Dave Grohl: “Billie Eilish is the Kurt Cobain of This Generation” - He’s Right
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- Опубликовано: 7 окт 2024
- In this episode I discuss and explain why Billie Eilish is the Kurt Cobain of her generation.
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You’re right! Billie Eilish has a similar cultural significance and impact. And for the naysayers, it’s an analogy (and one made by Dave Grohl no less), the style of music or whether she writes it all herself is irrelevant. She’s playing real music with minimal interference from outside sources…and like Nirvana, she seemingly came out of nowhere and reached the top of the charts, replacing much more manufactured slick pop and hip hop projects made by committee.
Correct Eric! All this “her brother writes the music is irrelevant”. She displaced all the manufactured Producer driven hip-hop and Pop music while producing music with her brother and little or no outside interference. Obviously her music is not like Nirvana ‘s. There is no comparing Nirvana with Billie Eilish musically. My video goes through the reasons why Dave Grohl would say that.
Well said, Eric!
Damn skippy. She is incredible and analogous to any generational singer/songwriter.
i'd say Lorde started the 'minimalist/alternative pop' trend more than Billie Eilish but Billie Eilish gained more popularity due to her teen girls fanbase (as you know from pop history, if you have a fanbase that loud [pun intended] on the internet age or not, you have a huge potential to be an instant culture impact in mainstream music world) plus her fashion. Nonetheless, both have decent pop songs that will cater for the mainstream kids to even the alternative music crowd - catchy yet with a sense of experimental songwriting structures. Not a huge fan of both but i read that David Bowie really really like Lorde and even labelled her 'future of music' and ironically, Nirvana duet with Lorde on their Rock N Roll Hall Of Fame performance as well.
and oh, check Billie Eilish parents, they're both from the entertainment industry. As you know, that probably played a role in her success at early age.
@@RickBeato Someone plucked her from obscurity and promoted her image to the hilt. I remember the building-sized billboard in Los Angeles promoting her, even before she was famous.
One thing for sure. Nirvana was the Nirvana of my generation.
Thank you for that! :) (I wish I'd said it first, haha)
When Nirvana was doing their thing..... I was listening to PANTERA.
@@TheCyberMantis This. RIP Vinnie Paul.
@Andy Brookie people tend to forget this small nuance
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!?!!!!!! Thanks you give me pills and wine
Finneas isn’t just a good producer. But an incredibly talented song writer and musician in his own right. She is the face, and the voice, and an unbelievable talent, absolutely (and a great writer, and visionary). But they are a duo. Classically trained and experienced. And they have their finger on the pulse of the zeitgeist. They compliment each other, and I don’t think they could be where they are without each other.
Spot on!
Ditto that
And they admit that. Do you take away Elton John's talent because Bernie Taupin writes most of the lyrics? Paul and John: who is the most talented? It's the fact these duos get maximum creative control from the label when they need to and are able to evolve and try new things and make record after record (as Rick said in a previous video) to grow. Since the 007 song where they had to write a specific style of song under pressure, and Billie was able to belt it live as well, I think she took so much confidence from that. She has mentioned before a lack of confidence in her upper range but I hope she keeps experimenting as the belt (and the lead up to it) is always awesome.
'their finger on the pulse of the zeitgeist'. Brilliant.
Agreed. The best partnerships form a very strong unit with complementary skills and personalities while being able to get along to achieve a shared vision. Billie & Finneas are respectful of each other and seem like they could have many more years of success.
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"Sounds like a real person singing it"
It's shocking but sometimes I think the same way.
why is that shocking?
@@lorenfulghum2393 Because the voice is not heavily altered, like most pop music released nowadays. This proves that she is truly talented.
I never thought such a stupid sounding sentence could somehow be relevant
We are living in times when "no autotune" is worth mentioning
Gotta escape the mainstream.
Like Queen's "No Synthesizer was used in this record" mention in their first records. But that had to change at some point, lol!
Yeah it is what it is
@@brisleeadams just shows that every generation had overused trends, not just modern music.
Sadly...
I agree for the positive reasons. But thankfully (I hope) she’ll live to impact music well past 27.
lmao
same
Lmao gfl
I don't think this is funny at all. 🙏🙏🙏
Sad reference.
Didn't Thom Yorke also say that Billie Eilish is the only pop star making anything interesting right now? It's high praise from two legends right there: Nirvana and Radiohead.
Yes
Two overrated artists stroking another overrated artist.
it's so clear that they feel like they HAVE to say this.. it's ridiculous. billie is so overrated as a singer, and artist.. everything, it's so sad that all these old washed up men feel the need to overpraise her.. for what?? please? for what? for Dave to call him Kurt Cobain.. ohhh lord that is ridiculously disrespectful. i
Thom Yorke is an over-rated artist??????? Wow!
And why would these artists "feel that they have to say this." Somebody holding a gun to their heads? They have opinions, so do you. They just have a wee bit more credibility.
Finneas has his own music. It is incredible, and has really interesting timing. Billie thinks her brother is a genius. I think this is what saves Billie from the problems others like Kurt have had. She has someone down to earth that she idolizes and it keeps her grounded.
Very good take on it!
she cant be like Kurt either because Kurt actually wrote his own stuff.. she relies on her brother to do everything.. all of the music and layering and a lot of the melody and lyrics he comes up with too.
@@devinmichaelroberts9954 Yup, i wish he would have mentioned that, i mean her singing is incredible and her voice is so gorgeous, but he writes all the music. Their parents are the true heroes though, i couldn't believe it when Billie explained how when they were little, they were allowed to stay up as long as they wanted, as long as creativity was involved. Can you imagine? Your parents actually believing in you and giving you that space instead of telling you all the time, how you really should be doing something worthwhile?
@@devinmichaelroberts9954 Absolutely not Finneas doesn't write all her music, ABSOLUTELY NOT, SHE writes it together also with him, but she has written and produced songs on her own as well as “listen before I go” and others and you can also see it in her documentary. She says “her brother” is this and that… because it's her brother and people keep saying he doesn't get enough credit, but she's the genius behind her music, only BILLIE, she has the creativity in her works, her music video in everything she does.. she is a visionary artist, she is the mind and Finneas her arms.
Even the legend Hans Zimmer said she was just 17 years old who said to them and orchestra as she the music to be of James Bond with whom they won the Oscar, she chose the pieces having a clear idea of how it should be. Hans Zimmer said that he was shocked by her and that they were like toys in Billie's hands, everyone stopped to listen to her, bc she ha an innate musical instinct, even his brother said so.. Let's get it over with her brother, her brother has HIS art and as you can see on his own he is not successful as Billie and there is a reason, he is not like Billie. Even her brother says that Billie's music is totally hers, for 80%. Respect Billie’s hard work.
@@Jack2729o wrong.. of her two albums she doesnt have a single individual writing credit or producing credit. Finneas does. For most of the tracks they share credit for royalties but even in interviews she says 90 percent of the chord progression and writing is Finneas she changes a few things around and gets a shared credit for royalties. She has never produced anything on her own
There was this one guy, David Bowie, that changed his image all the time.
The David Bowie of this generation is Lady Gaga
He also wasn’t a teenager
@@noelk6606 he was at one point you know 😂
@@smurfy567 Can't be sure he wasn't alien
@** not him, the bowie essence is more in gaga than anyone else
I love how Rick finds good things in everything, not just hating things immediately
True
You don't have to look very hard to find the good in Billie Eilish. I think any musician who understands a little bit about composition and theory can appreciate her songs.
Because Rick knows and understands music. The people who hate immideatly are the ones who don't really understand the work, knowledge and skill that goes into creating something.
@@rome8180 you don't really need to know about composition the theory to enjoy music or to appreciate the....composition of music. Peolpe can hear how things compliment each other or how they don't and some people like that even
@@SD0409 my reply applies to you also. Also music is subjective
I was doubtful because she was pushed so hard a couple years ago. Out of the blue, You saw her name all over media, especially on RUclips. Then one day I was driving on one of my trips and I heard this song on the radio that I liked quite a bit, so I searched it out, it was by Billie Eillish. I searched out some more of her songs and can now say I'm eating crow for coming to conclusion before actually listening to her. She's pretty good.
Much the same here... she was EVERYWHERE and I wrote her off as just another pop sensation. Over the last few years though I've come to find her music has some great complexity and fun.
Yeah she is one of the few modern pop artists that i like too
That is a pretty common thing though, when artists producing a mainstream something first, gaining some popularity and then feeling some freedom to do what they like. That is why I try to listen whole albums. Sometimes you discover very nice things there
Same situation with me. I wasn’t keen of her even though I had never listened to any of her music. She’s a great artist.
@@FelixTheCat24x7 they wrote the songs together plus doesnt matter if she had connections she still sounds good
Billie Eilish and her brother Finneas have gained my respect as both musicians and cultural influencers. Nirvana was part of a much larger cultural experience known as the ‘Seattle sound’ or ‘grunge era.’ Many comparisons can be made between musicians that become famous for breaking the current mold. The video in which Billie and Finneas rise from a bed, above a teary eyed audience filled with young people, showcase how deep her music has penetrated into the hearts of her fans. There are no comparisons to be made between Billie’s soft and surreal experience and the aggressive nature of my grunge era memories.
Thanks for bringing this stuff to a crowd who appreciates music but wouldn’t have discovered it on their own.
I'm guessing that Billie and her brother are also smart enough to understand that Rick talking about their music is a good thing for everyone.
For them, yes.
At this point they are bigger than any one critic, newspaper, tv station, or even website. She hit number 1 on billboard without being no 1 on radio. That never happened in the history of music or radio. Let that sink in.
@@vp4744 i don't have a clue of what does that mean. Social media ? Message to teenage girls in her songs on how they should accept their body? That means to be bigger than tv stations and newspaper ? I don't know, not enough informed to understand her popularity. Musically, in some of the songs i heard i see a decent pop production from her brother and a nice voice texture, clear, but a tad too sirupy/teeny to my taste. She seems to also try to show some honesty in music, which contrasts with her contemporary mainstream crap. I tried to hear some stuff but for now, not my cup of tea and still don't see how she could be compared to Nirvana/KC which is a band still heard on radio, clubs, puts ppl headbanging and dancing 30 years later, like prince, metallica, red hot, joy division, the cure, ratm etc... I don't see any masterpiece to compare to the greatest, the ones that marked a generation, yet. Let's see what's left in 10/20/30 years. A bit early to make theses comparisons. So yes, it's good to be nice to ppl living off the industry, logic.
But I wouldn’t call her the voice of the generation, because she is one of those one time artists, who are only famous due to a single song. And I don’t know if her vocals are something incredible, to be honest, at least by now she’s only sang in that talking voice
@@emilxert There are many voices of a generation. She seems like a good candidate for one of them
Her voice is the same in every song and it's unvaryingly depressing and whispery. I will acknowledge her and her brothers talent, it's just not my bag dad.
This is what almost every band calls recognition value!
"this metal singers voice is the same in every song, all screamy."
"Her voice is the same in every song."
That's how voices work.
@@Orchestructive Really? You don't listen to many singers I'm guessing. Aretha Franklin didn't sound the same in every song, nor did Freddie Mercury or Kate Bush or Peter Gabriel or Adele or...
@@EpicStuffMan1000 Who listens to metal for the vocals?! I find Billy a one trick pony. Edit: Yes metal can be samey depending on the band but the music gets me going. It is a matter of temperament more than anything else. Billy gets me down and I've had enough down the past year.
Fun fact: the song “listen before I go” it was written only by Billie (to vent her emotions about her depression) and she produced 80% of that song. You can also see this in her documentary with her mother worried that Billie would release such a depressing song and Billie replied “it's something I feel and I want to talk about, it's something I prefer to write rather than do it (commit suicide), it's much better” …… chills.
THIS IS REAL ART.
Many people don't understand that behind the production the brain is Billie, her brother is the arms, but the mind of her art is HER. Even in production, she decides everything.
The legend Hans Zimmer said he was shocked by her while composing with the orchestra (for the music of the James Bond film with which they won the Oscar) bc he said that they (composers and musicians) were toys in Billie's hands, she had clear ideas of what music was supposed to be like.. so she desided everything, she has an incredible musical instinct. He said he was shocked how a 17/18 year old could have a clear idea of what she wanted to create so well.
Her brother is VERY talent, but in her music BILLIE IS THE REAL GENIUS the mind of her art🔥👏🏻
She is the visionary artist, of all her art is SO UNIQUE… and HER MUSIC VIDEO DIRECTED AND EDITED BY HERSELF ARE MASTERPIECE!!! Literally…. So beautiful, so meaningful and deep. Emotions after emotions. Beautiful.
Btw AMAZING VIDEO REALLY AMAZING!!!
THANK YOU SO MUCH! 💥
I’m 30 and I’m in LOVE with her. I HATE pop products of the last 10/20 years!! Olny photocopies and products only to sell Morea just hits and marketing ….. THIS IS MUSIC!!! Art ..🔥👏🏻
That is EXACTLY where real art comes from.
I love both and Billie produces now with her own hands too.
Dave Grohl said the same thing about Lorde "resembling Nirvana" and then you don't hear her anymore.
Choo
Dave Grohl isn't even the Dave Grohl of today.
Lorde released Melodrama in 2017, imo one of the greatest pop albums of the 21rst Century. It was just too "out there" to have popularity with the masses, but it's an insanely good album. But she hasn't released any music since then.
It’s a fad thats what im saying it’s not changing anything couple of years they will say billie who? On to the next1
I was just listening to her today 🤷♂️
artists who actually write their own songs, like kurt cobain did, are ultimately going to have a much deeper connection with their audience. kurt also wrote and performed with zero inhibitions whatsoever, and that is why so many people bought into him as an artist and why so many people connected with him.
She and her brother co-write all their material.
@@chrisdick2305 the fact that this is said 4 minutes into the video makes the first comment even more ignorant
'Artists who write their own songs', isn't that a weird expression.... pop artists USED to write their own songs. The best (Lady Gaga) still do... its not particular to Rock music for artists to write their own music. Isnt that the least you should you if you call yourself an Artist?
I doubt all of you idiots would be supporting her if she was a good looking 16 year old male.
@@flannel396 Ha! Too funny and perhaps all too true. Especially now with that sex-bomb photo shoot in Vogue. In a massive irony, that will cause many people to hink she's just a derivative little tart, which is sad, because she is an artist with a potentially large future in music.
Rick knows exactly what he’s doing with this title
quoting something Dave Grohl said 2 years ago is def. edgy clickbait
What?
lol
knowing her Brother writes these songs for her too
👉🤯
I knew Billie was popular from the song Bad Guy, but when I heard "everything i wanted" I really respected her.... She's definitely more than just dumb pop. People like to bag on her for 'whisper vocals' but she's talented enough and skilled enough to do what she does on purpose, she's purposefully holding back and it gives this fragile quality to her sound, when really it's anything but. She's got chops, she holds it back on purpose
Bad guy is fun and all but it's far from billie's best song IMO and yet it's the one who blew up.
@@rosco3 of course, right?
@@rosco3 of course that's the one that blows up, right, an artists best song rarely is the most commercial. I will never say bad guy is her best song
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Bil 🦆
I'm not a Billie Eillish fan, but I can appreciate what she is doing. I think record labels are just trying to turn out disposable content rather than make music. When artists make music, fans take notice. When labels make content, it goes away when the newness has worn off.
Spot on!
They oversaturated the market with trash for decades to the point I couldn't care less if something comes out because it's too depressive to even tune into something to find out if there is at least one song worth my time in this life. Honestly come to think I accumulated so many music through my life that I don't need anything anymore. I follow few artists and happy to see what they still can offer etc but being hyped for new things are the days that are far long gone. Corporations built an army of zombies and there is not point to make a change. They asked for it they can have it, many were pissed, we have been betrayed, disappointed we grew the hell out of it, moved on don't care anymore. Suggest the same for others who still want to preserve their braincells.
@Andy Brookie I that is true. Well. Looks like that explains why I couldn't care less for them. My brain instablocks them as a state of selfpreservation instinct.
Billie is signed to Interscope. No surprise there. Check out the Netflix doco 'The Defiant Ones' about Dr Dre and Jimmy Iovine. We need more labels like this!
@Andy Brookie so you've never heard of MTV or radio? That was how promotion was done during that time.
Billie's voice leaves me frustrated that I can't hear what she is singing. Cobain's voice pulled me in on the verse and ripped my head off in the chorus which was incredibly satisfying and the total opposite.
I mean yeah, obviously their styles of music and singing are very different but that's not really what the video was about. I get your point though
Agree can’t make out what she is saying more than half the time
@@aarons1234 it was about her being the spokesman of this generation which is odd if if you can't hear what she's singing. Granted my father said the same about the classic rock I listened to as a kid but her music isn't that overpowering, more she sings like she is whispering and doesn't want anyone else to know what she is saying.
Maybe fix your hearing
Billie Eilish is mega-boring to me. Every song is uneventful and flat.
But I respect her brother's production skills and she writing her own material.
That's exactly what I've been saying. Her brother seems to be the brains behind it all. I'd love to see what he could do without the boring, one dimensional sister act.
How are things back on Cardassia Prime? Is the reconstruction going well?
@@f1jones544 He does have his own music without Billie and is releasing a whole album soon. Check it out and see for yourself
I feel like I'm back in my favourite music class and my lecturer has, very passionately, gone off down a rabbit hole to teach us something meaningful. Those were my favourite classes, and thank you for sharing what you know 💕
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I didn't jump aboard with her initially just because of the hype. Grammys always have their darlings, but when I listen, there isn't anything to tell me that she doesn't have a wealth of musical ideas that is only increasing with each year. As much as her music draws from its influences, it never seems derivative. I think we are going to find her with us a long time from now.
Funny you should mention the Grammys as to why you sort of dismissed her at first. The first I heard of her was when she actually won, I was listening to a radio jock talk about this person "Billie Eilish" who had won all these Grammys, I thought she was a male Scottish rapper, so when i got home I looked her up, I have been very pleasantly surprised by her ever since, I bought all her albums and listen to her a lot, I really went down the old rabbit hole. LOL
I don't get this comparison at all. She is very talented for sure and so Taylor Momsen. She also writes her own songs and it's also actual hard rock. She is also influenced by the Beatles and it shows in her music. So is she the Chris Cornell of this generation? Let's not get carried away with this. Just because someone has extremely great talent and dresses and acts like an angst driven rebellious teenager doesn't mean they compare to someone who completely turned the music industry upside down over night. She's definitely a throwback with sophisticated music and she stands out among the rest. But let's face it there's not much out there that isn't filled with all the things that you applaud her for not doing. Nirvana stood out in an era filled with generational artists. Metallica, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden and even Van Halen and Guns 'n Roses. Not to mention that they knocked the king of pop off his pedestal. A monumental achievement like no other. This happens in sports all the time when young talent makes a big splash and they start comparing them to the greats of their sport. It's more of a curse and the artist or athlete should be appreciated for who they are and not who you feel they compare to. This generation needs rock artists and not pop artists who want to be rock stars. I love and enjoy all of your videos Rick, but I have to disagree with you on this.
Taylor Momsen is awesome and I love her music. One of the few modern musicians that i actually like because she doesnt use gimmicks and its all real rock and its all written by her.
Mike, excellent commentary! I agree totally. I sometimes think some older dudes like to validate their hipness by being self-deprecating and conceding to subsequent pop culture. But in this case ain’t NO WAY anyone will convince me (even remotely) that Billie Eilish is as influential or important as Cobain. Not even close!!
Dude, I completely agree with you. Nobody can be like Kurt Cobain.
You said it Mike
Rick's POV regarding explicit lyrics is very underrated and needs more attention throughout the industry.
Since Joni Mitchell is no longer putting out new music, this stuff Billie Eilish throws at the world is to me like a sequel. Look at how varied Joni's records are, and how Blue and Hejira differ, that is what I expect to come . Very different, very good music.
@@scottgoins4310 That’s not true at all. Finneas has clarified this multiple times.
@@scottgoins4310 Careful there, something false being repeated a million times can seem like truth at some point
Wdym?
It used to be if you had explicitly lyrics it fucked you over, now everyone does and a clean song hits more
Can we stop saying every good artist is the next past good artist?
for real, kurt was a one of kind being. new artists shouldn’t live to be the next so and so, we already had a kurt cobain.
How about all analogies are banned forever? You good with that?
@@wellguuud just because you called it an analogy doesn’t change anything.
@@wellguuud no
Amen!
Yes - sadly I dismissed Billie as more formula driven garbage, but then I saw her show on Austin City Limits and was blown away. I got the album, and I have to say I've never heard anything quite like it. The layers of ambient sound and use of effects makes me think of Pink Floyd's production. I'm 53, and I think it's brilliant.
Yes exactly the ambience reminds me of pink floyd
Exactly. My teenage daughter tried to get me into her when she first released her music on the net. I was so-so. Then I caught some of her and brothers acoustic show on RUclips. I was impressed. The more I listen the more I appreciate it. A great way to bond with my daughter.
Man, I’m a 32 year old jazz snob who grew up on metal and 60s folk and I freakin love that Eilish record. I’ve been getting all kinds of snobby comments ever since I went on a campaign to try and get my friends to give it a chance. Billie and Finneas have been labelled as the voice of the zoomer generation, and maybe the vulnerable and blunt lyrics match that nihilistic ethos. But the music is sophisticated, articulate and beautiful without being cheesy or post modern. Billie sounds like herself, and everyone else at the same time. That’s how I know she and her brother have nailed the vibe.
Rick, as usual is the voice of reason in the murky swamp of music snobbery. Love him.
Billie Eilish is really the first time since the 80's that mainstream pop has any credibility. However she is no Nirvana. Nirvana changed history, just like Sex Pistols and the Beatles before them. Eillish has not. But is still too soon to say. I see her as a modern version of what Peter Gabriel did in the 80s, make Pop Music something more artistic. But she is not yet a Madonna or a Michael Jackson, she hasnt lead a cultural impacy in Pop Music. Not yet.
I think they just championed the Bedroom Pop sound. They found the right formula that catapulted their work way beyond their home recording room.
^
I'm a "boomer" born in 1949.Rick is a little younger, & a wonderful guy. Don't know what my point is. We love music!
@@bemersonbakebarmen I agree. I think what's in her way of being a pop music pillar of sorts is that so many other female vocalists latched on to her vocal style almost immediately as she gained popularity. So, I feel she's now somewhat of a diamond ring lost in a junk jewelry box. The funny thing is that it's taken whole teams of producers, songwriters, etc. now to approximate/imitate what she and her brother have masterfully crafted in their family home (like Rick mentioned.) The real litmus test will be for her to evolve, repeat the great success she's had. And these days, I think there won't be any real pop/rock icons anymore anyway. Too many imitators now. The good thing is that it won't matter to really good, original artists.
Well, billie coming from a privileged family that got strong ties with music industry and kurt was an absolute nobody who had to earn it from the bottom.maybe many don't care about these stuffs but I think connection and nepotism is a huge boost to sucsses these days while many talented people never have a chance to be promoted. So yeah billie(credit to his brother) is kinda talented but never come close to someone like cobain who was self made.
also like....they rallied against everything about that. they talk about how they started and where they were going. she's a kid but honestly like a user above said it doesnt matter but it's also just a completely different output. and the whole pop structure...ugh whatever. it doesnt even matter. her privileged family is honestly such a big deal so it's just sad to me tbh
You are 100% correct sir
Yup. Her and her brother have had a team behind them since an early age to basically create an industry plant. Literally no comparison.
Totally! Rick, I hope you're reading this, or maybe the pay off makes it irrelevant for you?
Maybe Tom MacDonald is a better analogy. Total outsider all the way to the top of the charts.
The most punk/rock/indie artist-songwriter of our time is Aurora, and Billie is a woderful extenstion of Aurora's spirit. I'd live to hear Rick's analysis of Aurora's songwriting and melodic iinterpretation, which is always also top rate procuded.
Where she & Kurt are different is that Kurt didn't come from an industry family. He had to earn it.
I'm not sure anyone earns worldwide fame. He certainly deserved all of his success, but without it being the right moment where his vibe was what the industry was pushing and capitalizing on a wave of similar music in the culture, there would have been no worldwide fame. Again, not to say his talent wasn't deserving, but I don't think worldwide fame is ever earned, it always depends on forces in the industry and cathing the right culture wave.
@@danielalexander4855 Forget the earning worldwide fame bit, you're right. But yeah, he/they had to earn it. Do the tours in the van for years making next to no money & sleeping on floors. Had to do the shows to grow the local scene along with the other bands to create the buzz that brought the record labels to Seattle. I'm not dissing her as an artist, all the best to her, but she's done none of it. Why? Coz her family's connected in the industry.
@@mpk33 Ah so that's the catch with her. Never looked that much into her. I've only seen one music video by her and that was only because of youtube recommended autoplay. Wasn't overly impressed. Before that, I knew of Billie Eillish only from the news and entertainment media writing pieces about her all the time at one point.
Yeah because her connections got her praise? Her connections got her sales ? Having someone open the door for you is one thing. Staying in the room is a whole different thing. Way to step on someone in order to praise someone else. Rocker and Rick are praising her and you knock her. Way to be a douche
And I'm pretty sure Kurt didn't speak ebonics. Could be wrong.
Kurt wasn't the only voice of his generation. Cornell, Vedder, Weiland etc also had a lot to say & a great deal of influence at the same time..
Also Layne Staley.
@@DominikM25 Recently I've seen all music videos of Alice in Chains, incredible voice (voices), music and sound that has over 30 years!
RATM!!!!!!! ????? ? but notice these are all....people who wouldnt take this avenue...i think to compare pop to DIY and anti pop is...hm but ok
You're really going to put Scott Weiland into that category? Look, I get it: The guy died young of an overdose and had a really good voice, but STP was just a bunch of musicians who were good at adapting to the music world around them. I can't really say they did anything influential. Popular, yes, but not influential.
I don't care what the current trends are, people cannot help but respond to songs like this. Real songs, sung and played by real people. Not written by committee, not four-auto-tuned hooks strung together. People respond viscerally to the pure emotion and the real connection created by Billie Eilish and similar artists. It's timeless, priceless, and everything that matters in music. Thanks, Rick.
Well said.
Yes, I just can't stand her music, it's so boring and depressing.
@@Darrylizer1 Too bad.
Don't know. Billie is just one artist out of millions of auto tune artist that a couple (20 - 30) still sell more records than her. So I don't think anything will change. If she is top of the top artist beating Drake then I will agree with you.
Remember when Nevermind came out, Nirvana was taking the top spot from most of the big name artist of that time on a regular basis. That said I have not paid much attention of the recent bill board record sells for ages, so I could be very very wrong with my thinking.
100% agreed
Don't forget that the majority of the record where "Bad Guy" was on was recorded in their actual bedroom. Using a UA Apollo interface, using a mattress as a vocal booth, a very affordable Audio-Technica AT2020 mic, and midi plugins into either Logic or Pro Tools.
and?? like who cares, it's not hard to record music lmfao and just because they did it on budget.. what? it doesn't sound great, it's not different or a breakthrough in sound? so why should we be so impressed by this lol
@@urvermin2682 It does sound great. That's the whole point. They made an entire full length album without recording in a professional studio. Name me any other great "top 10 in the album charts" album that was recorded at home with minimal and pretty affordable gear. I'll wait.
@@roybuis7646 first of all, to bring up the top 10 placement as if she doesn't have a HUGE machine behind her, with rich parents in the industry lmfao. secondly, let's go with popular tracks recorded in a similar way: "Exile on Main Street" by Rolling Stones.. recorded in a van with cables running to it. "Nebraska" by Bruce Springsteen on a tape recorder.. "Of June" by Owl City was made in the basement of his parents house, and the song "Fireflies" was on this album. PLEASE, do not act like billie did literally anything interesting lmfao
@@urvermin2682 what rich parents does she have ? have you seen the home where she grew up? People like you that can't see past your pride or wrongfully thought opinion to really appreciate the artistry, you don't even have to like the music but appreciate the work done from a music lover's perspective. bruh just shush
@@blondedskyy there is literally no innovative or interesting musical talent happing. get over it
What it comes down to is that Grohl is a humble and nice person. Like McCartney, he generously heaps praise on other bands. But we all know that no one else has quite captured Nirvana and raw talent of Cobain just like no one has captured the talent, overwhelming fame and creativity of the Beatles.
Exactly.
I did some research based on what some posters have said other older rockers have said about Eilish. Agreed, Grohl is generous w/ praise, but what surprised me is Radiohead's Thom Yorke, a famously negative pessimist, said to Billie, “You’re the only one doing anything fucking interesting nowadays.” I would think that's saying something coming from someone as tired of the industry as Yorke?
@Bobby A Is it necessary to demolish another genre to be considered a great musician or have a strong impact? That seems like the wrong line of thinking here.
@@dapeel61 If you're comparing her cultural impact to someone who actually did that, I think it's a fair criterion, or at least question to raise.
Yeah, maybe apart from the overwhelming fame, plenty of bands/people have done... It's music, it's not a competition. If a certain baseline of musicianship and production is met, the rest becomes subjective. The Pixies are my favourite all time band for instance...
Billie Eilish still isn’t my thing, but she has an incredible voice, I’ll give her that.
Time to make her your thing, bro.
If I were a betting man, I’d wager that you don’t own and haven’t given her work a close, open-minded listen. I was like you at first but then I caught the Eilish bug. She’s absolutely brilliant (and her brother, too).
What would you say after hearing the vocalist of Mazzy Star or Cocteau Twins
She's like a very delicate Barbra Streisand.
Whisper-whining is so incredible. She'll give Linda Ronstadt a run for her money.
@Owen Johnson Couldn't agree more with you. It's cringe worthy and agonizing. It makes me want to pull the hair out of my head waiting for her to actually belt something out. It drives me crazy listening to her. I also feel that her lyrics are very thin and generic most of the time. She stands out because her competition is so pathetic. I feel the Pretty Reckless are as close to the grunge sound as you're going to get.
"It's a real song." Boy the bar is low, but you're right. She's really good.
I realize you probably know what he means by that, but compared to her other songs, that had no melody, no tangible instruments (i.e. digitally derived beats, etc.), this song shows her real abilities. As a song writer, I appreciate her lyrics and ability to write. My comment isn't meant in a critical tone. Just a conversation.
All the good music is going over the bar and no one notices it
he's probably comparing it to the crap that gets released currently
Exactly what I was thinking.
Stylisitically and production wise, yes I see the comparisons between Billie Eilish and Kurt Cobain. But for me, sonically, the single that you played seems like its taking us back more to Coldplay circa 2002 or Modest Mouse circa 2004. Which to me is an era in which music was still great and somewhat organic, even if music was already heavily quantized by that point. That being said, as far as taking us pack all the way to 1991 or 1993. Eh, I dont think we are quite there yet as far as the next Nirvana.
But yes she is a step in the right direction for sure.
That first song he played (your power) is definitely not one of her better ones if that’s what you mean. I can see the Coldplay comparison there. But her other songs like bad guy, you should see me in a crown, my future, happier than ever, are way better imo.
I just don't find her music up lifting. Grunge too was kind of dark but it had more bite to it. Billie just gets lost in the reverb.
Billie Eilish is the Billie Eilish of her generation.
No
Indeed!
Exactly! She’s a fantastic songwriter/performer and so was Kurt but they are very different to one another.
THANK YOU
Yes, and I think Kurt Cobain is still the Kurt Cobain of our (gen z) generation. As in people who listen to billie also listen to nirvana. (right? It's not just me?)
She has talent, I just can't get into it.
She had
@@martinkojour8879 ??
@@Logan45499 dry martini
It's too Gen Z for me.
@@beepst yup.
I do recognise that Billie and co. do have talent and some fresh, interesting music ideas, but it kind of troubles me when people praise artists who do the bare minimum effort. I mean, we’ve got to the point of admiring someone who writes and sings their own songs? Like, aren’t you supposed to that?
@@Cheddar_Wizard bil and co
Elvis never wrote his own songs don't be a hypocrite. Anyway, most artists today are incredibly involved
Billie is a modern day torch singer. I love the way she "stacks" the vocals. Finneas is a songwriting and production beast. The two together make music gold.
Torch me kill me
Ill love you and dont take my love as a present
Take it as a gift from my iPhone 5S
🗑
Definitely not a beast. But he is amazing.
So called 'Beast Producers' are Charlie Puth, Jacob Collier Etc in the pop scene
@Ayustria Salma Ik you like BTS. Go listen to that gay band
I’m really surprised that Finneas doesn’t get more praise than he does. The guy is really the brains behind the Billie Eilish machine. Watching them work in documentaries and/or behind-the-scenes footage is really like watching magic. Neither of them could ever and will never have the relationship they share with anyone else. If you want Billie, then Finneas comes with the deal. Critics of hers who don’t respect her music or her process need to do some research on it, because as a musician myself, it really is like watching greatness happen. They remove all of the nonsense and they just do what makes sense and what sounds good. Billie has always been vocal (pardon the pun) and passionate about not using effects and mixing techniques to cover up her “flaws”, but rather uses them as an afterthought...to give the song whatever it needs to feel complete. I’m 44, I was around for the grunge craze, Kurt was my everything at that time in my life, but I can’t stop saying enough good things about this duo. Color me infinitely impressed. This is how it’s all supposed to work.
All of the musically interesting stuff is probably done by him, I'm guessing. The only reason I say that is because I don't like how she sings. It's way too breathy. She's a good singer, but all of her singing sounds like she's trying to make it more breathy and it's frankly annoying. I'd rather just hear her sing her full voice. I can't even make out the words most of the time. It's probably great music that they're making, but I can't stomach it because of the way she's singing. It's way too forced to sound natural.
its because its "By Billie Eilish" yes his name is in the credits but its the album name by billie, the song name by billie. of u didnt research or already know about him youd think he wouldnt exist and its all billie but its not. i feel they should be called something like a two person band because they are its not just billie but she gets all the credit. shes the one on the album cover, her names on it, and everything like that but hes doing half the work and just gets credits which is why hes not talked about
@@rars0n Eh, it's a stylistic choice. I like it, personally. It gives her a darker, sadder tone.
@@skullcandy5411 You said, "....but she gets all the credit."
Actually she has won 7 grammys so far, but he's got 8.
so really they're The Carpenters of this generation...
That "I Love You" climbing part sounds a lot like "Hallelujah" to my ears.
Exactly my thought. It sounds like they're dropping in undigested chunks of other people's music. The first piece Rick played sounds like something from the '70s, and then they borrowed the chorusy sound from "Michelle" from the Beatles. I hope in future records they'll learn to mash it up better. Right now, they're like authors back in the '30s who mimicked Hemingway and Fitzgerald.
Exactly what I thought lol i just started singing Hallelujah
yeah me too
I does, listening to it now
I heard “driver’s license” immediately. Now I hear the “Hallelujah” as well
I just don't think the comparison means very much in terms of what they signify about the culture. The eras bear no resemblance to one another. I don't put Nirvana on a pedestal and I've never heard an Eilish song all the way through, so this isn't about my own musical preferences. This generation isn't producing new Cobains any more than it's producing new Michael Jacksons, Springsteens, Princes, or even new Morrisseys... because it can't. Because the proliferation of technology won't allow it. Everything has become fragmented and Balkanized, we're all in our own little worlds with personalized Spotify/Apple Music playlists and earbuds and nobody really cares what anyone else is listening to anymore. Think about it. There was a time when literally everybody you knew owned Zeppelin IV, Dark Side of the Moon, Rumours, The Wall, Thriller, Purple Rain, Jagged Little Pill, and Nevermind. There's no album of the post-Napster era that you can honestly say that about. When's the last time you pulled up to a red light and heard the car next to you blaring the same song you were listening to? Doesn't happen anymore. The shared musical experience is all but dead, nobody is going to replicate that mass cultural impact ever again. That's just something we've lost forever. Comparing Eilish to Cobain is like comparing GVF to Zeppelin. It 's a superficial, apples to baseballs comparison.
Beautifully stated.Though I'll somewhat disagree on the part about people pulling up to the car and hearing the same song. That still happens. That Old Town Road song a few years back was ubiquitous and you couldn't stop hearing it. Even some of Cardi B.'s songs are like that.
Woah this hit the nail right on the head
Yeah, I miss the shared musical experience. It used to be like,
Me: Hey, have you heard the new _____ album?
Them: Oh my God yes! I love it! What's your favorite track?
Me: (continues the conversation)
Nowadays, friends and colleagues are listening to completely different artists. And it's never an album. They're just listening to a Spotify playlist and 3/4 of the time, they don't even know the song name or even the artists name. It's sad.
Yes, the relevance of mainstream music has degraded dramatically, and the whole culture have shifted a lot. People are just less interested in mainstream celebrity culture. Billie Eilish also isn't part of any counter culture, she is as establishment as can be. In Billie's defence artist that are signed to big labels are all usually establishment. In theory music should be selling at much greater numbers, but music sales are far down from the 90's. There are a few reason for this.
An artist in the real counter culture is someone like Tom Macdonald. He is really not everyone's cup of tea, but he did recently score a no. 1 song on Itunes, while being completely independent, that is far more interesting then anything Billie Eilish have done. Rick always does a great job, his series on what makes this song great, is one of the best series on RUclips. But he would not have the balls to cover or discuss and artist such as Tom Macdonald.
Based on all the people in their 40s doing reaction videos to songs that came out in the '90s but that they never listened to because they weren't in their chosen genre, I would say that you're at least partially wrong. I think people now care less about genre labels than they did in the '80s and '90s. Back then, if someone said they listened to all kinds of music, people generally thought they had no or poor taste.
It might also have to do with the fact that all the music today sounds almost identical, so maybe the people listening to older music now are just trying to hear different things. The eras don't resemble each other at all, and 1991 was my freshman year in high school, so I know how influential Nirvana was at the time, but with each passing year, people are making Kurt Cobain to be a more and more significant person while he was still alive, and while I can now say, after having 30 years to listen to everything, that he was *way* more talented than I gave him credit for at the time (and I loved Nirvana), it's not as if he was the only person making amazing music at the time. Think of all those famous albums that came out in 1991. Outside of rap, I can't name 10 albums from the past 20 years that are terribly significant.
My wife and I, both in our late 40s, love her music and what she and her brother come up with. It is outstanding stuff, and they can also perform their songs live with just vocals and piano, and still give the songs the same depth. Truly amazing!
By that logic Linkin Park were the Nirvana of Millenials ... That's bullshit. You can't compare those bands/artist by those standards. Different backgrounds and their actual work matter more and are not compareable.
I'm pretty sure you couldn't have LP without Nirvana happening first, so there is that. The scratchy voice and simple but huge guitar riffs, big reverby drum mixes and such come right from Grunge.
@@matturner6890 There is no question, that all harder music needed the Seattle Scene to happen. But that is not the point in the discussion above.
@@Suomatti So then you *can* compare them, because one needed the other to exist. Also, what 'discussion'? There was only one comment and it's yours lol.
@@matturner6890 The discussion in the comments if you can/should compare Nirvana and Billie Eilish, or even say that they mean the same to a whole generation and have the same effect to a musical genre. Which in my opinion is not the case.
That first song has a strong “Under The Milky Way” by The Church vibe to it.
Indeed! Also, listen for the band "America"
I love under the Milky Way and the church. Great song and band
Steve Kilbey will file a lawsuit now
I agree...and I also hear a Smashing Pumpkins influence in there too.
Sounds like Mazzy Star to me
Nirvana was a reaction to people being tired of glam and butt rock. They literally changed the musical world at the time. I just don't think billie is ever going to do what they did.
@Greg Elchert There kind of are tho, the whole bedroom pop movement was very much inspired by her and Lorde
Yeah especially since her brother does most of the songwriting and all of the producing. If it wasn't for him she wouldn't have a career, he was just smart and knew a female vocalist would sell far better.
@@RSpracticalshooting Her brother dosen't write the most anymore and he never did all of the producing.
I completely agree. The funny thing for me is that i used to only listen to rock music and its subgenres, but one night i sat in my chair, put on my good headphones and listen to Billie Eilish's new song, bad guy, i have heard it but this time i really appreciated it, the textures and all of the little things were really interesting and new for me so i listen to the next song, then the next and the next etc... It completely blew me away and it actually got me into hip hop, that was great, thanks to her i opened myself to a completely new world, and now i get why, she is really something else.
The sad thing about Billie Eilish is that the charts aren't full of artists like her. Not exactly the same musically, but in complete control of her lyrics and her music. 10 billion people in the world, and the entire record industry keeps focused on artists where the *company* controls everything. They don't want music, they want naive artists who will sign bad contracts and agree to stupid suggestions that will keep them beholden to the record company.
dont want her music either her voice sucks
@Jimbo oh no thanx not my flavour at all am listening to Nick Drake atm
@Jimbo I know that Jimbo
I love how so many people in the comments personally knew Kurt and know exactly what he would think of Billie Eilish
Meh you're right there, but eyelash isn't great
Kurt once told me that if you couldnt decide which color your hair should be and you purposely went around calling yourself "Billie" you were no good.
@@harrymallory7963 Sounds like something good ol' Kurt would say. When he came round to eat a bowl of pasta with the family, he would say that same thing too
While there’s undoubtedly a grain of truth to what you say, I would respond to that by saying I love how so many people who obviously didn’t listen to a lot of Nirvana and have seemingly zero understanding of what the band was about and where they came from musically and artistically are suddenly likening their music to someone making music that in no way encapsulates Nirvana’s sound or artistic objectives.
Additionally, to those of us who lived through Nirvana, the revisionist history being applied to the band and Kurt Cobain is really depressing. Kurt Cobain was very free with his opinions. There are certain things he was very specific about hating. He viewed himself as a negative person.
So, it’s safe to hypothesize that someone of Kurt Cobain’s personality would likely find these comparisons to be amusing, at the very least. It’s actually hilarious when someone is built up as the next Nirvana, and you listen to it and it’s a woman and a drum machine dueting with Justin Bieber.
Honestly, Kurt Cobain would probably find this hilarious.
Highly doubt Kurt would like an industry brat like Eilish
Rick proves you can be an elite musician without the elitist attitude.
But it’s more fun with the attitude
Which is a gift that eludes too many people in so many professions.
@@koolmaaan In what way is she an inside plant?
@@williamscott850 he has to make a living. This is his career there isn’t as much for musicians to do as in the past. I don’t assume any big RUclipsr is just like their videos. You never really know.
Billie's full name is: "Billie Eilish Pirate Baird O'Connell". Wait, Pirate? How can you not love that? I've been listening to her since "Ocean Eyes", that song immediately sent my antennae up. This girl is the real deal, the music is strong in her!
I don't even think her music is that good. If she had been around in the 90s, she would have gotten buried in the other good artist out. Even juxtaposed against some of the "underground" artist out now, Dream Wife from Iceland, is a great band. Anyways, people were saying you got to hear Billie Eilish, got to hear, got to hear. Then I finally heard it and basically thought wow, that was the biggest disappoint I ever heard. The Viagra Boys are a great band. Idles are a great UK band. Billie Eilish, has talent, but I just don't believe it's anything creative or new. It's basically sanitized and controlled posing. And for Dave Grohl to say it, doesn't surprise me. While I like Dave, his personality, some of his songs, Foo fighters was a huge drop off from Nirvana. Entertainment wise. My opinion is most music out now is sanitized. We don't have "super stars" anymore. HER is a R&b guitar player. She's more Kurt Cobain than Billie and her Austin City limits was great. Buddy, is a better singer, the band rocks, live band.
love your HER shout out. but one is one thing (rhymes with black) an the other is...the other
@@ricklanders Billie Eilish songs literally have the same standard boring production. all her songs are very bland.
Well effin put.
Metalheads: “The enemy of my enemy is actually just the same enemy”
Lmfao. That's the most metalhead thing I've ever heard.
Thats so Metal
It's so true
@@DualThiessen Sad but true...
She is lame. Everything they push is lame. Castrated. Impotent.
"Critics love Kurt Cobain and Billie Eilish."
That's not exactly a vote of confidence.
I don't think a lot of either. I did like Nirvana when I was young though, but they don't hold up that well for me now.
I've been teaching overseas for a few years now and missed the initial Billie Eilish hype. One day I was doing a placement test for a teenage girl, got to the speaking section and asked her to tell me about someone that she admires. Most students will mention their parents because they think that's a good way to score points, but this girl gushed about Billie Eilish and only knew her from Bad Guy at the time. The way this kid talked about her made me buy in. I play in 3 punk bands, don't really listen to much else usually. But the way this girl can speak to people with her songs, her image, what she makes visible to the world, I totally agree with Dave on this.
My 14yo daughter has been enamored by Billy Eilish for quite a while. I think the comparison to Cobain is apt -- certainly for my daughter going through the middle school blahs, Billie is a beacon of light. She is inspiring my daughter to start playing the piano again. Hopefully, other kids are seeing what Billy is doing and they start emulating her as well.
Regardless of how people feel about her music I think people really need to at least appreciate how refreshing it is to have a role model for young girls that isn't one of the Kardashians. Her music encourages girls to be who they want to be, be proud of their own style and not conform to the manufactured, fake and plastic images other "influencers" post on social media.
@@DerekF-u7e LOL, how exactly does she differ from those influencer personalities you mentioned? There is absolutely no originality, authenticity or artistry in her music. Literally NONE! The comparison with Cobain is completely nuts and moronic. Her brother may be very talented in things like music production and selling her sister's public image, voice or "pretty face" as a "product" to a related audience but that's about it. She is definitely not an artist and musically she's generic at best.
And she has an ethical stance as well...whats she eats and some other choices are also making her a good role model for the upcoming generation.
The Eilish vocals in the song in this video sounds a lot like the direction Lana Del Rey has gone.
She's very talented, but I think Billie Eilish sounds the same in every single song. Kind of like Adele. Both great singers, but I don't see much variety.
And like many many others, too. This sound isn't bad at all but it's still quite generic (to me).
Yo dont say that i need a pillow now and a rose of romantic love
Directionless in the world is not boring is a nightmare that never ends
Billie definitely stands out among the current crowd. But I think awards and titles like "voice of a generation" should only be given out in retrospect, after Father Time has passed his judgment.
I agree, came to the comments just to find you.
Rolling Stone had an article calling Cobain the "Spokesman" of his generation in 1992. If the media ever waited to make declarations about this sort of thing it was a long damn ago. Too lazy to look it up (difficult to find citations for something this old via the internet), but I would almost guarantee Dylan had the "voice of" title before he even went electric
@@dann7411 Well, since you have added no explanation or details of who exactly has over-rated her and why they are wrong... your opinion surely must surely be true
Agreed. Nirvana (and the Beatles) led seachanges in music that swept away the old and brought in the new. Even a generational talent like Whitney Houston couldn't claim that, and neither can Ms Eilish... At least not yet. The impact of them Beatles and Nirvana was obvious even while they were at the peak of their popularity, not years later.
So no one is a "voice of a generation" while that generation is present?
Billie Eilish is basically a modern Brazilian bossanova singer backed by a modern indie sound. Her melodies are straight up Marisa Monte or even Ed Motta.
true I get some bossa nova vibes from her as well sometimes
Interesting observation.
ta chapando tio
lol this is interesting, one of the tracks on her new album is going to be "Billie Bossa Nova".
I really don't get the obsession with this girl. It's above average pop but the way people rave about it being groundbreaking is hard for me to get.
same and i can't just accept that she's just not for me and move on, it annoys me that i can't see what the hell people see in her lmao it's frustrating
there are things i dislike but can perfectly understand why others like it, but with her... i 100% do not get it
Its not for me to be disagreeing with Nirvana's drummer, but when he says "When I look at someone like Billie, I'm like......rock 'n roll is not even close to being dead", I kinda go - this is rock? Rock is something entirely different. BIllie is just a goth-pop-folk curiousity at this point - the songwriting is very good, and the themes may be similar to the ones that inspired Kurts followers, but this isn't the future of rock because its not rock, LOL. I could even suggest Billie is embodying and writing about the death of rock. I'm not saying this style is NOT the future of music - in fact it could be. But if rock's anger and fight is gone now, is this all thats left? Just despair? This is just morose and I'm not ready for a steady diet of it.....
ok no one
I'm 36 and don't want to become one of those old guys who hates new music and only listens to the music he grew up with. Billie Eilish is one of those artists I've really grown to enjoy. Another one to check out is Joji.
I second Joji to Rick to listen to as well
Dude! Right there with you, I don't want to lose all of the good things that will come later in my life, because they are not "good enough"
A joji review would be great
Man you should check out pretty much anything acoustically Chealse Wolfe does them. Or even Mykur. They've been having this sound for years. This is nothing new.
@@hllymchll I've been into metal for 14 years and I live in Iceland fuck what anyone says lol
They both are talking in terms of popularity and her music being a cultural phenomenon. Which is completely true. Yeah, there have been dozens of artists like her to do similar music, but guess what? Kurt Cobain took inspiration and influence from his peers in music, even going as far to say he “ripped off The Pixies”.
Well put. Billie Eyelash is incredibly dull and boring compared to Chelsea Wolfe who has a full decade on Eyelash. And Chelsea isn't overproduced.
Yes, I immediately thought of Chelsea. The Unknown Rooms album, which from 2012.
I checked out Chelsea Wolf. I see how someone could hear resemblance. Soft voice, dark accompaniment, dark depressing dreamlike subject matter. But I’m sorry, no. From what I hear, Chelsea’s sound is born from dark metal. The chordal arrangements are good but simply aren’t fresh. They aren’t challenging. They aren’t going unexplored places. Eilish is part French film, part Hole, part hip hop, part goth (I guess..) part McCartney, part Leonard Cohen.. in my mind, no comparison..
Billie has another quality that I think gives her the new title of Rock/pop voice of our time, she’s exposing us to the world of the overparented, spoilt brat. But I love that. Her job is not to represent OUR idea of rock rebellion-antiestablishment, stick it to the man, rock, punk, rap stuff. Her job is to tell the story, the angst of THIS generation, not ours. Spoilt, entitled, coddled, confused, lost, depressed .. again, I love it. Rock’s job, as a cultural phenomenon is to represent the young. To tell their story in an attempt to bend the arc,. To be heard.
Musicians who have been writing songs for years with real instruments and no autotune watching this video like: 🤨🤦🏻♂️
@@jslimefeld You don’t know that for sure. There are tons of really good musicians who never make it.
_Time and chance happen to us all._
@@jslimefeld yours is worse
Billie Eilish wouldn't be known without her brother, co-writer, engineer and producer... Finneas O'Connell.
This is downright insulting to me for Dave to say that. She wouldn't be anything without her brother.
@@Madchris8828 agreed
Ok? And she gives him the due credit.
Think of all the singers out here who won’t. Give her some credit bro
And no one would know about Finneas if it wasn't because he decided to work with his sister who has more personality and arguably a better voice. It's called teamwork.
She's talented for sure but I find her music incredibly derivative.
Well you would, because every generation grows older and says that about the new stuff
BE is very impressive. She is really reaching with her songwriting and taking chances. I’ve heard stuff that reminds me of a 1940’s jazz club singer. I’ve heard singer songwriter acoustic stuff. Of course there’s the top 40 that she’s know for which is also interesting and her own style. She is different.
Damn. We’ve lowered the bar so low for pop stars that if they make a regular song with a real instrument and no autotune they become kurt cobain LMAO
Lol was gonna say the same thing. It’s also a lot easier to stay in tune when you whisper through ever song.
@@PapaShongo25 i also kinda feel like Rick is shilling for views with this video. Like cmon dude youre losing credibility now
nah, that's far from all. You don't get her, and that's ok
Aurora was the artist to start Billies career, Billie said her self. Aurora is another artist that is self made. Did you check her out?
I heard about here when she sang with Wardruna. It's incredible band. Einar Selvik is amazing.
Aurora has a perfect voice but sadly she doesn't have that much content
LOL are you tryna say Billie Eilish was self made? Hahahahhahahahhahah
@@turneryoung905 According to Rick Beato she is.. She and her brother..
Please dont take it from me.
@@finn8012 three albums in 5 years is pretty good, and she has a ton of singles
This might be the best compliment a person can give a songwriter
Her brother is her songwriter
Songwriter - yes, musician - not really
Eh its subjective, especially for rock fans bc you already have a bias.
But in my opinion its not bad company to have
@@marcinmcula99 yeah Kurt was an intermediate player but advanced in songwriting
@@rsohlich1 therefore they aren't even comparable in any sense.
I read the title as Kurt Cobain: “Dave Grohl is the Billie Eilish of This Generation”
an I was struck for a moment
I can imagine the confusion lmao
I imagine Kurt would say something like that...😂😂😂
And You where struck for a moment.
@@znzp250 thank you sir, you are right
Maybe Kurt was right? hahaha
Don't want to compare Kurt Cobain with anyone. Even the most popular or talented.
He is just special and out of any analogues of different generations.
@Helen Gvozdovskaya I agree... I really dont see how someone can compare an iconic Grung band to a teeny bopper that whispers when she sings
@@tinaturnerization "Whispers when she sings" Yeah, aside from the fact that you didn't pay attention to the video, which is filled with conventional singing, whispering into a mic is great if you can make it work, it's one of the great things about electric amplification. And Kurt was great, but he wasn't that much more special than any other rock star in the end. He had great talent, but deification is not healthy. Let's hope Eilish avoids the depression issues he had.
@@RCAvhstape I hope Eilish will be all right.
you didn't even watched the video
@@tomasbarra433 I haven't finished watching it.
LOL a rich girl with parents working in music production and entertainment management who home schooled her so she could specialize as a musician by the age of 8 is basically the antithesis of Kurt.
Billie Eilish is too busy having documentaries made about herself and her self-importance. I’m sure Kurt would love to do that. She wants to be known for her edgy lyricism to make up for growing up spoiled, groomed for the music industry, and without any significant cultural influences around her (hence why she did everything she possibly could to try to be associated as a hip hop act before she trashed hip hop the second she didn’t need it anymore).
Dave loved to keep his distance from Kurt by shaming him for his drug use, and never even tried to see Kurt once he heard he was out of his coma. Mark Arm and Mark Lanegan hate his guts. God I wish Kurt was alive but even more I wish a lady he became best friends with in Olympia in 1987 was alive even more to educate you all on how garbage this is. I love you and miss you everyday, Mommy.
Woah🥺
Completely agree, she is too pretentios and not genuinely sencere. Cannot even be compared to Kurt - even if we are talking about music only
totally agree as well. Also the first time I heard her I thought it was nothing new and sounded like someone else. First time I heard Kurt, there was nothing like it ever. Completely new. Sorry. Its not a fair comparison to Kurt.
She's not rich,her and Finneas bought their parents' home for them
Sorry, maybe I am an old man already but I just dont get it. Although I love Ricks passionate analysis. I am a Grammys voter. I still cant understand how "Everything I Wanted" won best record except for those darn "secret committees." I was so disappointed. "Colors" by Black Pumas has so much more integrity/ soul/ work ethic. I dont get it, this ASMR that is currently being sold to us as music. I predict Eilish will go down the way Lorde has, shes having her moment but we wont hear much out of her soon. Finneas will become a super pop producer...
She has already surpassed Lorde by miles. We will see what the future holds. And I love "Everything I Wanted!" Two old guys disagreeing. That's okay too.
I'm a 64 year old classic rock guy in NYC, and have been BLOWN AWAY by Billie Eilish, her brother, and their music for a few years now. Their first album was made at home - she was only 14 when she cut some of those tracks - and they're ALREADY incredible. Her first studio album, "When we all fall asleep" is simply incredible. Beutiful, moving, unique. I have to admit that I am NOT as in love with her newest album, though I listened to it only once. Will give it another go. btw - if you want to see an AMAZING and MOVING live performance, watch Billie and Fineas perform "I love you" on SNL. Holy. The comments say you could hear a pin drop in that audience, and I beleive it. This young woman is VERY special.
Rick dissecting Billie’s music is awesome. Taste of music shouldn’t be based off of generation and thus further proves it. Great music is great regardless of time period or artist or style
For me her music is forgettable. Nothing really sticks. I just listened to " everything i wanted" and I thought: Really?! Hard to explain. I would much rather listen to Agnes Obel, Tori Amos or any other talented female musician.
Kurt Cobain was truly rebellious and groundbreaking. Since then the media has manufactured a rebellious ethos in an attempt to match Cobain’s marketability without the liability. Hence, Billie Eilish.
Btw, not saying she isn’t talented. But they are not the same
I'm curious: how is she rebellious? I've heard that a lot but maybe my definition of being rebellious is not the same as others. No hate intended.
Comparing artists is an exercise in futility. I don't like Nirvana a great deal but they have some great songs. Billie Eilish has some great songs as well but why try to compare them? Other than clicks. When music reviewers say "someone is the next someone", it's hard to not tune them out because I prefer hearing an artist without prejudice. I never in my life have purchased music based on what someone else thought. Same with awards shows like the Grammys or the putrid Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame. The music matters not the awards.
Well mate let's be real here. Nirvana wasn't the most out there and rebellious thing out there in late 80's/early 90's either. Nirvana was a pretty tame and radio friendly version of the underground stuff from 80's that inspired people like Cobain. They were the most out there thing to become a mainstream phenomenon. In the same way, Billie Eillish isn't as out there as someone like Julia Holter, but she certainly channels the a rather raw and bare emotional energy that contrasts sharply with the overblown pop-trap crossovers that ruled the charts over the last 5 years or so. I think it's also rather cynical to call Cobain 'real' and Eillish 'manufactured' when A: Nirvana wouldn't have come close to there current legend status without massive media support and B: ignoring the ludicrous media hate Eillish receives, both from rockist media outlest, as well as tabloids seemingly obsessed with her body. Cobain isn't a saint to whom no-one shall be compared to, and I honestly think he himself would cringe at the idea of being seen as 'better than all the new kids'.
Mazzy Star wants their vibe back.
Hope Sandoval wasn't as privileged or hyped AND was easier to look at.
Vastly different
Thank you, accept Sandoval seemed sweet.
I would compare her to Mazzy way more than Cobain. Except Eilish is just a sellout and her brother writes everything they make.
Except Hope also was the most beautiful women in music in that era... without question
Bad guy a rock song? No it’s not in any way. The fact that she don’t use auto tune doesn’t make her a good singer. Overrated pop mediocre music that s not gonna last more than few years. She s only good when compared to current level of pop music, which is the worst ever. If you are more than 18 and listen to Billie eilish it’s embarrassing
And I disagree. That's why the internet is so wonderful. Neither of us are wrong. I think the same thing about Metallica. That's just my opinion. You may disagree. Doesn't mean you're wrong.
Agreed. Just really bland music.
The first thing I heard by Billie Eilish on the radio was "Ocean Eyes", seems like it was a year before "Bad Guy". I liked it, and her, straight off. She & Finneas are making good, _interesting_ music.
Ocean Eyes is still probably my favorite Billie song.
Let's just hope her inner demons aren't as awful as Kurt's. She's really a sweet person from what I've seen. Very kind to her audience.
Unless they are men, whom she said are all "weak". But they have cash, so...
I hope I'm wrong but I think her trajectory will be more akin to Alanis Morissette. Her songs will define this era but slowly we'll hear less and less.
@@jonathanrandall4140 she is still very young,she has plenty of time to grow out of this thoughts
Well hopefully she's leading the way for another movement of females like the '90s
@@kakashihatake6176
Kurt never did.
It's not just blasted auto-tune...it's also the rush to "fix" timing, mistakes, HUMANNESS. Take for example VH I, "Ain't Talkin Bout Love"--if you listen closely to Eddie's opening riff, the second time round on the motif he leaves one note out, and in all other repeats adds it back in. Mistake? Artistic license? Who knows other than Eddie (RIP) But chances are high that if that happened in the studio today the powers that be would "correct it."
Good observation. I agree.
I can hardly express how gratified I am that Rick finally got around to Billie Eilish, and stunned to see him deliver a 100% indorsement. I am a retired music journalist (age 79), and when I read a review of a concert by August Brown in the Los Angeles Times a few years ago I was shocked by his total rave. I had not listened to '"pop music" for a few years, but after that I had to look her up. I was blown away by how terrific her music is in so many ways, as Rick detailed. Thank you so much for telling it like it is and thereby putting her detractors to shame. (I use the email handle "Jack Frost" for personal reasons. My actual name is Ronald Maxson.)
Rick, this is 100 percent spot on. My 12 year old daughter loves music, and plays music. Piano, guitar, ukelele. Her favorite musicians: Nirvana and Billie Eilish. What a treasure you are sir. Thank you!
Nirvana is garbage and so is she.
@@robertpalmer4806 people generally listen to Billie Eilish because everyone does and if you like her stuff than even better. On the other hand people listen to Nirvana beacause it’s seen as “Cool” 🤘 to do so and again if you like like their stuff even better
However the majority society generaly thinks it’s not cool to talk about or associate with lyrics about drugs, Suicide or just bad mental health in general and in this regard I feel like Nirvana is a big exception
@@robertpalmer4806 facts, only sane person here
I love how even the few snippets you played from the album doesn’t nearly do it justice. If anyone who watched this liked the snippets he played, I strongly encourage you to check out the full album, you won’t be disappointed.
it’s like saying “who is the tupac of mumble rappers” “who is the shakespeare of netflix writers” “who is the rembrant of finger painters”
Well said
I personally don't think Eilish is a brilliant songwriter, by any stretch. Her songs are ok but to call that amazing songwriting shows how far music has fallen. Cobain was an incredible songwriter
What hit did Kurt have at 13 yes old?
Thank you! Finally someone in this comment section who isn't massively overrating her in order to feel cultured or with the times. You got it exactly right saying her songs are okay. That's it.
@@miketeabag6501 People definitely act like sheep when something is trendy because I recall some years ago people acting the same way over a singer called Lorde, talking about how amazing her songs are, how groundbreaking and unique, how she's the new...blah blah blah. Nowadays Lorde and her songs are pretty much forgotten, 5 years later. Her songs are not classics. I can bet you Billies slurred Temazepam vocals and low fi sound and vocals will be in the dustbin of history within the next 2 years, and everybody talking here up here in comments would have largely forgotten her. I really mean no disrespect, I honestly believe that the music business doesn't cater towards longevity anymore.
One thing. I was 22 when Nevernind was released. Rick said that Billie Ellish can be one out of generation. Our generation had so much more *once in the generation * Artists. Nirvana was the obvious one but there were so much more. Rage agains the Machine. Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, The Prodigy, Oasis, Metallica Black Album was out same time,Masive Attack Man I'm so grateful That I was in my 20s the whole 90s. 😀👍
Good call. . For me it was Alice in Chains
Also, Radiohead, Bjork, Fiona Apple, PJ Harvey, Jeff Buckley, Portishead... the 90’s are seriously underrated in my book. It depends on how picky you are on ‘once in a generation talent.’ But there were undeniably a lot of idiosyncratic artists that made it big.
What. No
Except kurt didnt have an older brother writing most his stuff
Billie Eilish has written the songs too. Most of their songs have been made together. Kurt Cobain was ripping off other metal artists. Listen to Killing Joke "Eighties". It's "Come As You Are" with different lyrics. Kurt killed himself because he was a thief.
@@Rekko82 you don't really disprove my point. Kurt had a few songs that he ripped off but most were totally original. Billie eyelash would be just another teenage wannabe without her brother.kurt killed himself because the world is filled with assholes like you
@@prestonjones4941 So you don't believe Courtney Love killed her? I never thought any Nirvana fan would be as smart as you. I guess you still hate women.
I'm a rocker and Billie's music feels fresh. That ballad from her first album really surprised me the first time I listened to it.
Hopefully she and her brother know how to handle their fame and keep doing music and reach the top of their potential.
For me it doesn't because I've heard the same music from Devics, Mazzy Star, Cowboy Junkies, Mojave 3 and Elysian Fields.
@@orlock20 yeah but this is for a new generation, she is only 19, and her live performances are already like an army of teenagers singing, i believe thats what dave ghrol was talking about, the excitement of this movement. Time will tell if she is an actual legend but so far so good. Its fresh in tue sense of the current climate in the industry and modern times.
@@dann7411 yeah well that's just like your opinion man.
I am happy for Rick. He is an industry guy, so he has to listen to what is popular so he can stay abreast of the production tricks and trends. But every once in a while he comes across music that he really *connects* with. You can tell that Billie Eilish's music nourishes his soul a little bit after listening to the vulgar, mechanical, assembly line music that rules the charts these days.
She's good indeed. There are many many real artists out there who write their own songs and don't use auto-tune. The problem is that they usually don't chart anymore. Nik Kershaw was spot on when he wrote the song Radio Musicola.
Hadn’t Fiona Apple already done it all 20 years ago without getting the praise she deserved? But I agree that Billie is one of the few pop stars doing something really relevant today. Having said that I think Billie sounds more like a kind Fionna’s redemption than a Gen Z’s Kurt Cobain.
There was a lot more interesting popular music going on 20 years ago, and each generation is going to look for their contemporary innovators
Yeah fiona blows billie out of the water. But billie is really cool
I love Fiona Apple. She was a megastar at the time wasn't she?
@@jeffkung5088 yeah, until she got massive backlash over her VMA speech in 1997 :( she's still a genius and only getting better, her work should get way more attention
I was thinking the same thing. But you can't compare Billie Eilish to Kurt Cobain, that's like comparing Chumbawamba to the Dropkick Murphy's. Nirvana changed the trajectory of alternative music. This won't happen with Eilish's music, and it won't likely happen in current state of popular culture.