Its crazy how things come full circle. Now, we have diehard fans of the early days of deathcore crapping on newer acts in the deathcore/metalcore scene for differing from the traditional deathcore bands in what they aim to do musically. Its just an endless cycle of people who want to crap on what the people 10 years younger than them do. I feel like thats been going on in the world of heavy music since at least the 80s.
“I used to be with it. But then they changed what it was. Now, what I’m with isn’t it. And what’s it seems weird and scary to me. It’ll happen to you.” - Thomas Jefferson
There is good new Dethcore, like spite, bodysnatcher, Traitors. A lot of dc bands sound generic and lame, making monster noises and snorting in to the mic over overproduced instrumentals.
@ax4encrypted even as a vocalist myself, I agree with the 2nd part of what you said. I'm not into the bands you listed because they are definitely more on the core side than the metal side to the point where they are more so down tempo to me. I like hardcore bands aswell, but in deathcore, I definitely favor the more metal ones :winds of plague, shadow of intent signs of the swarm, ov sulfur, etc.
The disrespect towards Deathcore is so weird, like it was "fake metal". It was not radio friendly commercial stuff, in fact, it pushed the limits of extreme metal even further.
It was WILD back then. There really wasn't camaraderie between bands at all, it was more of a competition at venues... The early 2k's when deathcore and metalcore were blowing up were odd times.
@@CorporalSteiner1945 Got it you're scared of anything heavy. Go listen to Megadeath dork. Real metalhead are in the gym and in the pit. Stay on warcraft before you get knocked out
Who the hell cares? Isn’t that what it’s always been about? When I first met Suicide Silence it was head first, no idea what I was expecting. I was there first Korn with a vip acoustic set in Miami Beach at the Fillmore, man I fell in love! This was almost 20 years ago. You won my heart and soul.
That's one of the things that did it for me. People assuming I liked all their shitty deathcore bands because I had on a death metal shirt. I think people finally realize the difference now though.
@@patman4161 it took me awhile to get the difference as well I was a fan of the first wave of deathcore, that got me into death metal and where I am today. but history is repeating itself, now hardcore bands are jumping on the popularity of DM and making heavy influenced hardcore DM lol that’s the new deathcore in my eyes and isn’t death metal imo!
Those fu**ing metalheads are dumb as fu**. 99% of metalheads are closed-minded. There is nothing wrong with deathcore if it is done right! I love both hardcore and death metal, and y'all need to open your f***ing minds. Who cares if deathcore, metalcore, or nu-metal isn't metal? I would rather listen to a band that does something original and creative, like Korn did in 1994 with their first record, than any of those sh**ty metal bands that did the same exact thing. Knocked Loose is doing something different. What's happening to metal? Nothing, it is boring, stale, and unoriginal. That's why bands like Faith No More, Korn, Mr. Bungle, Primus, Earth Crisis, Integrity, Fear Factory, Suffocation, Pantera, etc. were ahead of the curve in the 90s, while bands like Metallica, Slayer, and Anthrax were drifting away. Whether you like those bands or not, they brought something unique and different.
I have never really liked death core and I don't remember "true" metalheads ever having any type of social clout I have always been around deathcore being the popular thing. And my freshman year was 96. You guys are great musicians and you worked hard. Nothing but respect. I am just not into being all super down about people playing music I don't like even though they are good. Because you guys are and you do it because you love it nobody got into this because they didn't love it even if it was kind of popular or is. It would not be worth playing music if you did not absolutely just feel it and love it you know.
Deathcore was disrespected because it was flaunted as "the most brutal shit ever"by people who always hated on metal and never even heard Brutal Death Metal. It was praised by people who never liked metal in the 1st place, the people who would crap on metal and listen to pop punk, emo, and rap...these were the same kids who later became the deathcore fans. If you tried to talk to these people about even the most basic mainstream BDM or even just Death Metal bands, they looked at you like deer in the headlights. Even more annoying is when so and so would come up to you and say "I see you like that hard shit! You must like White Chapel, right bro?" And you tell them "No" and they get all confused.
Lol dude I couldn’t have said better myself, I remember high school with those types of rejects 😂 On a more serious note… the biggest reason I never liked Deathcore was because of its stagnation and lack of creativity. In the 20+ years of its official existence, nothing has really changed, it’s the same old chug chug bree bree bullshit. Hell, even Nu-Metal pumped out more diversity.
Man i remeber those youtube videos called "Br0tal deathcore breakdowns" and they were usually the shittiest breakdown full of 0's and a random ahh mario sample in the middle of it lmao
The thing is that the people who are into the first piece of metal, do not respect modern metal enough. Some like to say it’s not real metal. Yeah deathcore sounds a little more different and more brutal but it’s a growth. We cannot stay in the same place forever. Plus they don’t even realize the modern bands are inspired by the old thrash and death metal bands. Metallica was the first metal band I listened to and year by year, I got into heavier music. Metal needs to grow, not stay the same forever. And this isn’t a statement that the older stuff needs to die. The genre needs to expand more and find more things to do with it. It’s fine to stay in the era you are brought up in, but to judge and call the older stuff “real” metal. Then, it looks like they can grow physically and not mentally. But we can’t please everyone, and the best thing to do is not caring about what others think about you.
we never neaded deathcore we already had brutal death metal which is leagues better in musicianship and brutality. no one liked deathcore because it was just lazy breakdowns and dog shit sounding vocals. metal doesn't need to grow, just look at powertrip, they play old school thrash metal and made something fresh out of it and it blew everything else away. this idea that metal needs to progress is a joke.
Por alla en el 2010, yo era un especie de "influencer" (antes de que eso existiera) porque basicamente creaba fanpages de "x banda en venezuela" y las llenaba de contenido, videos y todo eso, con eso me gane la oportunidad de conocer a suicide silence y the devil wears prada, intente tambien con the black dahlia, walls of jericho, job for a cowboy y eso pero la economia fue desmejorando y fue cada vez mas complicado, ademas yo vivia en un pueblo lejos de la capital y basicamente tenia que dormir en cualquier lado para poder ir a verlos lol. Una de esas paginas era justamente Whitechapel y siempre deseamos verlos en vivo, algunos amigos han emigrado y han podido verlos, yo aun mantengo la fe. He tenido varias bandas y ahorita estoy en proceso de entrar en una mas o menos reconocida aquí. Espero poder lograrlo.
People really thought sepmthing was wrong with me for listening to Whitechapel in highschool. Started in middle school and that concern only got worse as time wemt on and i got deeper into all types of metal
The simplest way i can put is that the original concepts of death metal were all about being inaccessible - non-accessible. It was intended to be music that repulsed anyone trendy and attracted only those with extreme tastes. Deathcore came along and made it accessible and that was what made the old guard dislike it. At the end of the day, do what you do and like what you like. But you can't act like deathcore pushed extreme music further or added anything to it by inserting the same brocore JUMPTHEFUCKUP breakdown in every single song.
Can't stand deathcore or the fanbase. Some death metal with hardcore in it is good(Dying Fetus). Also dig the underground brutal death metal bands with hardcore beatdowns. Even basic OS death metal bands had some breakdowns, but they were actually good, with good song writing and riffage. Something about Deathcore just sounds fake and plastic. The breakdowns aren't even good. It's just chug for the sake of chug, double bass for the sake of double bass, wannabe toughguy vocals, and the in between riffs are garbage.
Chugga chugga bree bree. Repeat and repeat some more. Yeah, it’s pretty bland shit. As you said, the fans are the worst thing about the genre/scene. They were cringe AF in high school and they’re even more now.
I don't respect it because their fans have no respect for the real shit, and it's a bastardized version of death metal for mainstream music fans, that often gets confused/lumped in with actual death metal. That, and people claim it's the heaviest stuff ever made, when it's not. BDM bands and OSDM bands are heavier without even trying.
Exactly, I mean dude… Slipknot’s Iowa album pisses all over Deathcore, in terms of brutality and intensity. Against old school DM or BDM? No fucking chance ever. To top off the fans were mostly a bunch of emos that didn’t know any of the real stuff. I hung out with some of these people in HS, talking about music was hilarious 😂
I always had respect and enjoyed death metal and other sub genres like tech death,black metal and others , but leaned towards deathcore because of the breakdowns.but yeah we were completely different cultures for sure what we dressed like and other music we liked outside of the heavy heavy stuff. When some fests showed bands from both I always saw animosity and name calling between the groups which wasn’t cool but that’s just how people are ,deff wasn’t all us disrespecting yall tho.
@sole__doubt I did I didn't look at as dumb subgenre from Carnifex EP to Wings of plagues EP The Acacia Strain Despised icon Whitechapel Suicide Silence Job For a Cowboy I loved all that shit even The Red Chord which was proto Deathcore The Red Chord was the first Deathcore band I listened to and I loved it all
People do respect deathcore. It's just the metalheads who don't. Deathcore bands would be better off touring with Warped Tour bands instead of death metal. More Blink 182 and Bring Me the Horizon fans like deathcore than metal heads.
I always found early deathcore hate funny, all these bands took melodeath and brutal death metal, sprinkled some good production, breakdowns and the scene aesthetic in and somehow it was an upfront to metal ?? I got first into DM and then DxC but I was also actively listening pop and rap music so wtf do I know.
Let's just say that deathcore and death metal in 2007-2010, the fans did not get along well lol. I watched scene kids try to hardcore dance at a cannibal corpes show on the kill tour. Those kids got whooped and kicked out of the concert 😂
I was 14 when TwinkCore first came out. Blew up all over MTV. Suddenly people who never liked metal, and used to make fun of Metal, claimed to be metal heads. Many of them never even heard of Cannibal Corpse. They came from the Emo, Pop Punk, Nu Metal and Rap scenes. It was for the mainstream normies and trendies. Not True Metal in spirit.
@@aspirationrecords Dude this is coming from someone who’s 25… you’re cringe and you sound like you’re 12 or something. Go back to your formula bottle.
The most exciting bands in the deathcore scene right now are the ones that don't purely write deathcore: modern Whitechapel, Shadow of Intent, Fit For An Autopsy. Some other bands are cool too: Spite and their groove, Brand of Sacrifice with their over the top theatrical and electronic sounds, I really like To The Grave too. Even if I don't agree completely with their message, their song-writing is very creative at times. Angelmaker have some awesome songs as well - Vengeance, Leech, Bloodthirstier.
Funny seeing fans of old school death metal and thrash etc. Shit on deathcore since its way heavier and has more balls than any of those genres combined. Speed isnt heavy it just sounds cool for a bit groove is whats heavy and deathcore has it in spades as well as vocalists who sound like they could rip you apart and could if you fucked with them
I imagine what Metalcore/Deathcore did to metal is akin to what Americans did to Dubstep in the early 2010s and I don't blame the OGs at all for not respecting it,, they took something that only a select few people knew about most of whom spent their entire lives painstakingly assembling a very unique sound that would never happen if not for having grown up in the cultural melting pot that was South London in the late 90s and transformed it into a soulless steaming heap of garbage that exaggerated some of its more distinct features in an attempt to make it more digestable to younger audiences but unlike metal dubstep hadn't being around for long enough for it to survive its initial crash from popularity and it never fully recovered so I guess just he grateful for bands like Judas Priest and Metallica or these guys could have seriously done some damage to it's reputation.
I hate deathcore with a passion. Growing up in Moreno Valley/perris/riverside area in 04-07 playing shows being in a death metal band playing with nothing but deathcore with silly names and generic sound that sounded the same. Respect for all the success but I never understood it I guess
@@joshforeman1648 fair to say. I just never understood deathcore. Mind you I like hardcore and obliviously I love death metal but for me the 2 genres don’t work together.
Yeah i know quite a few ppl that never listened to deathcore but heard lorna shore with will ramos and now they think they are the greatest deathcore band alive
Deathcore sucks. Started as basically emo bands trying to sound tough/brootal and dumbed down 2 genres of music in the process . Most of them would cry about how their girlfriend some way screwed them over and them getting revenge (gory lyrics). Lame af
@@rodentsnatch I agree. Deathcore blows. I stick to death metal which is real metal and deathcore is the bastard child of wanting to be something it's not. It's neither metal or hardcore at all. It's rubbish!
What really sucks is that Deathcore should be awesome, because it’s literally Death Metal mixed with Hardcore… and we all know that’s not what we have. This crap that blew up idk what it is, I’ve been calling chug/bree core for the past 10 years.
The initial wave of Deathcore were kids who went from punk rock > emo > modern hardcore into deathcore.. And at the time they were kind of seen as fakes in the metal scene, a lot of the bands were playing breakdowns because they couldn't do solos or anything interesting.. But now we're seeing amazing writing/solos/cool time signitures and complex passages, and we have seen that for a while now. Now I see Deathcore and Death metal as basically being the same genre but slightly different flares in each. But gladly its where it should be now, and welcomed under the metal banner.
@@roach5606 I don't think so, the difference in both genres is like comparing two Melodic Death metal bands together.. Like Black Dahlia Murder/In Flames/Dark Tranq/Scar Symmetry/Be'lakor ect are all so different sound wise.. but all find themselves under the Melo Death lable.
@@roach5606 what didn't you understand? Bands sound different. Devin Townsends Casualty of Cool is a country album, sounds nothing like Kasey Chambers or Billy Ray Cyrus. Cannibal Corpse also sound very different to Cattle Decapitation and Phycroptic. I just don't think these sub genres are too apart from each other in 2024.
@@roach5606 the acacia strain, filth, dead reckoning, fit for an autopsy, god hand. Maybe they blast beat rarely, but I'm not going to listen to a lot of a chugcore discography to see if they ever blast beat. And there's certainly no death metal riffs.
I don't hate deathcore, but I'm annoyed by it. Enough with these stupid pig squeals, dinosaur noises, and boring-a$$ breakdowns with no groove. Y'all sound the effing same! Try something different. I welcome musicians who can push the envelope of music, no matter what genre it is. When I think about breakdowns, I think of Pantera's Domination, Slayer's Reigning Blood, ADTR's Mr. Highway's Thinking About the End, Suffocation's Liege of Inveracity, or any metallic-hardcore bands from the 90s. To me, those are breakdowns. Those breakdowns have a purpose, a groove, etc. You cannot convince me enough that Lorna Shore's To the Hellfire's breakdown is awesome... that stupid dinosaur's noise is pathetic. Vocally, impressive. Give me a deathcore band that have awesome riffs, groovy breakdowns, and vocally doesn't rely solely on those stupid pig squeals and dinosaur noises.
Sorry but I still don't respect it and never will, it's trend hopping fairy music Deathcore is just another Emo sub genre, None of them liked Death metal but as soon as the Emo hair guys started playing this similar style it was all of a sudden 'cool'. It's what all these 'Elder Emo's' love to listen to now, I can't stand it..... Now its even slowly slithering its ways into Black/Death metal festivals like some terminal cancer.
Dm sucks balls. Theres no talent. Core all day any day every day. "True" metal is for greasy bearded curly long haired old chubsters. Belongs in the past
Still hilarious that kids get into Metal music and decide to spew the same "Deathcore sucks!" rhetoric even though they were a toddler when it was a bigger scene. Its like shitting on Ska. Congrats, you have a Maiden Trooper shirt and a denim jacket with a "Ride The Lightning" backpatch bought from Amazon and yell "SLAAAAAAAAAYER" and think Death and CC are "Underground". Let me guess, you're going to ask who my favorite of "The Big Three" are and talk about how Metallica sold out with "The Black Album". Oh yes, all your other classmates listen to Taylor Swift while you listen to "Rust in Peace", you're so unique and different, kid.
Despised icon and beneath the Massacre were some of the first dearhcore bands, but there were not enough bands to call it a wave till the younger, Less technical, American bands came along. There's even an interview with the vocalist of beneath the Massacre saying, "when us and despised icon came out, people started calling us deathcore.... then a bunch of sh*tty bands started claiming deathcore and we didn't eat to be called that anymore ".
Deathcore was definitely the new kid on the block. The issue I seen was promoters adding DC acts as openers for like BM shows or GC shows. I remember like black dahlia murder opening for behemoth. Seemed an odd choice but whatever. Then the HXC bands started opening and the audience is a different vibe altogether. Ever been to a metal show? you should know what I'm talking about. I have a deep respect for DC now. Like any metal genre you gotta jump in, take your lumps, earn the respect and then like all ageing metal heads, acceptance eventually comes.
Bro, I live in Oklahoma. If I would have seen someone disrespect the best deathcore band I would have delt with it. 2012 I was 22. I definitely would have.
I don't want to get political here you're kind of reminding me of a certain cult that acts like they speak for everyone while only being like 30% of people at best lol
Are all the big gear brands, festivals and business men injecting money into the Deathcore shows/records/labels run by 15 year olds? 😂 you're pathetic homie.
Nobody? Jackson guitars, ESP guitars, Nuclear Blast Records, Metal Blade Records, they all support Deathcore acts...yeah, nobody cares for Deathcore....
Its crazy how things come full circle. Now, we have diehard fans of the early days of deathcore crapping on newer acts in the deathcore/metalcore scene for differing from the traditional deathcore bands in what they aim to do musically. Its just an endless cycle of people who want to crap on what the people 10 years younger than them do. I feel like thats been going on in the world of heavy music since at least the 80s.
“I used to be with it. But then they changed what it was. Now, what I’m with isn’t it. And what’s it seems weird and scary to me. It’ll happen to you.” - Thomas Jefferson
There is good new Dethcore, like spite, bodysnatcher, Traitors. A lot of dc bands sound generic and lame, making monster noises and snorting in to the mic over overproduced instrumentals.
New deathcore is undeniably worse though. It's not as good, it's more respected now because it's been neutered
@ax4encrypted even as a vocalist myself, I agree with the 2nd part of what you said. I'm not into the bands you listed because they are definitely more on the core side than the metal side to the point where they are more so down tempo to me. I like hardcore bands aswell, but in deathcore, I definitely favor the more metal ones :winds of plague, shadow of intent signs of the swarm, ov sulfur, etc.
The disrespect towards Deathcore is so weird, like it was "fake metal". It was not radio friendly commercial stuff, in fact, it pushed the limits of extreme metal even further.
Really it's bc it got popular, girls liked it, and it was heavier than everything but BDM
I remember when joining a band, being asked if I liked Deathcore was a trick question... lol
Getting spit on because of the genre your music is, is ridiculous. Dude should have gotten bodied for that one
LOL
Its still happening in this comment section 😂
Good.
@@Jackson-ij5um nope
Very good
You will never hear the end of it and rightfully so.
@@wesleywarsmith1113 i disagree
It was WILD back then. There really wasn't camaraderie between bands at all, it was more of a competition at venues... The early 2k's when deathcore and metalcore were blowing up were odd times.
Lots of normies and non metal listening people respect deathcore. It's the metal fans who disrespect it.
It’s only a certain kind of metalhead.
@@ax0execute It's most of them. I'm one of them
@@CorporalSteiner1945 Nah just the internet basement dwellers that collect cds and play warcraft. Dorks.
@@ax0execute Says the superhero weebo. Metal fans do collect cds. I know deathcore fans usually don't.
@@CorporalSteiner1945 Got it you're scared of anything heavy. Go listen to Megadeath dork. Real metalhead are in the gym and in the pit. Stay on warcraft before you get knocked out
Who the hell cares? Isn’t that what it’s always been about? When I first met Suicide Silence it was head first, no idea what I was expecting. I was there first Korn with a vip acoustic set in Miami Beach at the Fillmore, man I fell in love! This was almost 20 years ago. You won my heart and soul.
What's hilarious is a metal elitist spitting at Whitechapel AT A TRIVIUM SHOW
For some reason it's hard to imagine a fan of Gwar being an elitist 🤣🤔
Heavy Metal from outer space is not Dethcore
Funny, my introduction to Whitechapel was at the Trivium show back then in Columbus. Now I'm a HUGE fan of them
They suck.
Crazy that happened at Diamond! I live here in Oklahoma and ill be there for the Lorna and Whitechapel show. Metal scene is HUGE here rn.
Not crazy to see that happening at all. Most people in the metal scene hate deathcore.
Still don’t. Like your interviews though, keep it up!
The thing that pisses off metalheads is people calling deathcore death metal.
That's one of the things that did it for me. People assuming I liked all their shitty deathcore bands because I had on a death metal shirt. I think people finally realize the difference now though.
@@patman4161 it took me awhile to get the difference as well I was a fan of the first wave of deathcore, that got me into death metal and where I am today. but history is repeating itself, now hardcore bands are jumping on the popularity of DM and making heavy influenced hardcore DM lol that’s the new deathcore in my eyes and isn’t death metal imo!
Those fu**ing metalheads are dumb as fu**. 99% of metalheads are closed-minded. There is nothing wrong with deathcore if it is done right! I love both hardcore and death metal, and y'all need to open your f***ing minds. Who cares if deathcore, metalcore, or nu-metal isn't metal? I would rather listen to a band that does something original and creative, like Korn did in 1994 with their first record, than any of those sh**ty metal bands that did the same exact thing. Knocked Loose is doing something different. What's happening to metal? Nothing, it is boring, stale, and unoriginal. That's why bands like Faith No More, Korn, Mr. Bungle, Primus, Earth Crisis, Integrity, Fear Factory, Suffocation, Pantera, etc. were ahead of the curve in the 90s, while bands like Metallica, Slayer, and Anthrax were drifting away. Whether you like those bands or not, they brought something unique and different.
Deathcore is better
I have never really liked death core and I don't remember "true" metalheads ever having any type of social clout I have always been around deathcore being the popular thing. And my freshman year was 96. You guys are great musicians and you worked hard. Nothing but respect. I am just not into being all super down about people playing music I don't like even though they are good. Because you guys are and you do it because you love it nobody got into this because they didn't love it even if it was kind of popular or is. It would not be worth playing music if you did not absolutely just feel it and love it you know.
Deathcore was disrespected because it was flaunted as "the most brutal shit ever"by people who always hated on metal and never even heard Brutal Death Metal. It was praised by people who never liked metal in the 1st place, the people who would crap on metal and listen to pop punk, emo, and rap...these were the same kids who later became the deathcore fans. If you tried to talk to these people about even the most basic mainstream BDM or even just Death Metal bands, they looked at you like deer in the headlights. Even more annoying is when so and so would come up to you and say "I see you like that hard shit! You must like White Chapel, right bro?" And you tell them "No" and they get all confused.
Lol dude I couldn’t have said better myself, I remember high school with those types of rejects 😂 On a more serious note… the biggest reason I never liked Deathcore was because of its stagnation and lack of creativity. In the 20+ years of its official existence, nothing has really changed, it’s the same old chug chug bree bree bullshit. Hell, even Nu-Metal pumped out more diversity.
Exaclty. They confuse technicality with brutality. Autopsy is not technical or fast ,yet more BRUTAL then any deathcore band.
That's how i felt about these TikTok Zoomers lol
Man i remeber those youtube videos called "Br0tal deathcore breakdowns" and they were usually the shittiest breakdown full of 0's and a random ahh mario sample in the middle of it lmao
@@odinsire3879 YES
The thing is that the people who are into the first piece of metal, do not respect modern metal enough. Some like to say it’s not real metal. Yeah deathcore sounds a little more different and more brutal but it’s a growth. We cannot stay in the same place forever. Plus they don’t even realize the modern bands are inspired by the old thrash and death metal bands. Metallica was the first metal band I listened to and year by year, I got into heavier music. Metal needs to grow, not stay the same forever. And this isn’t a statement that the older stuff needs to die. The genre needs to expand more and find more things to do with it. It’s fine to stay in the era you are brought up in, but to judge and call the older stuff “real” metal. Then, it looks like they can grow physically and not mentally. But we can’t please everyone, and the best thing to do is not caring about what others think about you.
we never neaded deathcore we already had brutal death metal which is leagues better in musicianship and brutality. no one liked deathcore because it was just lazy breakdowns and dog shit sounding vocals. metal doesn't need to grow, just look at powertrip, they play old school thrash metal and made something fresh out of it and it blew everything else away. this idea that metal needs to progress is a joke.
@@EMG81xTHRASHER 😂 Help, get the firefighters, someone’s stuck…In old fashioned ways.
Deathcore isn't more brutal though. That's not why people hate it. Brutal Death Metal from the early 2,000s is more brutal than any deathcore.
@@EagleHeart19 Hey it’s what your ears hear. Deathcore and the older death metal are both brutal in my opinion.
The only people who think deathcore is more brutal are people who never heard brutal death metal.
Por alla en el 2010, yo era un especie de "influencer" (antes de que eso existiera) porque basicamente creaba fanpages de "x banda en venezuela" y las llenaba de contenido, videos y todo eso, con eso me gane la oportunidad de conocer a suicide silence y the devil wears prada, intente tambien con the black dahlia, walls of jericho, job for a cowboy y eso pero la economia fue desmejorando y fue cada vez mas complicado, ademas yo vivia en un pueblo lejos de la capital y basicamente tenia que dormir en cualquier lado para poder ir a verlos lol. Una de esas paginas era justamente Whitechapel y siempre deseamos verlos en vivo, algunos amigos han emigrado y han podido verlos, yo aun mantengo la fe.
He tenido varias bandas y ahorita estoy en proceso de entrar en una mas o menos reconocida aquí. Espero poder lograrlo.
People really thought sepmthing was wrong with me for listening to Whitechapel in highschool. Started in middle school and that concern only got worse as time wemt on and i got deeper into all types of metal
Hope you outgrew this cringe genre. I never even got into it, since all the edgy emos at my HS were into bland crap like this.
@@Divine_Serpent_Geh you like your own comments
@@totalcomputerdependency🤣
@@totalcomputerdependency Actually no. I’m sorry it burns that people agree with what I said 😆
@@Divine_Serpent_Geh Everyone, notice how there are no likes on the comment this guy posted after I pointed out his behavior
And now, every new band went to deathcore
Probably why no new metal bands are worth listening to.
@@sole__doubtyeah pretty much
And like, like, like, like
The simplest way i can put is that the original concepts of death metal were all about being inaccessible - non-accessible. It was intended to be music that repulsed anyone trendy and attracted only those with extreme tastes.
Deathcore came along and made it accessible and that was what made the old guard dislike it.
At the end of the day, do what you do and like what you like. But you can't act like deathcore pushed extreme music further or added anything to it by inserting the same brocore JUMPTHEFUCKUP breakdown in every single song.
I played in a deathcore band, it still isn't cool. Everyone wants to be in a hardcore band.
Thanks Knocked Loose 😂
Who the hell cares what's cool? Just listen to the music you enjoy or play the music you enjoy and say to hell with the haters.
@@pyroboy417 loL yes
Well i really wanna sing in a deathcore band ,no one invite
Sad to see bands like despised icon and through the eyes of the dead just be put to the waste side is absolutely wild to me.
They suck.
Can't stand deathcore or the fanbase. Some death metal with hardcore in it is good(Dying Fetus). Also dig the underground brutal death metal bands with hardcore beatdowns. Even basic OS death metal bands had some breakdowns, but they were actually good, with good song writing and riffage. Something about Deathcore just sounds fake and plastic. The breakdowns aren't even good. It's just chug for the sake of chug, double bass for the sake of double bass, wannabe toughguy vocals, and the in between riffs are garbage.
Chugga chugga bree bree. Repeat and repeat some more. Yeah, it’s pretty bland shit. As you said, the fans are the worst thing about the genre/scene. They were cringe AF in high school and they’re even more now.
Slam is the exact same thing though.
You haters can now kiss 😂 you guys are just stating your opinions, opinions that men who kiss other men have.
I don't respect it because their fans have no respect for the real shit, and it's a bastardized version of death metal for mainstream music fans, that often gets confused/lumped in with actual death metal. That, and people claim it's the heaviest stuff ever made, when it's not. BDM bands and OSDM bands are heavier without even trying.
Exactly, I mean dude… Slipknot’s Iowa album pisses all over Deathcore, in terms of brutality and intensity. Against old school DM or BDM? No fucking chance ever.
To top off the fans were mostly a bunch of emos that didn’t know any of the real stuff. I hung out with some of these people in HS, talking about music was hilarious 😂
I always had respect and enjoyed death metal and other sub genres like tech death,black metal and others , but leaned towards deathcore because of the breakdowns.but yeah we were completely different cultures for sure what we dressed like and other music we liked outside of the heavy heavy stuff. When some fests showed bands from both I always saw animosity and name calling between the groups which wasn’t cool but that’s just how people are ,deff wasn’t all us disrespecting yall tho.
People need to realize the kids don’t care. I wish they did but they don’t.
Metal community is soft
Alot of pussies that complain to complain
I respected deathcore from day one and all the founding bands
Of course you do champ.
Elitism is such stupid behavior. Music is subjective, you either enjoy it or you don't. If you don't like it then don't listen! 🙃
@sole__doubt I did I didn't look at as dumb subgenre from Carnifex EP to Wings of plagues EP The Acacia Strain Despised icon Whitechapel Suicide Silence Job For a Cowboy I loved all that shit even The Red Chord which was proto Deathcore The Red Chord was the first Deathcore band I listened to and I loved it all
@@worldoffood123 I agree with this statement
I went to Whitechapels first show at Chain Reaction that shit was epic lol
People do respect deathcore. It's just the metalheads who don't. Deathcore bands would be better off touring with Warped Tour bands instead of death metal. More Blink 182 and Bring Me the Horizon fans like deathcore than metal heads.
Deathcore is my favourite subgenre of death metal.
It was the generic bands who didnt get respect. Such as these 2 bands. Bands like all shall perish were never disrespected.
Its not about the term but the lack of creativity and quality of music
Been the same shit for 20 years. Of course people are going to dislike it.
I always found early deathcore hate funny, all these bands took melodeath and brutal death metal, sprinkled some good production, breakdowns and the scene aesthetic in and somehow it was an upfront to metal ?? I got first into DM and then DxC but I was also actively listening pop and rap music so wtf do I know.
Let's just say that deathcore and death metal in 2007-2010, the fans did not get along well lol. I watched scene kids try to hardcore dance at a cannibal corpes show on the kill tour. Those kids got whooped and kicked out of the concert 😂
I was 14 when TwinkCore first came out. Blew up all over MTV. Suddenly people who never liked metal, and used to make fun of Metal, claimed to be metal heads. Many of them never even heard of Cannibal Corpse. They came from the Emo, Pop Punk, Nu Metal and Rap scenes. It was for the mainstream normies and trendies. Not True Metal in spirit.
Found the weird elitist
@@aspirationrecords damn right. Thank you. Proud elitist. Keeping the Metal pure.
You could come up with a better insult than twinkcore lmao. I don't care for deathcore much either, but that homophobic shit is so lame.
@@Matteger23 I agree with op. It is twinkcore. I like Judas Priest and Queen, but those bands are actually good. Twinkcore is garbage.
@@CorporalSteiner1945 that's fine, just twinkcore is a low iq thing to say. Also, why did you mention two bands with gay members?
They still don’t get respect
This comment section is trash lol.
What do you expect they think deathcore is good music.
Like deathcore.
Deathcore fans for the most part, don't respect death metal or true metal at all.
This. Yet they cry “wahhh you’re an elitist!”
True metal lol you mean dooky metal for oldheads?
@@aspirationrecords Age has nothing to do with it. Your Warped Tour flat brimmed ear gauge wearing teeny bopper bands are lame.
@@aspirationrecords Dude this is coming from someone who’s 25… you’re cringe and you sound like you’re 12 or something. Go back to your formula bottle.
@@EagleHeart19 Lol this got me 😆
The most exciting bands in the deathcore scene right now are the ones that don't purely write deathcore: modern Whitechapel, Shadow of Intent, Fit For An Autopsy. Some other bands are cool too: Spite and their groove, Brand of Sacrifice with their over the top theatrical and electronic sounds, I really like To The Grave too. Even if I don't agree completely with their message, their song-writing is very creative at times. Angelmaker have some awesome songs as well - Vengeance, Leech, Bloodthirstier.
Get Trivium on ur podcast Garza
the comment section is proving them right..
Funny seeing fans of old school death metal and thrash etc. Shit on deathcore since its way heavier and has more balls than any of those genres combined. Speed isnt heavy it just sounds cool for a bit groove is whats heavy and deathcore has it in spades as well as vocalists who sound like they could rip you apart and could if you fucked with them
I still disrespect it. Brutal death metal and traditional death metal has more talent and sicker riffs and drum work.
More talent lol
I imagine what Metalcore/Deathcore did to metal is akin to what Americans did to Dubstep in the early 2010s and I don't blame the OGs at all for not respecting it,, they took something that only a select few people knew about most of whom spent their entire lives painstakingly assembling a very unique sound that would never happen if not for having grown up in the cultural melting pot that was South London in the late 90s and transformed it into a soulless steaming heap of garbage that exaggerated some of its more distinct features in an attempt to make it more digestable to younger audiences but unlike metal dubstep hadn't being around for long enough for it to survive its initial crash from popularity and it never fully recovered so I guess just he grateful for bands like Judas Priest and Metallica or these guys could have seriously done some damage to it's reputation.
You ever hear of punctuation, my guy? One of the longest sentences ive ever seen, all just to say nothing.
RedWinterDying❤
I hate deathcore with a passion. Growing up in Moreno Valley/perris/riverside area in 04-07 playing shows being in a death metal band playing with nothing but deathcore with silly names and generic sound that sounded the same. Respect for all the success but I never understood it I guess
You’re saying that like most death metal isn’t also super generic with silly names
Death metal died in the 90s@@joshforeman1648
@@joshforeman1648 not the death metal I listen to
@@joesandoval3741 yeah there’s some great death metal and there’s some great Deathcore as well
@@joshforeman1648 fair to say. I just never understood deathcore. Mind you I like hardcore and obliviously I love death metal but for me the 2 genres don’t work together.
Yeah i know quite a few ppl that never listened to deathcore but heard lorna shore with will ramos and now they think they are the greatest deathcore band alive
Will Ramos is a hack, lol making idiotic noises makes your band heavy and good I guess 😂
Deathcore sucks. Started as basically emo bands trying to sound tough/brootal and dumbed down 2 genres of music in the process . Most of them would cry about how their girlfriend some way screwed them over and them getting revenge (gory lyrics). Lame af
@@rodentsnatch I agree. Deathcore blows. I stick to death metal which is real metal and deathcore is the bastard child of wanting to be something it's not. It's neither metal or hardcore at all. It's rubbish!
What really sucks is that Deathcore should be awesome, because it’s literally Death Metal mixed with Hardcore… and we all know that’s not what we have. This crap that blew up idk what it is, I’ve been calling chug/bree core for the past 10 years.
@@Metalheadreaper87 never thought i would see a mf using the term "real metal" in 2024 but here we are
@@HEADASSLOOKINGAHHH what are you gonna do? Sue me. Deathcore isn't real metal at all. It's just bunch of breakdowns and chugging and whiny lyrics.
@@Metalheadreaper87 womp womp
Deathcore was just an evolution of metal.
The initial wave of Deathcore were kids who went from punk rock > emo > modern hardcore into deathcore.. And at the time they were kind of seen as fakes in the metal scene, a lot of the bands were playing breakdowns because they couldn't do solos or anything interesting.. But now we're seeing amazing writing/solos/cool time signitures and complex passages, and we have seen that for a while now. Now I see Deathcore and Death metal as basically being the same genre but slightly different flares in each. But gladly its where it should be now, and welcomed under the metal banner.
@@roach5606 I don't think so, the difference in both genres is like comparing two Melodic Death metal bands together.. Like Black Dahlia Murder/In Flames/Dark Tranq/Scar Symmetry/Be'lakor ect are all so different sound wise.. but all find themselves under the Melo Death lable.
@@roach5606 what didn't you understand? Bands sound different. Devin Townsends Casualty of Cool is a country album, sounds nothing like Kasey Chambers or Billy Ray Cyrus.
Cannibal Corpse also sound very different to Cattle Decapitation and Phycroptic.
I just don't think these sub genres are too apart from each other in 2024.
A lot of deathcore bands have no blast beats or death metal riffs. Really they should be called breakdown bands, or maybe chugcore.
@@roach5606 the acacia strain, filth, dead reckoning, fit for an autopsy, god hand. Maybe they blast beat rarely, but I'm not going to listen to a lot of a chugcore discography to see if they ever blast beat. And there's certainly no death metal riffs.
I still don't respect it.
Death core is gay
@@wittenfriedland not Carnifex
Carnifex is awesome
Ur m 0 ther says otherwise, she was slapping hard bro during the breakdowns, damnn t1tt13s bouncing and all. Pretty cool.
Coming from the guy who probably listens to metallica lol
I don't hate deathcore, but I'm annoyed by it. Enough with these stupid pig squeals, dinosaur noises, and boring-a$$ breakdowns with no groove. Y'all sound the effing same! Try something different. I welcome musicians who can push the envelope of music, no matter what genre it is. When I think about breakdowns, I think of Pantera's Domination, Slayer's Reigning Blood, ADTR's Mr. Highway's Thinking About the End, Suffocation's Liege of Inveracity, or any metallic-hardcore bands from the 90s. To me, those are breakdowns. Those breakdowns have a purpose, a groove, etc. You cannot convince me enough that Lorna Shore's To the Hellfire's breakdown is awesome... that stupid dinosaur's noise is pathetic. Vocally, impressive. Give me a deathcore band that have awesome riffs, groovy breakdowns, and vocally doesn't rely solely on those stupid pig squeals and dinosaur noises.
You listed nothing but trash
@@MuffinpurplegurkPantera slayer and suffocation are legendary, go listen to your crown magnetar and stfu
No one adequate respect deathcore nowadays. Its no metal
Because deathcore sounds like if a twelve year old heard death metal once,,and then tried to make his own version of it.
Boom- Death core.
Are you stupid?
@PortugueseMACPOW death metal is lame. Deathcore shows are the best. The pits are better
Sorry but I still don't respect it and never will, it's trend hopping fairy music
Deathcore is just another Emo sub genre, None of them liked Death metal but as soon as the Emo hair guys started playing this similar style it was all of a sudden 'cool'. It's what all these 'Elder Emo's' love to listen to now, I can't stand it.....
Now its even slowly slithering its ways into Black/Death metal festivals like some terminal cancer.
@@Rilyn666 lmao I feel attacked thag pretty spot on still love both genres
And you probably jerked off to Pantera when they looked like bitches in high heels
C r i n g e
Big agree.
I still don’t respect metalcore or deathcore, & all my friends are the same way. This genre blows!
All my friends love deathcore and hate death metal and true metal. My brother and I are the only metal fans. Oh well...metal isn't for everyone.
@@patman4161 most young ppl getting into it gets into metalcore cuz death metal is too brutal for them.
@@heathertiller3644 That and death metal is more underground. Metalcore and deathcore are more mainstream.
@@heathertiller3644brutal 😭not it’s just bad
Dm sucks balls. Theres no talent. Core all day any day every day. "True" metal is for greasy bearded curly long haired old chubsters. Belongs in the past
Yet ironically modern death metal sounds like the early days of Deathcore.
Despised Icon and The Red Chord were also some of the first Deathcore bands
Still hilarious that kids get into Metal music and decide to spew the same "Deathcore sucks!" rhetoric even though they were a toddler when it was a bigger scene. Its like shitting on Ska. Congrats, you have a Maiden Trooper shirt and a denim jacket with a "Ride The Lightning" backpatch bought from Amazon and yell "SLAAAAAAAAAYER" and think Death and CC are "Underground". Let me guess, you're going to ask who my favorite of "The Big Three" are and talk about how Metallica sold out with "The Black Album". Oh yes, all your other classmates listen to Taylor Swift while you listen to "Rust in Peace", you're so unique and different, kid.
Despised icon and beneath the Massacre were some of the first dearhcore bands, but there were not enough bands to call it a wave till the younger, Less technical, American bands came along. There's even an interview with the vocalist of beneath the Massacre saying, "when us and despised icon came out, people started calling us deathcore.... then a bunch of sh*tty bands started claiming deathcore and we didn't eat to be called that anymore ".
All those bands sucked.
Deathcore was definitely the new kid on the block. The issue I seen was promoters adding DC acts as openers for like BM shows or GC shows. I remember like black dahlia murder opening for behemoth. Seemed an odd choice but whatever. Then the HXC bands started opening and the audience is a different vibe altogether. Ever been to a metal show? you should know what I'm talking about. I have a deep respect for DC now. Like any metal genre you gotta jump in, take your lumps, earn the respect and then like all ageing metal heads, acceptance eventually comes.
Bro, I live in Oklahoma. If I would have seen someone disrespect the best deathcore band I would have delt with it. 2012 I was 22. I definitely would have.
I will always shit on deathcore or any -core for that matter. Didn't even watch the video, just here to spread the word
I remember the "Gore. Not Core" shirts from Cattle Decapitation always gave me a chuckle. Granted, I still like the original core, hardcore punk.
Ok, dad
@@aspirationrecords you can call me daddy 😎
I dont think its deathcore, its more that yall just sucked
Its funny how people think being an elitist is a bad thing.
Deathcore is the best, fk death metal.
Nobody respects deathcore now either, because it's corny
I don't want to get political here you're kind of reminding me of a certain cult that acts like they speak for everyone while only being like 30% of people at best lol
@@slamarchy hating on a genre of music is corny
@@slamarchy wrong
That post deathcore stuff like Lorna shore is corny, real deathcore is fun af tho
@@Jmack7861 what’s the difference between
And still nobody gives a shit about death core after the age of 15
Are all the big gear brands, festivals and business men injecting money into the Deathcore shows/records/labels run by 15 year olds? 😂 you're pathetic homie.
deathcore is still shit to this day what are you talking about.
Are you stupid? Deathcore is the best right now.
@@EMG81xTHRASHER nice opinion lil bro
Its past your bed time, old man
deathcore still sucks and nobody respects it still
Nobody? Jackson guitars, ESP guitars, Nuclear Blast Records, Metal Blade Records, they all support Deathcore acts...yeah, nobody cares for Deathcore....