Props to Andrew bringing up the current limitations of VR and how it could potentially strain a relationship. Even though unlikely scenario, I think us tech geeks are too focus on the technical specifications we tend to forget about the human element of using a product.
That's not an unlikely scenario. Andrew is just a normal person who forms relationships. Zuck and Facebook bros don't....... They are autistic and have to be reminded they are human
@@tmzz3609 I’m telling you Marques wouldn’t think in that aspect, or at least not mention it in his reviews. A lot of tech people care about “specifications”.
@@Anonymous-yb1ho because if you want to get everything worth your money, you better get something substantial for it in return. You can be all cheery in a miata but if they want to give it the price of a Ferrari yea... The specifications don't match the product. Experience is ALWAYS subjective that's why specification are the only constant unit to measure a products worthiness.
“Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.” ― George Orwell, 1984 “Who controls the metaverse, please don’t let it be Facebook.” - the entire internet.
@@adamsguy2704 techalter got: 1- totally different incomparable content to him comparison here is literary apples to bananas 2- way lower quality 3- many videos I watched about software info is just simply filled with wrong info not the main theme but many stuff he says has mistakes in them I’m not blaming him he’s not a software engineer. but when you say a certain source code works a certain way and you clearly didn’t read it and it shows as it doesn’t kinda bugs me (this is one example of the OS video he did a while back) He’s improving thou and talks about stuff that general public doesn’t know about which’s good But as someone working in the field im not leering anything new from him which’s fine how we MKbHD in the other hands got some interesting videos either interviews or early coverages of things While he doesn’t go too technical I can draw conclusions form how he reviews things When he tests certain software features within a car I can assume what tech they used and I get an aha moment that’s why that company’s a while back got all those conferences talks about X & Y technology
Marques is so well spoken, i just love to hear him explain things. He's a higher calibre of guest than Flagrant usually has and it's evident throught the podcast how the host change their demeanour to match his. 👌🏽
Marques is good in reviewing phones, but this is a whole different ballgame. He's also slightly wrong about the metaverse and that's the reason of it's existence. It's a little bit more dire then Marques lets on here. Facebook came into being as a passion project of Mark and a few of his friends that he later fucked over as an social application for his school. It wasn't the first, as these were popping all over the place, but his was the best compared to the competition as it was attractive for costumers. Now Apple nuked the entire businessmodel; selling data, like all of it and now Mark is desperately searching for a new businessmodel. Welcome to metaverse. It is NOT a passion project, merely a desperate attempt of a cash grab to save his company from going down the drain. And it shows. It's hideous, ugly and not even his own employees want to be in there. They basically are forced to be in there, but not on their own free will.
@@stijnvdv2 I'm 99% sure he has explained this. Not the stuff about the origin of facebook, but he has said they are desperate rn and hoping that VR and AR is the future. Doesn't get into worker conditions, which is unfortunate.
This guy explains things well. Weird hows sometime worlds collide, watched a video of his on the metaverse yesterday that randomly popped up as I was down a tech rabbit hole, and I always have watched Flagrant and Schulz's stand up clips and videos.
@@traplover6357 depends. Some is upbringing, but some is having the thoughts consise in your own head. You can see kids from wealthy upbringings fail to be eloquent because they don't know wtf they are talking about.
I agree 100% with Schulz's points about the headsets isolating you from your family. It's the main reason I've not used my Quest 2 as much as I would like it; I just don't like completely isolating myself like that.
I in the other hand enjoy isolated time sometimes. And my quest 2 gets good use. But i also put down with my wife haha. So shes usually watching tv or something anyway
So did you buy VR thinking it was AR? The whole point of being immersed in VR is to remove you from your surroundings and transport you somewhere else. I definitely see where you're coming from being isolated, Im just not sure what everyone expected with these type of comments. When I put VR on I want to hear nothing and see nothing around me. Thats when VR is at its best. Really tricking your brain so you forget where you even are. Take the goggles off and feeling disoriented/lost in your living room is amazing lol
This podcast is so freaking good. MKBHD sounds so damn knowledgeable about what he speaks and everyone around seems so deeply invested in the conversation. This is just pure gold. Key takeway: Tech conversations between one tech guy and rest normal people are way more interesting than all tech nerds going on about it endlessly.
This is the comment who thinks this way. It depends. Fifty , fifty for me. Also, a tech nerd. So I do actually agree but sometimes I just wanted to see tech nerds talk amongst themselves.
Tech nerds talking to normal people gets boring quickly because they rarely get beyond the basics of a given technology since they spend so much time getting the others up to speed. Sure, it's great for people that also know little to nothing about a given topic, but if you're moderately knowledgeable or more, there's little value in hearing information that you already know.
@@Beatyofeet32 ..with that said, Andrew's channel is a podcast for comedy and sports and not reliant on the tech savvy but rather ordinary ppl....so this interview beautifully panders to the average Joe....hence all the positive reviews it's getting.
Marques is the best tech RUclipsr. He brings a levelheaded analysis regardless of how they line his pockets, or how cool something may seem. I've been a fan for years but his chill yet biting critique of the new Hummer was flawless. It was a master class really.
2 things to consider...META spends more on AI and Insta stories than they do Metaverse meaning in the more immediate future they will continue to make insane money to fund it and 2nd this is the company that everyone said overspent on Instagram....$1.5 Billion!!!
Wrong. Go read their last two earnings reports. Their net income fell over 50% YoY the last quarter. It doesn’t matter what a company spends money on if those channels aren’t generating growing revenue.
@@user-pt1kj5uw3b how are they printing money when their stock tanked 70%? Zuck still has to answer to the shareholders and make them money. He is losing incredible amounts of wealth for a product nobody believes in.
I think there is a real question about more efficient screen time. How much of your current “screen time” would stop interfering with other activities if you could truly interact with it through AR. Prolly 10-15% of mine. So they might get more engagement in less time, which would be a win win. But more likely we just get more sucked in.
this shit is only going to make people more introverted. as a 90s kid you can literally see the change in people's interaction after internet got popular. people rarely prefer to talk face to face without any sort of previous interaction through chat. this slowly turned into people just not going out to find someone else since they can just do that sitting at home thus they get awkward in real life. this metaquest whatever will only isolate people more, this will legit turn people like those japan's otakus (actual otaku not the western meaning of otaku) which is very unhealthy. From entertainment POV it's the best future no doubt.
@@AdamantMindset I'm sure some people do that but platforms like VRChat have helped far more people deal with their insecurities than it has caused them.
Everyone wanted a cellphone when they came out. The only problem was it was expensive. No one wants to be in the Metaverse. Sure, it could be a stepping stone, but burning 3 billion a quarter and expecting to get there without going bankrupt is a totally different thing. It’s like having newspaper company in 1870, but then deciding your company will now focus on flying cars. Not cars with 4 wheels and combustable engine, but straight to flying cars without the technology or find a use for it.
I mean our society got used to phones so it's sadly not impossible, it won't be my generation it'll be the next one that's gonna wanna dive into VR which will only increase the problems people are having with social media
100 years ago, people can live without the internet. 50 years ago, people can live without phone. Now these are not WANTS but NEEDS. 50 years from now, I won’t be surprised if being in the Metaverse will become a necessity.
The push is going to be with that whole office within the headset thing. This is how they control you when you work from home. Imagine your boss just being able to look at everything you are looking at to see what you are doing during the day. Companies will get rid of office space and just have these things with people being able to jump in and out.
2:51 that's a great point. Social media/internet as is rn has made children and adults into mindless drones imagine no human interaction when Metaverse becomes the new thing for future generations, it's unhealthy
I don't get that. Unlike Social Media where all you see are texts, you actually hear the voices of people in VR so that's more human interaction not less.
Dont worry. Soon u will see metaverse going to garbage. Future is of augmented reality which has real world professional application along with recreational activities which apple is doing. Then VR can also be great as AR progresses is the underlying thought which apple knows well. Apple has all home grown environment to creat the VR world. They are just awaiting the point when they are fully confident to be there. Plus euro companies and companies like NVIDIA with omniverse and all beats metaverse hands down.
@@kaushalmaithi6019 while they're waiting the competition is getting years ahead of them. There's more to this than just making a headset. You need an ecosystem behind it and as of right now iOS has exactly 0 VR apps available while the competition offers thousands of titles. Even then people complain there isn't enough content..
@@qtcollect4608 human interaction isn't virtual tho, it still limits the experience to basically a phone call , not healthy. Further more this is just a crazy invasion on privacy camera running all the time it's bad path to go down.
i think getting the idea is not the problem. the problem is the tech (far from being awesome), the price (its just too costly), the lack of software (the games look ridicolously poor) and the acceptance of VR. the mass market is very very far from adopting this stuff. its a niche but meta cannot make money with a niche.
The consumer market stuff typically comes last. It's already used for military applications (advanced flight sims), high end business like i think they use it in car design, and then niche markets like streamers and rich hobbiests. Then later it will flood consumer markets when the production cost is down and the tech is up. What is more likely, though, is advanced reality. Glasses and contacts that have screens, integrated tech that may help disabled folks like neuralink. AND LOADS of data harvesting. But if you think about it all that stuff is really not too far off from what we have now in our phones. Sounds scary but you're already here.
Here's the issue. Everyone is dumping on it, and while the wisdom of crowds is a thing, I can't help but feel because everyone is against it that it'd be a good idea to invest in it.
I worked at a pawnshop not too far from google, we put a pair of google glass on sale on our eBay store but apparently it was the non released version of google glass and cops showed up the next day and it was on Engadget and verge lol. Turns out one of the googlers brought in a sex worker after late Night Shift and she “took” it with her on the way out 😂
@@USMC0331OIF Yes, you’re sad. You can simply Google the story. Is your life so uninteresting that you think uninteresting things can’t happen to other people?
I like how when you asked what's your wife supposed to do? He's like in my perfect future relationships won't exist anymore...anyone who will use Meta won't have friendships or relationships.
The finale of Ready Player One is so ridiculous. People punching air in the street. A person without a headset could have run through the street and kicked everyone's ass before they realized it.
I don't understand why people are shitting on Facebook/Meta for going all in on VR/AR. The tech is amazing and it is the future. People act like Facebook is the only company that does target advertising based on your search history and viewing habits. All the large tech companies do the same thing, and I don't see consumers bugging out on Google, Microsoft, Apple etc.
Remember the early 2000s when the guy cut his computer screen off and popped it in the glasses - then only he could see what was on the computer, that’s literally what I can see Meta doing with VR
The transition to wearing these full time will absolutely happen. I upgraded from the gen 2 AirPods to the Pro 2 and I now wear them all day with just a small break to charge them.
Drugs + Mental illness will never end well. You can literally replace VR with almost anything and it will always never end well because of the drugs and mental illness. It doesn't make VR bad lmao
"Whats the future going to be? Seems like it is going to be VR and AR". That doesn't even make sense and as an IT consultant, let me tell you that 1) There aren't that many VR jobs out there 2) No company is really seriously considering any kind of VR implementation for the most part. It is something that can generate investor money and you will see a few marketed headsets and metaverses etc etc but none will be a going concern. The reason for this is that VR adds a pointless layer upon reality that doesn't improve processes in any way and if anything inhibits them. For example, UIs and data is usually displayed in VR on 2d planes, essentially screens within VR. Removing the VR layer and just viewing those layers on actual screens in the real world is easier, clearer and just better. VR sits well within the domain of video games and that is where you will see the most uptake. Zuckerberg has made a serious error of judgement by thinking that it is possible or desirable that people spend any prolonged length of time in the metaverse.
What are you on? The guy is just a RUclipsr. Reviewing phones, laptops, screens.. Whoever hears you will think this guy is Edison 2.0 or something.. grow up.
Did a 35 day, we’ll call it retreat, with no phone…. It’s insane when you get it back how much of a headache it gives your for first couple days back… couldn’t even use it for like a week
If I were to purchase any of this technology, I would want to have full control of it with zero control from the IT firm. FB or Meta (or whatever next he calls it) has a terrible track record of honoring customer's privacy and has little regard to the importance of a strong control environment. It is simply not a company you can ever trust and it will never be. It routinely breaches privacy controls.
No company is our friend, that's why we have to elect abled leaders from bottom up and make sure we create and update the laws and frameworks that govern us. FB, Google Apple or whatever corporation it is their only goal to maximize profits.
@@santiagol9008 If you know how to use your pc no one is listening or watching you. Also its pretty hard to keep record of ones identity. That being said it requires an effort that most don't apply
Competition is what makes things better. The space race, the fact the Soviets and USA were competing made us reach the moon faster. The fact Samsung, Google and Apple were neck and neck it made them all push further. The HTC VIVE and Rift both pushed eachother to be better. Having a fully META frontier isn’t just bad logistically, it’s bad for the momentum of creation.
Schulz is right...complete isolation that ar and vr create will never be tolerated. Smartphone time, although excessive and isolating, provides at least some grounding
To me the AR experience shouldn't be in a VR type headset. It simply needs to be a better version of Google Glass from a decade ago. Nobody wants to wear a huge device like the Oculus on the go, but Google Glass is a fantastic form factor. VR on the other needs to separate the use from the world. Sure it can also do AR, but it's not something you can take on the subway without looking like an android
Thinking about past big inventions, it was made out of necessity. The inventors had the foresight to think that we needed it and it bettered our lives. Modern inventions all the way from the railroad, to electricity, to cars, internet and the phone, it became so ingrained in our lives. Meta and it’s idea of the metaverse needs to tell me why I will need this in my life. If it’s something I can live without, it will flop.
To reduce phone screen time. Turn it off. Whoever is texting me or calling can wait. That's what I do. Also, I will be staying in the real world, sorry Meta.
I don't get why everyone is expecting VR/AR glasses to be as small as regular glasses. If you're playing a VR-game, you WANT to be immersed! Also, the experience of having 3, 4, 5, a bazillion screens on you work desk is also way worse of you are distracted by the actual world around you, and also having to deal with stray light coming in from all sides. I think we just have to accept that VR is checking out and being unreachable, and that's a reason that we can't and wont be wearing them all the time.
I think what many people are missing is that the headsets will be converted to glasses. They want to have AR glasses that are also capable to do what your smart phone does. An integrated way for everyone to surf the web together, watch streams and play games. Forget the headset its just the first phase!
Meta still has Carmack and Abrash. The 2 greatest 3d programmers alive. They'll win this thing just because of them. Everyone else will be scratching their heads how Meta gets so much performance out of shitty chips and it's because they just have better code than anyone else when it comes to 3d graphics.
It's not a hiccup. They don't care. They literally think this is the future. This has been a long time coming. Even on a lesser level gaming went from couch coop or couch competitive to tell your friend to get an Xbox or a PlayStation. A lot of games removed local multiplayer further isolating us in our "shared" experience.
While I was a huge gamer when younger, I have naturally moved towards minimizing screen time in all ways possible. In the last 3 years I have sent/received less than 100 texts, I don't use social media (except for this YT account), and tend to check email about once a week. The engagement with the natural light outdoors, exercising, playing music physically, and working my ideas out in notebooks with a pencil far surpasses the engagement and quality of life I reached while involved with screen-based activities. The emotions I receive as the result of having spent a day outside, getting physically involved in some task (like gardening), are unspeakably elevated and illuminating in contrast to a day spent with screen-based tasks. Even if the hardware were to be made smaller and more ergonomic it wouldn't be enough to get me involved.
3:43 ooooh Marques said ass!! That's a bad word! Ooooh... eeeeeeewwwww.... Oooooooooooo!! Just funny cuz he keeps his image really clean and I've seen him on several other podcasts where the other hosts/guests cuss a lot and he remains... Clean. so it brought out my inner 5 year old.. na na 😜
AR and VR are the future, but it's just that. The future. Meta is trying really hard to push technology that is only viable for enthusiasts on a mainstream audience. If they make it very very compact and light then its possible it could really take off, but I think we will see AR glasses before mainstream VR use.
I dont use their headsets due to the facebook integration but if VR/AR are the future then we will need these steps from people like suckaberg. Without him VR could be in a different place right now. Good or bad, hard to say. I would prefer the lucky dude run the show but it does seem like sucka has a passion for it so good on him for putting up the cash.
the dude gets hard criticism and you know his people are not happy about all the money he is wasting. Every article practically condemning him for it. But he seems to give 0 fuks. I can respect that.
Kinda weird to say there's friction when you put the headset on and you isolate your partner... literally anything can do that. Video games included. There's a healthy balance of alone time and partner time, kinda weird to always give them half attention. If being in the VR world hurts your marriage or relationship, you definitely need to cut back. The headset isn't the issue, the lack of quality-focused partner time is. The headset is just a catalyst to your existing issues.
Over the past years I made my own list of pro and cons over VR AR Headsets and the outcome is this (If any one interested ofc) : Pro: + Entertainment System: Imagine, you dont need to go to the cinema anymore because of the high resolution Video and Audio ( Visual, Sound with bass ). Or Sportsgame, where you dont need a ticket to sit in the front row, instead, every one is in the front row (or that even reserved) to see POV(person of view) actions NEXT to the sports field - kinda almost like you are almost inside the sports game, so close but only next to it. Or movies with live interactions and decision making like on some movies on netflix. You are in the movie next to the actor and see down the mountain while climbing with someone. + Utility : You have 2 or more Monitors with perfect control like a PC/Laptop/Tablet or Smartphone. No bugs or glitches, everything perfect. I would carry a bag with VR goggles when its compact, has enough battery durration, dont weighs to much and is small. + Space Travel: When NASA would throw rockets out of space and spread ( for instance just to imagine) mini cameras into space that can show us planets/stars or very distant galaxys. In theory this would really work if it is a system kind like a rope , cameras connected with signals in a row, where the endpoint is the last reciver the earth, like a satelite. (or like in electrical engineering series/parallel circui) Country travel would be maybe boring, because we already have that and know that the feeling of experiencing it physically is more awesome that using google Streetview/google earth currently over VR headsets. But it would be awesome if we could smell different things if that would be an possible invention to experience it for more adventure. + Medicine: Doctors can operate over device from one side of the world to another by controlling Scalping machines to help people. But even more precise because of the perfect precision opportunity + Interaction with popular people: Imagine if your favourite actor is using a VR character with 1:1 facial expression, next to you, if he feels like to hang out with fans instead of opening a Twitch/Live Stream, where you can only write in chat. Today it is only possible to do Videochat but it would be more awesome to see the whole face more closer to your eyes. (even tho you could stick your face into the monitor x) but its 2d only instead of 3d + Architecture: You could literally design anything for your flat/house better and see it in 1:1 ratio instead of 2d again here in 3d and walk through it (this also exists already but again, not yet advanced for every consumer with every furniture. Maybe Ikea could create virtual furniture and you can try out everything because there are 3 party apps that give you the opportunity to try out everything. This does sadly not exists. There are some engines, like for example Unreal engine, but not advanced enough for a 30 year old to use it like a Plug and Play system. + Shopping clothes: It would be awesome if I could go into a clothing store and try everything on to see if it would look nice on me. Yes the material and weigh experience is missing but atleast the fashion , shape and colour would be perfect because the system could use my height, body fat/weigh/form to try out. The cons would be: - Human interaction: Never every can a thing replace human interaction enough. Even if there would be a perfect and cheap system for holograms. As long as you cant feel them touch them or exist next to the person, you don't get the same feeling. Also, you kinda lose the fun part of society. - Battery problem: I cant imagine how they will solve this when high resolution and high/heavy usage comes into the play. Laptops with high specs even can only have a maximum durration of (macbook pro 16) 21 hours of Video watching and 14h of using internet. When using process heavy apps or gaming comes into the game, the time decreases alot. I dont know if fast charging is the solution here but it should be, because the mac can charge back 50% in 30 minutes. - Virtual experience: Humans that can expirience things that are affordable, like traveling, or shopping may be more fun will stick to us till we die. The only things we want are the extra options that we can't afford or expect like mentioned in the pro list - Getting dizzy: I personally sometimes sit many hours, maximum 5-8h infront of a PC and have fun. But with VR headsets that could be more problematic because of the heavy load of to much on my eye because everything is 3d - Conferences: No one ever will use VR to do confereces with Avatars that are like on animal crossing. Only real 1:1 Facial expressions. We use Microsoft Teams or Zoom Calls. OR at the end, live interactions in real world.
My solution thinking of Zuckerbergs vision would be more logical if he would have invested into the project "github copilot", or Artifical Intelligence, because his goal would be only possible in many years later. AI should implement those listed features instead of humans, because at the end its a mega ton of load of work to accomplish such technology. Money cant solve this destination. AI must do it. There is not enough time for programmers to achive all this goals. You would need the whole world , every single programmer to achive his vision. It is just to much coding. His goal to achive is just not possible by human load currently. We would have to wait at least 30-50 years to finish the Meta verse project. Its like the General artifical intelligence that we try to achive. This should be our first goal to achieve in tech. The internet today as we know it is only existing because the whole world uses it and pulls at one string. Meta is the only company who works on it currently
The metaverse is similar to the personal computers in the early 80s. VR may be the future but the future is not now. The technology still needs decades to mature for mass market consumption.
The funny thing is Schulz is always high energy and this guest who has calm energy actually calmed Schulz down.
You could say his guest is low Keith.
I show myself out now.
@@gangalo68 oooooooooooooo9o
Did you just refer to MKBHD as “this guest” like some random dude?!?
Imagine Schulz and Shapiro together lmao
Because people who get in early can potentially make millions and he’s interested.
Props to Andrew bringing up the current limitations of VR and how it could potentially strain a relationship. Even though unlikely scenario, I think us tech geeks are too focus on the technical specifications we tend to forget about the human element of using a product.
That's not an unlikely scenario. Andrew is just a normal person who forms relationships. Zuck and Facebook bros don't....... They are autistic and have to be reminded they are human
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@@tmzz3609 I’m telling you Marques wouldn’t think in that aspect, or at least not mention it in his reviews. A lot of tech people care about “specifications”.
@@Anonymous-yb1ho because if you want to get everything worth your money, you better get something substantial for it in return.
You can be all cheery in a miata but if they want to give it the price of a Ferrari yea... The specifications don't match the product.
Experience is ALWAYS subjective that's why specification are the only constant unit to measure a products worthiness.
“Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.”
― George Orwell, 1984
“Who controls the metaverse, please don’t let it be Facebook.” - the entire internet.
That wasn't Orwell! I'm pretty sure he was quoting rage against the machine
It won't be Facebook, it'll be Meta* ;)
So who controls the present controls the past and future conclusion
@@dancanning6746 lol
Marques distills tech agendas so concisely, his platform is well deserved.
TechAltar is better
@@adamsguy2704 techalter got:
1- totally different incomparable content to him comparison here is literary apples to bananas
2- way lower quality
3- many videos I watched about software info is just simply filled with wrong info not the main theme but many stuff he says has mistakes in them I’m not blaming him he’s not a software engineer.
but when you say a certain source code works a certain way and you clearly didn’t read it and it shows as it doesn’t kinda bugs me (this is one example of the OS video he did a while back)
He’s improving thou and talks about stuff that general public doesn’t know about which’s good
But as someone working in the field im not leering anything new from him which’s fine how we MKbHD in the other hands got some interesting videos either interviews or early coverages of things
While he doesn’t go too technical I can draw conclusions form how he reviews things
When he tests certain software features within a car I can assume what tech they used and I get an aha moment that’s why that company’s a while back got all those conferences talks about X & Y technology
hes so blewish
He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about is more like it.
@@ItsMrMetaverse2 elaborate
Marques is so well spoken, i just love to hear him explain things. He's a higher calibre of guest than Flagrant usually has and it's evident throught the podcast how the host change their demeanour to match his. 👌🏽
Flagrant
Never use the “well spoken” on a black person, it’s seen as a backhanded compliment.
Marques is good in reviewing phones, but this is a whole different ballgame. He's also slightly wrong about the metaverse and that's the reason of it's existence. It's a little bit more dire then Marques lets on here. Facebook came into being as a passion project of Mark and a few of his friends that he later fucked over as an social application for his school. It wasn't the first, as these were popping all over the place, but his was the best compared to the competition as it was attractive for costumers. Now Apple nuked the entire businessmodel; selling data, like all of it and now Mark is desperately searching for a new businessmodel. Welcome to metaverse. It is NOT a passion project, merely a desperate attempt of a cash grab to save his company from going down the drain. And it shows. It's hideous, ugly and not even his own employees want to be in there. They basically are forced to be in there, but not on their own free will.
@@stijnvdv2 I'm 99% sure he has explained this. Not the stuff about the origin of facebook, but he has said they are desperate rn and hoping that VR and AR is the future. Doesn't get into worker conditions, which is unfortunate.
He's well-spoken because his MIND is well organized
This guy explains things well. Weird hows sometime worlds collide, watched a video of his on the metaverse yesterday that randomly popped up as I was down a tech rabbit hole, and I always have watched Flagrant and Schulz's stand up clips and videos.
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Wow, it's pretty wild to me that there sre people on RUclips who haven't previously seen Marques.
It's no coincidence lmao. It's definitely targeted by RUclips algorithm . Scary how good it can be sometimes
Finally Andrew brings a guest that’s actually smart
andrew should stick to people that make him sound like he makes sense
What is he saying that's smart? He's just talking about vr products
@@ShawnxPerez people always conflate speaking eloquently as "intelligence" when that's just mostly upbringing.
@@traplover6357 depends. Some is upbringing, but some is having the thoughts consise in your own head. You can see kids from wealthy upbringings fail to be eloquent because they don't know wtf they are talking about.
Smart with NO clue regarding this topic and just blabbering nonsense about it.
I agree 100% with Schulz's points about the headsets isolating you from your family. It's the main reason I've not used my Quest 2 as much as I would like it; I just don't like completely isolating myself like that.
Just wait till they’re out of town then you can watch your vr porn
Yeah I am careful about how much I use my headset for the same reason
I in the other hand enjoy isolated time sometimes. And my quest 2 gets good use. But i also put down with my wife haha. So shes usually watching tv or something anyway
I liked the implementation of Wii
So did you buy VR thinking it was AR? The whole point of being immersed in VR is to remove you from your surroundings and transport you somewhere else. I definitely see where you're coming from being isolated, Im just not sure what everyone expected with these type of comments. When I put VR on I want to hear nothing and see nothing around me. Thats when VR is at its best. Really tricking your brain so you forget where you even are. Take the goggles off and feeling disoriented/lost in your living room is amazing lol
This podcast is so freaking good. MKBHD sounds so damn knowledgeable about what he speaks and everyone around seems so deeply invested in the conversation. This is just pure gold.
Key takeway: Tech conversations between one tech guy and rest normal people are way more interesting than all tech nerds going on about it endlessly.
There needs to be more of that
This is the comment who thinks this way. It depends. Fifty , fifty for me. Also, a tech nerd. So I do actually agree but sometimes I just wanted to see tech nerds talk amongst themselves.
Tech nerds talking to normal people gets boring quickly because they rarely get beyond the basics of a given technology since they spend so much time getting the others up to speed. Sure, it's great for people that also know little to nothing about a given topic, but if you're moderately knowledgeable or more, there's little value in hearing information that you already know.
@@Beatyofeet32 ..with that said, Andrew's channel is a podcast for comedy and sports and not reliant on the tech savvy but rather ordinary ppl....so this interview beautifully panders to the average Joe....hence all the positive reviews it's getting.
@@tekmepikcha6830 Yup, which makes perfect sense. Both formats have value depending on the audience.
Marques is the best tech RUclipsr. He brings a levelheaded analysis regardless of how they line his pockets, or how cool something may seem. I've been a fan for years but his chill yet biting critique of the new Hummer was flawless. It was a master class really.
The meta verse is like the pyramids…where everyone is working towards a few people’s dream.
…soon to be abandoned.
Biometric data collection
@@daebak7370 isn't it always
2 things to consider...META spends more on AI and Insta stories than they do Metaverse meaning in the more immediate future they will continue to make insane money to fund it and 2nd this is the company that everyone said overspent on Instagram....$1.5 Billion!!!
Not to mention they’re still printing money with all their products. As much as I hate Meta/FB people are really underestimating them.
Wrong. Go read their last two earnings reports. Their net income fell over 50% YoY the last quarter. It doesn’t matter what a company spends money on if those channels aren’t generating growing revenue.
Elon overspent on twitter, more then fb spent on Insta
@@user-pt1kj5uw3b how are they printing money when their stock tanked 70%? Zuck still has to answer to the shareholders and make them money. He is losing incredible amounts of wealth for a product nobody believes in.
Everything they release for this looks so cheesy. And if they think that is great…it really disappoints.Ya know?
I think there is a real question about more efficient screen time. How much of your current “screen time” would stop interfering with other activities if you could truly interact with it through AR. Prolly 10-15% of mine. So they might get more engagement in less time, which would be a win win. But more likely we just get more sucked in.
Yo thanks for having a tech person on the pod.
Schultz is like a sponge of knowledge. Really fast in absorbing things that is something new
I already can't distant myself from my phone, so I'm probably gonna be trapped in metaverse.
Same bro, same.
this shit is only going to make people more introverted. as a 90s kid you can literally see the change in people's interaction after internet got popular. people rarely prefer to talk face to face without any sort of previous interaction through chat. this slowly turned into people just not going out to find someone else since they can just do that sitting at home thus they get awkward in real life.
this metaquest whatever will only isolate people more, this will legit turn people like those japan's otakus (actual otaku not the western meaning of otaku) which is very unhealthy. From entertainment POV it's the best future no doubt.
This is a huge step up from our current text based social media. People are standing there, they emote, they speak, you see them. It's different.
@@Thezuule1 yea they can fake their avatar to hide their insecurities. basically never having any motivation left to work on it.
@@AdamantMindset I'm sure some people do that but platforms like VRChat have helped far more people deal with their insecurities than it has caused them.
RUclipsr gamers earn more money than the extroverts you knew in school.
So true. Soon will be manga zombies walking around here wanting to marry their robots.
Everyone wanted a cellphone when they came out. The only problem was it was expensive. No one wants to be in the Metaverse. Sure, it could be a stepping stone, but burning 3 billion a quarter and expecting to get there without going bankrupt is a totally different thing. It’s like having newspaper company in 1870, but then deciding your company will now focus on flying cars. Not cars with 4 wheels and combustable engine, but straight to flying cars without the technology or find a use for it.
I mean our society got used to phones so it's sadly not impossible, it won't be my generation it'll be the next one that's gonna wanna dive into VR which will only increase the problems people are having with social media
100 years ago, people can live without the internet. 50 years ago, people can live without phone. Now these are not WANTS but NEEDS. 50 years from now, I won’t be surprised if being in the Metaverse will become a necessity.
Buying meta stocks?
The push is going to be with that whole office within the headset thing. This is how they control you when you work from home. Imagine your boss just being able to look at everything you are looking at to see what you are doing during the day. Companies will get rid of office space and just have these things with people being able to jump in and out.
Wow your right like they showed us that in back to the future 2 they hid in plan sight
They already micromanage remote workers
2:51 that's a great point. Social media/internet as is rn has made children and adults into mindless drones imagine no human interaction when Metaverse becomes the new thing for future generations, it's unhealthy
I don't get that. Unlike Social Media where all you see are texts, you actually hear the voices of people in VR so that's more human interaction not less.
Dont worry. Soon u will see metaverse going to garbage. Future is of augmented reality which has real world professional application along with recreational activities which apple is doing.
Then VR can also be great as AR progresses is the underlying thought which apple knows well. Apple has all home grown environment to creat the VR world. They are just awaiting the point when they are fully confident to be there.
Plus euro companies and companies like NVIDIA with omniverse and all beats metaverse hands down.
@@kaushalmaithi6019 while they're waiting the competition is getting years ahead of them. There's more to this than just making a headset. You need an ecosystem behind it and as of right now iOS has exactly 0 VR apps available while the competition offers thousands of titles. Even then people complain there isn't enough content..
His point made no sense since you just have to agree on what you and the other person will do together.
@@qtcollect4608 human interaction isn't virtual tho, it still limits the experience to basically a phone call , not healthy.
Further more this is just a crazy invasion on privacy camera running all the time it's bad path to go down.
i think getting the idea is not the problem. the problem is the tech (far from being awesome), the price (its just too costly), the lack of software (the games look ridicolously poor) and the acceptance of VR. the mass market is very very far from adopting this stuff. its a niche but meta cannot make money with a niche.
The consumer market stuff typically comes last. It's already used for military applications (advanced flight sims), high end business like i think they use it in car design, and then niche markets like streamers and rich hobbiests. Then later it will flood consumer markets when the production cost is down and the tech is up.
What is more likely, though, is advanced reality. Glasses and contacts that have screens, integrated tech that may help disabled folks like neuralink. AND LOADS of data harvesting. But if you think about it all that stuff is really not too far off from what we have now in our phones. Sounds scary but you're already here.
as an android and pc user, I have never wanted apple to stick it to the competition until now
Your transition to the ad scared the fuck outta me lol
as an old guy it's crazy to think how much goes into having a "social life" these days. it must be exhausting.
Ayyyy its Markass Brownie
THE FIGHT VIDEOS FR
Love your logical structured approach in discussing this.
ive been his fan and MKBHD for a while, im glad he made his way up here or down here lol #marquesbrownlee
Here's the issue. Everyone is dumping on it, and while the wisdom of crowds is a thing, I can't help but feel because everyone is against it that it'd be a good idea to invest in it.
Good instinct
I worked at a pawnshop not too far from google, we put a pair of google glass on sale on our eBay store but apparently it was the non released version of google glass and cops showed up the next day and it was on Engadget and verge lol. Turns out one of the googlers brought in a sex worker after late Night Shift and she “took” it with her on the way out 😂
Lmao
Source
- Trust me Bro
@@USMC0331OIF Are you sad?
@@black_tech_owner nope, I just don’t believe a ridiculous story on a RUclips comment.
@@USMC0331OIF Yes, you’re sad. You can simply Google the story.
Is your life so uninteresting that you think uninteresting things can’t happen to other people?
I like how when you asked what's your wife supposed to do? He's like in my perfect future relationships won't exist anymore...anyone who will use Meta won't have friendships or relationships.
Anyone who use it at the moment is in that position.
I was not ready for this crossover episode.
You are so right about the isolation! I stopped racing in VR because of it.
The dude laughing in the background 🤣
The finale of Ready Player One is so ridiculous. People punching air in the street. A person without a headset could have run through the street and kicked everyone's ass before they realized it.
I don't understand why people are shitting on Facebook/Meta for going all in on VR/AR. The tech is amazing and it is the future. People act like Facebook is the only company that does target advertising based on your search history and viewing habits. All the large tech companies do the same thing, and I don't see consumers bugging out on Google, Microsoft, Apple etc.
"Watching climbing videos" yeah, okay there Schulz 😏
Remember the early 2000s when the guy cut his computer screen off and popped it in the glasses - then only he could see what was on the computer, that’s literally what I can see Meta doing with VR
Best ad for the Apple Watch I’ve seen. I’m on my way to order one now
I think it be cool if theres a shuffle home screen app feature. To try to mitigate mindless app usage.
2:43 "you're in a different world"
*mysterious foreign hand appears
The transition to wearing these full time will absolutely happen. I upgraded from the gen 2 AirPods to the Pro 2 and I now wear them all day with just a small break to charge them.
At 2:45 Andrew makes a good point.
This kid is seriously connected…
VR + Drugs + Mental illness will never end well.
Drugs + Mental illness will never end well. You can literally replace VR with almost anything and it will always never end well because of the drugs and mental illness. It doesn't make VR bad lmao
That sounds awesome tbh. Imagine being high while riding though a virtual spaceship
@@professor1262 I do that, almost every day.
I also drive high in GTA VR.
It's a good time let me tell you.
Poisonous combination
"Whats the future going to be? Seems like it is going to be VR and AR". That doesn't even make sense and as an IT consultant, let me tell you that 1) There aren't that many VR jobs out there 2) No company is really seriously considering any kind of VR implementation for the most part. It is something that can generate investor money and you will see a few marketed headsets and metaverses etc etc but none will be a going concern. The reason for this is that VR adds a pointless layer upon reality that doesn't improve processes in any way and if anything inhibits them. For example, UIs and data is usually displayed in VR on 2d planes, essentially screens within VR. Removing the VR layer and just viewing those layers on actual screens in the real world is easier, clearer and just better. VR sits well within the domain of video games and that is where you will see the most uptake. Zuckerberg has made a serious error of judgement by thinking that it is possible or desirable that people spend any prolonged length of time in the metaverse.
Marques is a critical cornerstone of culture in the last decade. Been setting the bar for a long time
What are you on? The guy is just a RUclipsr. Reviewing phones, laptops, screens.. Whoever hears you will think this guy is Edison 2.0 or something.. grow up.
@@Checkmate025 no he’s right, you just had to be there 🤭
Oh god.. imagine if there was a camera in the arena of an nba game and you could connect on it with your headset and watch the game in VR live
I have the Oculus Pro, it's very good.
Did a 35 day, we’ll call it retreat, with no phone…. It’s insane when you get it back how much of a headache it gives your for first couple days back… couldn’t even use it for like a week
If I were to purchase any of this technology, I would want to have full control of it with zero control from the IT firm. FB or Meta (or whatever next he calls it) has a terrible track record of honoring customer's privacy and has little regard to the importance of a strong control environment. It is simply not a company you can ever trust and it will never be. It routinely breaches privacy controls.
and you wrote that from a pc or cellphone true an account that has all your data and its listening to you ?
So edgy
hahahaha you're never getting that, their whole economic model will be to get even more info from you to sell to their main customers.
No company is our friend, that's why we have to elect abled leaders from bottom up and make sure we create and update the laws and frameworks that govern us.
FB, Google Apple or whatever corporation it is their only goal to maximize profits.
@@santiagol9008 If you know how to use your pc no one is listening or watching you. Also its pretty hard to keep record of ones identity. That being said it requires an effort that most don't apply
Competition is what makes things better. The space race, the fact the Soviets and USA were competing made us reach the moon faster. The fact Samsung, Google and Apple were neck and neck it made them all push further. The HTC VIVE and Rift both pushed eachother to be better.
Having a fully META frontier isn’t just bad logistically, it’s bad for the momentum of creation.
Schulz is right...complete isolation that ar and vr create will never be tolerated. Smartphone time, although excessive and isolating, provides at least some grounding
Very deep 2:59
😂😂😂😂
AR windshield on a car with heads up displays might be the future
To me the AR experience shouldn't be in a VR type headset. It simply needs to be a better version of Google Glass from a decade ago. Nobody wants to wear a huge device like the Oculus on the go, but Google Glass is a fantastic form factor. VR on the other needs to separate the use from the world. Sure it can also do AR, but it's not something you can take on the subway without looking like an android
To be fair though, Google did try AR glasses and it failed terribly.
“Andrew did you do the thing?” And I’m on like brazzers or something 😂
Love this collar. Both are one of my favorite RUclipsrs.
Google Glass didn't work! Just saying AR is still not acceptable in public spaces. No one wants to be recorded constantly
AR-it’s like wearing an Iron Man headset with a heads up display. I hope the tech improves in my lifetime.
I think this panel would be very different with a Gen X on it. I don't think we will go for vr like everyone else.
could the headset eventually be made into a contact lens
Thinking about past big inventions, it was made out of necessity. The inventors had the foresight to think that we needed it and it bettered our lives. Modern inventions all the way from the railroad, to electricity, to cars, internet and the phone, it became so ingrained in our lives.
Meta and it’s idea of the metaverse needs to tell me why I will need this in my life. If it’s something I can live without, it will flop.
The perfect implementation will definitely work, but doing it is another question.
Me: I'm not too much on my phone
Also me: Watching this on my phone
To reduce phone screen time. Turn it off. Whoever is texting me or calling can wait. That's what I do. Also, I will be staying in the real world, sorry Meta.
Im sure there is a comedian out there who thinks if he does a podcast with headset ON, maybe his podcast will also get big 😂
Meta definitely isn't the top of the food chain when it comes to VR
I don't get why everyone is expecting VR/AR glasses to be as small as regular glasses. If you're playing a VR-game, you WANT to be immersed! Also, the experience of having 3, 4, 5, a bazillion screens on you work desk is also way worse of you are distracted by the actual world around you, and also having to deal with stray light coming in from all sides. I think we just have to accept that VR is checking out and being unreachable, and that's a reason that we can't and wont be wearing them all the time.
Umm. How are they not mentioning Google Glass?
I can see AR working but VR? Hell nah, those headsets get uncomfortable pretty quickly.
What Marques is talking about is the google glasses. Too bad Google gave up too early on that product and they were way ahead of their time.
I think what many people are missing is that the headsets will be converted to glasses. They want to have AR glasses that are also capable to do what your smart phone does. An integrated way for everyone to surf the web together, watch streams and play games. Forget the headset its just the first phase!
You're still going to be in your own world, void of the outside world. This is all so stupid.
Think of how comfortable you are with your headset. That's what the AR will be.
Meta still has Carmack and Abrash. The 2 greatest 3d programmers alive. They'll win this thing just because of them. Everyone else will be scratching their heads how Meta gets so much performance out of shitty chips and it's because they just have better code than anyone else when it comes to 3d graphics.
Well, they need to let these two(?) guys work their magic before they roll this sad little thing out.
Yeah but the monitor thing isn't VR. That's AR.
This was such a good talk! I can sooo relate to getting stuck in the phone vortex. Lol
It's not a hiccup. They don't care. They literally think this is the future. This has been a long time coming. Even on a lesser level gaming went from couch coop or couch competitive to tell your friend to get an Xbox or a PlayStation. A lot of games removed local multiplayer further isolating us in our "shared" experience.
It’s the timing and the tech.
Marques the best tech RUclipsr, period
why does the host feel like an italian mafia guy who didn’t get into crime but got into being a talk show host
Air Ar Glasses are pretty nice to have
AR glasses is the future, not a VR headset.
That's a good discussion. Why are people calling Marques Brownlee as MKBHD by the way?
Andrew talking about relationships... Is straight out a black mirror episode
While I was a huge gamer when younger, I have naturally moved towards minimizing screen time in all ways possible. In the last 3 years I have sent/received less than 100 texts, I don't use social media (except for this YT account), and tend to check email about once a week. The engagement with the natural light outdoors, exercising, playing music physically, and working my ideas out in notebooks with a pencil far surpasses the engagement and quality of life I reached while involved with screen-based activities. The emotions I receive as the result of having spent a day outside, getting physically involved in some task (like gardening), are unspeakably elevated and illuminating in contrast to a day spent with screen-based tasks. Even if the hardware were to be made smaller and more ergonomic it wouldn't be enough to get me involved.
Do these other guys offer anything to the show?
So you guys are on Veve then right ?
Google was working on this way back via google glass , I think they have something brewing in the back
Isn't Microsoft already doing AR
3:43 ooooh Marques said ass!! That's a bad word! Ooooh... eeeeeeewwwww.... Oooooooooooo!!
Just funny cuz he keeps his image really clean and I've seen him on several other podcasts where the other hosts/guests cuss a lot and he remains... Clean. so it brought out my inner 5 year old..
na na 😜
AR and VR are the future, but it's just that. The future.
Meta is trying really hard to push technology that is only viable for enthusiasts on a mainstream audience. If they make it very very compact and light then its possible it could really take off, but I think we will see AR glasses before mainstream VR use.
I dont use their headsets due to the facebook integration but if VR/AR are the future then we will need these steps from people like suckaberg. Without him VR could be in a different place right now. Good or bad, hard to say. I would prefer the lucky dude run the show but it does seem like sucka has a passion for it so good on him for putting up the cash.
the dude gets hard criticism and you know his people are not happy about all the money he is wasting. Every article practically condemning him for it. But he seems to give 0 fuks. I can respect that.
Gamers and fb community guidelines don't go well together. Someone's getting 24hr mute and 30 day banned every minute.
This is the chillest i ever seen the gang
If we can fold phones I think can make VR headsets smaller
Kinda weird to say there's friction when you put the headset on and you isolate your partner... literally anything can do that. Video games included. There's a healthy balance of alone time and partner time, kinda weird to always give them half attention. If being in the VR world hurts your marriage or relationship, you definitely need to cut back. The headset isn't the issue, the lack of quality-focused partner time is. The headset is just a catalyst to your existing issues.
Over the past years I made my own list of pro and cons over VR AR Headsets and the outcome is this (If any one interested ofc) :
Pro:
+ Entertainment System: Imagine, you dont need to go to the cinema anymore because of the high resolution Video and Audio ( Visual, Sound with bass ). Or Sportsgame, where you dont need a ticket to sit in the front row, instead, every one is in the front row (or that even reserved) to see POV(person of view) actions NEXT to the sports field - kinda almost like you are almost inside the sports game, so close but only next to it. Or movies with live interactions and decision making like on some movies on netflix. You are in the movie next to the actor and see down the mountain while climbing with someone.
+ Utility : You have 2 or more Monitors with perfect control like a PC/Laptop/Tablet or Smartphone. No bugs or glitches, everything perfect. I would carry a bag with VR goggles when its compact, has enough battery durration, dont weighs to much and is small.
+ Space Travel: When NASA would throw rockets out of space and spread ( for instance just to imagine) mini cameras into space that can show us planets/stars or very distant galaxys. In theory this would really work if it is a system kind like a rope , cameras connected with signals in a row, where the endpoint is the last reciver the earth, like a satelite. (or like in electrical engineering series/parallel circui) Country travel would be maybe boring, because we already have that and know that the feeling of experiencing it physically is more awesome that using google Streetview/google earth currently over VR headsets. But it would be awesome if we could smell different things if that would be an possible invention to experience it for more adventure.
+ Medicine: Doctors can operate over device from one side of the world to another by controlling Scalping machines to help people. But even more precise because of the perfect precision opportunity
+ Interaction with popular people: Imagine if your favourite actor is using a VR character with 1:1 facial expression, next to you, if he feels like to hang out with fans instead of opening a Twitch/Live Stream, where you can only write in chat. Today it is only possible to do Videochat but it would be more awesome to see the whole face more closer to your eyes. (even tho you could stick your face into the monitor x) but its 2d only instead of 3d
+ Architecture: You could literally design anything for your flat/house better and see it in 1:1 ratio instead of 2d again here in 3d and walk through it (this also exists already but again, not yet advanced for every consumer with every furniture. Maybe Ikea could create virtual furniture and you can try out everything because there are 3 party apps that give you the opportunity to try out everything. This does sadly not exists. There are some engines, like for example Unreal engine, but not advanced enough for a 30 year old to use it like a Plug and Play system.
+ Shopping clothes: It would be awesome if I could go into a clothing store and try everything on to see if it would look nice on me. Yes the material and weigh experience is missing but atleast the fashion , shape and colour would be perfect because the system could use my height, body fat/weigh/form to try out.
The cons would be:
- Human interaction: Never every can a thing replace human interaction enough. Even if there would be a perfect and cheap system for holograms. As long as you cant feel them touch them or exist next to the person, you don't get the same feeling. Also, you kinda lose the fun part of society.
- Battery problem: I cant imagine how they will solve this when high resolution and high/heavy usage comes into the play. Laptops with high specs even can only have a maximum durration of (macbook pro 16) 21 hours of Video watching and 14h of using internet. When using process heavy apps or gaming comes into the game, the time decreases alot. I dont know if fast charging is the solution here but it should be, because the mac can charge back 50% in 30 minutes.
- Virtual experience: Humans that can expirience things that are affordable, like traveling, or shopping may be more fun will stick to us till we die. The only things we want are the extra options that we can't afford or expect like mentioned in the pro list
- Getting dizzy: I personally sometimes sit many hours, maximum 5-8h infront of a PC and have fun. But with VR headsets that could be more problematic because of the heavy load of to much on my eye because everything is 3d
- Conferences: No one ever will use VR to do confereces with Avatars that are like on animal crossing. Only real 1:1 Facial expressions. We use Microsoft Teams or Zoom Calls. OR at the end, live interactions in real world.
My solution thinking of Zuckerbergs vision would be more logical if he would have invested into the project "github copilot", or Artifical Intelligence, because his goal would be only possible in many years later. AI should implement those listed features instead of humans, because at the end its a mega ton of load of work to accomplish such technology. Money cant solve this destination. AI must do it. There is not enough time for programmers to achive all this goals. You would need the whole world , every single programmer to achive his vision. It is just to much coding.
His goal to achive is just not possible by human load currently. We would have to wait at least 30-50 years to finish the Meta verse project. Its like the General artifical intelligence that we try to achive. This should be our first goal to achieve in tech. The internet today as we know it is only existing because the whole world uses it and pulls at one string. Meta is the only company who works on it currently
@@bernhardtrian7471 You do realize A.I. is not some sort of magic?
This guest is too smart for this show
Simply put, it's like in Valériane and the thousands city, when they go shopping.
The metaverse is similar to the personal computers in the early 80s. VR may be the future but the future is not now. The technology still needs decades to mature for mass market consumption.