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The man displayed after Kyoshi (telling Korra to find Raava) is Kuruk, the waterbending Avatar before Kyoshi. You met him briefly when Aang was meditating on top of the lion turtle in Book 3 of ATLA. The face-stealing spirit took the face of his lover.
In this episode you can see there is a difference between having the power of an element and beeing able to bend an element. The Lion Turtle gave only the power. But they mostly just could burst a straight fireball. Beeing able to bend, you can redirect an attack, control the fire and not simply "shoot" it and basicly get to know about the true face of an element (like in ATLA the Dancing Dragon). Because most Reactors couldnt figure out the difference between a Lion Turtle giving the power and the first bender, like the Dragon and the Moon Spirit. Wan got the power of fire quiet easy, but learned only after the Dragon how to bend it. Its like beeing a rookie in football or beeing a member of a club. Both can kick a ball, but the latter knows how as well
Thanks for the reaction as always guys, u know I appreciate it! The wan episodes are the best episodes in season 2 without question, love other avatar backstory
Its not just holding for 10,0000 years. Watch the other half bro xD You did notice they were the same size till separated, then raava got smaller. That should be a hint to whats going on. But yeah keep watching :3
Loved these episodes regarding Wan. The art direction and story about spirits gave me Miyazaki film vibes. If you guys haven’t watched the animes Spirited Away or Princess Mononoke, I highly recommend whenever you guys have the time. Love your reactions and good energy
20:28 He paused the video just to make that joke 😔 That face he makes though made me laugh 😂 The story of Wan and Raava is the reason I have a real respect for this show. It does an excellent job of world building. Loved the reaction Guys!💖💖💖
back then the entire world was inhabited by the spirits, and humans only lived on the backs of lion turtles. Of course they got out in the spirit wild from time to time to get food , each time they did that , the lion turtle they lived on gave them an element to protect themselves against the spirits then they gave back the element once they were back . all the creatures you saw after Wan got banished were spirits . he now has to live among them since he broke the law by stealing the fire .
At that time Raava didn't even know who Wan was and had the mindset of why should she explain anything to a human who shouldn't even be in the spirit wild much less to interfere in spirit business. I wouldnt explain anything to a stranger who had no right to intervene in things that shouldn't concern him.
Its like when your fighting somewone and then some little kid you dont know askes why you are fighting. Would you explain everyhting to him? You would be like stfu cant you see im fighting?
I LOVE these two episodes. The part where Wan trains with the dragon and it changes how he uses his fire, he went from merely having the "power of the element" to being a true bender, and the way the other guy comments on it after his encounter with Wan. Many people who criticize this episode seem to miss the part with the dragon. The "power of the element" came from the lion turtles, who granted it via energy bending, but the knowledge of true bending, using that power as a martial art and as an extension of your own body / senses, came from the original bending sources. (Dragon, Badger Mole, Sky Bison, and Moon).
Raava and vaatu are equal opposites cuz light and dark are supposed to balance each other so there really was no other way to hold him back than physically
Wan is the first avatar while raava is literally the spirit of the avatar which is why they can bend all 4 elements, communicate with past lives and access the avatar state.
Doesn't make sense though because Azula's fire is blue. Also, I doubt a classist narcissistic person like Azula would become a fire sage. Azula also got beef with the avatar and I don't think it would make much difference, even if Aang is Korra now.
yeah so this is where some of the "ret-conning" starts lol. Before in the last aibender the spirits were morally grey and ambiguous meaning they were essentially neither good nor bad but rather separate entities that simply existed and lived. Now, the series is trying to say, there is a good and bad to them it's just never shown before and just because it was never shown doesn't mean they were morally ambiguous, which is fine as long as it remains consistent. It's up to you guys to decide for yourself after watching this season of whether or not you prefer the old approach or this kind of.....ret-conning if you will. Also just in case you guys didn't notice the reference 19:34 remember when zuko and aang went to the ancient sun warrior civilization and learned the "dragon dance" from the red and blue dragons Shin and Ra? Now that's a W reference lmao
Honestly I never understood why people called that a retcon just because it wasn't shown doesn't mean it can't happen I mean the show never said that spirits can't be like that so it's not a retcon it's expanding/ giving more context to the lore. Plus it's not like spirits were that important to the original show so it's not like there was much to compare to anyway just atla fanboys hating on korra for no reason.
@@dannyphantom3090 for me it's not that they expanded it, it's that they destroyed the mystery factor and gave them an abstract existence which I think is wrong. There were mistakes in ATLA too but this mystery factor was the thing I liked the most. I don't think it's consistent even with itself and the interpretation of yin and yang was not good. I'd prefer the first half of the season. I mean this reveal of info is a really big thing, don't you think they should've done this without the obstacles? Knowing the struggles of the creators, this thing needed more time and a different aproach.
Like when did they say that spirits are morally grey? Back in ATLA there were maybe 3 or 4 real spirits that you could talk with and none of them didnt really say anything special. TLoK s2 is basically the first time they even touched spirit world unlike atla that for example on episode 1x7 aang wasnt even in the spirit world yet it was their first concept of it and since then they experimented with it to a point that they made that season
@@askyeyv7039 ye but they were abstract, spirit world was not a place like another dimension. There were mystery and you can explore and expand the concept without giving them a solid existence. I didn't like it some peopl liked and that's fine. I'm sure if they had more time they would've written it way better.
I think raava and vaatu were supposed to stay bonded forever keeping each other in check. One can not exist without the other and both need to be kept in balance. Too much of either is bad.
24:00 Exactly mate! Some people think these 2 episodes are the best episodes of S2 and some even think for the whole series but I think these 2 were the worst. They don't do a good job of interpreting yin and yang concept and also contradicts with the Avatar universe and contradicts with itself too. There are loopholes and retcons. Some think that it's grate that they showed the background but we don't need this background for water tribe civil war, which is a better concept to execute after the hundred year war than that stupid other half of the season. Now that this much info is revealed, there aren't any mystery element anymore and I truly think this ruins the future productions, cause I think it's a wrong move to reveal the origins this early. I mean wouldn't it be hard to put mystery in the future productions which Avatar Studios working on with this info revealed? The element of mystery was the thing I liked the most in ATLA, now the biggest mystery of this universe is being commercialised, grate.
I completely agree, I liked the Wan episodes but they were very disconnected from what were we essentially building up to. Its bad storytelling, you already have a short season. By the end of this season Korra's ability to airbend, her mastery of her spiritual side ( as well as her connection to the past Avatars ), the Water tribe civil war, the Varrick betrayal, the return of the Asami, Mako, Korra love triangle and the Bolin Mover plot. Annnnnnnd now you want to teach us about the first Avatar to set up something else? Like the Civil War main storyline was that much cohesive and relevant to the change landscape of the Avatar world (albeit with some problems of their own). If we had to have them, it shouldn't have been two episodes smack dab in the middle of the season. ATLA did something similar to this with the Roku and Sozin episode. It was one episode, that involved five characters, that tied into the history of why the 100-Year war came to be. Teach Aang a Avatar lesson about how the Fire Nation not has the potential for evil but for good as well. It even gives Zuko some clarity about his own family struggles. All of this plays into Zuko leaving the Fire Nation and Aang sparing Sozin. Plot DEVELOPMENT.
@@devonjoseph5467 I agree to an extend. Personally, I really didn't like the Wan episodes, you're right that they were disconnected but I also didn't like them because of the weird decisions they made about the whole spirit thing and Raava and Vaatu. Despite being so disconnected, it could be written way better even with the obstacles creators faced. Yeah ATLA had some issues too, but it didn't make us feel disconnected, however you're right these lore drops need some more time. So many ppl think "oh we should be grateful, we got to see the origins" but cmon, it felt like another show rather than a show inside the Avatar universe here and there throughout the entire series. Ppl got so messed up with tons of bad productions which really really treats you like stupid so I guess it's normal that some ppl couldn't understand the connection issues with the main story, the plot and the inconsistencies with the background.
@@yabada7866 Yeah lore drops aren't fun, ESPECIALLY if it takes up two episodes. Thats not worldbuilding. I could've enjoyed this as like a short or an extra like they did with Ba Sing Se, even a miniseries featuring small moments of other Avatars. My main problem with Wan is that Korra doesn't actually learn anything from his life but instead (like every other thing she's done so far) decides not to leave well enough alone (it's a spoiler but if you've watched LoK then you know what dumbass decisons she makes that ultimately causing more problems.) Like the whole Wan back story only serves to set up the Raava and Vatuu are linked together plotline that ultimately serves as DExM for the finale. I like Wan, I like the lore, but I don't want my hand held for things like this. Write better stories!
@@devonjoseph5467 yeah you're right. All the people are talking about the over arcing development of Korra, especially how she defeated PTSD but actually that's all. If she did make the opposite decision, S3 and 4 wouldn't be a thing and it's not that it's done for the sake of continuity it's just stupid and doesn't make sense. As I said before, I didn't like Wan story but it might be because of me not liking embodiments but I pretty much agree with you.
You can litteraly see that the lion turtle "teached" nothing to wan. The only one who "teached" something is the dragon. Its up to you how you interpret it
I'm not a fan of this whole retcon story. AtlA set up Bending as something humans acquired through their own hard work and dedication. The whole Water Tribe plot in the first season is about how they derived Water Bending from the moon, the founding story of Omashu in the Secret Tunnel episode chronicles the first Earth Bender and we're told Dragons and Flying Bisons are the original Benders of Fire and Air respectively. Instead, here the bending is just handed out like candy by the turtles... For me that cheapens it quite a bit...
Not really. Some people are simply born with the ability to bend, and others aren't. No matter how had most people tried, they would never be able to bend a pebble, light a candle, or move a drop of water. The lion turtles are why some people have the innate ability in the first place, but the moon and bending animals taught them how to use it better until they evolved from ordinary people who could throw fireballs around or move rocks to masters of bending. Notice that before he lived with the spirits and trained with dragons, Wan had to resort to fleeing and tricks with the hunters from his village and he still lost until he got help. After the time skip with him doing the dragon dance, he was able to bend fire "like nothing they had ever seen" and defeated all three casually.
Well yeah they are given by the turtles but they learn the techniques from the original benders like wan did with the dragon I don’t know what the writers plan was though
@@kpuda7722 As soon as he got his fire, Wan was as capable as the average fire bender we see in the franchise. Yeah, he is not on par with the masters - but he still kept up with what you'd see from some fire nation soldier. Without training. I guess a lot of my issue is that I prefer organic worldbuilding where everything is derived naturally from simple roots. This whole thing bloats the story around the origins of bending - it throws out what information we had and instead opens tons of more questions. The actual origin is just shifted from humans to lion turtles, who are now inexplicably capable of bestowing four specific elements - but every single one can only grant one specific one for some reason? And would that mean that if Aang or any other Avatar explored Spirit Bending, they could bestow bending on others? Or take away one element and give them another one? Also, while not common, isn't it technically possible that someone besides the Avatar can have control over 2 or more elements? It's not magically impossible for some reason, it just overtaxes the user - but as we see with specialty benders over the franchise, it's quite possible that someone else could withstand that... It's all so much more complicated... In my opinion it would be much more elegant to just have humans figure it out randomly under their own power, with genetics and their inherent spiritual connection dictating whether they're able to use an element or not. Then you could have some high-level spirits get cold feet because the puny humans have become sooo powerful - so they twist the fabric of the world so that anyone can only ever control one element. That however has the side effect that one person has to serve as the nexus of this separation, the Avatar. They then task them to "keep balance" to preserve this system. Or something in that direction. It doesn't help that this all is wrapped into an almost 1:1 repeat of season 1: Korra rebels against her father figure and runs off with the totally-not-evil high society water bender, just be used by him to get into a position of power. When she finally realizes that and tries to stand against him, he takes her out with his unnatural abilities - at which point she has a vision from a previous Avatar who shows her visions of the past events that lead to the current situation. Etc...
@@SKy_the_Thunder All of thoughts, I don't necessary think the Avatar Wan story is bad. But much like Korra, cool ideas, implemented terribly. It adds too much fat when this is ultimately the high point in the Civil war arc, but they thought we needed an intermission to learn about Wan and it just doesn't flow properly.
@@SKy_the_Thunder oh you again. Youre not really the brightest are ya? Look. Powers are given bending is learned. If you disagree with that your favorite show atla already established this logic 1 people are born with element powers. If powers are gifted just by observing then why is bending genetic? And shouldn't sokka be able to bend by just observing water scrolls? 2 we know toph learned eartbending from the original eartbenders right. But did they give her powers? No. She was already born with powers but she still learned bending from badgermoles. This is her litteral quote "they not only teached me how to use eartbending as a martial arts but as a extencion of my senses" this line litteraly confirmed that what the animals teach are the martial art of bending 3 atla never said that animals gave humans powers. That's just what people assume with actually no reason to think that. They only said they teached humans bending which they did. They teached them how to use the elements like wan who learned 2 years from that white dragon. I see you are not able to watch this show without direct explanation of what happens or whats established. The show except us to figure it out by ourselves with the obvious details they put in
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The man displayed after Kyoshi (telling Korra to find Raava) is Kuruk, the waterbending Avatar before Kyoshi. You met him briefly when Aang was meditating on top of the lion turtle in Book 3 of ATLA. The face-stealing spirit took the face of his lover.
i just cannot believe that Raph isn’t the one who pulled the wan/one joke
Ikr lol
I’m evolving into the better Raph 🤣
Wan means 10,000 in Chinese and Wan was the avatar 10,000 years ago. He’s also voiced by Steven Yeun who plays Glenn on the walking dead.
Also Mark from Invincible
19:34 I get goosebumps whenever I see Wan doing the dragon dance. That's how Aang instinctively knew that he and Zuko needed to do it!
I never made that connection, wow
Korra is lit from here on out boys, we move 🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬
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In this episode you can see there is a difference between having the power of an element and beeing able to bend an element. The Lion Turtle gave only the power. But they mostly just could burst a straight fireball. Beeing able to bend, you can redirect an attack, control the fire and not simply "shoot" it and basicly get to know about the true face of an element (like in ATLA the Dancing Dragon).
Because most Reactors couldnt figure out the difference between a Lion Turtle giving the power and the first bender, like the Dragon and the Moon Spirit. Wan got the power of fire quiet easy, but learned only after the Dragon how to bend it.
Its like beeing a rookie in football or beeing a member of a club. Both can kick a ball, but the latter knows how as well
Its like being given a sword by the lion turtles and being taught how to use it by a sky bison
Sadly people dont understand this obvious explanation and they use this to hate on lok
Was waiting on this one, the “boring” part of the season that so many people seem to hate is over. It’s all HEAT from here my boys
what are you talking about, the interesting part of the season is over, the latter half is what people hate.
Molst ppl i have seen actialy like the first part more than the 2nd.
@@michaelstollard7126 the lore, the action, the animation is all a step up in the following episodes from what we’ve seen in the first half
I love the 2nd half of season 2 the raava storyline is great and the final battle is my personal favorite of the series.
@@michaelstollard7126 Yeah, people really hate the part with the best character in both shows
That was Avatar Kuruk from the Northern Water Tribe.. successor of Yangchen and predecessor of Kyoshi..
Thanks for the reaction as always guys, u know I appreciate it! The wan episodes are the best episodes in season 2 without question, love other avatar backstory
Its not just holding for 10,0000 years. Watch the other half bro xD
You did notice they were the same size till separated, then raava got smaller. That should be a hint to whats going on. But yeah keep watching :3
raava and vaatu are similar to yin and yang. they are connected even if it looks like they are divided.
Loved these episodes regarding Wan. The art direction and story about spirits gave me Miyazaki film vibes. If you guys haven’t watched the animes Spirited Away or Princess Mononoke, I highly recommend whenever you guys have the time. Love your reactions and good energy
I was thinking the same thing. And yes, Spirited Away!
i swear to god have been waiting for this episode since the beginning of korra💯
20:28 He paused the video just to make that joke 😔 That face he makes though made me laugh 😂
The story of Wan and Raava is the reason I have a real respect for this show. It does an excellent job of world building. Loved the reaction Guys!💖💖💖
Are Raphs jokes getting better 🤔
6:55 You guys forget Aang was a scammer :)
Looool
After all the memes of the Fire Nation's attack, I'd never guessed that fire was actually the first bending the Avatar had and mastered. Ironical.
20:15 - 20:39 bro someone smack this guy 😂😂🤣
I think we need to find the root of your anger…😂
back then the entire world was inhabited by the spirits, and humans only lived on the backs of lion turtles. Of course they got out in the spirit wild from time to time to get food , each time they did that , the lion turtle they lived on gave them an element to protect themselves against the spirits then they gave back the element once they were back . all the creatures you saw after Wan got banished were spirits . he now has to live among them since he broke the law by stealing the fire .
The giant lions turtles just gave the power of elements to humans. But bending the elements is a martial art
The 1st Fire nation
Dudeeee I've been waiting for you guys to watch this episode 😆 your reactions are THE best
These are the best episodes of season 2 lore wise imo
Also notice he has an animal guide that he rides around, every avatar has one as we’ve seen
I've been waiting for you all to reach this point
Also, lowkey always been chapped that Raava never mentioned anything bad about Vaatu until after Wan freed him...
Exactly 🤣
At that time Raava didn't even know who Wan was and had the mindset of why should she explain anything to a human who shouldn't even be in the spirit wild much less to interfere in spirit business. I wouldnt explain anything to a stranger who had no right to intervene in things that shouldn't concern him.
@@shanna-leeshaw1942 Did she express this, cause I have no recollection of her saying that to Wan, mind you I haven't rewatched S2 in a hot minute.
Its like when your fighting somewone and then some little kid you dont know askes why you are fighting. Would you explain everyhting to him? You would be like stfu cant you see im fighting?
@@kc_h7h Who asked?
ahh finally, when season 2 really gets good
LOL RAPHAEL @1:36
I LOVE these two episodes. The part where Wan trains with the dragon and it changes how he uses his fire, he went from merely having the "power of the element" to being a true bender, and the way the other guy comments on it after his encounter with Wan.
Many people who criticize this episode seem to miss the part with the dragon. The "power of the element" came from the lion turtles, who granted it via energy bending, but the knowledge of true bending, using that power as a martial art and as an extension of your own body / senses, came from the original bending sources. (Dragon, Badger Mole, Sky Bison, and Moon).
Fun fact: Serena Williams returned as a voice actor to voice one of the sages who brings in Korra. She still a fan of Avatar no doubt
The biggest lore drop of the franchise. I love watching reactors' faces when one particular line is uttered.
I appreciated your number wan joke
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My favorite episodes 7&8 of all the season
i need episode 8 asap! :D
💖Morning guys....Finally ... #1 ... I'm so excited💖
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lmaooo
raphael: can she remember-?
gabriele, without even looking up: no she has no fucking idea what that is.
I just pictured raava holding vaatu in a headlock for 10,000 years 😂
Michael’s reaction to Raph’s jokes is the greatest lol he’s so disgusted.
these next two episodes are some of the best in ATLA and TLOK
Aang is the 82nd avatar and now korra is the 83rd.
WOOOO WE’RE HERE!!!!
So excited for y’all to react to season 3
6:20 Bro I'm sure these jokes are illegal 😂😂😂
Raava and vaatu are equal opposites cuz light and dark are supposed to balance each other so there really was no other way to hold him back than physically
I love this backstory
Wan actually means 10,000 in Chinese
Nicee
The last avatar she spoke to was the water avatar before korra
There’s a theory going around that the shaman is Azula based on her age and the hairstyle. I don’t believe it.
Neither do i
The show runners denied it, so yea it isnt her.
And why would she help the Avatar
If it was Azula her flames would be blue.
Also if she appeared in Korra, they would've made it a bigger deal than just some random shaman
Wan is the first avatar while raava is literally the spirit of the avatar which is why they can bend all 4 elements, communicate with past lives and access the avatar state.
There's a fan theory that the old woman healing Korra was Azula.
Haven't the creators already shot that one down?
Oh hell naw
Doesn't make sense though because Azula's fire is blue. Also, I doubt a classist narcissistic person like Azula would become a fire sage. Azula also got beef with the avatar and I don't think it would make much difference, even if Aang is Korra now.
BAHAHAHAHAHA MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL
yeah so this is where some of the "ret-conning" starts lol. Before in the last aibender the spirits were morally grey and ambiguous meaning they were essentially neither good nor bad but rather separate entities that simply existed and lived. Now, the series is trying to say, there is a good and bad to them it's just never shown before and just because it was never shown doesn't mean they were morally ambiguous, which is fine as long as it remains consistent. It's up to you guys to decide for yourself after watching this season of whether or not you prefer the old approach or this kind of.....ret-conning if you will.
Also just in case you guys didn't notice the reference 19:34 remember when zuko and aang went to the ancient sun warrior civilization and learned the "dragon dance" from the red and blue dragons Shin and Ra? Now that's a W reference lmao
Honestly I never understood why people called that a retcon just because it wasn't shown doesn't mean it can't happen I mean the show never said that spirits can't be like that so it's not a retcon it's expanding/ giving more context to the lore. Plus it's not like spirits were that important to the original show so it's not like there was much to compare to anyway just atla fanboys hating on korra for no reason.
@@dannyphantom3090 for me it's not that they expanded it, it's that they destroyed the mystery factor and gave them an abstract existence which I think is wrong. There were mistakes in ATLA too but this mystery factor was the thing I liked the most. I don't think it's consistent even with itself and the interpretation of yin and yang was not good. I'd prefer the first half of the season. I mean this reveal of info is a really big thing, don't you think they should've done this without the obstacles? Knowing the struggles of the creators, this thing needed more time and a different aproach.
Like when did they say that spirits are morally grey? Back in ATLA there were maybe 3 or 4 real spirits that you could talk with and none of them didnt really say anything special. TLoK s2 is basically the first time they even touched spirit world unlike atla that for example on episode 1x7 aang wasnt even in the spirit world yet it was their first concept of it and since then they experimented with it to a point that they made that season
@@askyeyv7039 exactly
@@askyeyv7039 ye but they were abstract, spirit world was not a place like another dimension. There were mystery and you can explore and expand the concept without giving them a solid existence. I didn't like it some peopl liked and that's fine. I'm sure if they had more time they would've written it way better.
is the spirits can use elemental bending
I think raava and vaatu were supposed to stay bonded forever keeping each other in check. One can not exist without the other and both need to be kept in balance. Too much of either is bad.
24:00 Exactly mate! Some people think these 2 episodes are the best episodes of S2 and some even think for the whole series but I think these 2 were the worst. They don't do a good job of interpreting yin and yang concept and also contradicts with the Avatar universe and contradicts with itself too. There are loopholes and retcons. Some think that it's grate that they showed the background but we don't need this background for water tribe civil war, which is a better concept to execute after the hundred year war than that stupid other half of the season. Now that this much info is revealed, there aren't any mystery element anymore and I truly think this ruins the future productions, cause I think it's a wrong move to reveal the origins this early. I mean wouldn't it be hard to put mystery in the future productions which Avatar Studios working on with this info revealed? The element of mystery was the thing I liked the most in ATLA, now the biggest mystery of this universe is being commercialised, grate.
I completely agree, I liked the Wan episodes but they were very disconnected from what were we essentially building up to. Its bad storytelling, you already have a short season. By the end of this season Korra's ability to airbend, her mastery of her spiritual side ( as well as her connection to the past Avatars ), the Water tribe civil war, the Varrick betrayal, the return of the Asami, Mako, Korra love triangle and the Bolin Mover plot. Annnnnnnd now you want to teach us about the first Avatar to set up something else? Like the Civil War main storyline was that much cohesive and relevant to the change landscape of the Avatar world (albeit with some problems of their own). If we had to have them, it shouldn't have been two episodes smack dab in the middle of the season.
ATLA did something similar to this with the Roku and Sozin episode. It was one episode, that involved five characters, that tied into the history of why the 100-Year war came to be. Teach Aang a Avatar lesson about how the Fire Nation not has the potential for evil but for good as well. It even gives Zuko some clarity about his own family struggles. All of this plays into Zuko leaving the Fire Nation and Aang sparing Sozin. Plot DEVELOPMENT.
@@devonjoseph5467 I agree to an extend. Personally, I really didn't like the Wan episodes, you're right that they were disconnected but I also didn't like them because of the weird decisions they made about the whole spirit thing and Raava and Vaatu. Despite being so disconnected, it could be written way better even with the obstacles creators faced.
Yeah ATLA had some issues too, but it didn't make us feel disconnected, however you're right these lore drops need some more time.
So many ppl think "oh we should be grateful, we got to see the origins" but cmon, it felt like another show rather than a show inside the Avatar universe here and there throughout the entire series. Ppl got so messed up with tons of bad productions which really really treats you like stupid so I guess it's normal that some ppl couldn't understand the connection issues with the main story, the plot and the inconsistencies with the background.
@@yabada7866 Yeah lore drops aren't fun, ESPECIALLY if it takes up two episodes. Thats not worldbuilding. I could've enjoyed this as like a short or an extra like they did with Ba Sing Se, even a miniseries featuring small moments of other Avatars. My main problem with Wan is that Korra doesn't actually learn anything from his life but instead (like every other thing she's done so far) decides not to leave well enough alone (it's a spoiler but if you've watched LoK then you know what dumbass decisons she makes that ultimately causing more problems.)
Like the whole Wan back story only serves to set up the Raava and Vatuu are linked together plotline that ultimately serves as DExM for the finale. I like Wan, I like the lore, but I don't want my hand held for things like this. Write better stories!
@@devonjoseph5467 yeah you're right. All the people are talking about the over arcing development of Korra, especially how she defeated PTSD but actually that's all. If she did make the opposite decision, S3 and 4 wouldn't be a thing and it's not that it's done for the sake of continuity it's just stupid and doesn't make sense.
As I said before, I didn't like Wan story but it might be because of me not liking embodiments but I pretty much agree with you.
Wait how does it contradict?
You can litteraly see that the lion turtle "teached" nothing to wan. The only one who "teached" something is the dragon. Its up to you how you interpret it
I'm not a fan of this whole retcon story. AtlA set up Bending as something humans acquired through their own hard work and dedication. The whole Water Tribe plot in the first season is about how they derived Water Bending from the moon, the founding story of Omashu in the Secret Tunnel episode chronicles the first Earth Bender and we're told Dragons and Flying Bisons are the original Benders of Fire and Air respectively. Instead, here the bending is just handed out like candy by the turtles... For me that cheapens it quite a bit...
Not really. Some people are simply born with the ability to bend, and others aren't. No matter how had most people tried, they would never be able to bend a pebble, light a candle, or move a drop of water. The lion turtles are why some people have the innate ability in the first place, but the moon and bending animals taught them how to use it better until they evolved from ordinary people who could throw fireballs around or move rocks to masters of bending. Notice that before he lived with the spirits and trained with dragons, Wan had to resort to fleeing and tricks with the hunters from his village and he still lost until he got help. After the time skip with him doing the dragon dance, he was able to bend fire "like nothing they had ever seen" and defeated all three casually.
Well yeah they are given by the turtles but they learn the techniques from the original benders like wan did with the dragon
I don’t know what the writers plan was though
@@kpuda7722 As soon as he got his fire, Wan was as capable as the average fire bender we see in the franchise. Yeah, he is not on par with the masters - but he still kept up with what you'd see from some fire nation soldier. Without training.
I guess a lot of my issue is that I prefer organic worldbuilding where everything is derived naturally from simple roots. This whole thing bloats the story around the origins of bending - it throws out what information we had and instead opens tons of more questions. The actual origin is just shifted from humans to lion turtles, who are now inexplicably capable of bestowing four specific elements - but every single one can only grant one specific one for some reason? And would that mean that if Aang or any other Avatar explored Spirit Bending, they could bestow bending on others? Or take away one element and give them another one? Also, while not common, isn't it technically possible that someone besides the Avatar can have control over 2 or more elements? It's not magically impossible for some reason, it just overtaxes the user - but as we see with specialty benders over the franchise, it's quite possible that someone else could withstand that...
It's all so much more complicated...
In my opinion it would be much more elegant to just have humans figure it out randomly under their own power, with genetics and their inherent spiritual connection dictating whether they're able to use an element or not. Then you could have some high-level spirits get cold feet because the puny humans have become sooo powerful - so they twist the fabric of the world so that anyone can only ever control one element. That however has the side effect that one person has to serve as the nexus of this separation, the Avatar. They then task them to "keep balance" to preserve this system.
Or something in that direction.
It doesn't help that this all is wrapped into an almost 1:1 repeat of season 1: Korra rebels against her father figure and runs off with the totally-not-evil high society water bender, just be used by him to get into a position of power. When she finally realizes that and tries to stand against him, he takes her out with his unnatural abilities - at which point she has a vision from a previous Avatar who shows her visions of the past events that lead to the current situation. Etc...
@@SKy_the_Thunder All of thoughts, I don't necessary think the Avatar Wan story is bad. But much like Korra, cool ideas, implemented terribly. It adds too much fat when this is ultimately the high point in the Civil war arc, but they thought we needed an intermission to learn about Wan and it just doesn't flow properly.
@@SKy_the_Thunder oh you again. Youre not really the brightest are ya?
Look. Powers are given bending is learned. If you disagree with that your favorite show atla already established this logic
1 people are born with element powers. If powers are gifted just by observing then why is bending genetic? And shouldn't sokka be able to bend by just observing water scrolls?
2 we know toph learned eartbending from the original eartbenders right. But did they give her powers? No. She was already born with powers but she still learned bending from badgermoles. This is her litteral quote "they not only teached me how to use eartbending as a martial arts but as a extencion of my senses" this line litteraly confirmed that what the animals teach are the martial art of bending
3 atla never said that animals gave humans powers. That's just what people assume with actually no reason to think that. They only said they teached humans bending which they did. They teached them how to use the elements like wan who learned 2 years from that white dragon.
I see you are not able to watch this show without direct explanation of what happens or whats established. The show except us to figure it out by ourselves with the obvious details they put in