candidness of this conversation. Awesome discussion. Thank you for hosting this, Garza.
This is amazing. I’ve been amazed at how the quality of this podcast popped off so early. Chris is a true professional
Loved this episode!! Amazing to see three icons in the space come together after all those years of animosity, which I hadn't known existed. I was super young when I started listening to deathcore around 2012-13, but SS and whitechapel were always THE bands in the space, and I have nothing but respect for you all. You took that risk and put yourselves out there before it was ever cool or appreciated in any form, but now have the influence and status in the scene to show for it!
Massive thank you to both bands for being apart of my youth and the memories that I have with your music as the soundtrack. Also all the shows I got to be apart seeing you both and other bands of the time. So stoked on this interview 🤘🏼
Grew up in Murfreesboro/Manchester, Tennessee. The only band we had was Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza. Which, lucky to have got to see them play bowling alleys. And then all the local shows. And Whitechapel would also roll through Middle Tennessee at the beginnings. And that's basically all we had. Danza and Whitechapel. All things considered, we were lucky.
I grew up in the Knoxville area and had a lot of family in nashville/murfreesboro. There were also other bands out there like A Plea For Purging, Alcina, Alert The Sky, As Hell Retreats, and some others. But Danza was definitely the one that most people will remember.
Danza was so good. I wish Josh Travis would bring some of that Danza flavor to Emmure.
I saw Danza in Cookeville open for Born of Osiris. Way back in the day.
@@Solemn_Sinner Holy shit I saw Plea at a Murfreesboro church in like ‘06! Andy was the chillest dude after the show!
@@blegh.3403 I saw plea in the Knoxville area the first time before Andy ever joined. I've seen them a bunch. I still keep in contact with their guitarist Blake.
Best episode yet.. part 2 please!
The big 3 of deathcore, at least to me, was always Whitechapel, Suicide Silence, and Chelsea Grin.
Loved this podcast. Thank you for making this happen.
We need a PART 2 of Whitechapel!! Best interview I’ve seen in years!!
"BING BONG BANG"
- Phil Bozeman 2023
That was an incredible view!! Just awesome to listen to & feel that genuine warmth & sadness, commroderie, especially with Mitch. Thanks so much for that!🖤🖤🤘👊🥁🖤
Big praises on Chris for talking about the rivalry between the bands, great pod !!
Love watching these Whitechapel interviews and podcasts. Growing up in the Knoxville area, I met Alex like 3 years before chapel ever came to be. I still listen to one of his old bands, Redwinterdying on a semi-regular basis! Can't wait to hear the new stuff Whitechapel is about to start writing!
This was awesome to see and listen to. Coming from the same generation, it was really sweet to hear. Big love guys! 🤘🏼🖤✨
awesome interview love both bands. Glad to see the guys all get along
So crazy to see these two discuss the origins of discovering the sound they ended up pulling me in with. The first bands I ever really listened to that were "deathcore" or at least didn't have any clean vocals and had breakdowns were Whitechapel, Carnifex, and Oceano. I'm glad that so many of these bands have stuck around and even the people who were inspiring them as well. I still love to listen to Whitechapel all the time to this day. Mostly old, but the newer albums have been growing on me a lot lately.
Loved the conversation. Cheers 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
We need Jonny Davey on the podcast now. 🤘🏼
I’m so pumped to find a podcast for hardcore/ deathcore kids. I feel so included rn.
Well worth the wait. Favorite podcast from Garza hands down
Whitechapel is by far one of my favorite bands of all time. Phil is the absolute best and one of my biggest inspirations in screaming. So excited for this!
I think the band they're talking about at the start that formed in 99 has to be The Red Chord
It's so awesome to hear them reference JFAC and All Shall Perish
Warped Tour 2010 in Toronto, I saw SS and White Chapel play, got a picture with Mitch and came home to find out Alex from Despised Icon was staring into the camera from the back of the SS tent. Despised Icon didn't even play that year, so I guess he just came to hang out lol. Awesome to hear Phil shouting them out still too, they don't show up in the big name discussions as often as they should.
Phil speaks my language..there’s a reason why I idolize this dude and when he mentions your roots calling back to you just hit me. I’ve been out of practice on my vocals and just music in general. Now I’ve recently started making a home studio and finally getting around to learning guitar bc even at 30 years old I still have that passion to do it and I’ve let life get in the way for too long and now I’m getting back to what made me who I am today. I won’t stop until I make the most brutal fucking music that I can be proud of. Whitechapel will always be the goat’s of metal. 🤘
Stoked on this one. Love that y’all pinned Ross as one of the prototypes for the deathcore gutturals. Dude is absolutely a big blueprint.
it was cool to hear Phil in this longform conversation.
Thanks Garza! 🤘
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The fact that Phil is excited to write HEAVY shit again just makes my heart so happy. Can’t freaking WAIT!!! Also fingers crossed for a Whitechapel and Suicide Silence coheadline tour for 2024!!!!
Garza this podcast is going to be so fire tonight at work!! Thank Garza you're forever and always the goat 🤘
This is so cool 😎 seeing Garza Podcast with Alex and Phil 🤘🤘 thank you Garza and Phil and Alex for doing this !!! So inspiring and cool to see the 2 GOATS of deathcore talk about literally everything 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I'm definitely an OG deathcore fan, I was in high school when Suicide Silence, Whitechapel etc. were just starting out and I definitely remember deathcore not being "cool" or "real metal." I've grown up with the genre and the OG bands, and while I'm not really a fan of deathcore anymore and most of the newer bands aside from a select few. I still love and follow a lot of the OG bands, and I absolutely love the new direction Whitechapel has taken in recent years with the incorporation of clean vocals and stuff as it aligns more with my current taste in metal. But I'm not going to lie, hearing them say that they're inspired to write some super heavy and dark stuff on the next record has me too damn excited! Honestly all of you guys have made a positive impact on my life and have given me so many great memories over the years. So thank you, and here's to many more years of Suicide Silence and Whitechapel doing their thing and killing it! 🍻🔪🤘
Crazy listening to you guys talk about a time that was fucking amazing for me as well as a fan. I was a kid and my dad brought me to the 2010 tour for A New Era of Corruption and it's still one of my best memories. Such a magical time for the genre and being a kid in it. Only band missing from that legendary tour was Suicide Silence. Whitechapel and Suicide Silence changed my world man, thanks for doing this episode.
Bring Despised Icon and Job for a Cowboy , that would be fn awesome 🙏🙌
Hearing Phil say he has the itch to write heavy again has me very very very very very very excited! PLEASE!
I love the boys in whitechapel so much they are all amazing and I've listened to them for so long now since this is exile! I love all their stuff but sm really excited to hear Phil say he wants to write some real evil nasty heavy shit!!
OH MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS MY TWO FAVES FINALLY ON HERE TOGETHER! you suicide silence and whitechapel r in my top 5 fave deathcore / heavy music bands friggen ever !!! So amazing to see you guys chat. Love you!!! HELL YERR TO THIS!!!
Such a killer podcast. Hearing Phil open up in a personal stance really hit home for me. I'm in the age group of all of you so there was a ton of nostalgia hearing these conversations. TY Whitechapel and Suicide for being the roadmap for this genre. Sooooo pumped for the new stuff and hope for both a massive success. PS tour together and come to Florida
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Dude forever been wanting on this one🤘Hell yea Garza best metal podcast hands down🤘
One of the greatest bands to EVER do it. Cant believe you guys were rivals, but it makes sense. You're both prolific, genre-defining bands. Also, I love everything from Somatic to Kin and people need to stop expecting bands to keep putting out the same album over and over again.
Part two needed! Thanks Garza
Just got hip to this band. Wow
47 old man and I’m blown away
Amazing one. Love Phil. This really deserves a second part
This was an awesome interview. Didn’t even feel like an interview just 3 dudes sitting around chilling and reminiscing 👌🏻
Saw both these bands at Warp Tour in 2011 and was blown away by the intensity and musicianship
Great podcast! Thoroughly enjoyed this since there’s not a ton of podcasts/interviews out there with Whitechapel.
Whitechapel absolutely slays! You 3 could write some crazy music together! Would be insane!
Also, just saw Whitechapel on this tour and they were unreal! Their sound was ON POINT! A New Era of Corruption is my favorite Whitechapel album as well!
Sic idea actually. -GaЯza
Listened to WC all through late high school - even started a band and wanted to be like Phil. Fell out of the "Deathcore" scene a few years after and randomly came across "Kin" and man what a life changing album. Love the direction, and love how these dudes are still doing so well.
This is my favorite episode so far.
Saw Whitechapel live at Mayhem fest and these dudes brought the heat! Awesome episode
Best podcast out, shout out to Garza, such a chill dude
The Somatic Defilement is for me, the most lyrically impressive deathcore album of all time and as a whole my favourite deathcore album of all time. I would absolutely love a UK tour where you play that album in it's entirety. It would print money, guaranteed.
Garza should try a Podcast with Josh Brainard and Anders coselfini, it would be interesting to know the stories of these guys, they never had space or a voice in the media, they helped Slipknot a lot in the beginning and they don't get the attention they deserve.
Whitechapel to this day is the greatest live show I've ever seen. Saw them in 2010 here in Alaska
Such a good episode Garza! It was good to hear about the rivalry between your bands. Did not know that.
Hey Chris this podcast is sick, glad it popped up on my feed 🤙🏼
This was great! Cheers dude!
still listen to Invocation of Nehek to this day. Discovering that band in 2004 was crazy. Insane to hear them brought up on this podcast
When they were talking about the noisy electronic grind bands, I was hoping they'd bring up the berzerker lol they were ridiculous
ION was insane especially the demo. At one point/time are they brought up?
12:47 I was 14 (33 now) My first time seeing Whitechapel. It was a local show and never heard of them before but me and my friends liked the name. It was at Rockettown in the coffee lounge (very small room and maybe 35 kids) and I believe they opened with fairy fay. And that just set the tone for the whole night. We couldn’t believe what we were witnessing. I’ll remember that for the rest of my life. 😊
Why Whitechapel was regarded as one of the big 4 deathcore bands is because they represented the "East coast" deathcore scene!!! They even said it themselves... All the bands they mentioned where located on the West Coast!!! My high school band was one of the earliest deathcore bands in my area. I had Krank gear!!! My band was called "Wolves Among Sheep".
Alex with the TTEOTD reference!!!
My introduction to deathcore was Whitechapel’s This Is Exile & Suicide Silence’s The Cleansing. Those 2 albums will always be the golden GOATs for me, and still listen to religiously. This podcast episode makes the high school version of me so happy 🖤
niceeee. I randomly did a relisten of the self titled last week. i always go back and forth on if I like that or this is exile the best. I couldnt really get into the two albums that came before the valley but other than those two, I've been pretty satisfied with their whole discography. Phil's ability to do spitfire lyrics in one breath is very impressive also.
Yes!! I have been waiting for this one!! 🤘🏻🤘🏻
Can’t wait to listen to this one!
This was a great interview 🤘 I definitely respect phill and both bands as well!! 💙🔥🔥🔥
Thank you Chris, nice episode 🤌👊
Cheers from France 🇫🇷