During Shawn's tantrum you can see Vader mouth "I'm sorry" as he gets his head stomped, and it broke my heart. Leon was apparently a really sweet guy in real life, he deserved better.
@@PlayStopRewindFilms Yeah, Vader wasn't exactly a saint by any means. I have no idea why so many revisionists claim that Vader was hurt by Hogan and Michaels, when anyone watching at the time could easily point the finger at something else. Too many people read Death of WCW and take it as the gospel truth. Michaels was indeed pissed during their match and reacted. But to treat this as something that is exclusive to Shawn is ridiculous when Vader himself threw a fit when Shamrock was being reckless with some kicks and suckerpunched Shamrock. Wait...did I say reckless? I meant "snug". You know that word people use about Vader while claiming that Shawn was being a primadonna about not wanting to lose an ear like Foley. God forbid that Vader..ya know lighten up. I guess working "snug" is the reputation of Vaderbombing dozens of people in a way that injures their backs or causes them to go unconscious on impact. What a pussy Shawn is! As far as Vader not getting a bigger push or the plan changing following SummerSlam, one thing that wasn't noted was quite honestly that Vader wasn't over the way he should have been. Honestly Camp Cornette was pretty bland despite the talent involved. I genuinely don't see what the problem was with the switch to Sid. Shawn wasn't cutting it as champ, Vader wasn't seen as major, but you had Sid getting these insane reactions. Seems like the right move to me.
There is an interview with Vader where explains the Kuwait situation. He claims the shows producers came to them and asked them to do that. They gave them a list of questions. The last one being "Is wrestling fake?". At which point they wanted them to react to the host. The catch being that nobody from the show told the host that his was going to happen. So what you were getting was his genuine reaction. Afterwards the host went a filed charges against Vader. Vader explained between the cops and show producers that it was staged and the let Vader out of jail but due to it being a holiday the paperwork couldn't get processed until after the holiday. Vader ended up staying in a really nice resort with all of his stuff getting paid for by the Kuwaitis.
@@CalvinTennessee Search for video titled "Vader - When I Threatened Kuwait TV Host on WWF Tour & Got Arrested" on the Title Match Wrestling RUclips channel. Do a little research before calling someone a liar, buddy.
His run there may have been disappointing but at least he redeemed himself in Noah afterwards. His matches with Misawa & Kobashi are definitely worth tracking down.
Mostly All Japan just before the NOAH exodus, but yes. Vader was booked as the foreign monster heel that could only be taken out by the great Misawa. Those matches are prototypical AJPW: Stiff, dramatic, fantastic.
I laughed so hard when WWE announced that "mask vs mask" match. My friends all looked at each other, and one of us finally spoke up, "sooo...Vader is going to lose that one, right?". Lol
I meet Vader at New Jacks retirement, he was one of the sweetest individuals I’ve ever meet, he was literally a giant teddy bear. He was a victim of Vince hates WCW booking, look at Dusty Rhodes, The Big Show, the list goes on, and on. So sad for fans that only know him from WWE. The Stan Hansen vs Vader match you mentioned from New Japan is a must see, his best match might of been with the Great Muta in New Japan.
@@ryanwebb5082 I think they're referring to the first several years pf Show. He didn't get popular with WWE booking to the point of titles until late 2000s etc etc
I've always heard Vader was told by a producer to act like that, but didn't want the host to know to make it look more real. Then the producer denied it to keep his own job after the cops were called. That's why undertaker never flinched
Perhaps but Vader would have been smarter to not go along with it, Far too many things could go wrong leading to the host being badly injured. And attacking a non-wrestler whose not trained to take hits safely can never be a good idea IMO.
It seems like almost every career has a decline when they run into Hulk Hogan brother! You either do the job now or ya do the job later, but remember brother ya gonna do the job brother!
@@smittywerbenjagermanjensen4737 He DID say ALMOST every career. Rock was okay, and Shawn recovered. It took Bret almost a year to start recovering his career after what Hogan pulled at WM9.
But by 97 Shawn wasn't bending over the right way anymore. But in seriousness, Shawn was far too talented to get rid of and the only guy at the time aside form Bret Hart that was worthy of being the top guy plus there was WCW breathing down WWF's neck. That's why Vince was so lenient with him.
It's amazing how many people who have zero connection to any of this still believe this insane "Vince and Shawn were fuck buddies" silliness. Nobody has ever suggested that either of them were gay, but it's 2020, so why let facts get in the way of people's conspiracy fantasies 😂
Vader was used the same way every monster heel is used in WWE: A constant threat for maineventers but never a real maineventer himself. He went the same way like Yokozuna, Kane, Umaga or recently Samoa Joe. They were attractions for themselves and never needed big titles to be remembered. Could be worse. Dungeon of Doom and jobbing for Hogan for example.
Ya Boy Guzma 🤣 I know it’s a chance that’s actually how life works but could you imagine for a sec that one night time just totally freezes for a sec then all the problems are gone? 🤣
Agreed, but part of it is Vader's fault, I heard he was a very stiff worker and guys like HBK at the time didn't want anything to do with that style so he never worked in the main event save for SS 1996 and that was it, he'd been sliding ever since then.
@Se Se I don't know if he tried to correct it, I don't remember hearing that any where, your sources? I agree with everything you said about Michaels, I don't know if Shawn had him "wrapped around his finger" at the time but he certainly was in Vince's ear at the time. Shawn was the champion and Vince catered to him because of that, remember business was down when Shawn was Champion and at the time Shawn could always play the WCW card, and he did at one point or he tried to. I heard that Vince talked him out of it. Any way I'm sure he got special treatment being Vince's Champion and main draw at the time. I think it was deserved no? Vader was a newcomer in the WWF and as I said Shawn had busted his ass to get to where he was at. Yeah I heard from Bret that Vader was a big teddy bear on the inside and you could hurt his feelings easily. I wonder if he deserves sympathy, there is the Kuwait incident which he (Leon) claims was a work, and Vader was a pro by the time he came to the WWE, so you think he'd have learned full well how to work and he shouldn't have had to "correct" anything, I don't expect perfection but he should have known how to work to the point where he wasn't hurting or injuring anyone or being "stiff", something Bret, prided himself on.
Fun fact! My first ever WWE event was the night before taboo Tuesday 2005 haha, I got to see Vader trip up close and personal being in the front row. Best night of my childhood
Vader was an amazing heel. His career in the WWF once and for all proved that Vince and company were not in fact geniuses, Vader had so much potential and quality. WWF dropped the ball big time.
Vader was a victim of HBK and VKM in my eyes. Vince didn't like he wouldn't rename himself to Mastodon because Vince's moto was We don't hire Superstars, we Create them. Also HBK was HBK.. his politicking selfish self at the max at that point. What really pisses me off about this is as much of a Sham the WWE Hall of Fame is, Vince refuses to put Vader in it even after learning Vader was more or less going to die in a few years even despite Mick Foley pushing for it. Ohhh but he allowed Vader to induct Stan Hansen.
I think it's a good thing he's not in the WWE hall of fame because that shit is a pathetic joke, much like how the WWE cares about it's family, as seen in this recent disaster
@Mean Bob There are a lot of people who deserve to be there if they consider it an honor. However due to VKM being VKM they never will be or not till after they die which makes you wonder about Vince's ability to forgive, more so when things were his fault.. like all the wrestlers involved in the Concussion Law suit Vs WWE. Demolition and One Man Gang come to mind. You know OMG lost his house to a massive hurricane sometime back and not a peep from WWE about it? Someone mentioned it on Squared circle on Reddit and his family started a donation site for it.. the good news is They raised enough money to deal with the problem.. but it still pisses me off WWE didn't step up to help him.
@@PapaBear816 lmao…Why should Vince McMahon and the WWE help out OMG when he lost his home? Just because he USE to work for them? That’s not how it works, they paid him very well while he actually did work for them and they DON’T own OMG or any other past wrestlers a dime. Sounds harsh I know, but the WWE is NOT a charity, they’re a FOR PROFIT company. I use to work for Walmart, if I lost my home, I doubt they would help me, even though they’re a company that makes billions and I’ve worked for them for years, but I don’t work for them now, so they ain’t going to help. So again why should WWE be expected to help? Sorry mark, that’s not how the world works. Would it have been nice of them to help? Of course, but in no way are they obligated to do so, sorry to play “Devil’s advocate,” but sometimes that’s the role you play when you can perfectly understand the world isn’t nice.
@@Musiclover19 Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to Conservative thinking Fort Width. A man who gave like the Gang did to WWE, and why should the multi billion dollar company he gave heart and soul to, Help him with 30k to get his house fixed. Yea, Such a kind soul you are. Keeping in mind WWE has done more for other superstars in the name of being " Good " You see that road over there, it leads to Fuck off Ville, can you go all the way down there and fuck all the way off? Thanks :)
One of my all time favorites. Total freak of nature. He gave hope to fat kids everywhere. I remember being proud when my JV football teammates called me Vader when assigning wrestler identities to guys on our team. Shame he didn't work out in WWF/E.
Back in the Day when i started the wrestling training, my coaches said: "When you want to work Big Man Style, watch everything what Vader has done." In my opinion he was one of the Best Big Man who ever worked in the squared circle, but his WWF run was just a big disappointment. Rest in Peace
These videos are definitely my favourite of yours, Brian. I love learning about these wrestlers that I've only ever heard of and have never really seen. Thanks.
One of the best parts of my week is coming home from work on Wednesday and sitting back to watch the new Brian Zane video while I unwind. Thanks for what you do man!
Nah, man, the Mask Match still makes sense. You said it yourself, a masked wrestler's mask is a big deal - it is a major part of the identity, and losing it is a big blow to the Character. Even if we could already see most of Vader's face, his willingness to put the mask on the line still means something. In addition, this is a type of match that only Vader and Kane could have, and his reaction after the loss feels real - like a man that bet everything and then LOST everything. Although, I'll agree, they should have made him use a different Mask afterwards.
He was a Hall of Famer before he ever stepped foot in WWF. And he did have some great moments: attacking Monsoon, Final Four, shooting against the Kuwait reporter (which I thought was awesome).
He tried working with pneumonia?? I’ve had pneumonia and I was incapacitated for 10 days and in hospital for 7 of those days on oxygen!! Sometimes you just have to say no and do what’s best for your health.
My mind is officially blown.. hearing Paul orndoff had one good arm is insane since I once had found an Paul orndoff rubber wrestler figure missing an arm!
The amazing thing was the second he left WWF, he was putting on 4+ star classics in AJPW with Kobashi/Kawada/Misawa/Akiyama, and he had a great match with Inoki too in 99-00 area
Real Josh AJ has alot of juice in the tank and WWE gives him stuff to do. Even though he made his name in Japan, the Independent Circuit and Impact, Styles gets top star treatment every week and Vince admits he’s fantastic even for a guy who’s 5’10
Underrated Vader moment was when he Started fighting kane during Kanes inferno match with the Undertaker. That Undertaker top rope leap over the ropes and fire and landing on Kane and Vader is still one a my favorite spots.
Yay!!! I’ve been waiting for this one!! Hopefully he’s able to do: Legion of Doom 2000 Chavo Guerrero (2005 until his WWE departure) Mr. Kennedy WWF in 1995 Top 8 worst guest hosts The mishandling of JR Sin Cara The Rise and Fall of Rusev Shinsuke Nakamura
Holy shit finally a long form video. I honestly only watch this and classical ppv reviews. I could care less about current wrestling. Thank you, your comedy has been missed.
Im so used to watching a wwe/aew show then going straight to Brian Zane to get his take on things an feel lost this week with no raw review. Keep up the great work.
@@RoyStantz yeah I think that if it wasn't because he teamed up with Road dogg or Chuck palumbo he would had been released after parting ways from Bart Gunn
Yeah, I've heard Cornette and Ross talk about how he wouldn't wash his tights. There's a funny story out there about how his wife gave him shit over it, too.
NBR. It’s not new at all. It’s been very well documented by other wrestlers that he had poor hygiene. Bam Bam Bigelow is often accused of it as well. His mask was infamously smelly as well.
I watched an old interview with him and he said guys complained about his style. The two guys he hinted at were Taker and Shawn Michaels. I’m curious who it was .
As a guy from Bremen, My older brother told me all about the stories of Vaders (at that time called Bull Power) time in Otto Wanz's CWA. He together with Fit Finlay and Jushin Thunder Liger would walk the streets constantly and sign autographs to anyone who asks. Bremen was kinda like the New York of Germany in the 80s and early 90s, as there was no bigger crowd for Wrestling in this country and we could also be considered a bit smarky. Too bad everything went to shit by the late 90s. But in any case, Vader will always be my favorite big man of all time.
I think I've mentioned before that Vader squashing Monsoon is still a moment that makes me feel genuine revulsion. Because I loved Vader, but I also loved Monsoon, and that moment was not just shocking, but it's also the last we saw of Monsoon on screen before his death. But it was also a fantastic moment for Vader himself, because it was the one time where the company really took the cuffs off of him and let him be just the straight up monster he was meant to be. I honestly think the company's style in '96 really hampered him. Vader, in WWE, would have worked better in the Attitude Era, where he could have violent bloody brawls that were also paced out enough to let him do the athletic shit he could do. He could powerbomb people into thumbtacks, Vader Bomb them, then hit a moonsault on them just for the fun of it. 1996 WWE was still playing by PG rules though. And Vader just wasn't a PG wrestler. Dude got big in Japan during a time where everyone there wrestled stiff as fuck. That's what Vader did best, because that's how he was taught to wrestle. Finesse the showy moves, but otherwise just beat the hell out of your opponent. Sadly, the Attitude Era is the time they decided to just give up on him. Debuted for them too early, and by the time the right era arrived for him, they'd squandered him.
I hate Shawn so bad it makes my blood boil, espically knowing how he acted in the 96 match with Vader. What a complete baby. Vader should of got up and blasted him.! What makes it worse is how people talk about Shawn being the greatest of all time. Yeah, greatest baby of all time. He messed with so many peoples spots back then, by crying and wingeing to Vince. He should be ashamed of himself. But its okay cuz HBK found God we should all forgive him..... NOT I hate you Shawn....!!!!!!!!!
Just like Michael Jorden or Floyd Mayweather. Assholes people but you got to respect that they were the best in that sport. I hate early Shawn as a person too. The Kilq burns my blood too. What's even more crappy is as a kid I loved Shawn and Deisel. Only to find out they were the two biggest assholes back then. My heart hurts for guys like Vader and anyone Hogan screwed over.
@@bOObies2 i agree but, Jordan and Mayweather never cost people there jobs, thats the difference. These wrestlers had famlies to feed. But aslong Shawn was okay who cares. He was and still is a JERK, and will never have my RESPECT..!
SamBo And look who's also crying? Don't blame it all on Michaels, Vince is the one you should be blaming and there were others like Hogan who was far worse than him. Atleast Michaels put over people in later years, something Hogan would never be proud to do
@@wrestlingwithart And was on a house show. WCW DID ban at least parts of a Worldwide match though in that same year (1994), for it being too violent for TV. Perhaps you may be thinking of that.
That issue was entirely WCW's fault. Because they forgot something even local indies know: You need a ring crew. You can't just hire randoms with no experience to set up your ring and expect things to go right.
That makes zero sense...if they wanted to reference it, they could have created a massive angle out of it. When in wrestling could you have found a feud where one guy legitimately deformed another guy, who could then get revenge? That's pure gold.
ALL MY WRESTLER RETROSPECTIVES!
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The new editing/editor is so dope, definitely breathing life into this new season
Well the old editing was nothing more than basic cuts
@@chabbab6698 Fair enough 😅, but a little flair goes a long way
Thanks, I agree!
@@ghostiegoogoo Is it better than Wondershare? That's what I use to make videos.
I kinda miss Windows Movie Maker. :(
@@WrestlingWithWregret YEAH Dude! You need to keep this style! It's perfect..
During Shawn's tantrum you can see Vader mouth "I'm sorry" as he gets his head stomped, and it broke my heart. Leon was apparently a really sweet guy in real life, he deserved better.
Can't say i can say the same. He often made bookings to independent wrestling promotions and made them pay for it in advance and no showed.
Where are you getting that false info. He was am asshole who kept injuring everyone with his reckless style
He purposely tried to hurt enhancement talent sweet guy my ass
Orlando Perez Steiners as well but are you bitching about that?
@@PlayStopRewindFilms
Yeah, Vader wasn't exactly a saint by any means. I have no idea why so many revisionists claim that Vader was hurt by Hogan and Michaels, when anyone watching at the time could easily point the finger at something else. Too many people read Death of WCW and take it as the gospel truth.
Michaels was indeed pissed during their match and reacted. But to treat this as something that is exclusive to Shawn is ridiculous when Vader himself threw a fit when Shamrock was being reckless with some kicks and suckerpunched Shamrock.
Wait...did I say reckless? I meant "snug". You know that word people use about Vader while claiming that Shawn was being a primadonna about not wanting to lose an ear like Foley. God forbid that Vader..ya know lighten up. I guess working "snug" is the reputation of Vaderbombing dozens of people in a way that injures their backs or causes them to go unconscious on impact. What a pussy Shawn is!
As far as Vader not getting a bigger push or the plan changing following SummerSlam, one thing that wasn't noted was quite honestly that Vader wasn't over the way he should have been. Honestly Camp Cornette was pretty bland despite the talent involved. I genuinely don't see what the problem was with the switch to Sid. Shawn wasn't cutting it as champ, Vader wasn't seen as major, but you had Sid getting these insane reactions. Seems like the right move to me.
There is an interview with Vader where explains the Kuwait situation. He claims the shows producers came to them and asked them to do that. They gave them a list of questions. The last one being "Is wrestling fake?". At which point they wanted them to react to the host. The catch being that nobody from the show told the host that his was going to happen. So what you were getting was his genuine reaction. Afterwards the host went a filed charges against Vader. Vader explained between the cops and show producers that it was staged and the let Vader out of jail but due to it being a holiday the paperwork couldn't get processed until after the holiday. Vader ended up staying in a really nice resort with all of his stuff getting paid for by the Kuwaitis.
Huh the more you know i guess
Well at least he got a decent vacation out of it
If that's true it just makes his public dressing down even worse because he didn't actually do anything wrong
This is not true. You completely made this up.
@@CalvinTennessee Search for video titled "Vader - When I Threatened Kuwait TV Host on WWF Tour & Got Arrested" on the Title Match Wrestling RUclips channel.
Do a little research before calling someone a liar, buddy.
His run there may have been disappointing but at least he redeemed himself in Noah afterwards.
His matches with Misawa & Kobashi are definitely worth tracking down.
Mostly All Japan just before the NOAH exodus, but yes. Vader was booked as the foreign monster heel that could only be taken out by the great Misawa.
Those matches are prototypical AJPW: Stiff, dramatic, fantastic.
The lesson to take here seems to be to avoid wrestling for Vince if you became famous somewhere else
Ryan Parreno AJ Styles debuted at the Royal Rumble in 2016 and he’s doing good stuff since
Danny Blxck2 one of very few.
Danny Blxck2 Because AJ is too good to be held down. It didn’t look good early on,remember they kept comparing him to a pitbull cause he was short.
Glad he got honored in the Hall Of Fame this year. He deserves to be praised.
I laughed so hard when WWE announced that "mask vs mask" match. My friends all looked at each other, and one of us finally spoke up, "sooo...Vader is going to lose that one, right?". Lol
That had to be the most predictable match ever besides any Hulk Hogan match
Lmaooo
Raise your hand if you've ever been personally victimized by The Kliq *Everyone in the Mid 90's WWF raises their hand*
*Shane Douglas raises both hands*
PCO, Bam Bam Bigelow, Mo, Chris Candido, Bryan Clark, Bob Holly, Barry Horitiz
That's why BSK was made. They were the anti kliq kliq
Enter the Undertaker and his *taped fists.*
@@1992geop don't forget Jean-Pierre Lafitte
The Chappelle reference was next level. This whole video was incredible!
WU-TANG!
*scrappy dog barking noises* 😂
I meet Vader at New Jacks retirement, he was one of the sweetest individuals I’ve ever meet, he was literally a giant teddy bear. He was a victim of Vince hates WCW booking, look at Dusty Rhodes, The Big Show, the list goes on, and on. So sad for fans that only know him from WWE. The Stan Hansen vs Vader match you mentioned from New Japan is a must see, his best match might of been with the Great Muta in New Japan.
His feuds with Sting are legendary, top 10 feud of all time.
@@ryanwebb5082 I think they're referring to the first several years pf Show. He didn't get popular with WWE booking to the point of titles until late 2000s etc etc
Vader's lackluster run in WWE had nothing to do with WCW. Steve Austin also came over from WCW at around the same time and look how he turned out
Fun fact: Vader was born in the same neighborhood as Weird Al Yankovic.
"Who kicks someone's ass wearing flip-flops?"
Chael Sonnen: *I can't let you get get close!!!*
Mr wonderful paul freaking orndoaurf
I've always heard Vader was told by a producer to act like that, but didn't want the host to know to make it look more real. Then the producer denied it to keep his own job after the cops were called. That's why undertaker never flinched
Perhaps but Vader would have been smarter to not go along with it, Far too many things could go wrong leading to the host being badly injured. And attacking a non-wrestler whose not trained to take hits safely can never be a good idea IMO.
It seems like almost every career has a decline when they run into Hulk Hogan brother! You either do the job now or ya do the job later, but remember brother ya gonna do the job brother!
Flow_ Easy the rock was okay after
And when that bell rings brother ohhhhhhh brother!!!
@@smittywerbenjagermanjensen4737 He DID say ALMOST every career. Rock was okay, and Shawn recovered. It took Bret almost a year to start recovering his career after what Hogan pulled at WM9.
Brock lesnar did just fine
Did Hogan get his win back from Angle after he made him tap at KOTR 2002?
Can't remember if he did.
I believe Vince macmahon was in love with Shawn Micheals in the mid 90's. He would do anything to make Micheals "keep his smile"
I really think they had a sexual relationship going on.. Shawn did what he wanted to do when he felt like it without no consequences..
They were definitely “in a relationship” so many people have come out to speak about it.
I heard that about Hogan,Austin,and Cena
But by 97 Shawn wasn't bending over the right way anymore. But in seriousness, Shawn was far too talented to get rid of and the only guy at the time aside form Bret Hart that was worthy of being the top guy plus there was WCW breathing down WWF's neck. That's why Vince was so lenient with him.
It's amazing how many people who have zero connection to any of this still believe this insane "Vince and Shawn were fuck buddies" silliness. Nobody has ever suggested that either of them were gay, but it's 2020, so why let facts get in the way of people's conspiracy fantasies 😂
Before I watch.. something something Shawn Michaels something something politics?
Thats every story of misused talent during 1997
You aren't wrong lol
It's true! Shawn will tell you himself in so many words..
Harieth Velasco also he was too THICC
Vader was a big baby from what I heard.He could dish it out but couldn’t take it
It's a shame that WWE didn't put Vader in the HOF when he was alive so he could enjoy it. It made no sense.
So is our president... Such a joke
@@vastexpanse8606 yeah Biden is a complete Tool.
It's all politics, brother.
Vader was used the same way every monster heel is used in WWE: A constant threat for maineventers but never a real maineventer himself. He went the same way like Yokozuna, Kane, Umaga or recently Samoa Joe. They were attractions for themselves and never needed big titles to be remembered. Could be worse.
Dungeon of Doom and jobbing for Hogan for example.
Nothing could of been worse than what I just watched
It's Time
It's Time
It's Vader time on Wrestling with Wregret
When I was a kid I thought Vader was really scary and then I saw Kane beat him up and then Kane replaced him as the scariest wrestler
Such a heartfelt story lol. Thank you for giving me a good laugh 😎
Vader was done for good in WWF once Kane hit the scene.
@@MrM-u3h What a tag team those two would have made. Two masked giants, both agile.
Love the "when keeping it real goes wrong" spot
The comically huge wrench was the same one Kurt Angle would later use on the Undertaker at Fully Loaded 2000.
God, I hope that "we're in August already" joke ages badly. Please, please, please!
Can we just get to 2021 already
@@jonmarrie8093 Can we get to 2030 already.
Can whoever made the simulation take out the cartridge and blow into it? Please?!
Ya Boy Guzma 🤣 I know it’s a chance that’s actually how life works but could you imagine for a sec that one night time just totally freezes for a sec then all the problems are gone? 🤣
TakerKaneanite619 No thanks! I ain’t trying to be 42 yet.
Wwf completely misused Vader. He was a made star. Atleast he had a great match against Taker.
did you even watch the video?
It was a mix of himself and Shawn. This, just like Kennedy, was one of the times Vince WANTED to push the guy, but things got in the way.
Should have just gone back to NJPW after WCW at least he knew they would use him properly.
Agreed, but part of it is Vader's fault, I heard he was a very stiff worker and guys like HBK at the time didn't want anything to do with that style so he never worked in the main event save for SS 1996 and that was it, he'd been sliding ever since then.
@Se Se I don't know if he tried to correct it, I don't remember hearing that any where, your sources? I agree with everything you said about Michaels, I don't know if Shawn had him "wrapped around his finger" at the time but he certainly was in Vince's ear at the time. Shawn was the champion and Vince catered to him because of that, remember business was down when Shawn was Champion and at the time Shawn could always play the WCW card, and he did at one point or he tried to. I heard that Vince talked him out of it. Any way I'm sure he got special treatment being Vince's Champion and main draw at the time.
I think it was deserved no? Vader was a newcomer in the WWF and as I said Shawn had busted his ass to get to where he was at.
Yeah I heard from Bret that Vader was a big teddy bear on the inside and you could hurt his feelings easily. I wonder if he deserves sympathy, there is the Kuwait incident which he (Leon) claims was a work, and Vader was a pro by the time he came to the WWE, so you think he'd have learned full well how to work and he shouldn't have had to "correct" anything, I don't expect perfection but he should have known how to work to the point where he wasn't hurting or injuring anyone or being "stiff", something Bret, prided himself on.
Eventually, Zane's hair and beard will take over this channel.
The invasion we wanted
He looks cool with it.
The quarantine beard is a look.
Sadly as of November its gone
Apparently the name “Baby Bull” caught on because that’s the name of a character in the MDickie games
Love the MDickie games. The parody names are great
TheMehgend love it
Yeah I remember. Baby Bull is a wrestler on Federation Online....... I never realised the name was actually used by Vader
Braden S they suck
@@LS-kk3yu welcome to the incorrect opinion saloon. Do you have any other opinions you would like to share with the guys?
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This is the song written for the angle.
This is the match: Leon and Rod.
THEY TRIED TO MOVE HIM WITH A FORKLIFT!
Who beats people up while wearing flip-flops? Ask the undefeated Chael Sonnen.
*I CANT LET YOU GET CLOSE*
"Wu-Tang!"
Legit spit-take from me. Kudos
Whoa, beard. I must have been away from this channel for a while.
Fun fact! My first ever WWE event was the night before taboo Tuesday 2005 haha, I got to see Vader trip up close and personal being in the front row. Best night of my childhood
Vader was an amazing heel. His career in the WWF once and for all proved that Vince and company were not in fact geniuses, Vader had so much potential and quality. WWF dropped the ball big time.
No matter what WWE say about virtually everyone, Vader was a guy whose agility and speed was terrifying for his size.
MB Guttersnipe They had a match in 1989 for the IWGP Title. With Antonio Inoki as the special referee. :P
I love Brian’s beard progression during the pandemic. in a few weeks you can try out for ZZ Top
Shawn Michaels. The answer is Shawn Michaels.
Brain Zane is my favorite professional wrestling RUclipsr ! !
WWF squandered Vader, but as did Eric Bischoff. Vader's badass days were b4 Easy Es run as boss
THE WRESTLER REVIEW WHEN
Sorry I’m being impatient, I am glad Vader is getting his due on this channel
I've heard Yokozuna was put on a forklift because they couldn't get him on a stretcher, not to mock him.
Cue mst3k song
I’m pretty sure he hit 550 lbs before he left the wwe and then hit 600 lbs at the match with jake roberts
Then y do the angle....y not injure an arm or some other body part....nah...they did that on purpose to embarrass him into losing the weight
@@Madeyoulook123 Yoko was over 650 lbs when he left wwf. At the time of the match with Jake he was over 700 lbs
Yoko wasn’t actually hurt. So obviously it was to mock him.
Vader was a victim of HBK and VKM in my eyes. Vince didn't like he wouldn't rename himself to Mastodon because Vince's moto was We don't hire Superstars, we Create them. Also HBK was HBK.. his politicking selfish self at the max at that point. What really pisses me off about this is as much of a Sham the WWE Hall of Fame is, Vince refuses to put Vader in it even after learning Vader was more or less going to die in a few years even despite Mick Foley pushing for it. Ohhh but he allowed Vader to induct Stan Hansen.
I think it's a good thing he's not in the WWE hall of fame because that shit is a pathetic joke, much like how the WWE cares about it's family, as seen in this recent disaster
Damn that Voodoo Kin Mafia.
@Mean Bob There are a lot of people who deserve to be there if they consider it an honor. However due to VKM being VKM they never will be or not till after they die which makes you wonder about Vince's ability to forgive, more so when things were his fault.. like all the wrestlers involved in the Concussion Law suit Vs WWE.
Demolition and One Man Gang come to mind. You know OMG lost his house to a massive hurricane sometime back and not a peep from WWE about it? Someone mentioned it on Squared circle on Reddit and his family started a donation site for it.. the good news is They raised enough money to deal with the problem.. but it still pisses me off WWE didn't step up to help him.
@@PapaBear816 lmao…Why should Vince McMahon and the WWE help out OMG when he lost his home? Just because he USE to work for them? That’s not how it works, they paid him very well while he actually did work for them and they DON’T own OMG or any other past wrestlers a dime. Sounds harsh I know, but the WWE is NOT a charity, they’re a FOR PROFIT company. I use to work for Walmart, if I lost my home, I doubt they would help me, even though they’re a company that makes billions and I’ve worked for them for years, but I don’t work for them now, so they ain’t going to help. So again why should WWE be expected to help? Sorry mark, that’s not how the world works. Would it have been nice of them to help? Of course, but in no way are they obligated to do so, sorry to play “Devil’s advocate,” but sometimes that’s the role you play when you can perfectly understand the world isn’t nice.
@@Musiclover19 Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to Conservative thinking Fort Width. A man who gave like the Gang did to WWE, and why should the multi billion dollar company he gave heart and soul to, Help him with 30k to get his house fixed. Yea, Such a kind soul you are. Keeping in mind WWE has done more for other superstars in the name of being " Good " You see that road over there, it leads to Fuck off Ville, can you go all the way down there and fuck all the way off? Thanks :)
One of my all time favorites. Total freak of nature. He gave hope to fat kids everywhere. I remember being proud when my JV football teammates called me Vader when assigning wrestler identities to guys on our team. Shame he didn't work out in WWF/E.
Back in the Day when i started the wrestling training, my coaches said: "When you want to work Big Man Style, watch everything what Vader has done." In my opinion he was one of the Best Big Man who ever worked in the squared circle, but his WWF run was just a big disappointment.
Rest in Peace
Don't forget Bam Bam Bigelow, one of the best SuperHeavy wrestler and very underrated.
Yeah, Bam Bam was great, but Vaders Matches with Foley and Hansen were something else
Dont forget about Keith Lee hes a beast whos a Super Heavyweight that moves like a man half his size
These videos are definitely my favourite of yours, Brian. I love learning about these wrestlers that I've only ever heard of and have never really seen. Thanks.
The starting joke is even funnier now that it's actually August
I appreciate your steady presence these days, Z-Man
Charlie Griner very much so, getting the RUclips notification puts a smile on my face
One of the best parts of my week is coming home from work on Wednesday and sitting back to watch the new Brian Zane video while I unwind. Thanks for what you do man!
Favorite part of the Summer Slam match is when Shawn forgets to kick out and the ref stops the count at 2 while Shawn fixes his hair
"Who kicks someone's ass while wearing flip flops?" Chael P Sonnen has entered the chat!
What happened to Vader in WWF. You thank Shawn Michaels for that
Nothing better then finding an episode you havnt seen yet during the break!
It’s so weird seeing Undertaker with a headband BEFORE his biker gimmick, or even the Attitude Era
RIP to Danny Havoc. When I used to watch Deathmatch wrestling he was one of my favorites. Vader is the best big man to ever lace up the boots.
I don't know. Bam Bam Bigelow was pretty close
Nah, man, the Mask Match still makes sense. You said it yourself, a masked wrestler's mask is a big deal - it is a major part of the identity, and losing it is a big blow to the Character.
Even if we could already see most of Vader's face, his willingness to put the mask on the line still means something. In addition, this is a type of match that only Vader and Kane could have, and his reaction after the loss feels real - like a man that bet everything and then LOST everything.
Although, I'll agree, they should have made him use a different Mask afterwards.
He was a Hall of Famer before he ever stepped foot in WWF. And he did have some great moments: attacking Monsoon, Final Four, shooting against the Kuwait reporter (which I thought was awesome).
I havent watched any of your new vids in a while.
You went from Padawan Kenobi to Master Kenobi with the beard lol
He tried working with pneumonia?? I’ve had pneumonia and I was incapacitated for 10 days and in hospital for 7 of those days on oxygen!! Sometimes you just have to say no and do what’s best for your health.
They should have made Kane v Vader a Mask Versuse Helmet match. Imagine Kane walking out in the Vader helmet for the rest of his career
That intro made me feel like I was watching America's most wanted 🤣🤣
Honestly as a long term fan of your content this is some of your top tier work
Thank you for the Saban reference. Instant smile
My mind is officially blown.. hearing Paul orndoff had one good arm is insane since I once had found an Paul orndoff rubber wrestler figure missing an arm!
16:46 IT’S BEARER TIME!
The amazing thing was the second he left WWF, he was putting on 4+ star classics in AJPW with Kobashi/Kawada/Misawa/Akiyama, and he had a great match with Inoki too in 99-00 area
2:16 this man is the inspiration for Joey Wheeler's "creepy chin" in Yugi-Oh.
3:45 that flipflop story awesome
U mean to tell me WWE ruined a big star that was made in an another promotion. 😲😲
How shocking, this can't be true
AJ Styles says hi
Thomas Agar is that a shock
Being a star in ring of honor or TNA means nothing. Hell being a star in New Japan means nothing.
Real Josh AJ has alot of juice in the tank and WWE gives him stuff to do. Even though he made his name in Japan, the Independent Circuit and Impact, Styles gets top star treatment every week and Vince admits he’s fantastic even for a guy who’s 5’10
Underrated Vader moment was when he Started fighting kane during Kanes inferno match with the Undertaker. That Undertaker top rope leap over the ropes and fire and landing on Kane and Vader is still one a my favorite spots.
Shawn was Vince’s personal “boy toy” which is why he was able to get away with so much shit backstage.
Please stop projecting your silly sexual fantasies onto people you don't like 😂
Oh it's true, it's damn true.
Why would Vince show favouritism to a cash cow over an older and at the time out of shape wrestler?
Always cracks me up how chill Taker is when Vader grabs the reporter.
12:27 omg its the American Badass’ true Debut
Thats just Mark Calloway in general
But I appreciate the joke
He’s cool as can be.
6:30 "on the nose", probably the right expression talking about 1999 Jake Roberts.
16:06-16:15; 18:15-18:18
*LOL* / *Another rare f bomb by Brian Zane*
The beard is slowing taking over....
It's been so long since you've done one of these. Thanks Brian!
Stan Hansen: *exists*
Vader's eye: IGHT IMMA HEAD OUT
Vader: No you ain't.
@@napalmblaziken Vader's eye socket was all like *_schloop_*
@@ivanvukasovic1371 LOL
"I'm so BIIIGGG!" That cracked me up. Thanks for the laughs in these difficult times BZ
I really appreciate the fact you called cactus Jack Mr Bang Bang because that's what he was better known as 😉
Yay!!! I’ve been waiting for this one!!
Hopefully he’s able to do:
Legion of Doom 2000
Chavo Guerrero (2005 until his WWE departure)
Mr. Kennedy
WWF in 1995
Top 8 worst guest hosts
The mishandling of JR
Sin Cara
The Rise and Fall of Rusev
Shinsuke Nakamura
Shawn Michaels’s Diva Days
Shane Hill yes!!!! Or Backstage politics: Kliq vs Hulk Hogan?
Mr. America?
And CHRISTIAN! CHRISTIAN AT LAST HE UNDERATED
And Christian
It’s interesting how different each era of wrestling is. It really does evolve with the each generation.
Holy shit finally a long form video. I honestly only watch this and classical ppv reviews. I could care less about current wrestling. Thank you, your comedy has been missed.
Im so used to watching a wwe/aew show then going straight to Brian Zane to get his take on things an feel lost this week with no raw review.
Keep up the great work.
You should review the billionaire Ted Sketchs
That's a very great idea.
In fact, Zane should review *ALL* of Billy Gunn's failed singles pushes in both WWE and TNA.
@@RoyStantz yeah I think that if it wasn't because he teamed up with Road dogg or Chuck palumbo he would had been released after parting ways from Bart Gunn
Billionaire Ted could be part of a larger review taking a look at WWF and WCW’s potshots at each other during the Monday Night Wars.
6:55 I wish you could make that quote into merch. I would buy it 🤣
"famously poor hygiene"
Huh? That's a new one
Vader was known to not wash his gear and he smelled like shit in the ring
Yeah, I've heard Cornette and Ross talk about how he wouldn't wash his tights. There's a funny story out there about how his wife gave him shit over it, too.
Not to anybody that had to work with him...
Guys were complaining that he wasnt washing his tights
NBR. It’s not new at all. It’s been very well documented by other wrestlers that he had poor hygiene. Bam Bam Bigelow is often accused of it as well.
His mask was infamously smelly as well.
idk if this is the first video with it or not but the new intro and editing is clean man keep it up
Brian you really got to do a video on Shawn Michaels and Hogan political pull
yeahhh would be a good one
Really loved the opening package / narration. Hope this format continues
I watched an old interview with him and he said guys complained about his style. The two guys he hinted at were Taker and Shawn Michaels. I’m curious who it was .
To date, After his death.
In 2022 The wwe inducted him into hall by Jessie white.
Brian Zane beard been growing since then what u use for your beard to grow fast
Its called no barbers are open cream
Time
That "Keeping It Real" reference caught me completely off guard😂
Man so many wrestlers dying this year. RIP Danny Havoc.
What.....?
@@Isaac-cm7zg Besides of Danny Havoc former WWE wrestler Shad Gaspar and Stardom wrestler Hana Kimura have already died this year.
Thats what I said when I saw the tribute
As a guy from Bremen, My older brother told me all about the stories of Vaders (at that time called Bull Power) time in Otto Wanz's CWA. He together with Fit Finlay and Jushin Thunder Liger would walk the streets constantly and sign autographs to anyone who asks. Bremen was kinda like the New York of Germany in the 80s and early 90s, as there was no bigger crowd for Wrestling in this country and we could also be considered a bit smarky. Too bad everything went to shit by the late 90s.
But in any case, Vader will always be my favorite big man of all time.
WCW knew how to use Vader
WWE didn't know what to do with him
ECW well 🤔🤔 we'll never know
I wouldn’t have minded seeing him in ecw
@@ryankeefe6222 yeah, especially since he's known for his brutal matches
Braden S i could see him a role like Sid was when he was there
I think Heyman had an idea to have him put Taz over. But seeing how Bam Bam looked in ECW, who knows man.
@@ryankeefe6222 that would be interesting
That flower background music when Vader grabs the interviewer is hilarious 😂😂
Look the only person who tore Shawn Michaels apart was Vince McMahon
I think I've mentioned before that Vader squashing Monsoon is still a moment that makes me feel genuine revulsion. Because I loved Vader, but I also loved Monsoon, and that moment was not just shocking, but it's also the last we saw of Monsoon on screen before his death. But it was also a fantastic moment for Vader himself, because it was the one time where the company really took the cuffs off of him and let him be just the straight up monster he was meant to be.
I honestly think the company's style in '96 really hampered him. Vader, in WWE, would have worked better in the Attitude Era, where he could have violent bloody brawls that were also paced out enough to let him do the athletic shit he could do. He could powerbomb people into thumbtacks, Vader Bomb them, then hit a moonsault on them just for the fun of it. 1996 WWE was still playing by PG rules though. And Vader just wasn't a PG wrestler. Dude got big in Japan during a time where everyone there wrestled stiff as fuck. That's what Vader did best, because that's how he was taught to wrestle. Finesse the showy moves, but otherwise just beat the hell out of your opponent. Sadly, the Attitude Era is the time they decided to just give up on him. Debuted for them too early, and by the time the right era arrived for him, they'd squandered him.
I hate Shawn so bad it makes my blood boil, espically knowing how he acted in the 96 match with Vader. What a complete baby. Vader should of got up and blasted him.!
What makes it worse is how people talk about Shawn being the greatest of all time. Yeah, greatest baby of all time. He messed with so many peoples spots back then, by crying and wingeing to Vince. He should be ashamed of himself. But its okay cuz HBK found God we should all forgive him..... NOT
I hate you Shawn....!!!!!!!!!
Just like Michael Jorden or Floyd Mayweather. Assholes people but you got to respect that they were the best in that sport. I hate early Shawn as a person too. The Kilq burns my blood too. What's even more crappy is as a kid I loved Shawn and Deisel. Only to find out they were the two biggest assholes back then. My heart hurts for guys like Vader and anyone Hogan screwed over.
@@bOObies2 i agree but, Jordan and Mayweather never cost people there jobs, thats the difference.
These wrestlers had famlies to feed.
But aslong Shawn was okay who cares. He was and still is a JERK, and will never have my RESPECT..!
SamBo And look who's also crying? Don't blame it all on Michaels, Vince is the one you should be blaming and there were others like Hogan who was far worse than him. Atleast Michaels put over people in later years, something Hogan would never be proud to do
@ 3:04 : I named one of my Legendary guns in Fallout 4 "Mr. Bang-Bang" after Cactus Jack :)
nice!!!
I think wwe banned a Mick foley vs Vader match because in their last match Foley lost an Ear
That was long before they were in wwe. It was a match in Germany.
@@wrestlingwithart And was on a house show. WCW DID ban at least parts of a Worldwide match though in that same year (1994), for it being too violent for TV. Perhaps you may be thinking of that.
That issue was entirely WCW's fault.
Because they forgot something even local indies know: You need a ring crew. You can't just hire randoms with no experience to set up your ring and expect things to go right.
That makes zero sense...if they wanted to reference it, they could have created a massive angle out of it. When in wrestling could you have found a feud where one guy legitimately deformed another guy, who could then get revenge? That's pure gold.
@@gst013 that's why some Bookers are terrible at there jobs.. That was a payday waiting to get collected and they didn't capitalize on it.. SMH!
I’m from Philly so I love the Rocky reference at the top of the art museum steps in the intro!