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Does the Quran really say the Sun sets in a muddy spring?
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- Опубликовано: 8 окт 2015
- In this video I look at one of the biggest errors found in the Quran - a verse stating that the Sun sets here on Earth in a muddy spring. I look at common apologist arguments & show how they fail in their efforts to spin the blatant error.
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References / sources:
Egyptian mythology on sun travelling on boat, setting on Earth, travelling through underworld:
www.landofpyram...
Quranic verse (18:86) - Muhammad Pickthall translation:
www.searchtruth...
Islamic apologist websites trying to explain problem away:
www.answering-c...
This site is perhaps the most absurd of the lot.
They seem to make things up as they go along, changing the meaning of Arabic words entirely, going way off topic at times, shouting "miracle" every 10 seconds, they also claim people in East Asia have their particular eye structure because of the Sun over there being different somehow. It's quite a laughable page if you have the time to read it.
www.speed-light...
This apologist argument doesn't bother trying to argue much, they just claim it's a mistranslation! A mistranslation that somehow all Arabs for 450 years after Mohamed also misunderstood in native Arabic!
www.quran-error...
This page outright lies to its readers in the hope they won't double check its claims. The dishonesty here is pretty astonishing and shameful. The page claims that early tafsirs backed the current position that it was only setting this way from DhulQarnayn's viewpoint, they then go on to ignore ALL tafsirs written in the first 450 years.
They make a mention of a tafsir that was written between the 5th and 6th centuries of the Islamic calendar. They don't give you the date of the tafsir, its author died in 516 AH according to this page
www.maktabah.or...
But they say this tafsir quotes somebody who lived hundreds of years before him, saying he also thought it wasn't literal and use the date of the time this alleged person lived instead of the date of the tafsir as they do for the others.
Arabic version of this video where I don't use translations:
• هل القرآن فعلاً يقول ب...
(Arabic) Tafsir of Tabari regarding verse 18:90 where the people near rising sun are described as "negroes":
www.altafsir.co...
(Arabic) Tafsir of Ibn Kathir of same verse 18:90 where same description of "negroes" is used to describe people near rising sun:
www.altafsir.co...
Frying Pan Lake (Waimangu Cauldron) is the biggest hot spring in the entire world:
www.lakescienti...
whenonearth.net...
Authentic hadith where Mohamed states that the Sun sets in a spring of warm water (number 7026):
archive.org/st...
Authentic hadith telling us the Sun goes beneath God's throne every evening after setting, requesting permission to rise again, (indicating a flat Earth as the Sun is always above half the Earth's surface, not requiring permission to rise again every morning):
www.sunnah.com/...
Brief biography of Tabari:
www.britannica....
Tabari's first volume of his historical work from an Islamic perspective, the History of Prophets and Kings:
Download it here: drive.google.c... (Let me know if the link expires & I will re-upload)
Pages 234-235 explain his understanding of the Sun rising & setting from & into muddy springs on the edges of Earth
Tafsir website I use:
www.altafsir.com/
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I recently read a translation of the Koran that said "He saw the sun setting in an immense ocean" - clearly some Muslims are becoming very creative in their translations so as avoid the obvious scientific blunder!
Even with this translation it stills false,Loll
''He saw'' is not precise and can mean that he actually beleived that the sun is sitting in an (wahatever),so we come back to the same problem of saying that it's from his perspective and the mistake is made by Douh'ul Al Quarnayn,Not Allah (even though ''see'' can place more debate than ''Find'',cause ''Find'' is a more strong word,But Guess What ?
The Koran Does actually say he ''Found'' and not ''Saw'' Hahahahaha
Oh,and Also,''the sun setting IN an immense ocean'' is wrong,The sun doesn't seat IN an immense ocean,if it was a meataphor he could use ''as if'' (and the context doesn't confirm a metaphor) and Again muslims will say No,it's Dhoul Quarnayn who thought it was sitting ''IN'',And it's not a big Ocean,it's only a ''spriing'' that cannot reach the horizon from one perspective
Muslims are so Funny !
Ya he the man saw it sun setting in the mud
Even I many times saw the sun setting in a huge building on top of a hill from my house.
But it is what l looked
Same as there he found it
Kalo I saw a version when 'he found it' was followed in brackets by [ he found it appearing to set..'] . Humans clarifying the perfect words of god.. The irony would be funny if it was not tragic.
Good lies.... Carry on... As devil spirit tickling you..
Quran 18:86
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
"Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness."
DulQarnayn found the sun setting in the muddy spring.
Many a times , I found the sun setting into the sea or into my building roof.
Japan is called the country of sun rise.
Does sun rise from Japan?
Noyon Bhai
Did you even watch the video?
this proves once more that there is no one as knowledgeable as the masked arab. this has quickly become my favirite atheist channel on youtube. i´ll pay to support it.
+stir yotype Well, his Patreon is in the description.
ThunderJuice yes.i´ve noticed that.
+stir yotype Although this is pretty old debate and this person has brought nothing new. Besides this... we Muslims can answer this pretty well. The thing is Masked Arab cannot reply back.
+AminTheMystic Give us the rebuttal then. I wanna hear this...
ThunderJuice
Sure... read my comment. Those that are not replies...
Don't apologize for making long videos! That's what make your videos so great. They go into depth and detail.
Kevin Lunt
٨ يُرِيدُونَ لِيُطْفِـُٔوا۟ نُورَ ٱللَّهِ بِأَفْوَٰهِهِمْ وَٱللَّهُ مُتِمُّ نُورِهِۦ وَلَوْ كَرِهَ ٱلْكَٰفِرُونَ
8 They want to extinguish God's Light with their mouths; but God will complete His Light, even though the disbelievers dislike it.
٩ هُوَ ٱلَّذِىٓ أَرْسَلَ رَسُولَهُۥ بِٱلْهُدَىٰ وَدِينِ ٱلْحَقِّ لِيُظْهِرَهُۥ عَلَى ٱلدِّينِ كُلِّهِۦ وَلَوْ كَرِهَ ٱلْمُشْرِكُونَ
9 It is He who sent His Messenger with the guidance and the true religion, to make it prevail over all religions, even though the idolaters dislike it.
suurah al saf
Ana's that's why u guys become terrorists and Extremists I got ur quotes. Your hate is disgusting as a human u can't another human shame
so now come the point
the particular verse you are talking about
chapter 18 verse no 86
حَتّٰٓى اِذَا بَلَغَ مَغۡرِبَ الشَّمۡسِ وَجَدَهَا تَغۡرُبُ فِىۡ عَيۡنٍ حَمِئَةٍ وَّوَجَدَ عِنۡدَهَا قَوۡمًا ؕ قُلۡنَا يٰذَا الۡقَرۡنَيۡنِ اِمَّاۤ اَنۡ تُعَذِّبَ وَاِمَّاۤ اَنۡ تَتَّخِذَ فِيۡهِمۡ حُسۡنًا ﴿۸۶﴾
Translation: Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness. ﴾86﴿
in this verse ALLAH the GOD ALMIGHTY about him that "HE" found it setting in a muddy spring.... GOD is not telling by himself he points to Zilqarnain that it seems to him that it looks like setting in a muddy spring....
if GOD makes that mistake then point is valid but GOD points to he ...
its not enough further in this particular chapter verse no 90 The GOD ALMIGHTY says :
حَتّٰٓى اِذَابَلَغَ مَطۡلِعَ الشَّمۡسِ وَجَدَهَا تَطۡلُعُ عَلٰى قَوۡمٍ لَّمۡ نَجۡعَلْ لَّهُمۡ مِّنۡ دُوۡنِهَا سِتۡرًاۙ ﴿۹۰﴾
Translation: Till, when he reached the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter therefrom. ﴾90﴿
here GOD ALMIGHTY again talks about him that "HE" found it rising ona people for whom we had appointed no shelter there from
this see GOD ALMIGHTY is not talking about him self :D
i hope it clear misconception INSHALLAH :) i will suggest to read Quran by own self not from others ... islamic phobic people misleading many people thats why i insist read Quran by own self thanks :)
Guys be aware, this channel is giving you false information he himself said he is an atheist and these people whom are supporting him. Are 100% not ex muslims they are just dumbass weirdos who are anti islam and muslims. They are trying to damage your brain. and i am sure the guy from this channel was not a muslim even for a sec. he is just trying to brain damage people.
@@candymi5639 I am an atheist and I would love to stay in Islam if they allow me to marry a girl outside of kitabiyah (People of the book). If Islam restricts me from loving the person I love AND is able disproven by science and logic, then i would definitely leave. In short, I am an atheist in which I left because I couldn't even marry outside of certain religion.... Will you call me an anti Muslim for that? I bet not.
I speak arabic and he couldn't have spoken better Arabic. Zakir nayik on the other hand barely knows a few words with a horribly strong accent. This guy is actually arabic and speaks very well and translation is always on point.
He is an Arab. But his Modern Standard Arabic and its grasp is really poor. And his grasp over Classical Arabic is worse. Quite clearly he isnt well educated. And as anyone who know a little bit about Arabic and Arab world knows he speaks Amiyyah a local dialect. Plus he simply copied this from others.
Same with Christian Prince.I am glad both of Masked Arab and Christian Prince are Arabs
@@AminTheMystic oh really?! Clearly you are trying to make it sounds like he is lying, but instead you made yourself a joke, don’t lie, he is Arabic is really good.
@@rabahfdoul4844 His Arabic is that of a native. Classical is something different. And you don't know what you are on about.
@@AminTheMystic 7th century translations, the experts of Classical Arabic, all claim earth was flat and understood the verse to clearly set in a muddy spring, so what’s your point?
5 years later, this video is still gold.
Hello Abdullah, I have just one doubt. Farid response has already "refuted" APostate prophet about what Masked Arab is saying as Masked Arab and Ridvan used the same arguments.
The objection of Farid was about the throne of Allah who is supposed to be...above the 7 heavens, so if the sun sets in a muddy spring to go to its rest place in ordre to prostrate beneath the throne of Allah whereas the throne is above the 7 heavens, how the sun can be in this muddy spring and under the throne during the night at the same time ?
If the sun goes under the throne to prostrate, it means that suns still enlights the earth after its sets.
Farid concludes that the explanation of Ridvan and the Masked Arab is not accurate and fallacious... How can we refute that ?
@@zhulqarnayn1634 simple because the quran thinks the world is flat fifis refutation just reaffirms the fact the quran thinks the earth is flat.
@@torahemetkiruv8807 yes but that doesn't reply to my question. If the sun is under the flat earth after setting in the muddy water during the night, how can the sun be under the 7th heaven where the throne is, at the same time ?
@@zhulqarnayn1634 the issue is whether the Qur'an tells the Sun sets in a muddy (hot) spring? The answer is clear- it does.
Farid just believes the Qur'an is untouchable truth and cannot contradict to itself & " authentic " hadith . In reality we just have obvious contradiction between what Qur'an reports us and what we see regarding hadith. The Qur'an says that the sun sets in the hot/ muddy spring. People who made up the Qur'an were aware of that story and include it in their book and didn't bother themselves to check out if this corresponds to previous/ another ayah's about the Sun. We have similar case with Maryam and angels, when in the Qur'an Mary twice was told she got pregnant, first by angel Gabriel and in the second by angels.
We have no need to try to combine the hadith and the Koran whatever it takes, when we are dealing with obvious contradictions between them.
Regarding the hadith, Farid still trying to analyse it and make conclusions based on his Islamic view. From the perspective of this hadith , the earth is flat.
we know that the sun brightens the earth at every moment of time, because it does not disappear anywhere. And in that hadith it is clearly stated that after sunset the sun moves to the place of its prostration, and it is after this journey it rises in the east, and so a new day begins according to this hadith. But in reality, the sun always brightens the earth, it does not go anywhere after sunset, only to reappear in the east later. According to this hadith, the cycle of the sun ends after it leaves in the West, and begins after its prostration, when it is allowed to arise in the East. Regarding this hadith it's impossible to see sun illuminating the earth after it's fading at evening
Sorry for my English, I am from Chechnya
Brother don’t be corrupted by the word of the djins
It is pretty clear that the earth is flat in this story.
Of course Muhammad believed the Earth was flat
@infobestkaya lmao, you just gave up on reality for your religion huh
Or you lack literary appreciation. 🤷
I don't think anyone can watch your videos and stay Muslim any longer. Keep making videos; you're doing important work.
+ninjaturtle205 They can stay Muslim after they watch my video... But they can't watch this video, remain a Muslim, and expect to be credible or viewed as intellectually honest...
I have watched & Alhumdulillah I am still Muslim which means the one who submits his will to the creator of the world and all things .!! This straw man argument is a joke .!!! Has no leg to stand on .!! How desperate this fake Arab is lol
Syed S Shahid You just proved my point
Lol.!!! Your argument is too weak anyway if can hire a hall out and invite a Islamic scholar and have a debate , you really think this is new , ppl have been trying it for years specially No Muslim Arabs , think just because there Arab they can understand Quranic Arabic and a expert in the Quran lol anyway no point even getting into it as its weak and has no legs to stand on The Masked Arab
Islam hater it's so easy to see by your posts etc sad very sad mr mighty keyboard warrior troll lol The Masked Arab
Wow! just wow! The amount of depth and evidence and research you do is truly amazing Keep up the good work brother Masked Arab.
"Zach" doesnt know what Maghreb means.
So what does مغرب means in Arabic?
Doesn't it means the place where the sun "physical penetrate" ???
"Physically sets" wow that's laughable...
So if I say *أغرب من بصر
oughroub min *
According to the "Masked clown" it should mean * physicaly set from my eyes* , or what???
Why physical were does the word "جسديا physicaly" appears there ??
Maghreb means * sunset (vanish/disappearing from the horizon...Not penetrating the earth...)
so now come the point
the particular verse you are talking about
chapter 18 verse no 86
حَتّٰٓى اِذَا بَلَغَ مَغۡرِبَ الشَّمۡسِ وَجَدَهَا تَغۡرُبُ فِىۡ عَيۡنٍ حَمِئَةٍ وَّوَجَدَ عِنۡدَهَا قَوۡمًا ؕ قُلۡنَا يٰذَا الۡقَرۡنَيۡنِ اِمَّاۤ اَنۡ تُعَذِّبَ وَاِمَّاۤ اَنۡ تَتَّخِذَ فِيۡهِمۡ حُسۡنًا ﴿۸۶﴾
Translation: Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness. ﴾86﴿
in this verse ALLAH the GOD ALMIGHTY about him that "HE" found it setting in a muddy spring.... GOD is not telling by himself he points to Zilqarnain that it seems to him that it looks like setting in a muddy spring....
if GOD makes that mistake then point is valid but GOD points to he ...
its not enough further in this particular chapter verse no 90 The GOD ALMIGHTY says :
حَتّٰٓى اِذَابَلَغَ مَطۡلِعَ الشَّمۡسِ وَجَدَهَا تَطۡلُعُ عَلٰى قَوۡمٍ لَّمۡ نَجۡعَلْ لَّهُمۡ مِّنۡ دُوۡنِهَا سِتۡرًاۙ ﴿۹۰﴾
Translation: Till, when he reached the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter therefrom. ﴾90﴿
here GOD ALMIGHTY again talks about him that "HE" found it rising ona people for whom we had appointed no shelter there from
this see GOD ALMIGHTY is not talking about him self :D
i hope it clear misconception INSHALLAH :) i will suggest to read Quran by own self not from others ... islamic phobic people misleading many people thats why i insist read Quran by own self thanks :)
Honestly, your logic is very sharp. You counter possible future protests by acknowledging the limitations of the arguments.
The best part is when you logically present a 2+2=4 argument, stick by it, and you don't give in to the apologists that say maybe.
Great video. I've been too far behind the stuff on RUclips.
A book from GOD …….. it’s perfect don’t listen to this crap
@@Chris-pr1hs perfect for fool
Mot gonna lie these kinds of verses are the main reason i became atheist.
i am 21 years old MUSLIM Guy
and i wouldn't believe him until i open my Holy QURAN and i read it
it was shocking! :(
+AA A5 Same happened with me when I first heard about this verse. I thought there was no way it was in there! Then I open it up and read and my jaw dropped! What made it worse was all the lame apologist arguments which just came off as so desperate to try and fix the problem through the silliest means.
Bro...
Dont fall a prey to false propoganda of the religion...
Only science is the truth...
Perhaps more MUSLIMS should open their Holy QURANs and actually read what's in it.
@@LarsPallesen Some do read them but they can't question the stupidity they read because they're afraid.
so now come the point
the particular verse you are talking about
chapter 18 verse no 86
حَتّٰٓى اِذَا بَلَغَ مَغۡرِبَ الشَّمۡسِ وَجَدَهَا تَغۡرُبُ فِىۡ عَيۡنٍ حَمِئَةٍ وَّوَجَدَ عِنۡدَهَا قَوۡمًا ؕ قُلۡنَا يٰذَا الۡقَرۡنَيۡنِ اِمَّاۤ اَنۡ تُعَذِّبَ وَاِمَّاۤ اَنۡ تَتَّخِذَ فِيۡهِمۡ حُسۡنًا ﴿۸۶﴾
Translation: Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness. ﴾86﴿
in this verse ALLAH the GOD ALMIGHTY about him that "HE" found it setting in a muddy spring.... GOD is not telling by himself he points to Zilqarnain that it seems to him that it looks like setting in a muddy spring....
if GOD makes that mistake then point is valid but GOD points to he ...
its not enough further in this particular chapter verse no 90 The GOD ALMIGHTY says :
حَتّٰٓى اِذَابَلَغَ مَطۡلِعَ الشَّمۡسِ وَجَدَهَا تَطۡلُعُ عَلٰى قَوۡمٍ لَّمۡ نَجۡعَلْ لَّهُمۡ مِّنۡ دُوۡنِهَا سِتۡرًاۙ ﴿۹۰﴾
Translation: Till, when he reached the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter therefrom. ﴾90﴿
here GOD ALMIGHTY again talks about him that "HE" found it rising ona people for whom we had appointed no shelter there from
this see GOD ALMIGHTY is not talking about him self :D
i hope it clear misconception INSHALLAH :) i will suggest to read Quran by own self not from others ... islamic phobic people misleading many people thats why i insist read Quran by own self thanks :)
Why would any god send his message in such a way so that nobody can understand it's meaning and everyone debates about what it means?
Isn't that extremely un godlike?
Exactly my thinking too. Well, as they usually say God acts in misterious ways I guess. Even I would be able to write a much better Quran than Allah (Muhammad) but I would not be regarded as a prophet though let alone a God.
So confusing that they've been murdering each other and everybody else world wide for 1400 years ...Satans sickest joke foisted on humanity....
so now come the point
the particular verse you are talking about
chapter 18 verse no 86
حَتّٰٓى اِذَا بَلَغَ مَغۡرِبَ الشَّمۡسِ وَجَدَهَا تَغۡرُبُ فِىۡ عَيۡنٍ حَمِئَةٍ وَّوَجَدَ عِنۡدَهَا قَوۡمًا ؕ قُلۡنَا يٰذَا الۡقَرۡنَيۡنِ اِمَّاۤ اَنۡ تُعَذِّبَ وَاِمَّاۤ اَنۡ تَتَّخِذَ فِيۡهِمۡ حُسۡنًا ﴿۸۶﴾
Translation: Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness. ﴾86﴿
in this verse ALLAH the GOD ALMIGHTY about him that "HE" found it setting in a muddy spring.... GOD is not telling by himself he points to Zilqarnain that it seems to him that it looks like setting in a muddy spring....
if GOD makes that mistake then point is valid but GOD points to he ...
its not enough further in this particular chapter verse no 90 The GOD ALMIGHTY says :
حَتّٰٓى اِذَابَلَغَ مَطۡلِعَ الشَّمۡسِ وَجَدَهَا تَطۡلُعُ عَلٰى قَوۡمٍ لَّمۡ نَجۡعَلْ لَّهُمۡ مِّنۡ دُوۡنِهَا سِتۡرًاۙ ﴿۹۰﴾
Translation: Till, when he reached the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter therefrom. ﴾90﴿
here GOD ALMIGHTY again talks about him that "HE" found it rising ona people for whom we had appointed no shelter there from
this see GOD ALMIGHTY is not talking about him self :D
i hope it clear misconception INSHALLAH :) i will suggest to read Quran by own self not from others ... islamic phobic people misleading many people thats why i insist read Quran by own self thanks :)
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ZENOIST2 lmao did ur god send bible in English? What a dumb prick
I am an Ex-Muslim and now Atheist from Pakistan and i love your videos and explanation. Although i was already an Atheist before i found your channel but your channel reinforced my belief in Atheism.
Welcome back to sanatan dharma (Hinduism) atheism is a path of Hinduism. Change your name from a Arab one back to a sanskrit one of your ancestors / forefathers.
@@satnarayan3189 Lol, atheism is the lack of belief in any religion includingl Hinduism.
Narayan Maragh what kind of a response is this??..do you know what atheism means??
@@aliameraj8845 charvak nastika Hinduism is an ancient atheistic branch of Hinduism. In Hinduism there are many ways to reach spiritual progress both through both God based and non God based devotion/learning. Principle orientated Hinduism and supreme personality orientated.
Narayan Maragh soo if sanatan dharma is a path of hinduism then why does vedas talk about a higher superior being who is the creator of everythng???
You won't see a one muslim willing to debate this man on such topics, especially with him being an ex muslim and fluent in arabic.
He has WAY too much knowledge for them to pick on him but they don't pick arguments with intelligent people most of the r
time.
They pick off the impressionable, not so well educated people.
Knowledge is power!
Hooray for thinking critically!
the world IS flat, check out 200 proofs of flat earth by Eric Dubay
+Walrus Blu Eric dubay's video has been debunked time and again. There is a channel known as M goudsmith that goes through many of the 200 claims as well as other FE fringe theories.
stating that its been debunked doesn't make it debunked. the arguments against flat earth are flimsy and defy logic and genuine science
I'm being genuine and I'm not trying to be antagonistic, the arguments put forth need closer examination and i would love to see the same meticulous research into the fallacy of the Quran applied to the fallacy of the spherical earth too. fair is fair
+Walrus Blu If you genuinely believe the earth to be flat the only logical conclusion is that you haven't researched this topic YOURSELF.
You rely on the word of a pseudo intellectual idiot who HAS been debunked many, many times.
Please explain how people in the northern hemisphere can see star constellations that can not be seen in the southern hemisphere.
Or maybe the retrograde motion of the planets.
There's so many of you clueless people being led astray, purely on the belief it seems, that if you cant see, touch or measure something (curvature of the earth) then it has to be a lie.
Though no real reason is given for these lies, except for the age old power and control of the masses theory.
Do your due diligence and you will find the answers you seek. Either in support of one or the other. If only you stop forcing yourself to believe you are being lied to and decieved about EVERYTHING.
You guys are 500 years behind anyone else seriously.
The quran is nothing more than a mixture of Judeo-Christian scripture and pagan Arab/Persian beliefs. Next time a dawah preacher says to me that the quran is full of modern science (which 99% of the time they do) I will gladly mention this verse about the sun setting in a muddy spring and watch them awkwardly try to explain it. Thank you for uploading this The Masked Arab :)
Koran is just cheap porn.
sha1017906 Seems that the Quran relies a lot on ad-hominems rather than providing evidence for its claims and criticisms, sorry not convinced,lol
dont risk ur life brq
your videos are the most comprehensive videos regarding islam though I've seen david wood's videos also but the way u block the "escape routes" of muslim apologetics is unmatched
nonsense
go and study basic literacy
Quran has many genres.
Some times scientific
sometimes a story.
sometimes historical
sometimes legal
sometimes theological
This is clearly a story. The character zul karnain is seeing or finding the sunset in a muddy well.
(Ps, You cannot even talk about sunset and science literally because the sun never actually sets anywhere.)
Tafseer's are not always true. It is a qualified opinion to be respected. Tafseers are good when they use another verse from Quran or saying of the prophet as supporting evidence.
Feel sorry for you lot.
It is surgical in it exhaustive efficient.
@@NaseerAhmad-hy2mv and Quran says that the sun sits that mean that the Quran does not know a thing about science
i am such a fan man ! as an apostate i can only encourage you to do more video , to free our muslim friend !
can u free usef estes first
one hundred thousand thank you's Masked Arab! no matter what, you will always have a place at my dinner table, and in my modest home. love you buddy!
+madquiver2 100,001 you're welcomes. Thank you.
+The Masked Arab I would really appreciate it if you could help to double check something for me, as my Arabic slides around, somewhere between "non existent" and "terrible" too "needs google" ! but, i've been working out my own list of qurans clear errors, and I like to call this one "the error of pairs"... 13/3 says "all the fruits have pairs of male and female" 36/36 says "all living things that grow from the earth are in (mating) pairs" 51/49 says "all things are made in pairs" 55/52 "every kind of fruit, in pairs". when you add in 6/143 "or what the two females may carry in their wombs"and 35/11 again claiming two females cannot get pregnant, it would seem to me that Allah doesnt know about parthenogenesis? or asexual fruit reproduction? the argument i've been having seem to center around the different uses of the word "pairs", its route words and its true meaning, and how, in some cases listed above it is "zawjayni" (13/3 and 51/49) or l-azwāja (36/36) (43/12) but 55/52 says "zawjāni". some also translate 20/53 to say pairs, (Yusuf Ali didnt) but, the word used there is "azwājan". so, essentially, the question boils down to the different words used. they are either "azwājin" "zawjayni" "azwājan" "l-azwāja" "zawjāni" (oh and... some people have already told me that 6/143 only applies to goats? but other native arabic speaking apostates say that it is more openly worded than just meaning goats? and could therefore apply to any two females?) anyway, sorry for the long one! of course, it will take time and effort for you to go through these, but I would be honored if you would cast an eye over this, and of course... it would really make my year if you made a short youtube about it! thanks again.
madquiver2 Yes, I agree. It appears that the Quran assumes everything is in pairs and doesn't seem aware of parthenogenesis.
+madquiver2 HAHAHAHAH not even wikiislam uses quran 6/143 as an argument neither has anyone done that.
A pair does not have to be sexuel pairs, it literelly says pairs, in asexual creatures a pair of cells sparks the sexual reproduction. There is no problem with this verse lmfao
MovvEE Scarface sorry, again in English? I simply posed a question. why the over reaction?
Dude, please keep doing your videos. People actually need them to wake up.
I am muslim and I like your videos very much. It´s interesting to look at this topics from a scientific point of view
thats how it starts my friend.
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله
If you want a response to this video you can post your E-mail adress and I will send it to you cengiz
Why don't you put the response up here? So other people can watch it and comment on it?
Unfortunately for the moment the response is in pdf form so I can't load it up.
Hopefully soon we will post a video in response however a timescale for that is unknown
You can upload it to Google Drive or Dropbox and link to it here.
Bro the same verse of "mudy water" Made me raise questions and i directly asked the imam that why it is so. It turned out that the imam was more ignorant than the author of the verse.
Therefore i read quran without being an indoctrinated muslim and came to your videos
The logical conclusion will be for you to leave Islam.
Don’t listen to the djins brother
Pray that allah guide you to the right path
@@Chris-pr1hs Ah! The jinn, for which we have no evidence of their existence. You might as well tell him not to listen to unicorns, trolls, and fairies. Oh, ... and ghosts.
I usually share videos with my friends but they can't watch because they're offended by the usage of certain language in the way criticism is put, but I honestly love how you say your points, it's something I can also share! Thank you again!
+The Masked Arab, Wow I never knew about all this stuff... I thought the Quran was perfect and had no mistakes. You really inspired me! Thank you for your videos and keep it up.
+Attila the Fun, I'm not muslim you ignorant degenerate.
+Attila the Fun, bye
Bladeblazer he dosnt understand the Arabic language the word used is wajada search it up and look at its meaning. One meaning is 'it appeared to be' so it appeared to the person in the story that it set in a spring. Just like when watching a sun set on a beach, it looks like the sun is setting in the water but it isn't so it appeared to be to him. Plus the Qur'an talks about the planets being in there own orbit. So clearly surah kahf meant it appeared to be
alex cowan my brother he even don't know the meaning of magrib didn't you noticed the whole argument was based on the English translation of the word magrib that is sun set but does word guroob really means to set or it means to disappear .and by the way when was the last time your imam told you don't follow magrib does it meant don't follow the setting place of sun to know a language u have to know how people take a word in their culture this fake Arab grajuated from a Cristian missionary tries to fool people by using translations.assalamo alaikum and thank u we r a ummah.
It is lie read my comment fully please quran has no mistakes
What a great analysis! After this I look into Quran in our own language and it tells what he exactly said. 😳
كمل تطبيل لا تهتم
شوف الفيديو ذا رج رح يشرح لك ruclips.net/video/bO5BYhVOh_0/видео.html
I think the biggest argument against every holy book is the fact that ANYONE (even one person) can legitimately argue against one single interpretation. Like, say someone wrote an alternative to the perfect meaning. they should be clearly struck with some kind of holy punishment for altering almighty god's perfect word.
If there was an almighty god, one would think that its most holy word would be absolutely clear in its meaning and impossible to argue against. (at least, one would think so....).And of course, that one specific interpretation would perfectly line up, without question or doubt, to every single one of the most insignificant observations about nature). Clearly, every single holy book betrays itself as less than almighty god's highest priority: the infallibility of his perfect revealed word.
+F!@#Guilt Plus, the Quran claims to be clear.
***** Its as clear as the water where the sun sets.
all religions are MAN MADE.
the ancient religions won't be very accurate when it comes to science/mathematics.
the trick is, DOES YOUR RELIGION ADJUST to new scientific discoveries?
or does it threaten violence when the real world doesn't fit with the ancient texts?
+F!@#Guilt
If there was an educated god, he would use a perfect language to speak directly to everyone, without any interference.
If there was an educated god, he would use mathematics. Yet there's barely even one single formula in the qur'an... or in any religious book for that matter.
+Meh watch the mathematical miracles within the quran with a open mind and heart
Missing you so much 💙
I absolutely love how thorough he is in debunking these passages
YOU JUST CAN'T MAKE IT UP
A Muslim on RUclips named Salim Ehmad once wrote “If you label Islam as anti-science then how can you explain the fact that Muhammad...travelled to space on horseback?”
+bangfarang I got an email notification of a new message today on one of my videos of some guy saying "Nazi Jews have killed 700 billion people in the last 10,000 years"... give that man a history class to teach!
And, The Masked Arab, humanity is allowing itself to be swallowed up by such brainless blarney! The compliance is stupefying! Are new dark ages MANDATORY?
Thank you for your incredibly comprehensive video.
+The Masked Arab Actually in sura 18, there is ONE other passage many seem to overlook. it is the one following the sun setting. the ISSUE IS THE wall made out of iron and lead/copper, whatever that second one may be.
on the color-chart: (when heating up the material) “red" indicates a temperature of over 800 Celsius! (it starts at one low 500 DEGREES)
Water evaporates at 100 degrees C!
To accomplish it it is required:
Material: Iron & Lead
Know how:
build the necessary tools to accomplish it,
HUGE movable “blow-torches” which can produce HEAT to heat up a great segment of the wall.
Protective gear, to get even close to it, to “pour” molten lead into the cracks of the wall which is well over 690 C HOT.
one cubic meter [m³] iron can be calculated as as having a weight of 7,8 tonnes or 7.800 Kilo.
Taking a base of one and a half Meter for the wall, with a length of 25 meters to span:
The bottom layer alone (with one meter height) is already 293 tonnes, now since the wall gets longer at the top, I took the liberty to add to the length each time one meter, to close the gap to the mountain.
so the next layer is one meter thick, but 26 meters long this gives me 203 tonnes
the third row is now 0,75 meter deep, but again one meter longer (27m) which gives me 158 tonnes.
third row 158 TONNES (27m X 0,75m X 7,8 T/m³)
second row 203 (26m X 1.0m X 7,8 T/m³)
FIRST row 293 (25m X 1,5m X 7.8T /m³)
TOTAL: 654 TONNES of IRON! (unless I've made a mistake in the calculation..)
six hundred fifty and four tonnes of Iron would one need to build such a wall!
I'm not good at creating any videos, but I'd love to see one done on this topic. :-)
+bangfarang fact? you mean a another man made fairy tale story
What would you like to tell me, warmaxxx?
we need you back. huge number of debaters nowadays are full of shit and constantly shout at each other. you on the other hand provide authentic source and clear evidence and knows arabic.
It's a shame he's no longer active. But he inspired me and others. I plan to start my own ex-Muslim channel in ~2 years, and plan for it to be similar to this, ie attacking the "proofs" of Islam directly.
Great video
3:12
amir nervana : you Mo Ham Head dans are fucked in the head and ass !
Keep up the great work!
@aaaaaaaaaaaa1111a haha 200 roots. Wow. I have not heard any word of any language which had many roots. Normally they had two or three at most. But two hundred. Now i realised why allah chose that chaotic language.
@aaaaaaaaaaaa1111a i do not believe anyone blindly. I know arabic and urdu. Your statement is faulty.
Nicely done, solid arguments, and neat animations. The time flew by, so no, it is not too long.
A Muslim lacks on thing . Common Sense
so true sadly
I have shared this clip with Dr Richard Dawkins.
+koenhouse Hopefully Dawky will buy Masked Arab his own TV channel.
Is suggesting that people are homosexual your idea of revenge for them showing that your religion isn't true?
that about jeffrey lang
koenhouse
"I have shared this clip with Dr Richard Dawkins."
*Proff
This guy should collab with David Wood or Christian Prince
Please do one on burak. As an aspiring aerospace engineer I would like to know the structural form and aerodynamic properties of a flying horse and my university doesn't seem to cover it..
This was profound! The fact that you know Arabic makes your claims more credible!
Keep enlightening people. I hope you'll get your cake in our history.
Excellently put.
Excellent work, as someone mostly ignorant of Islam (as I am a U.S. Atheist and my usual opponents are Christian) it is lovely to watch these informative videos.
nonsense
go and study basic literacy
Quran has many genres.
Some times scientific
sometimes a story.
sometimes historical
sometimes legal
sometimes theological
This is clearly a story. The character zul karnain is seeing or finding the sunset in a muddy well.
(Ps, You cannot even talk about sunset and science literally because the sun never actually sets anywhere.)
Tafseer's are not always true. It is a qualified opinion to be respected. Tafseers are good when they use another verse from Quran or saying of the prophet as supporting evidence.
Feel sorry for you lot.
majid haroun We should know by now that we are not smart nor intelligent..We need to constantly study and think with our heart.
majid haroun please dont be Rude. It will darken your heart n you wont feel at ease..trust me. I was once like you...being rude and overuse bad words.. the happiness you get isnt real..
Imraan a rahim please understand that thinking, study etc are the functions of brain. Keep updated on current knowledge!!!
Me lmaoo man I'm going through these comments sections and reading them, peoples are so dumb it actually hurts man lmaooo. The verse is so clear that it stated it as a metaphor.. whatever man, all these "anti muslims" or the ones who left to listen to masked Arab or abdulla sameer have a chill spot in hell man.
If you knew physics and real science you would know this life is literally a hologram lol, peoples should study quantum mechanics rather than holding on to evolution LOL. Whatever god bless !.
We atheists need to give whatever support we can to ex muslims criticizing g Islam. They need protection and be able to crash I our homes if facing death threats. These are the bravest atheists in our group.
Thank you! You're very kind! I'm an ex Muslim girl but I'm closeted cause I still live with my religious family and to know there are people like you who would help people like me out is heart warming
Hey Fayy, I am exmuslim too.
But I want to know how is it going with your family. My family is very religious too and from Pakistan so you can have an idea.
Even discussing doubts etc are considered wrong and from Shaytan :)
spinechiller1 I am British and live within the rural parts of Wales. I haven't experience how it would be for ex Muslim or more so closet Muslims who are frightened to speak out against islam. If I was in a situation where I could assist any ex Muslim I would attempt to do so. the internet is helping many Muslims especially the younger generation who were brought up with computers can reach out to non Muslims and ex Muslims. education is best method to do break down any dislusion and hopefully be able to awaken from this nightmare.
But the problem is how to educate people? In Pak physics gets mixed with Islamiyat, no focus on evolution in biology, war histories and discussions of personalities such as Saladin Ayubi , Mahmood ghaznavi , Muhammad bin qasim all war lords etc
Then we have this madressa problem and politics is so mixed with religion , even going against any of religious personality is a blasphemy .
Look at what happened to Salman tasir and what is happening to the bloggers these days who were kidnapped.
The mob is being incited towards hatred and these people who go aginst them are labeled as Blasphemors, I mean any body can take a law in their hands.
I think poverty is also the main problem because poverty is directly related to reliance on religion.
spinechiller1 preconceptions that religious people hold dearly in their heart. they will not give up their beliefs and customs they are interwoven into the fabric of each unique culture. it will take many many decades to hopefully over all religious myths. but unfortunately people are so guilble and arrogant so convincing people that having a rational scientific mind will prove very hard task to overcome. you are correct poverty and wrong education is a huge problem when it comes to directing the society.
Day before yesterday i was a muslim. Keep it up. What you are showing surely can open any people's eye. Salute you.
Sakil Ahmed wtf? You got deceived by this murtad
@@ENTROPHY752 go to hell
@@carljohnson2194 he probably doesn’t even know how to pray Salah. Lol he is a liar
@@BeastGotClipped yeah lol 😂
@@BeastGotClipped also seriously how the fuck does one become murtad just over a day
I may have said this before, but if you ever feel like you're in too much danger, please feel free to go dark.
I worry about you. Thanks for the new video though, I always enjoy them.
Wow! I love this guy. I hope he gets at least 1.5 billion subs.
The number of Muslims on earth now? than ks
Am i the only one who watches both English and Arabic versions because i like the way he explains his points. (Also to support him)
+KillerForever12 For people like you, you'll often get a bonus! In the Arabic version I go into more detail of Tabari's history and how absurd the idea is of how the Sun "swims" in the waters of the sky in a boat, pulled by all those angels who once in a while are ordered to drop the Sun into the water, so God can create an eclipse and scare people to remind them that he's the big man!
+Zain Jim At least you know the truth about islam thanks to him!
+Zain Jim, I'm happy to see another Bengali here!
Hey I'd like to advise the masked Arab, please put English captions in your Arabic videos. Love it when you speak in Arabic.
The Masked Arab Can you point to any arabic tutors on RUclips, that aren’t islamic
As a Muslim, I gotta say these are pretty good arguments.
MSE205 come on don't support disbelievers quran has no mistakes by the will of allah
Biblical Ones lol talking about women read the bible
The Qur'an has no mistakes.......wow, you really should read the entire Qur'an before saying something that makes you look a bit stupid.
MSE205 , because u r a believer of an Illiterate prophet......
@itsLeviOsa: Christianity is million times better than false islam.
I am Moroccan amazigh ans speak Arabic. everything he said is true 100%
I don't wanna share to other moroccan that i don't believe in God , would lose all my friends and even my girlfriend lmao
@@rft9776 nah few exemple didn't lose their head. They are just considered as not equal and they treat them like animals.
@@rft9776 didn't question it. From the start it was wrong. Lol
@@rft9776 are u a Muslim ?
I am a Moroccan Amazigh. And I will die on my faith inschallah.
Sun doesn't even "set" anywhere -_- the lack of basic understanding of reality is... stunning (and scary)
When it was written it is understandable. Just as 200 years from now they will look back and laugh at us for our ignorance. Imagine the lack of being well read back then. What it isn't is excusable today, in the 1st world countries that is poorly educated. There are 3rd world countries were there is no information dissemination nor formal education. It is sad for information is free to give and retain at the same time.
ZarPof not even when it was written... and there are people who take all that literally...
*****
Of course it was understandable when it was written. Just because greater knowledge existed does not mean it was disseminated and to those uneducated (nearly all humanity) saying the world and sun were round and revolved around one another would have sounded as if it was just another religion for all asserted themselves as true. Remember back then everyone didn't go to school or have access to the Library of Alexandria.
Think about all the things we're ignorant on today but we COULD look up. Daddy Long legs aren't deadly to people, there are 13 zodiac signs not 12, ghosts, bigfoot, internet scams, scratch and sniff phones, the list goes on. The collective human knowledge, while accessible fairly easily by almost anyone is not actually completely retained by anyone. This creates gaps in knowledge and ignorance, certain people prey on that.
Granted people who made up the religion knew they were faking it but those around them were probably gullible.
Also I agree, I never refuted that people take it literally.
ZarPof they chose to be ignorant and replace the thirst for knowledge with "belief" - that's their problem, not mine... We're in better place, now, but in 200 years, it won't be that different from what it's like now... so, no, they won't think we were that ignorant (unless they figure out something revolutionary)
thinking daddy long lags are poisonous is a mainstream thing? (all spiders are poisonous, all spiders bite, it's just that the dose of the poison is too small to even have any effect on you)
the "13 zodiacs" is a weird thing... I think it's based on constelations... and there's far more constelations than just 13 (or 12)... and as there are 12 months, there are 12 zodiac signs for people to associate with, but that's a silly superstition that nobody sane gives a crap about, anyway
bigfoot could be billion things... a big ape, most likely... there are new species being discovered, everyday... the Earth isn't 100% discovered, yet... and that's just the surface, thing about the ocean... there's just too much to know it all and we'll probably never know everything there is to know... but people in the past could be a bit more observant of their surroundings and shift their focus from stupid things to more important ones
their ignorance is usually a choice and that's what bothers me
god of the gaps is bullshit >:D taking it literally is a bad idea... never said you refuted anything, it's just mind bogling to think there are people that believe these things (flat earth, for example, like... WTF?!)
I just don't get humans, is all... part of why I don't like'em all that much, but what do I know, right?
1st I wasn't asking you to address all common beliefs I listed (I listed them because I knew the answers). 2nd Not all spiders are venomous, EX: tarantula . 3rd Daddy long legs aren't spiders. Also you said you don't get humans. You're a human, I assume you get yourself (if you don't I can't help you, sorry).
In summation. 200 years from now humans as we know it probably won't exist (think bio-engineering), biological immortality will be a thing, and I don't disagree on anything else you said. Ignorance now a days (bar 3rd world starving populations) is a choice.
Superb as always.
Waiting for a new Masked Arab video is like being a heroin addict waiting for your next fix . Post more videos.
so now come the point
the particular verse you are talking about
chapter 18 verse no 86
حَتّٰٓى اِذَا بَلَغَ مَغۡرِبَ الشَّمۡسِ وَجَدَهَا تَغۡرُبُ فِىۡ عَيۡنٍ حَمِئَةٍ وَّوَجَدَ عِنۡدَهَا قَوۡمًا ؕ قُلۡنَا يٰذَا الۡقَرۡنَيۡنِ اِمَّاۤ اَنۡ تُعَذِّبَ وَاِمَّاۤ اَنۡ تَتَّخِذَ فِيۡهِمۡ حُسۡنًا ﴿۸۶﴾
Translation: Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness. ﴾86﴿
in this verse ALLAH the GOD ALMIGHTY about him that "HE" found it setting in a muddy spring.... GOD is not telling by himself he points to Zilqarnain that it seems to him that it looks like setting in a muddy spring....
if GOD makes that mistake then point is valid but GOD points to he ...
its not enough further in this particular chapter verse no 90 The GOD ALMIGHTY says :
حَتّٰٓى اِذَابَلَغَ مَطۡلِعَ الشَّمۡسِ وَجَدَهَا تَطۡلُعُ عَلٰى قَوۡمٍ لَّمۡ نَجۡعَلْ لَّهُمۡ مِّنۡ دُوۡنِهَا سِتۡرًاۙ ﴿۹۰﴾
Translation: Till, when he reached the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter therefrom. ﴾90﴿
here GOD ALMIGHTY again talks about him that "HE" found it rising ona people for whom we had appointed no shelter there from
this see GOD ALMIGHTY is not talking about him self :D
i hope it clear misconception INSHALLAH :) i will suggest to read Quran by own self not from others ... islamic phobic people misleading many people thats why i insist read Quran by own self thanks :)
We will continue to miss Masked Arab. Plz come back.
Still a brilliant video 😊
Great work bro
I love your newest video..sharia for dummies! great job man! thank you!
It's not mine. It's someone else's. Link to his channel - Kronos DAW in the video I mirrored. Go sub to him!
+alex Adam "I travelled (moved) a road until (the time) i reached home (a place)'
Quran 18:85-86 "and he followed a way until [the time], when he reached the setting place of the sun [a very particular place], he found it setting in a muddy spring, and he found nearby a people."
"maghriba" مَغْرِبَ . means the place of sunset, as opposed to Ghuroob which means the time of sunset. It also means west. People used to believe that if you travelled far enough west, you would actually reach the place where the Sun set, as it appears to do in the horizon.
Do you believe in the Sahih Hadiths?
Sunan Abu Dawood confirms this verse of the Quran: Book 25, Number 3991: Narrated Abu Dharr: I was sitting behind the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where it sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water (hamiyah). www.iium.edu.my/deed/hadith/abudawood/025_sat.html
Richnz00: We are interpretation quranic verse and not a Hidth. quran is divine book but hadith is not a diving book.quoted by humans .it may contain misquotation and some time even bias.also SUNAN ABU-DAWUD, is not very authentic hadith book as he accepted by himself.
The word that does refer to location is "ila الى" which means "to" and is always coupled with a location.
If the verse "setting of the sun مغرب الشمس" is a location as skeptics claim then it should have been preceded by "to الى" and the verse should have read "الى ان بلغ مغرب الشمس" in that case the verse indeed would have meant the setting "place" of the sun; however this wasn't the case.
The verse started with "until حتى" which only refers to time "حتى إذا بلغ مغرب الشمس". So "setting of the sun مغرب الشمس" is time of sunset (not a location). However it was mistranslated to the "setting place of the sun". The word "place" was added by translators.
In Arabic grammar all places and locations are referred to in the male mode. For example, "هاذا المكان"... Since the setting place of the sun is a location then it should also be referred to in the male mode however this was not the case. This verse ends with female mode: "he found at it people وجدعندها قوما" here "it ها" the Arabic is in the female mode; which means it refers to the muddy spring (عين حمئة female mode) and not to the "setting place of the sun" (male mode).
Quran 18.86 simply says that Thu Al-Qarnain continued moving until time of sunset, while setting he (and his army) were in a muddy spring and there he found people...
حَتَّى إِذَا بَلَغَ مَغْرِبَ الشَّمْسِ وَجَدَهَا تَغْرُبُ فِي عَيْنٍ حَمِئَةٍ وَوَجَدَ عِندَهَا قَوْماً قُلْنَا يَا ذَا الْقَرْنَيْنِ إِمَّا أَن تُعَذِّبَ
وَإِمَّا أَن تَتَّخِذَ فِيهِمْ حُسْناً
alex Adam - There are multiple reasons why the Quran says the sun sets inside the muddy spring. Please listen to the Masked Arab's complete video.
Your explanation doesn't make sense. This Dhul Qarnain kept going to a very particular place. The setting place of the Sun. He found it setting IN a muddy spring. The word used in fi, which means IN.
The same word fi is used in 2:19 - "They put their fingers IN their ears", Just like the sun went in the spring.
Then remember this Dhul Qurmain travelled on till the rising place of the Sun. The location of this place where these people were located, is the rising place of the Sun. No other location of these people is given, other than the rising place of the sun.
alex Adam here is the translation word for word - ḥattā Until, idhā when balagha he reached maghriba (the) setting place l-shamsi (of) the sun, wajadahā he found it taghrubu setting fī in ʿaynin a spring ḥami-atin (of) dark mud, wawajada and he found ʿindahā near it qawman a people.(Lane's Arabic-English lexicon, Arabic-English Dictionary of Quranic usage)
Clearly he travels to the setting place of the sun and sees it setting IN a muddy pool.
Which country are you from? What is your mother tongue?
You are ignoring the location of the people where the sun rises from 18:90
Another amazing video.
Audio sounding much clearer than previous videos which is good too.
Woooo!!!! You rock bro!
I'm really not sure why the refuting muslims in replies are being so disrespectful and completely avoiding putting up a legitimate argument. A little advice, if you want to put up an argument people will respect, stay true to your source material and don't change up any words (The Qur'an's meaning is best read literally), and please have respect for the people you argue with, even if you dislike 'infidels'.
Stop being so disingenous. My replies go back 6 years. This is an old argument he copied from Christian sites like Answering-Islam. Why do you thik he left and went away? Most people don't "respect" arguments, rather people stay in their set formed groups with the set biases.
nice work, very thorough. looks like you got animation help from syetenatheist
+Kazi Reza
Or... He *is* Sye Ten Atheist _DUN DUN DUN_
(Description says: "Many thanks go to the incredible Sye Ten Atheist for helping animate some of the video to help me out.")
I hope more people will support you on patreon if they are able to .
Im sure this Videos take a lot of time and research.
good job as always.
the masked arab is doing some of the most groundbreaking and important videos on youtube. in years to comes he will be seen as very influential and a legend. keep up the brilliant work
+lava java Very kind of you. I hope to keep meeting your expectations!
A time will come people will start questioning From Quran
Yea because it’s a bunch of crap lol
You seriously need to upload videos more often, these are great! I'm not a Muslim but I would love to see the true nature of the Koran and Islamic teachings to counter the apologetics claims. I haven't come across anyone like you on YT yet, keep up the good work!
Sorry Masked Arab! You simply can’t be debated on this topic, cross-referenced, and checked everything you’ve stated with a devout Muslim friend by my side, You’re totally correct, and have made it impossible for anyone to mount a challenge, you win hands down.
Yes, unfortunately the Quran really says that. You don't need a long explanation for that
Wow... You really do your research! Keep doing what you're doing. It's awesome!
+Maddix Thank you.. I'm glad you enjoy the content...
0:19 powerful man found it😂
So what??
I found it on Miami beach yesterday 😅
The Masked,
I don't know are you, but the job you have done is awesome. You researched a lot to gather all the references. Thumbs up man for you.
Another great upload!
+magulater1 Really? It is amazing the amount lies Atheists posts. Isn't it? I can take this video apart... and present a very good Muslim counter argument. Here is the thing... just like how a Muslim will in this matter support a Muslim... an Atheist will support an Atheist. So when you say a great upload. That is merely bias and nothing more.
Dear Masked One is running away... Aren't you? Masked Arab?
AminTheMystic make a video and show us all the truth as you see it.
magulater1
I do not make videos. See my comments.
I intend to answer every aspect of this video. I can do a write up.
Okay, will check them out. You might want to think about doing video rebuttals in the future. I take it you are Muslim?
+AminTheMystic Try to answer this one honestly...
If Columbus had travelled to the Americas and found the Sun physically setting in a muddy spring somewhere in Mexico... do you think Muslims today would still insist that the verse was only from DhulQarnayn's vision? Or would they have no problem saying it was meant to physically set into a muddy spring?
Great work. I'm sure you will be one of the most respected atheists on Utube in no time. Work like yours does not go unnoticed.
quraan [18 : 86] Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy ( or hot ) water. And he found near it a people…..
translated by :
Dr . Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilali
&
Dr . Muhammad Muhsin Khan
Islamic University
Al-Madinah Al-Munawwarah - Saudi Arabia
الدّفاع عن الله الله بريء من القرآن ه
I'm so glad there are RUclips atheists like you who actually know what they are talking about when they talk about Islam. I wish you were more popular. Do you know the Drunken Peasants podcast by TJ (The Amazing Atheist) and his friends? They are very popular and I would love for you to be on their show, talk about how you left Islam and such. And it would give you a huge subscriber boost, I can tell you that ^.^
Your one of my favorite RUclipsrs now because you give tons of evidence
This guy addressed every single argument
Great video dude, can you source the pre-Islamic poem about the spring? I'd like to read about that.
+Lautaro Fonz It's in an Arabic tafsir. Midway through the second page in gold lettering. main.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=75&tSoraNo=18&tAyahNo=86&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=1
+Lautaro Fonz I just searched for an English version, and I found this books.google.co.uk/books?id=LBY0AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA18#v=onepage&q&f=false
The Masked Arab The first link doesnt seem to be working for me. The website appears but no text. The English text isnt available to preview on google but I was able to find an electronic version of the text on a database I have access too. Very interesting read, thanks for showing me this!
There is one issue though, these pre-Islamic legends are transmitted in texts that were composed a few centuries after the rise of Islam and they could be the result of a conflation or mixing of a pre-existant legend with the Islamic story of the sun setting in the spring. The notes on that poem actually say the king mentioned is a legendary one from Quranic tradition. Though I supposed that is to be expected considering literacy was very limited at that time.
I also wonder if "ocean-spring" in this instance is a rationalized translation liberty they took considering the absurdity of a sun setting in a spring, or if this text uses a different wording than usual.
***** The King mentioned is in reference to DhulQarnayn, not Tubba.
The Masked Arab Okay, just to make sure I'm not mixing something up, the Tubba is the pre-Islamic dynasty of southern Arabia, and DhulQarnayn is the legendary king from Quranic tradition, and according to that tradition DhulQarnayn was a pre-Islamic ruler, so then the story about him is also likely pre-Islamic in origin?
Fantastic video very insightful. Your videos are well structured and I am thankful that you cite your sources which allows me to read in further depth. Can I request you make a video about Embryology in the quran? There seems to be a huge debate over arabic meaning and is a topic which many muslims claim to be a scientific "miracle",so it would be a decent topic to discuss. Anyway you are doing great work and hopefully you will continue to make more insightful videos. Have a nice day.
zakir naik will say ... " Brother make good point....i am medical doctor...sun sets in the muddy water and thats a miracle ...according to quran chapter 18 verses 86 , chaper 007 verse 66 , chaper 6 verses 66 ( read very fast) .... that is miracle..( you should clap clap clap).
Gromminion 😂😂 brother made a good point
As usual thorough research and very well explained. Thank you
+Snake's Raven On the contrary... badly researched. This is an old argument... he has brought nothing new and he we Muslims can answer this well. Pity he cannot reply back.
+AminTheMystic Like I said... you can have your opinion. You can claim it's badly researched, you can claim Muslims can answer this well..
I cannot respond to a million comments. I feel the video speaks for itself.
I wonder why you are so passionate here on this video, commenting everywhere yet you feel it was a badly made video with poor research... Why are you so threatened if it was so poor?
You claimed only non-Arab atheists claimed it set in a muddy spring in another comment... Why should I waste my time and take you seriously? Why are you so upset? You realise it's ok to admit there is a problem with Islam... It shouldn't frustrate you like this... I'm seriously worried about your well-being.. I don't think you were ready to face the facts... I hope your anger settles down soon and you can get on with your life, as a Muslim, or a non-Muslim... the choice is still yours...
+AminTheMystic But he just did reply back you blind idiot.
The Quran is false and weak. FULL STOP.
1001speedster Be quiet. You really do not have a clue. This is the problem.
Stupid hate monger come around and agree with hatred towards Muslims. And it is vile and cowardly.
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Masked Arab is on the run. We all know he copied tired old arguments well expounded by Christians.
He didn't reply to me... he has avoided taking up the debate. It is called cowardice.
Why? Because he knows full well if he did engage he will come off worst.
+AminTheMystic Well, then where does the sun set acording to your Quran? And what is really happening with the sun acording to you personaly? If one of the two is not true, you have to, the source with the falce information in it, trow away. If a book claims to be the truth, but has errors in it that we know of, the whole book is worthless.
Again, amazing work mate, keep at it brother!!!
We need more you tubers like you in order to educate those that have become muslims without choice.
I thought, how can he make an interesting video about one stupid verse. But you did. It took all that time to be completely thorough about debunking it. You have an impressively in-depth knowlege of Islam and it really helps that you're completely fluent in English and Arabic
The most comprehensive critique I came across! keep it up.
Wow, this guy Masked Arab brings up very old long time ago debunked arguments and still has some ignorant fans. Just Wow!
Alright abdool now go hump some goats.:)
I have read the Quran, it says:
corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=18&verse=86#(18:86:1)
The Quran claims to be a clear book with all verses fully explained in detail... and that's what it clearly says. Let's ask Muhammad though, this is what he said in a sahih hadith:
sunnah.com/abudawud:4002
If you do some research though, you'll see that this verse (and the Gog and Magog story, and the iron wall) come from pre-Islamic Alexander Romances...
Am an ex muslim and glad to see people like you voicing out with more common sense and logic
Good video! But I found this comment from a muslim on another video: The word he translated as “found” is وجد i.e. ‘wajada.’
This word is used to describe the perception. See
the proof from the Edward William Lane’s Lexicon.
He found it; lighted on it; attained it; obtained it by
searching or seeking; discovered it; perceived it; saw it; experienced
it, or became sensible of it;
It is The finding by means of any one of the five senses
What are people's thoughts on this?
Great video bruh, subhanallah
+Zarif Hussein Are you serious?
Wtf? Lmao
another killer video.... very, very well done
+The Masked Arab You should have more subscribers mate :) You are doing a great job, and a dangerous one to be honest! I fully understand why you won't show you face. The world need more people like you, courageous and fighting for human rights and prosperity. Keep up the good work man!
Thank you for your new video. I appreciate how much work it requires.
Keep doing what you do, you're making excellent videos. From a fellow apostate.
+ano nymous Thanks fellow apostate!
My dearest friend, you have changed my life!! Thank you so much!!
just when i thought i knew everything about this story.. masked arab flips me a new one. im fucking amazed! great video!
U r such a brave person. I am an ex muslim and it was really difficult for me to investigate the Quran from a neutral perspective. But it happened eventually and I started to realize it was same as other religion!
hey fellow ex muslim! welcome to the dark side :P
I think I replied to the wrong comment. This comment was meant for some one who said he was a Muslim and it was awesome for him to look at his religion from scientific point of view =.=
ah ok. i will show myself out the door then :'(
Wow, ex-muslims.
Hope you guys stay safe (After all, remember the punishment)
Well, the sun IS only about an inch wide so, why couldn't it set in a muddy spring? Duh! muhammad is god and allah is his profit....er.....damn, I think I mixed something up there. LOL. Silly me.
This is a really well-argued video and I look forward to perusing more of your content in the future. This is an excellent channel and I foresee nothing but success for you on RUclips.
Masked Arab, I sent this video to Dr Price's myth experts to see what they say.. Price himself may comment on this. If you want into the group I can get you in.
+Gloomshadow100 ok one mythicist pointed out that Alexander was worshiped as a god, so if it was him they wouldn't keep that character as alexander, they would have changed it.
+Gloomshadow100 Masked Arab, I have a reply for you from a fellow Mythicist named Geoffrey Tolle
Very interesting. I had two thoughts which someone more knowledgeable in Arabic might be able to pursue.
1) The very short description given by Allah, could fit the style of alexandrian tales. It doesn't fit mosaic tales (that I know of) very well. There is a very good third choice, however - Solomon. I seem to remember that some of the alexandrian tales derived from solomonic tales and vice versa. The figure is named "Zhul Qarnaian" or "Dhul Qarnain". I am not sure if a good argument could be made that this name is a corruption of "Solomon".
2) The story refers to the Sun setting in a "spring of dark mud" ('ayn hami'atin). I would like to suggest that this translation is completely wrong. It may be a corruption of 'ayn hamyatim ("watcher / star / angel of the sunburnt"). In this case hami'atin is the (feminine?) plural of ham which means "hot" or "sunburnt". This would be completely in keeping with finding a people (generally interpreted as burnt) nearby.
Thus, the original version of this story was probably describing the Sun's setting place among attendant dark-skinned (from exposure to the Sun) angels. Seen in solar chariot imagery, these would have been the angels that cared for the solar horses and got them ready for the next day's flight. Seen in solar barge imagery, these would have been the angels that manned the barge and helped guide it through the Underworld
+Gloomshadow100 ok he has thought more about it.. here is a re write. I had a couple of thoughts which someone with more knowledge of Arabic might be able to pursue.
1) This short tale does, indeed, seem similar to alexandrian tales. The fact that it is followed by a tale of traveling to where the Sun rises and finding the peoples of Gog and Magog (at least I think it does) which is a tale directly associated with Alexander would seem to support the Alexander theory. It does not resemble any particular mosaic tales that I can think of. But there is a third possibility - Solomon. It is very similar (in style) to several solomonic tales and I'm pretty sure that I remember some overlap between alexandrian and solomonic tales. Is it possible that Zhul (or Dhul) Qarnain is a corruption of Suleiman?
2) The tale refers to a "spring of dark mud" ('ayn hami'atin - as near as I can transliterate). I suspect that this original is corrupted and, therefore, the translation is wrong. In Hebrew, 'ayn means "star". It also has a meaning as a type of celestial spirit, a watcher (the stars are always watching through the night). The idea that the Sun sets beside a star / "angel" would be completely appropriate here. Since it is singular (though I would much prefer plural), I would even suggest that the Morning Star - Venus - is indicated
+Gloomshadow100 What, then, about hami'atin? I suspect that it could derive from the semitic root ham for "hot" or "sunburnt". Biblically, the land of Ham was in Africa and inhabited by negroes. The "-in" at the end of hami'atin is a plurality indicator. The "-t-" might indicate a feminine gendering but I can't be sure. If this derivation is reasonably correct, then 'ayn hami'atin could translate as "star / watcher / angel of (the) sunburnt". This might, in turn, refer to the people indicated to be nearby.
If this derivation is correct, then the passage does not refer to a "spring of dark mud" but to a kind of pit crew for the Sun as it ends its day journey and must prepare, overnight, for its next day journey
+Gloomshadow100
3) Why would there be a need to teach the word of 'Allah to people (angels) attending the Sun? I'm not sure. It is possible that this is simply an older story re-tooled to serve islamic needs for answers about how the world works. On the other hand, the peoples of the land of Gog and Magog were powerful but without knowledge of the "Koran". This would seem to suggest the idea that the word of 'Allah had to spread out from Medina / Mecca / Jerusalem to the far corners of the world and that not even the most powerful beings at the far corners of the world could have heard the uncorrupted word of 'Allah before it was given to Mohammed.
Beyond that, these people attended the Sun. One might presume, from the islamic point-of-view, that they even worshipped it. Worshipping the Sun as a deity was one of the most common "blasphemies" encountered by Early Islam. Thus, even though these people were involved in some of the intimate workings of the world, they were worshipping a god other than 'Allah and needed to be preached to by Zhul Qarnian.
Great vid !! THIS is what I called a good work : detailed, insightful and with sources and references.
+Seishiro Sakurazuka Thank you.
you're awesome dude, keep doing what you're doing!
Wow it has been more than 2 months!!! Please upload a video! I am sooooo desperate for it... It's like drugs!!!
AHHHHHHHHHHHH!
All I can say is,,those people must have used really powerful sunscreen haha!
I know. They must have been more advanced than us because our times does not have such powerful sunscreen.
Another amazing video, as always
Any chance you and Dr Saad are going to get together and talk about both your adjoining topics? #saadtruth @GadSaad
It is narrated by Abu Dawood in as-Sunan (3991) that Abu Dharr (may Allah be pleased with him) said: I was with the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), riding a donkey, and the sun was setting. He said: “Do you know where this (sun) goes?” I said: Allah and His Messenger know best. He said: “It sets in a spring of warm water (innaha taghrubu fi ‘aynin hami’ah).
Interesting stuff. I was wondering what you might go on about for 25 minutes as the verse kind of speaks for itself as you mentioned. I thought that poem you found was the most interesting piece of evidence, I had never heard that before.
Hey buddy ! with all due respect you really misunderstood the verses, it does not talk about the sun at all. However if you want to know about the sun in Quran, I can give you an exemple in (chapter 36/ verse 38-40) "38. And the sun runs towards its destination. Such is the design of the Almighty, the All-Knowing.
39. And the moon: We have disposed it in phases, until it returns like the old twig.
40. The sun is not to overtake the moon, nor is the night to outpace the day. Each floats in an orbit"
Are you fucking kidding???
this is amazing you are one hella good researcher all respect for you and thank you for all the hard work! 👍
Well done mate
The greatest miracle is the you have not been banned from RUclips....