See, this, THIS is why "The Cure" was created in the movie. It's not a weapon against mutant kind, at least not at first. It was created so that those who lost the dice roll could have normal lives. Rogue couldn't even touch her boyfriend. The Cure itself wasn't a bad thing. In fact, it was very good. However, as soon as they stuck it into a weapon, that's when it all went to shit.
Agreed. The cure should have been saved as a voluntary medical treatment instead of being used as a weapon. The only time it should be forced onto someone is if that somebody is a known criminal with little to no chance of rehabilitation as long as they keep their powers. And of course, it depends on the nature of the mutation itself, like if it's something that the subject can't ever control and is dangerous to everyone around them, such as with this poor kid. And some people thought Beak had the worst mutation... Nope.
It's funny, I just rewatched Brand New Animal (great anime by Trigger if someone hasn't heard of it before), and that's basically the plot to that. No more spoilers beyond that,just funny how the two had an aligned moral lesson about forcing people who are different to become normal is a bad thing, but OFFERING it as a CHOICE isn't.
it's worth mentioning that this story was written in the "ultimate" marvel universe, where mutancy was in fact artifical..ie made by humans. a genetic expereiment that ran wild. magneto, as it turns out, was MASSIVELY in denial .by the time the Ultimate universe self destructed, MOST people opted for the cure, deciding the powers weren't worth it. This carried over into the main marvel universe, in a storyline where after all the interdimensional incursions, someone found and was using the strain of mutancy in the main, "616" universe. storylines were...really confusing for awhile, even before the woke Krakoa era. People didn't know what to do with the property..add in the mess with movie rights and marvel trying to replace mutants with Inhumans forawhile..it was a total clusterf***. Of course the ultimate irony is...mutants are STILL artificial...it's just in the MAIN marvel universe, Mutants are a result of the CELESTIALS tinkering with genetics, not humans. It's old canon, going back to the Celestials first appearances...they came to earth, created the Eternals, the Deviants..and the Latants. ie mutants. unlike the eternals, who are all living gods..or the deviants, who change wildly and uncontrollably from one individual to the next(almost always in a BAD way) Latants can SEEM human..for generations even. but then the right physical or mental cues manifest, and voila! you could wind up with a near-Eternal...or be some sort of abomination that is dangerous to themself and others without having an ounce of control. And as this was all done waaay back in prehistroy, with tons of interbreeding since then, there are very few pure strain humans left. And did I mention the celestials can and HAVE used mind contorl to subliiminally control mass quantities of people into ignoring them and going about thier business? The Eternals know all about it (and are quite powerless to stop it) remember when there was a celestial parked in San fransisco for awhile? The avengers showed up, determined to DO something about it...confronted the Eternals...then were just told to go home. and they did. Tony stark was just barely smart enough to realize he was being mind contorlled before he FORGOT he was being mind controlled and went home with the others. The celestials are DICKS. which makes this whole Krakoan mutant nation even worse, when you think about it. it's literally all based on a lie.
This feels straight out of chainsaw man and these titles would fit inside that universe seemlessly for Denji to beat up(except chainsaw nipples, he would still be into that).
I mean he could have been in the x man just more of a last resort joker than enything his mutation is op asf drop him in the middle of rogue mutan HQ and they just poof
@@faceplant4005 doesn't mean he have to be in his container all the day xD just use the collar thingy and when the opportunity come remove it and voila, just need to clean the dust after but tbh this case just make me realize hox x-men just don't give a fuck about all of this bcs that could have been prevented easily if they wanted
to think this is almost the fate that Cyclops suffered uncontrollable unimaginable power seeping out at all times, unable to be stopped and destroying everything in it's path he truly was just a single chromosome to the left away from living a normal life
Actually in cyclops's case he received a head injury as a child in the middle of the traumatic abduction of his parents. By the time he became an adult he was so screwed up in the head that he just never learned control.. it's literally been proven multiple times that at this point his inability to turn off his eye beams is a purely psychological response. A better example would be the mutant Wither.... Whose power to decay organic matter came with an urge/appetite to regularly do so. He started out a perfectly humane empathetic kid but over time that got worn down until he turned into a total monster. (The sides plot where he basically got adopted by Selene didn't help things much)
@@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon more along the lines of chroniclay neruotic with a father fixation. which became even more unhinged when Xavier was revealed to be so flawed what with what happened with the danger Room Ai and the whole team of Xmen he got killed then mindwiped everyone about. (ie Vulcan's team) Small wonder Cyclops turned into such an authoritatian meglomaniac afterwards. oh, and he's pretty much CONSTANTLY been mindfucked by telepaths his whole life. First Jack of Diamonds(waaaaaaaay back in the original xmen days) then xavier...then jean..he had a telepathic entanglement with Psylocke for a bit in the 90s, then there was the thing with Emma frost..who being a complete sociopath, took it MUCH further....Psylocke at least was moral enough to nip things in the bud. Scott Summers is a beta male with a soldier complex. It's telling that about the only time we've seen him genuinely happy was when he was de-aged and ran with the Champions for a bit...most of his mental baggage not being in place as of yet. I'm pretty sure he's past anything therapy could fix anymore. So yeah, i suppose he's a monster...but a rather tragic one, if you think about it.
Cyclops was lucky enough to have his eyebeams be containable with technology. Hell, special sunglasses are enough to stop him from going haywire. I don't even know what'd you'd be able to do with this kid.
@@SirGrimLockSmithVIII full biohazard suit at all times. Likely with mechanized vents to release the effect on command, because that's how the X-Men roll. If he was lucky, he might have a bedroom that served as a containment chamber.
The Ultimate universe may have been needlessly dark and edgy at times... but there's something about this story that just... clicks. Something about it feels like it would fit perfectly into normal Marvel. Uncontrollable negative or harmful mutations... The need to keep these things under wraps for 'the greater good'... Wolverine being perfect for the job both due to his military backgrounds and memory issues... The somewhat remorseful way he goes about it... It all just feels somehow right. Like a fucked up story told well.
You might like a book series called Wild Cards... alternate post-WWII where people gain superpowers (from an alien virus in this case) but some end up with horribly negative changes. Those who got great powers were called Aces, minor powers were Deuces, and the bad luck cases were Jokers.
lol, no this would not ever fit into the 616. have you ever read a comic before? Charles would NEVER send Wolvie to murder a child regardless of how much damage they've caused and Wolvie isnt this easy on killing children or "innocent" people. hell, the most comparable thing to this story in the 616 is when he forced Spidey to kill a woman, but there was multiple stipulations like the fact Wolvie never actually wanted to do it, that it was a huge lesson to be learned for Spidey and of course the most important detail - the woman was dying AND people were trying to kill her anyway so it was more a mercy kill than anything. Wolvie is one of the best parents in marvel but only to people that aren't his own kids, there's a reason he was many children's favourite teacher at the academy even with his reputation of being grumpy and aggressive. in the Ultimate Universe Wolvie felt no shame, guilt or actually even cared about doing this. the beer wasn't a friendly gesture like you think, it was to gain his trust and make it easier, 616 Wolvie AND Charles would have tried to help the kid, 1610 versions just killed him to save face.
wolverine is the perfect person to deal with this really. he does have a soft side but knows especially when logic and the bigger picture is more important.
This is why I always hated how Storm acts in the X-Men movie when "the Cure" is created. Rogue is like "So this can fix me?" and Storm is all "No, this can't fix you, because there's nothing to fix. We're not a problem to be solved or fixed." And I'm just like... yeah, cool, that's probably pretty true for you, given that *your* power literally just turned you into a legendary mythological storm goddess. Rogue, on the other hand, has the power of "You're not allowed to ever have any kind of physical contact with anybody, at any time, for any reason, because you'll literally torture and murder anybody you touch." If I were her, I'd damn sure want the Cure too. Or if you had a power like this kid. Or even Beast, who points out how much he would have liked to have one before, given that his power is pretty much "acrobatic and *very* blue". It wasn't evil, at least not until they tried to force it on all mutants. It could have been what they advertised it as, a means for mutants who don't want their powers to remove them permanently without long lasting complications or even particularly invasive procedures. It honestly seems hypocritical for the X-Men to refuse to let their members that want it to have it. They're supposed to be about letting mutants live a good life without persecution, but they effectively persecute and peer pressure their members away from taking it, even if they want it.
Like, on one hand, I can see why most mutants would have a problem with the military or mutant hate groups having a cure. But the way lucky mutants like Storm acted is so darn infuriating. Like, the Marvel Universe is full of super-geniuses that pull impossible crap all the time. You're telling me that none of them thought up an eventuality where someone like this poor kid could happen in the middle of nowhere. Can you imagine some poor kid in rural Alabama or Appalachia with a mutation like this. Like it doesn't even have to be a cure. Like imagine if some super genius with a tragic backstory where a kid like this was his cousin. So they popped up to the X mansion and went. 'Hey, some of these mutations are pretty bad, so I made some pills and tech that could suppress the worst ones for a few hours and can make some pretty good prediction software you can use to prevent tragedy.' Though with the way Marvel is written sometimes, the genius would be treated as a villain.
I find it interesting you bring up Rogue and Storm's interaction here because iirc there's a Tumblr post about it that frames it.. let's just say very bluntly we get Mutants like Nightcrawler or Darwin, with mostly mundane powers, but then you get mutants like this kid, Rogue, or hell even ForgetMeNot ForgetMeNot manages to deal with his ability very well, but I guarantee you 9/10 people would not be able to psychologically handle being in a world that can never remember you he's more like an inverse of SCP-451, Mr. Lonely, who was an Agent who (through some kind of anomaly) can no longer perceive anyone at all (save for one instance), and seemingly cannot self-terminate (as the wiki puts it) both of these guys are ordinary people living in worlds that cannot meaningfully interact with them, in ForgetMeNot's case, only select individuals are capable of remembering him, and in 451's case, nobody is able to directly communicate with him
@@ateliermink6340 to be fair I can see why they consider "cures" pointless or simply the last resort that isn't straight up mercy killing. We know for a fact that nearly any mutant power can be controlled and harnessed given time so it does make more sense for a lot of the X-Men to advocate for growth and acceptance even when a persons power is difficult to manage. Unless of course your ForgetMeNot who's basically only remembered by Charles.
Like, if they had advertised and marketed it as something other than “The Cure”, like something more defensive rather than something to eliminate a problem, maybe it’s purpose would have been better understood in universe. The answer wasn’t to cure everyone, just those who willing wished to. Perhaps something like “The Safeguard” or something like that would have better presented its purpose.
Honestly it’s stuff like this that really causes the X-Men racism allegory to fall apart at the seams. Because there is without a doubt justifiable reason for your average Joe in the Marvel universe universe to be terrified of mutants. I genuinely kind of wish that the X-Men comics had a lot more mutants with super benign powers or don’t have any special ability outside looking different because there’s dozens walking around who might as well be gods. It’s really hard to claim racism and unfounded fear when little Timmy could wake up one morning having developed the power to fart hydrogen bombs and then on the way to school he rips one and kills 10 million people by accident
That's the thing though, the people don't hate Mutants just because they're dangerous, they hate them because they're different. A Mutant like Nightcrawler is pretty deadly but he's still a good person. He's a devoted Catholic and member of The X-Men. But regular people don't see that, all they see is a Blue Devil who can *Bamf* out of nowhere and kill them. He was the son of a terrorist and basically Satan, he was treated like a freak for a good chunk of his life just for the way he looked, he had every right to become jaded and angry at the world, and yet he still became a true pillar of good. People dont come at Mutants just because they fear that they're dangerous, they genuinely hate them. In God Loves Man Kills two children were killed along with their parents simply because they were Mutants. William Stryker killed his own subordinate after it was revealed she was a Mutant not seconds earlier, the person who had served him without question was Damned in his eyes the moment it was revealed she had the X Gene. Even if you took away every possibly dangerous Mutant on earth people would still hate them just because. They see them as freaks and monsters. This kid is dangerous but he had no say in how his DNA was coded. He was dangerous but he shouldn't be blamed for what happened because no one could've predicted this outcome. And yet the public would still find a way to make him and all other Mutants look like uncontrollable monsters when really all they are, are just people with slightly different Genes. They wouldn't stop with just the dangerous Mutants. They wouldn't stop until the entire Homosupior species was extinct.
I see were your coming from but at the same time there are like 60 diffrent groups of peoplw as bad or worse then mutants that the marvel universe doesn't have a problem with Like what government doesn't fund massive programs to take out all supervillans but they'll spend 2 billion every wensday to kill a group of people who have saved the world 30 times
@@allforone3427 That's the juvenile way the comics frame it, the nonsensical race allegory that ceases to apply once a being is born that literally causes people to die _just by being near them._ What OP is arguing is that the allegory doesn't work in this scenario. If all mutants were like Nightcrawler, a good guy with a relatively benign mutation that just gives him a neat power and makes him look different, then the allegory works fine. But it's made repeatedly clear that mutants are and will continue to be an existential threat to humanity, the planet, and sometimes even the entire universe. So of course normal humans would want to destroy them, it ceases to be an action of racism and becomes an act of survival.
@@Doc_Fun That's the thing though, it's not just the dangerous ones who could lead to mass destruction. They want they entire species eradicated. Most people just legitimately hate Mutants. This incident was an absolute tragedy but they would still use it as a reason on why they should kill every single Mutant on Earth, even the non dangerous ones. It's not about danger to these people. They actually have Slurs and the equivalent to the Clan who believe that Mutants are actually sent from the devil. And they go into things like race purity and other absolutely horrible things. If you turn out to have an activated X-Gene even if your powers aren't dangerous they'll still go after you. Anyone associated with you gets labeled a Mutie Lover. It's not just fear, It's genuine Hate.
I am glad someone has finally covered this one. I’ve always wanted to have others experience the trauma. It is literally a roll of the dice when your powers manifest.
Yeah this just happens to be one of the more well-written examples. I remember another issue of X-Men where north star is hanging out with the team and is trying to get a kid who's emerging powers are causing uncontrollable explosions, back to the school where he could theoretically receive some sort of medical attention.... Northstar is barely fast enough to avoid the effects of the explosions themselves every time the poor kid detonates but it winds up killing the kid before he can get him back.
That how it be, when your world-building is nothing and chracters exist to be a never-ending clown car of wacky "creative" writing opportuintiies. It has the same appeal as Psalms but not even thematically applicable as life lessons. Which is the point, like here, this gives people the illusion to dwell in the idea that some people just deserve euthanasia. Because then it's easy slip back into the thought process that "some people just implode everyone around them" instead of considering real solutions like actually helping Typhoid Mary to live in society. The ENJOYMENT is training your mind to "just let Wolverine go there and off their heads". AND THAT copes well with what Americans ACTUALLY pay their military to do. Sorry if got too political there, Cap. River of truth and all that.
@@sboinkthelegday3892 your "River of Truth" has a few questionable bends in it but fair enough. And you are of course correct in that there were perfectly peaceable solutions that definitely could have been achieved in the world setting but to quote cyberpunk 2077 anime series edge runners, "happy ending? wrong people ,wrong town"
Deadpool met a mutant similar to this when he was working together with Weapon X. The kid slaughtered an entire town because his powers were uncontrollable, as well as making him pretty much invulnerable. Deadpool calmed him down, causing him to depower. Only to be executed by Weapon X.
@@paige5158 It was just one of the Deadpool comics. I forget what issue. Deadpool re-joined Weapon X for a bit. He went to a destroyed town to take down a walking energy explosion and found a scared kid that couldn't control his mutation when his emotions got high. And since mutants generally awaken during puberty, that was all the time. It happened a bit after Vanessa showed back up in his life with personality issues from her shapeshifting so much.
If Deadpool got close to this kid he would die, just like everyone else. Deadpools healing factor and wolverines healing factors are both ridiculously op, but there's a big difference. Wolverines is so quick his cells can be replaced before the radiation kills all his cells reducing him to ash, while Deadpool's is slow, but can literally bring him back from a drop of blood. However since Deadpool doesn't have wolverines healing factor that means all his cells would die and there wouldn't be anything to bring him back from. He would be entirely destroyed.
@@Gizmo-ls8pp Deadpool's healing factor is from Wolverine's thanks to Weapon X. And is far more powerful most of the time, depending on the writer. At the time I was mentioning, Weapon X had actually multiplied his already crazy healing speed because he rejoined them for a bit. That's generally why Deadpool is still around after Wolvy is a skeleton in most of the future comics.
Even without his memory issues, Logan is still the perfect person for this job. With his "Nature" Background, one either realizes really quick that there are some things that just need to be done, no matter how distasteful they are, OR, one simply goes insane from the weight. This was an act of mercy for the child, as well as mankind. And often, the most merciful thing one can do is: Stop being nice. I am convinced that many of my dogs were happy I "Stopped being nice," and had the Vet "Let them go."
This is hypocrisy. Logan and Sabertooth and Magento and Silver Surfer and Dr Doom intentional mass murderers Prof X never kills. He has Rogue on staff. He is a telepath. She couls take away harmful mutations prof x could mind wipe trauma. Hell Prof X, Scarlett witch, & Jean Grey could mind wipe bigotry against mutants with cerebro, but then Prof X doesn't get to feed his savior complex. Prof X is the villain.
@@feleciawright9316 Steven Strange could use his "Dork Arts" to heal anything his Medicinal Arts could not. He doesn't. Batman could end crime In Gotham by simply giving everyone a million dollah. WE CALL IT FICTION FOR A REASON.
This story is tough. Not only for the kid, but wolverine too. He’s the only one “mentally fit” to handle these dirty jobs, but it’s still so hard. He had to kill a kid who, through no fault of his own, to save the many. And he brought this kid a beer, not because wolverine is an alcoholic (well, maybe kinda), but because like that kid said, he’d never get to grow up and realize his potential. So wolverine gives him a piece of that before he dies. Bittersweet
I personally think that the beer was brought because either 1. He was already going to be killed anyways so a beer would help him soothe his worries in his final moments Or 2. He wanted him to have an adult drink to give him a piece of how it feels to be an adult before he dies giving him peace of mind.
The kid: thanks but what I’d really prefer is to not die a virgin. 😢 Wolverine: 😮 err.. well, okay, bub … but if you aren’t gay, you can just pretend I’m a really hairy girl. 😉
Xavier is playing God, killing for the "greater good" when he has Rogue on staff, who can take away dangerous mutations and he can mind wipe traums. Professor X is a jerk.
So is this the Ultimate version of Orphan Maker from Marvel comics prime? They never reveals Orphan Maker's powers just state that it endangers the whole world.
To continue the edge train why not do a video on Marvel’s Speedball/Penance, the 616 version? His story is insanely edgy and dark but also oddly heroic and cool.
Sounds like Mathew malloy from a different universe, but less control. Itd be a great apocalypse plague character. Interesting that healing people can be around him. Almost like a protective suit and a team of healers could use him for big villians.
@@sworddomo1951 Well he had the McDonalds, His power vaporises things near him like plants and people, maybe it doesnt effect dead stuff like meat only living things. Might be off base as I haven't read it and maybe a line clarifies this
He could have brought rogue along to remove the mutation, then let prof x mind wipe the trauma. Death was not the best solution to this problem. Charles Xavier is the villian here. Like a mob boss maintaining his image, power base and only letting those loyal and useful TO HIM live free.
Something people don’t think about, Wolverine has an incredibly dense metal attached to his skeleton. His claws rip open his skin every time he uses them. No one ever shot Logan with the cure in X 3 and he needs his power to literally survive. It’s keeping him alive. Yes I know there’s comics where he brushes off poisons and venoms of all kinds and also ones where his skeleton attunes to the metal so he can even grow back his laced skeleton. But they never did it in X-men movies.
@@davidw.2791 If not for the Adamantium, it's questionable if he even could have died via aging, or at all for that matter. He fights in the American Civil War, both World Wars and Vietnam and doesn't even look like he's aged past mid 30s. We also know that the ADM was hampering his healing factor as before he gets it he gets shot multiple times during those wars and by firing squad and is perfectly fine, but when he gets by the ADM tipped bullet he suffers brain damage that isn't healed and his clone gets killed by it.
i think the biggest reason why this was so dark was because, with all the sci-fi shit in comics, there couldve been a really creative solution to save this kid. they couldve figured out his radius, ran tests, cured him, found a way to lie to the media about the 256+ from his town. but instead... its almost like the xmen sent wolverine to do nothing but kill the kid.
If you did cure him you'd still need to erase his memory of what happened. Because there is no one who can live with the guilt of killing that many innocent people, especially when your loved ones are added into the mix.
The "People irrationally hate mutants" narrative dies here. Because as bad as it is, this guy isn't the worst in terms of collateral damage. At a certain point, you need to ask the serious and uncomfortable question to whether it's irresponsible to NOT kill off all the mutants. Because one of them might eventually kill all of humanity. Jesus.
This demonstrates the limits of most peoples morality and imagination. Typhoid Mary was a historical/real person who spread a communicable disease. She was not executed. There are people who intentionally spread aids before the cure who were not executed. The government officials who poisoned flint Michigan's water - which will affect the children, their children's, and grand children's intelligence -were not executed. This kid could be cured by rogue and trauma healed by Xavier, but everyone in the comments is advocating for extra judicial execution. Charles Xavier is the villian here. Not the kid.
Untrue there have been plenty of other issues for meetings Powers prove uncontrollable and kill them before the X-Men can do anything about it. Others have been grotesquely disfigured by the initial uses of the powers and the X-Men in their eternal look brilliance just pack them on the head, declare them unique wonderful snowflakes and then ignore them. Honestly at this point the psychological reaction is so incredibly stupid on the part of the established mutants I can only chalk it up to some form of celestial mind control.
@@virgilio6349 welllllll.......Ultimate Marvel was still a couple of years away from revealing that not only were mutants man-made but that it was completely reversible/curable.... So short of keeping the poor kid in some sort of containment suit and most likely eventually weaponizing him .....because let's face it that's exactly what all factions of the mutants would do eventually, X-Men included(for the greater good of course) yeah, that was probably the most merciful outcome.
@@alexsolomon7991 Even with the cure, you don't come out of murdering everyone you know unwillingly plus 200 more innocent people without any life long baggage. Plus what you said, this kid was a wrong side of bed day from ending it himself. Honestly it was a very realistic portrayal of what rampant mutant powers would really be like.
@@virgilio6349 I mean, won't it stop? They could literally turn off his powers... If they had waited, and not started killing the boy right away. It's pretty easy to shield him from contact with other people. This is a very realistic and at the same time stupid solution
I adore this story because it instantly destroys the 'racism against mutants' argument instantly. I mean, for crying out loud, Cyclops is the poster boy for uncontrollable power. He got LUCKY with it only being his eyes and that there's a material on Earth that contains his power. He could've EASILY been like this kid.
Not really tbh. Like......I can understand that this kid needed to die because of how uncontrollable his power is even though it's unfair as hell. But at the same time, what about the mutants who have relatively benign mutation like the ability to change skin color or maybe make plants grow faster. Those people certainly don't deserve that kind of mistreatment
There's a storyline in the Ultimate Universe where his entire body gained the ability to absorb sunlight due to a drug called Banshee. He basically became Superman
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I recall reading this for the first time and for a moment finding it darkly touching because Wolverine was giving the kid a mercy killing... but then I recalled about what he said on the coverup and Charles sending him there, and realized that it was more or less a hit job.
Would have been cool if he had the ability to store organic energy. Like he didn’t actually kill them he just siphoned their energy and can figure out later how to restore it. Think teleporting but removal of all organic material and re assembling it somewhere else. Or even a weird version of portaging then possibly through a similar dimension that night crawler and azazel travel through. Maybe magik could have seen a bunch of naked people showing up in her dimension.
@@AL-lh2ht Now one I'm even sadder... When Marvel "saw" (thought) no one 'actually' cared about the ultimate line, they just straight up left everything else to rot. But still, some of these fictional characters deserved better.
How about the guy who's superpower was the ability to explode... once? Like, deadly combustion from inside of his body. Come to think of it, he still could just not do that. The guy in the video is much more unlucky
While it SHOULD make you wonder how many other mutants like this are walking around densly-populated cities, ticking. And for how many it will not matter where they are because they'll just take out the entire planet in one go...
No. "This is why mutants cannot be allowed to exist in their unchecked state, and the entire "mutants as oppressed minority" thing they're trying to push is bullshit of the highest order."
As tragic and sad as this story is, I like the subtle detail that his power affected food items like the bananas but didn't affect the McDonald's, implying that McD's isn't made from "organic tissue". Though ... one question I have about that is, how did he even get McD's? His power wouldn't have let him go to an actual store without killing the on duty staff...
This story is an excellent example of why I *HATED* the "Ultimate" universe and everything to do with it, and didn't have the most positive feelings toward the individuals at Marvel that thought it was ever a good idea as *anything* other than an alternate universe where everything has gone wrong somehow. The "Grimdark Universe" or the "For Want of a Nail Universe," okay. But the "Ultimate" universe? Dafuq is "ultimate" about it? There's a very similar character in the regular Marvel universe: Hazmat. She's a mutate, not a mutant, but her power is the production of a variety of lethal effects: toxins, radiation, apparently even antimatter particles if she tries really hard. She also couldn't shut her powers off, and Norman Osborn experimented on her to amplify them, so she would kill a normal human in a very short period of time at the lowest level of lethality she could achieve. Hank Pym designed a containment suit that protected everyone around her, she started a relationship with Mettle (a mutate whose power was that he responded to trauma by regrowing the tissue as bio-metal, discovered when he got dinged in the head by his surfboard -- Osborn skinned him alive to fully activate his power) who was immune to anything she could produce. Difference: writers who wanted to write heroes and have hope and character growth in their comics, versus writers who wanted grimdark body horror, abusive spouses, six-inch Hank Pym climbing into his wife's vagina, and other such depressing, gross, nigh-unreadable stuff. This story is tragic, but it's avoidable tragedy if it didn't take place in a universe where everything always has to be awful.
I started reading old school "happy" and heroic comics to escape the grim depressive grip of reality.... I don't want to read shit that reminds me of how bleak the regular human psych is... But here we are anyway. I'm sad and disappointed too.
I wonder if Mr Fantastic and Invisible Woman covered up Franklin's powers or being a mutant too, I mean, if the X men were scared of a mutant like THIS ruining things for them, then just IMAGINE how the public would react to Franklin's powers and to the fact that he is a mutant... (Yeah I know it's a different universe but still though...)
I pity the boy. His power is like a passive power that has a time on it to activate automatically. He feel bad since he knew that is happening because he was the only one alive. His mutant power could attack automatically without his order so he definitely felt guilt from all of it so he accepted his fate that he has to die for the safety of the humanity. No one teens accept death that they know they had powers. But this guy. Gained my respect that he took that responsibility and accepted death.
What’s funny is that Wolverine kind of didn’t have to kill him. He would’ve starved first since his ability should have destroyed all the food around him too.
To everyone saying "why didn't they save the kid" or "they could've trained him" or even "give him a place to hide, the collars, something."... This is a KID. Who unintentionally killed his family, friends, and everyone else who were in range of him for too long. This... Had no "good" ending. Train/shelter/"save" the kid? Great, you are guaranteeing he lives on in guilt of killing over two hundred and sixty people. Not just men and women, but children too. And not just strangers, some were friends, some were family, one was his girlfriend. All by waking up, and going to school. In this story, you either have "Train him, shelter him, let him live on in guilt of what he did." Which may as well end with him taking the easy way out without Logans' help. I mean, there isn't a lot of food options he could eat if his power just deleted it. So he might even starve if you shelter him. And then. There's the "easy way out" ending. Which is the closest thing to a "good" ending for this kid... It sucks because this was a KID it happened to. And I hate it because this was the only way to deal with such a situation without harming more people unintentionally. I hate it, but that's it.
@@Ghostly_One1 till Xavier dies or has to focus on something bigger or when krakoa fails and he has no other psychic to force others to remember him. I mean I'm not sure exactly how his powers work, but he'll have no ppl interactions unless it's through a monitor.
Reminds me of when batman had to... had to... euthanize a kid. Damn. Wolverine and Batman are the only ones I'm okay with with having to kill a kid and that's not an okay thing to admit ig
Because if it's Batman or wolverine, you know there are no alternatives. Batman has plans for everything and wolverine has worked with everyone in the know. If they can't find the answer there isn't one.
This is basically Wither turned up to 11, a mutant who has deadly powers who accidentally kills a normal human, in Wither's case it was his own father and it also created a national scandal and a court case where they attempted to try the boy for manslaughter, which caused a big rift for mutant rights. Wolverine was right, this was x100 times worse, there would be no coming back from something like this. If anything, it would have been more of a mercy to have killed the boy quietly and never told him how much death he had caused, making him come to terms with something he had no control over before doing the deed was arguably more cruel. Does make me wonder tho, if this mutant had begged for Wolverine not to kill him, would he still have done it, or did they have a contingency? Did Wolverine only kill the kid because he asked him to?
Somehow I feel like the boy was doomed regardless. Had Wolverine never done the deed then someone/something else eventually would have once word gotten out on how that town combusted out of existence.I believe Wolverine was just sent there as the more merciful harbinger for this kid.
- umm what about those inhibitor collars or the damn cure, or any of the reality bender types, or the smart guys who can solve almost any genetic issue.....this was really heartbreaking but seems heartless from Xavier. Full on the registration side, it shows how Xavier just wipes out genocides when inconvenient.
Shame they never really focused on this side of the X-Men. It justifices and explains a lot of things. People are rightfully afraid of mutants, the cure is actually a good thing and call it harmful thinking but even though mutants did a lot good when there's powers like this which cause this much suffering it's really the best for everyone if mutants wouldn't exist and i mean cured not killed of course.
The racism against mutants argument was one that was always flawed due to being explored from the X-men's perspective, but this story absolutely destroys it. You have a boy that randomly manifests a radiation power that vaporizes anyone near him. The X-men can't even directly help him control it because it's that dangerous. One kid had trash luck in the mutant powers lottery and suddenly 265+ people are dead. This is not even considering the potential nightmare of if the kid decided to be a villain. In the end, the kid got killed by Wolverine because Charles deemed it necessary for the "greater good" of mutants..
Marvel Comics- Mutants aren’t dangerous! People are just afraid of them for no reason! Also Marvel Comics- (portrays mutants accidentally killing people, accidentally maiming/disfiguring themselves or others, and/or purposely committing terroristic acts against people and property)
I'd argue that this isn't the unluckiest mutant. The unluckiest mutant (I forgot his name) is the one that has the power to explode, but it will literally kill him if he decides to use it.
Shit. That's heavy. I feel super, super bad for the kid. He seemed nice. But more important than that; he didn't get to decide. His very existence just suddenly turned nuclear. There's a reason the whole thing with Spider-Man is "With great power comes great responsibility". It'd be interesting to see a scenario where the boy is told all of this before shit goes down, he believes he can control it, and then it all goes to shit. But that'd be heartbreaking too. I like happy endings, man. This is messed up D:
They couldve made a suit where it harness the energy and he can shoot it as bursts or release waves. He would be durable for heavy missions. He in an army of hundreds could be unstoppable.
Wait Wolverine killed him? Why didn't they teach him how to control his powers instead of killing him? Isnt that the whole purpose of the X-man? Did Charles order Wolverine to kill him? Or did Wolverine do it because the boy asked for it.
I mean, we don't know the range of his power. We only know it takes a little while to "happen" so you might be able to train him... It's just... This is a grey solution. If it gets out one kid unintentionally killed over two hundred and sixty people, just by waking up and going to school. I dread to think of how people would react... If I was told that's how many I killed, simply by going to school. I would've preferred this way out... I don't know who could handle that guilt. But I know I can't.
Wait Wolverine killed him? Why didn't they teach him how to control his powers instead of killing him? --- You are implying that such power can be controlled or used for anything except sheer mass destruction.
I remember this one. And there's another mutant that I can recall also blessed with suck powers just like this. A bad roll of dice. His power was basically being a Human Bomb. Only except... He can't blow himself up and build himself back again. Should he blow up, that's it. He found out that he does have a power inside to explode but it's only a one use only. Which.... Really... Sucks.
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See, this, THIS is why "The Cure" was created in the movie. It's not a weapon against mutant kind, at least not at first. It was created so that those who lost the dice roll could have normal lives. Rogue couldn't even touch her boyfriend.
The Cure itself wasn't a bad thing. In fact, it was very good. However, as soon as they stuck it into a weapon, that's when it all went to shit.
Agreed. The cure should have been saved as a voluntary medical treatment instead of being used as a weapon. The only time it should be forced onto someone is if that somebody is a known criminal with little to no chance of rehabilitation as long as they keep their powers. And of course, it depends on the nature of the mutation itself, like if it's something that the subject can't ever control and is dangerous to everyone around them, such as with this poor kid. And some people thought Beak had the worst mutation... Nope.
It's funny, I just rewatched Brand New Animal (great anime by Trigger if someone hasn't heard of it before), and that's basically the plot to that. No more spoilers beyond that,just funny how the two had an aligned moral lesson about forcing people who are different to become normal is a bad thing, but OFFERING it as a CHOICE isn't.
@@GrandmasterDevo Who’s Beak?
@@ozzywalker609 if i'm right it's a dude with bird bones and obviously a beak
it's worth mentioning that this story was written in the "ultimate" marvel universe, where mutancy was in fact artifical..ie made by humans. a genetic expereiment that ran wild. magneto, as it turns out, was MASSIVELY in denial .by the time the Ultimate universe self destructed, MOST people opted for the cure, deciding the powers weren't worth it. This carried over into the main marvel universe, in a storyline where after all the interdimensional incursions, someone found and was using the strain of mutancy in the main, "616" universe. storylines were...really confusing for awhile, even before the woke Krakoa era. People didn't know what to do with the property..add in the mess with movie rights and marvel trying to replace mutants with Inhumans forawhile..it was a total clusterf***.
Of course the ultimate irony is...mutants are STILL artificial...it's just in the MAIN marvel universe, Mutants are a result of the CELESTIALS tinkering with genetics, not humans. It's old canon, going back to the Celestials first appearances...they came to earth, created the Eternals, the Deviants..and the Latants. ie mutants. unlike the eternals, who are all living gods..or the deviants, who change wildly and uncontrollably from one individual to the next(almost always in a BAD way) Latants can SEEM human..for generations even. but then the right physical or mental cues manifest, and voila! you could wind up with a near-Eternal...or be some sort of abomination that is dangerous to themself and others without having an ounce of control. And as this was all done waaay back in prehistroy, with tons of interbreeding since then, there are very few pure strain humans left. And did I mention the celestials can and HAVE used mind contorl to subliiminally control mass quantities of people into ignoring them and going about thier business? The Eternals know all about it (and are quite powerless to stop it) remember when there was a celestial parked in San fransisco for awhile? The avengers showed up, determined to DO something about it...confronted the Eternals...then were just told to go home. and they did. Tony stark was just barely smart enough to realize he was being mind contorlled before he FORGOT he was being mind controlled and went home with the others.
The celestials are DICKS. which makes this whole Krakoan mutant nation even worse, when you think about it. it's literally all based on a lie.
"We don't need to cure our mutant abilities," says Johnny 5 Dicks
As "glass for blood" and "chainsaw nipples" weep in the corner
WTF
This feels straight out of chainsaw man and these titles would fit inside that universe seemlessly for Denji to beat up(except chainsaw nipples, he would still be into that).
Chainsaw nipples sounds like a Devilman demon
Lmao wtf bruh.
@@StateOfTheMind11225 there’s nothing in chainsaw man that fits that, what are you talking about?
"So one chromosome to the left and i could've been in the x-men?" Fuck man
I like to clown on ultimate x men but it can really deliver on emotional moments
I mean he could have been in the x man just more of a last resort joker than enything his mutation is op asf drop him in the middle of rogue mutan HQ and they just poof
@@paille-boy maybe yeah but id rather be dead than live in a tiny metal container
@@faceplant4005 doesn't mean he have to be in his container all the day xD just use the collar thingy and when the opportunity come remove it and voila, just need to clean the dust after
but tbh this case just make me realize hox x-men just don't give a fuck about all of this bcs that could have been prevented easily if they wanted
@@paille-boy fair
to think this is almost the fate that Cyclops suffered
uncontrollable unimaginable power seeping out at all times, unable to be stopped and destroying everything in it's path
he truly was just a single chromosome to the left away from living a normal life
Actually in cyclops's case he received a head injury as a child in the middle of the traumatic abduction of his parents. By the time he became an adult he was so screwed up in the head that he just never learned control.. it's literally been proven multiple times that at this point his inability to turn off his eye beams is a purely psychological response. A better example would be the mutant Wither.... Whose power to decay organic matter came with an urge/appetite to regularly do so. He started out a perfectly humane empathetic kid but over time that got worn down until he turned into a total monster. (The sides plot where he basically got adopted by Selene didn't help things much)
@@alexsolomon7991 so he truly is a monster...
@@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon more along the lines of chroniclay neruotic with a father fixation. which became even more unhinged when Xavier was revealed to be so flawed what with what happened with the danger Room Ai and the whole team of Xmen he got killed then mindwiped everyone about. (ie Vulcan's team) Small wonder Cyclops turned into such an authoritatian meglomaniac afterwards.
oh, and he's pretty much CONSTANTLY been mindfucked by telepaths his whole life. First Jack of Diamonds(waaaaaaaay back in the original xmen days) then xavier...then jean..he had a telepathic entanglement with Psylocke for a bit in the 90s, then there was the thing with Emma frost..who being a complete sociopath, took it MUCH further....Psylocke at least was moral enough to nip things in the bud. Scott Summers is a beta male with a soldier complex. It's telling that about the only time we've seen him genuinely happy was when he was de-aged and ran with the Champions for a bit...most of his mental baggage not being in place as of yet. I'm pretty sure he's past anything therapy could fix anymore.
So yeah, i suppose he's a monster...but a rather tragic one, if you think about it.
Cyclops was lucky enough to have his eyebeams be containable with technology. Hell, special sunglasses are enough to stop him from going haywire.
I don't even know what'd you'd be able to do with this kid.
@@SirGrimLockSmithVIII full biohazard suit at all times. Likely with mechanized vents to release the effect on command, because that's how the X-Men roll. If he was lucky, he might have a bedroom that served as a containment chamber.
The Ultimate universe may have been needlessly dark and edgy at times... but there's something about this story that just... clicks. Something about it feels like it would fit perfectly into normal Marvel. Uncontrollable negative or harmful mutations... The need to keep these things under wraps for 'the greater good'... Wolverine being perfect for the job both due to his military backgrounds and memory issues... The somewhat remorseful way he goes about it... It all just feels somehow right. Like a fucked up story told well.
I havnt read much comics but i think its just… idk it seems almost realistic in their world.
You might like a book series called Wild Cards... alternate post-WWII where people gain superpowers (from an alien virus in this case) but some end up with horribly negative changes. Those who got great powers were called Aces, minor powers were Deuces, and the bad luck cases were Jokers.
lol, no this would not ever fit into the 616.
have you ever read a comic before?
Charles would NEVER send Wolvie to murder a child regardless of how much damage they've caused and Wolvie isnt this easy on killing children or "innocent" people.
hell, the most comparable thing to this story in the 616 is when he forced Spidey to kill a woman, but there was multiple stipulations like the fact Wolvie never actually wanted to do it, that it was a huge lesson to be learned for Spidey and of course the most important detail - the woman was dying AND people were trying to kill her anyway so it was more a mercy kill than anything.
Wolvie is one of the best parents in marvel but only to people that aren't his own kids, there's a reason he was many children's favourite teacher at the academy even with his reputation of being grumpy and aggressive.
in the Ultimate Universe Wolvie felt no shame, guilt or actually even cared about doing this.
the beer wasn't a friendly gesture like you think, it was to gain his trust and make it easier, 616 Wolvie AND Charles would have tried to help the kid, 1610 versions just killed him to save face.
It makes the world feel more alive.
wolverine is the perfect person to deal with this really. he does have a soft side but knows especially when logic and the bigger picture is more important.
This is why I always hated how Storm acts in the X-Men movie when "the Cure" is created. Rogue is like "So this can fix me?" and Storm is all "No, this can't fix you, because there's nothing to fix. We're not a problem to be solved or fixed." And I'm just like... yeah, cool, that's probably pretty true for you, given that *your* power literally just turned you into a legendary mythological storm goddess. Rogue, on the other hand, has the power of "You're not allowed to ever have any kind of physical contact with anybody, at any time, for any reason, because you'll literally torture and murder anybody you touch." If I were her, I'd damn sure want the Cure too. Or if you had a power like this kid. Or even Beast, who points out how much he would have liked to have one before, given that his power is pretty much "acrobatic and *very* blue". It wasn't evil, at least not until they tried to force it on all mutants. It could have been what they advertised it as, a means for mutants who don't want their powers to remove them permanently without long lasting complications or even particularly invasive procedures. It honestly seems hypocritical for the X-Men to refuse to let their members that want it to have it. They're supposed to be about letting mutants live a good life without persecution, but they effectively persecute and peer pressure their members away from taking it, even if they want it.
Like, on one hand, I can see why most mutants would have a problem with the military or mutant hate groups having a cure. But the way lucky mutants like Storm acted is so darn infuriating.
Like, the Marvel Universe is full of super-geniuses that pull impossible crap all the time. You're telling me that none of them thought up an eventuality where someone like this poor kid could happen in the middle of nowhere. Can you imagine some poor kid in rural Alabama or Appalachia with a mutation like this.
Like it doesn't even have to be a cure. Like imagine if some super genius with a tragic backstory where a kid like this was his cousin. So they popped up to the X mansion and went. 'Hey, some of these mutations are pretty bad, so I made some pills and tech that could suppress the worst ones for a few hours and can make some pretty good prediction software you can use to prevent tragedy.'
Though with the way Marvel is written sometimes, the genius would be treated as a villain.
I find it interesting you bring up Rogue and Storm's interaction here
because iirc there's a Tumblr post about it that frames it.. let's just say very bluntly
we get Mutants like Nightcrawler or Darwin, with mostly mundane powers, but then you get mutants like this kid, Rogue, or hell even ForgetMeNot
ForgetMeNot manages to deal with his ability very well, but I guarantee you 9/10 people would not be able to psychologically handle being in a world that can never remember you
he's more like an inverse of SCP-451, Mr. Lonely, who was an Agent who (through some kind of anomaly) can no longer perceive anyone at all (save for one instance), and seemingly cannot self-terminate (as the wiki puts it)
both of these guys are ordinary people living in worlds that cannot meaningfully interact with them, in ForgetMeNot's case, only select individuals are capable of remembering him, and in 451's case, nobody is able to directly communicate with him
Well I can assure you the X-Men thinking that way is long gone. Just look at any of the current running X-Men series they've been changed forever.
@@ateliermink6340 to be fair I can see why they consider "cures" pointless or simply the last resort that isn't straight up mercy killing. We know for a fact that nearly any mutant power can be controlled and harnessed given time so it does make more sense for a lot of the X-Men to advocate for growth and acceptance even when a persons power is difficult to manage. Unless of course your ForgetMeNot who's basically only remembered by Charles.
Like, if they had advertised and marketed it as something other than “The Cure”, like something more defensive rather than something to eliminate a problem, maybe it’s purpose would have been better understood in universe. The answer wasn’t to cure everyone, just those who willing wished to. Perhaps something like “The Safeguard” or something like that would have better presented its purpose.
Honestly it’s stuff like this that really causes the X-Men racism allegory to fall apart at the seams. Because there is without a doubt justifiable reason for your average Joe in the Marvel universe universe to be terrified of mutants. I genuinely kind of wish that the X-Men comics had a lot more mutants with super benign powers or don’t have any special ability outside looking different because there’s dozens walking around who might as well be gods. It’s really hard to claim racism and unfounded fear when little Timmy could wake up one morning having developed the power to fart hydrogen bombs and then on the way to school he rips one and kills 10 million people by accident
Ok wtf
That's the thing though, the people don't hate Mutants just because they're dangerous, they hate them because they're different. A Mutant like Nightcrawler is pretty deadly but he's still a good person. He's a devoted Catholic and member of The X-Men. But regular people don't see that, all they see is a Blue Devil who can *Bamf* out of nowhere and kill them. He was the son of a terrorist and basically Satan, he was treated like a freak for a good chunk of his life just for the way he looked, he had every right to become jaded and angry at the world, and yet he still became a true pillar of good. People dont come at Mutants just because they fear that they're dangerous, they genuinely hate them. In God Loves Man Kills two children were killed along with their parents simply because they were Mutants. William Stryker killed his own subordinate after it was revealed she was a Mutant not seconds earlier, the person who had served him without question was Damned in his eyes the moment it was revealed she had the X Gene. Even if you took away every possibly dangerous Mutant on earth people would still hate them just because. They see them as freaks and monsters. This kid is dangerous but he had no say in how his DNA was coded. He was dangerous but he shouldn't be blamed for what happened because no one could've predicted this outcome. And yet the public would still find a way to make him and all other Mutants look like uncontrollable monsters when really all they are, are just people with slightly different Genes. They wouldn't stop with just the dangerous Mutants. They wouldn't stop until the entire Homosupior species was extinct.
I see were your coming from but at the same time there are like 60 diffrent groups of peoplw as bad or worse then mutants that the marvel universe doesn't have a problem with
Like what government doesn't fund massive programs to take out all supervillans but they'll spend 2 billion every wensday to kill a group of people who have saved the world 30 times
@@allforone3427 That's the juvenile way the comics frame it, the nonsensical race allegory that ceases to apply once a being is born that literally causes people to die _just by being near them._ What OP is arguing is that the allegory doesn't work in this scenario. If all mutants were like Nightcrawler, a good guy with a relatively benign mutation that just gives him a neat power and makes him look different, then the allegory works fine. But it's made repeatedly clear that mutants are and will continue to be an existential threat to humanity, the planet, and sometimes even the entire universe. So of course normal humans would want to destroy them, it ceases to be an action of racism and becomes an act of survival.
@@Doc_Fun That's the thing though, it's not just the dangerous ones who could lead to mass destruction. They want they entire species eradicated. Most people just legitimately hate Mutants. This incident was an absolute tragedy but they would still use it as a reason on why they should kill every single Mutant on Earth, even the non dangerous ones. It's not about danger to these people. They actually have Slurs and the equivalent to the Clan who believe that Mutants are actually sent from the devil. And they go into things like race purity and other absolutely horrible things. If you turn out to have an activated X-Gene even if your powers aren't dangerous they'll still go after you. Anyone associated with you gets labeled a Mutie Lover. It's not just fear, It's genuine Hate.
I am glad someone has finally covered this one. I’ve always wanted to have others experience the trauma. It is literally a roll of the dice when your powers manifest.
Yeah this just happens to be one of the more well-written examples. I remember another issue of X-Men where north star is hanging out with the team and is trying to get a kid who's emerging powers are causing uncontrollable explosions, back to the school where he could theoretically receive some sort of medical attention.... Northstar is barely fast enough to avoid the effects of the explosions themselves every time the poor kid detonates but it winds up killing the kid before he can get him back.
You're traumatized by this ?
(Don't) Try the comic _Nameless_ then 😂
That how it be, when your world-building is nothing and chracters exist to be a never-ending clown car of wacky "creative" writing opportuintiies. It has the same appeal as Psalms but not even thematically applicable as life lessons.
Which is the point, like here, this gives people the illusion to dwell in the idea that some people just deserve euthanasia. Because then it's easy slip back into the thought process that "some people just implode everyone around them" instead of considering real solutions like actually helping Typhoid Mary to live in society. The ENJOYMENT is training your mind to "just let Wolverine go there and off their heads". AND THAT copes well with what Americans ACTUALLY pay their military to do.
Sorry if got too political there, Cap. River of truth and all that.
@@sboinkthelegday3892 your "River of Truth" has a few questionable bends in it but fair enough. And you are of course correct in that there were perfectly peaceable solutions that definitely could have been achieved in the world setting but to quote cyberpunk 2077 anime series edge runners, "happy ending? wrong people ,wrong town"
It's also a major Craps Shoot on whether or not you retain your sanity when they do, regardless of how benign OR beneficial they are, or aren't.
Deadpool met a mutant similar to this when he was working together with Weapon X. The kid slaughtered an entire town because his powers were uncontrollable, as well as making him pretty much invulnerable.
Deadpool calmed him down, causing him to depower. Only to be executed by Weapon X.
What story was that
@@paige5158 It was just one of the Deadpool comics. I forget what issue. Deadpool re-joined Weapon X for a bit.
He went to a destroyed town to take down a walking energy explosion and found a scared kid that couldn't control his mutation when his emotions got high. And since mutants generally awaken during puberty, that was all the time.
It happened a bit after Vanessa showed back up in his life with personality issues from her shapeshifting so much.
If Deadpool got close to this kid he would die, just like everyone else. Deadpools healing factor and wolverines healing factors are both ridiculously op, but there's a big difference. Wolverines is so quick his cells can be replaced before the radiation kills all his cells reducing him to ash, while Deadpool's is slow, but can literally bring him back from a drop of blood. However since Deadpool doesn't have wolverines healing factor that means all his cells would die and there wouldn't be anything to bring him back from. He would be entirely destroyed.
@@Gizmo-ls8pp Deadpool's healing factor is from Wolverine's thanks to Weapon X. And is far more powerful most of the time, depending on the writer.
At the time I was mentioning, Weapon X had actually multiplied his already crazy healing speed because he rejoined them for a bit.
That's generally why Deadpool is still around after Wolvy is a skeleton in most of the future comics.
Even without his memory issues, Logan is still the perfect person for this job. With his "Nature" Background, one either realizes really quick that there are some things that just need to be done, no matter how distasteful they are, OR, one simply goes insane from the weight.
This was an act of mercy for the child, as well as mankind. And often, the most merciful thing one can do is:
Stop being nice.
I am convinced that many of my dogs were happy I "Stopped being nice," and had the Vet "Let them go."
You're wrong. Wolverine was nice to the kid. You were nice to your dogs for letting them go. What the lesson is, is not everyone can be saved.
@@RequiemPoete _That was my entire point, Timmy!_
This is hypocrisy. Logan and Sabertooth and Magento and Silver Surfer and Dr Doom intentional mass murderers Prof X never kills. He has Rogue on staff. He is a telepath. She couls take away harmful mutations prof x could mind wipe trauma. Hell Prof X, Scarlett witch, & Jean Grey could mind wipe bigotry against mutants with cerebro, but then Prof X doesn't get to feed his savior complex. Prof X is the villain.
@@feleciawright9316 Steven Strange could use his "Dork Arts" to heal anything his Medicinal Arts could not. He doesn't.
Batman could end crime In Gotham by simply giving everyone a million dollah.
WE CALL IT FICTION FOR A REASON.
This story is tough. Not only for the kid, but wolverine too. He’s the only one “mentally fit” to handle these dirty jobs, but it’s still so hard. He had to kill a kid who, through no fault of his own, to save the many. And he brought this kid a beer, not because wolverine is an alcoholic (well, maybe kinda), but because like that kid said, he’d never get to grow up and realize his potential. So wolverine gives him a piece of that before he dies. Bittersweet
I personally think that the beer was brought because either
1. He was already going to be killed anyways so a beer would help him soothe his worries in his final moments
Or 2. He wanted him to have an adult drink to give him a piece of how it feels to be an adult before he dies giving him peace of mind.
I haven't even read the comic yet but I'm a struggling alcoholic.... That's honestly so sad.....
The kid: thanks but what I’d really prefer is to not die a virgin. 😢
Wolverine: 😮 err.. well, okay, bub … but if you aren’t gay, you can just pretend I’m a really hairy girl. 😉
@@Nightman221k (inb4 Wolverine considers calling X-23)
Well damn, that was dark.
Professor X is willing to "tie up loose ends" to make sure mutants look good and innocent.
You learn it was Nick Fury who had Wolverine do this, not Xavier.
@@darthnowlan Either way, i dont like it
Xavier is playing God, killing for the "greater good" when he has Rogue on staff, who can take away dangerous mutations and he can mind wipe traums. Professor X is a jerk.
@@feleciawright9316 True, then again the "Ultimate" universe was fucked in its own way
So is this the Ultimate version of Orphan Maker from Marvel comics prime? They never reveals Orphan Maker's powers just state that it endangers the whole world.
@Vae Victis yooooo Batman origins
@Vae Victis unli Batmans? That power be broken tho
@@slackm4n34 yooooooo UNLIMITED ROBINS FOR BATMAN
Orphan Maker's power is to asexually reproduce and then walk away from the kids
To continue the edge train why not do a video on Marvel’s Speedball/Penance, the 616 version? His story is insanely edgy and dark but also oddly heroic and cool.
I love him
Is it similar to the Civil War thing or...?
@@sifutophmasterofeyerolling2513 yes, it's Speedball who indirectly responsible for Civil War.
Alex Lennen has an amazing video about him
Good idea, he could also include Post-Civil War/Norman Osborn's Thunderbolts since he was part of that team.
Sounds like Mathew malloy from a different universe, but less control. Itd be a great apocalypse plague character.
Interesting that healing people can be around him. Almost like a protective suit and a team of healers could use him for big villians.
Someone pointed out food dies too. So he will starve to death anyways. Shame.
@@sworddomo1951 depends on what exactly he effects, IV and pills might work
@@sworddomo1951 Well he had the McDonalds, His power vaporises things near him like plants and people, maybe it doesnt effect dead stuff like meat only living things. Might be off base as I haven't read it and maybe a line clarifies this
You left out the best detail where he offered the kid a beer and refused to kill him until he finished it
He could have brought rogue along to remove the mutation, then let prof x mind wipe the trauma. Death was not the best solution to this problem. Charles Xavier is the villian here. Like a mob boss maintaining his image, power base and only letting those loyal and useful TO HIM live free.
Something people don’t think about, Wolverine has an incredibly dense metal attached to his skeleton. His claws rip open his skin every time he uses them. No one ever shot Logan with the cure in X 3 and he needs his power to literally survive. It’s keeping him alive. Yes I know there’s comics where he brushes off poisons and venoms of all kinds and also ones where his skeleton attunes to the metal so he can even grow back his laced skeleton. But they never did it in X-men movies.
Well the heavy metal poisoning did catch up with him in “Logan”. If not for the adamantium, he’d not grow old so quickly at a mere 250 years.
@@davidw.2791 cus the cure was in the corn starch of alcohol in Logan. If Logan didn’t drink he wouldn’t age
@@davidw.2791 If not for the Adamantium, it's questionable if he even could have died via aging, or at all for that matter. He fights in the American Civil War, both World Wars and Vietnam and doesn't even look like he's aged past mid 30s. We also know that the ADM was hampering his healing factor as before he gets it he gets shot multiple times during those wars and by firing squad and is perfectly fine, but when he gets by the ADM tipped bullet he suffers brain damage that isn't healed and his clone gets killed by it.
@@ivantheenigma577 And then in Logan the movie, there was that goddamn corn syrup laced with anti-mutant dna therapy. 😢
i think the biggest reason why this was so dark was because, with all the sci-fi shit in comics, there couldve been a really creative solution to save this kid. they couldve figured out his radius, ran tests, cured him, found a way to lie to the media about the 256+ from his town. but instead... its almost like the xmen sent wolverine to do nothing but kill the kid.
It wasn't the X-men who sent Wolverine. It was Nick Fury.
@@insertswear then replace what I said the X-Men could do with what SHIELD could've done
If you did cure him you'd still need to erase his memory of what happened. Because there is no one who can live with the guilt of killing that many innocent people, especially when your loved ones are added into the mix.
Can they cure him? Yes
Can they cure him before his powers grow and he kills more people? No
@@valletasthis is marvel, surely you can come up with something
The "People irrationally hate mutants" narrative dies here. Because as bad as it is, this guy isn't the worst in terms of collateral damage.
At a certain point, you need to ask the serious and uncomfortable question to whether it's irresponsible to NOT kill off all the mutants. Because one of them might eventually kill all of humanity. Jesus.
At least this kid is very sorry for killing people.
And unfortunately, because of the Celestials diddling with human genes or some rot, more mutants will always be born.
This demonstrates the limits of most peoples morality and imagination. Typhoid Mary was a historical/real person who spread a communicable disease. She was not executed. There are people who intentionally spread aids before the cure who were not executed. The government officials who poisoned flint Michigan's water - which will affect the children, their children's, and grand children's intelligence -were not executed. This kid could be cured by rogue and trauma healed by Xavier, but everyone in the comments is advocating for extra judicial execution. Charles Xavier is the villian here. Not the kid.
Me the entire time: “Damn, that’s dark. Must be one of those one offs.”
*reads Ultimate X-Men at the end*
Me: “Oh.”
The thing is this stuff would never happen in 616 main Marvel Universe the X-Men would literally keep Jay alive and find a solution to his mutation.
Untrue there have been plenty of other issues for meetings Powers prove uncontrollable and kill them before the X-Men can do anything about it. Others have been grotesquely disfigured by the initial uses of the powers and the X-Men in their eternal look brilliance just pack them on the head, declare them unique wonderful snowflakes and then ignore them. Honestly at this point the psychological reaction is so incredibly stupid on the part of the established mutants I can only chalk it up to some form of celestial mind control.
@@alexsolomon7991 Wolverine did the absolute best thing here. He gave the poor lad a mercy kill.
@@virgilio6349 welllllll.......Ultimate Marvel was still a couple of years away from revealing that not only were mutants man-made but that it was completely reversible/curable.... So short of keeping the poor kid in some sort of containment suit and most likely eventually weaponizing him .....because let's face it that's exactly what all factions of the mutants would do eventually, X-Men included(for the greater good of course) yeah, that was probably the most merciful outcome.
@@alexsolomon7991 Even with the cure, you don't come out of murdering everyone you know unwillingly plus 200 more innocent people without any life long baggage. Plus what you said, this kid was a wrong side of bed day from ending it himself. Honestly it was a very realistic portrayal of what rampant mutant powers would really be like.
@@virgilio6349 I mean, won't it stop? They could literally turn off his powers... If they had waited, and not started killing the boy right away. It's pretty easy to shield him from contact with other people.
This is a very realistic and at the same time stupid solution
I adore this story because it instantly destroys the 'racism against mutants' argument instantly. I mean, for crying out loud, Cyclops is the poster boy for uncontrollable power. He got LUCKY with it only being his eyes and that there's a material on Earth that contains his power. He could've EASILY been like this kid.
Not really tbh. Like......I can understand that this kid needed to die because of how uncontrollable his power is even though it's unfair as hell.
But at the same time, what about the mutants who have relatively benign mutation like the ability to change skin color or maybe make plants grow faster.
Those people certainly don't deserve that kind of mistreatment
couldn't they just take his powers away with that so called "cure"✌🤨✌
if I recall there's a comic where it burned through even his eyelids and couldn't be contained
@@immapotato1 I think I also read somewhere that he has some form of brain damage that basically took away his ability to be able to turn it off
There's a storyline in the Ultimate Universe where his entire body gained the ability to absorb sunlight due to a drug called Banshee. He basically became Superman
Dude. I love your videos and hope you get the recognition you deserve! Narration fits the story perfectly and you tell the details without boring the viewer. Keep it up
I recall reading this for the first time and for a moment finding it darkly touching because Wolverine was giving the kid a mercy killing... but then I recalled about what he said on the coverup and Charles sending him there, and realized that it was more or less a hit job.
And here I thought FORGET ME NOT was the most unfortunate mutant ever
Would have been cool if he had the ability to store organic energy. Like he didn’t actually kill them he just siphoned their energy and can figure out later how to restore it. Think teleporting but removal of all organic material and re assembling it somewhere else. Or even a weird version of portaging then possibly through a similar dimension that night crawler and azazel travel through. Maybe magik could have seen a bunch of naked people showing up in her dimension.
Poor Logan. He's suffered more than anyone, and not just because he can heal up real good. This kind of wound, no healing factor can mend.
This is ultimate Logan. A literal sociopath. He did not care/
His terrible ass haircut?
@@AL-lh2ht Now one I'm even sadder...
When Marvel "saw" (thought) no one 'actually' cared about the ultimate line, they just straight up left everything else to rot.
But still, some of these fictional characters deserved better.
The fact the boy even asked if he could have been the X-men was just heartbreaking.
Man whoever wrote this actually knew how to write a good dark story, not just murder porn lmao.
I mean if it was Mark Millar then holy shit.
How about the guy who's superpower was the ability to explode... once? Like, deadly combustion from inside of his body.
Come to think of it, he still could just not do that. The guy in the video is much more unlucky
It's like the morlock Revelations powers. Except hers just caused people to drop dead instantly
Makes you wonder how many other mutants were like this kid and were killed by Wolverine because of it.
While it SHOULD make you wonder how many other mutants like this are walking around densly-populated cities, ticking. And for how many it will not matter where they are because they'll just take out the entire planet in one go...
Kyle Hill's new video: *"This is why you REALLY, SERIOUSLY don't want to be a mutant, EVER!"*
No. "This is why mutants cannot be allowed to exist in their unchecked state, and the entire "mutants as oppressed minority" thing they're trying to push is bullshit of the highest order."
This is just sad on every level
Dark but Wolverine did the right thing: he put him out of his misery
Of course this was written by Brian Bendis
As tragic and sad as this story is, I like the subtle detail that his power affected food items like the bananas but didn't affect the McDonald's, implying that McD's isn't made from "organic tissue". Though ... one question I have about that is, how did he even get McD's? His power wouldn't have let him go to an actual store without killing the on duty staff...
This story is an excellent example of why I *HATED* the "Ultimate" universe and everything to do with it, and didn't have the most positive feelings toward the individuals at Marvel that thought it was ever a good idea as *anything* other than an alternate universe where everything has gone wrong somehow. The "Grimdark Universe" or the "For Want of a Nail Universe," okay. But the "Ultimate" universe? Dafuq is "ultimate" about it?
There's a very similar character in the regular Marvel universe: Hazmat. She's a mutate, not a mutant, but her power is the production of a variety of lethal effects: toxins, radiation, apparently even antimatter particles if she tries really hard. She also couldn't shut her powers off, and Norman Osborn experimented on her to amplify them, so she would kill a normal human in a very short period of time at the lowest level of lethality she could achieve. Hank Pym designed a containment suit that protected everyone around her, she started a relationship with Mettle (a mutate whose power was that he responded to trauma by regrowing the tissue as bio-metal, discovered when he got dinged in the head by his surfboard -- Osborn skinned him alive to fully activate his power) who was immune to anything she could produce.
Difference: writers who wanted to write heroes and have hope and character growth in their comics, versus writers who wanted grimdark body horror, abusive spouses, six-inch Hank Pym climbing into his wife's vagina, and other such depressing, gross, nigh-unreadable stuff.
This story is tragic, but it's avoidable tragedy if it didn't take place in a universe where everything always has to be awful.
At least the ultimate universe gave us Miles, and he is a pretty swell guy we even got the spider verse trilogy thanks to him.
I started reading old school "happy" and heroic comics to escape the grim depressive grip of reality.... I don't want to read shit that reminds me of how bleak the regular human psych is... But here we are anyway. I'm sad and disappointed too.
Amazing video as always
Can you do a video on eye scream the worst xmen villan and my boi stilt man please
I wonder if Mr Fantastic and Invisible Woman covered up Franklin's powers or being a mutant too, I mean, if the X men were scared of a mutant like THIS ruining things for them, then just IMAGINE how the public would react to Franklin's powers and to the fact that he is a mutant... (Yeah I know it's a different universe but still though...)
I pity the boy. His power is like a passive power that has a time on it to activate automatically. He feel bad since he knew that is happening because he was the only one alive. His mutant power could attack automatically without his order so he definitely felt guilt from all of it so he accepted his fate that he has to die for the safety of the humanity. No one teens accept death that they know they had powers. But this guy. Gained my respect that he took that responsibility and accepted death.
What’s funny is that Wolverine kind of didn’t have to kill him. He would’ve starved first since his ability should have destroyed all the food around him too.
living organic matter so food was safe, trees being around made no sense either
Hence the joke about McDonalds being unaffected
That's why he was eating mcdonalds
@@esleddy3710I assume the writers meant living tissue which would explain why trees didn't die but they said organic matter so...
if you have a lame power like this I don’t blame some of them taking a cure
I read up on this years ago and I'm glad I got to see the panels thanks to you. I'm going to subscribe to you
To everyone saying "why didn't they save the kid" or "they could've trained him" or even "give him a place to hide, the collars, something."...
This is a KID. Who unintentionally killed his family, friends, and everyone else who were in range of him for too long. This... Had no "good" ending.
Train/shelter/"save" the kid? Great, you are guaranteeing he lives on in guilt of killing over two hundred and sixty people. Not just men and women, but children too. And not just strangers, some were friends, some were family, one was his girlfriend. All by waking up, and going to school.
In this story, you either have "Train him, shelter him, let him live on in guilt of what he did." Which may as well end with him taking the easy way out without Logans' help. I mean, there isn't a lot of food options he could eat if his power just deleted it. So he might even starve if you shelter him.
And then. There's the "easy way out" ending. Which is the closest thing to a "good" ending for this kid... It sucks because this was a KID it happened to. And I hate it because this was the only way to deal with such a situation without harming more people unintentionally. I hate it, but that's it.
This would make even Bailey Hopkins glad he could only use his exploding power once.
One of my favorite issues of Ultimate X-Men. Glad to see it covered!
can we talk about this kid's clothing for a second idk i just love how detailed it is
I'm also obsessed with redheads, in fact all of my crushes are always like MJ and Jean grey.
Wait, so you can make a visor for Cyborg but can’t make a suite for the kid?
Brah
“Kill all organic matter”
Grass and trees around him:😎😎😎
This was a sad but great comic
Damn, and I thought the kid whose mutant power was a one-time self-destruct had it bad. At least he could live a relatively normal life.
You look exactly like a younger Doc Oc with facial hair, and I love that.
I'd go with the mutant no one can remember once they look away
I'd go with living a normal life
If its the guy I think it is, Xavier kinda does. He created a workaround via telepathy by forcing himself to remember the guy every day.
@@Ghostly_One1 till Xavier dies or has to focus on something bigger or when krakoa fails and he has no other psychic to force others to remember him.
I mean I'm not sure exactly how his powers work, but he'll have no ppl interactions unless it's through a monitor.
This is a pretty good reason for why real life analogies to xmen don't work. Both sides have a point in xmen.
Reminds me of when batman had to... had to... euthanize a kid.
Damn.
Wolverine and Batman are the only ones I'm okay with with having to kill a kid and that's not an okay thing to admit ig
that kid deserved it, he was a murderer
Because if it's Batman or wolverine, you know there are no alternatives. Batman has plans for everything and wolverine has worked with everyone in the know. If they can't find the answer there isn't one.
@@julesmasseffectmusic Lol, no. Superman is smarter than Batman. Martian Manhunter is too.
Batman did what??
I need context bruh you can't just say that and dip
And some people still say the cure was bad.
This is basically Wither turned up to 11, a mutant who has deadly powers who accidentally kills a normal human, in Wither's case it was his own father and it also created a national scandal and a court case where they attempted to try the boy for manslaughter, which caused a big rift for mutant rights. Wolverine was right, this was x100 times worse, there would be no coming back from something like this. If anything, it would have been more of a mercy to have killed the boy quietly and never told him how much death he had caused, making him come to terms with something he had no control over before doing the deed was arguably more cruel. Does make me wonder tho, if this mutant had begged for Wolverine not to kill him, would he still have done it, or did they have a contingency? Did Wolverine only kill the kid because he asked him to?
Somehow I feel like the boy was doomed regardless. Had Wolverine never done the deed then someone/something else eventually would have once word gotten out on how that town combusted out of existence.I believe Wolverine was just sent there as the more merciful harbinger for this kid.
He is like a Polkadot man but more brutal.I hope this character has a power adapter like the prisoners in DP 2, he is useful in X force.
man i like polka dota man hes so powerful he can polkadot like a flamethrower but he died like a hero
Ok teenager Matt Murdock 👁️👁️
Just *one* chromosome to be the X-man. Damn that shit hurts.
- umm what about those inhibitor collars or the damn cure, or any of the reality bender types, or the smart guys who can solve almost any genetic issue.....this was really heartbreaking but seems heartless from Xavier. Full on the registration side, it shows how Xavier just wipes out genocides when inconvenient.
Wait.
Wanting to smash redheads is a mutant power?
Hot dang, that letter from Xavier's will be coming any day then
I wondered if he could ever control it or have some kind of special suit that could contain how powers similar to cyclops
Shame they never really focused on this side of the X-Men. It justifices and explains a lot of things. People are rightfully afraid of mutants, the cure is actually a good thing and call it harmful thinking but even though mutants did a lot good when there's powers like this which cause this much suffering it's really the best for everyone if mutants wouldn't exist and i mean cured not killed of course.
The Cure is a problem if the normies continue to harass ex-mutants.
Bro a walkin Rapturin 💀
Well shit that’s was dark
The racism against mutants argument was one that was always flawed due to being explored from the X-men's perspective, but this story absolutely destroys it.
You have a boy that randomly manifests a radiation power that vaporizes anyone near him. The X-men can't even directly help him control it because it's that dangerous.
One kid had trash luck in the mutant powers lottery and suddenly 265+ people are dead. This is not even considering the potential nightmare of if the kid decided to be a villain.
In the end, the kid got killed by Wolverine because Charles deemed it necessary for the "greater good" of mutants..
Marvel Comics- Mutants aren’t dangerous! People are just afraid of them for no reason!
Also Marvel Comics- (portrays mutants accidentally killing people, accidentally maiming/disfiguring themselves or others, and/or purposely committing terroristic acts against people and property)
The Goat is back !
I'd argue that this isn't the unluckiest mutant. The unluckiest mutant (I forgot his name) is the one that has the power to explode, but it will literally kill him if he decides to use it.
How does he know that he has it then?
@@darryllavalley7073 He got tested by Beast since he didn't know what his powers were at the time
@@zenerstorm95 oh okay
@@zenerstorm95 btw it wasn’t doubt, just curiosity
At least with that power he can simply choose not to use it, very disappointing yes, but you can just choose to live a normal life.
Shit. That's heavy. I feel super, super bad for the kid. He seemed nice. But more important than that; he didn't get to decide. His very existence just suddenly turned nuclear.
There's a reason the whole thing with Spider-Man is "With great power comes great responsibility". It'd be interesting to see a scenario where the boy is told all of this before shit goes down, he believes he can control it, and then it all goes to shit. But that'd be heartbreaking too.
I like happy endings, man. This is messed up D:
Oh so Milo Murphy from milo Murphy's law
my man sometimes i forgot to take out the chicken out of the freezer
Bro got that punisher drip
Kid had minecraft Kill aura powers.
couldn't he just like give him computer and food in the cave? or buy him some house on a island?
Undoing his mutation would be cheaper
@@kingjulian.r5748 who would do that tho
And have the risk of everyone coming close to that cave die?
death is free
he killed his parents, his lover, his friends. hundreds dead. would you be able to live with that grief? would you want to?
Bummer, dude.
Some guys get to be beautiful white haired goddesses of the weather and god tier telepathic kings
And some get turned into gross green sponge monsters
he shouldve taken the beer
God...that was so sad, the poor kid.
Wolverine : Yeah
No one:
The mutant gene: I SAID WE EVIL TODAY
Bad for the good guy, good for the bad guy
They couldve made a suit where it harness the energy and he can shoot it as bursts or release waves. He would be durable for heavy missions. He in an army of hundreds could be unstoppable.
just amazing
"I hope you all like the story"
No that was depressing 😅
That was DAAAARK AF
The boy would die of malnutrition I think. Same results if Wolverine let him be.
i didn't know i was half wolverine
You should do one on The Worst X-Man ever.
Bruh why did you open up with essay example, I’m sitting trying to do a 3 pager from nothing at 11:03
This guy emits some sort of energy which burns everyone to ash. Now that's a menace. He's a living nuke.
Wait Wolverine killed him? Why didn't they teach him how to control his powers instead of killing him? Isnt that the whole purpose of the X-man? Did Charles order Wolverine to kill him? Or did Wolverine do it because the boy asked for it.
I think it was one of those passive powers that are always active
And this is the ultimate universe happiness is opcional and there is only death how bad? You ask read ultimatum that how bad
It wasn't a controlled power. It was always active. Anyone he came into contact with would just be killed instantly.
I mean, we don't know the range of his power. We only know it takes a little while to "happen" so you might be able to train him... It's just... This is a grey solution. If it gets out one kid unintentionally killed over two hundred and sixty people, just by waking up and going to school. I dread to think of how people would react... If I was told that's how many I killed, simply by going to school. I would've preferred this way out... I don't know who could handle that guilt. But I know I can't.
Wait Wolverine killed him? Why didn't they teach him how to control his powers instead of killing him?
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You are implying that such power can be controlled or used for anything except sheer mass destruction.
I remember this one. And there's another mutant that I can recall also blessed with suck powers just like this. A bad roll of dice.
His power was basically being a Human Bomb. Only except... He can't blow himself up and build himself back again. Should he blow up, that's it. He found out that he does have a power inside to explode but it's only a one use only. Which.... Really... Sucks.
He just ends up saying "you too" to a waiter and instantly detonating
I'd save it for if the Scrolls try to get me.
Imagine his Power is a Literal Tsar Bomb lmao.
Now that was just an unnecessary mercy kill
Sad Halloween 🎃🎃
Dame the end was dark