Get to Know Stellantis - Top Vehicles Sold By Each Brand (Chrysler, Citroen, DS, etc.)
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- Опубликовано: 20 май 2024
- Today we look at the merger between FCA and Groupe PSA, otherwise known as Stellantis. This merger includes 14 brands: Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Citroën, Dodge, DS, Fiat, Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Opel, Peugeot, Ram and Vauxhall. We will cover the first 7 brands today, and there will be a second video which looks at the remaining 7 brands. For each we will check out the various models, the top vehicle sold by each, and the overall sales and market share both in the US and Europe. I thought this would be an interesting way to get to know some of the brands from PSA and also check out how FCA is doing as well.
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We all should know that the Grand Caravan is Dodge's best seller I just don't know why they couldn't just redesign it and keep it at a low price.
Agreed. They revamped the Pacifica, why not do the same with the GC? I can see both vehicles selling well, now this forces you into a Pacifica or other brand entirely if you don’t like it
@@MarspeedCars sometimes I look at the Pacifica and am like... Oh shit do I think that minivan looks nice??
@@MarspeedCars At least give the Voyager (which'll be called Grand Caravan in Canada) a bit more of the outgoing GC's look as a facelift instead of continuing it as the older base Pacifica.
It’s not just you, the 2021 version looks really good 😂
Way better looking that tons of crossovers, which people buy to look blue-collar, when the Pacifica has tons of blue collar uses since minivans have way more room.
It's sad to see the state Chrysler is in. I want them and dodge to take over the entire game. I hope chrysler pulls themselves out of it and regain that reputation they used to have.
I mean, Dodge kind of already has the game as far as sedans go & has even before GM & Ford announced that they were pulling out, normal & high performance.
@@JustinPennito The problem is that full size non-luxury sedans is a shrinking market...
They’re all merging because they don’t want to fail separately, so they’re all gonna fail together at some point after the merger.
Chrysler, Dodge and maybe JEEP would not exist today if Fiat had not taken over the Chrysler Group in 2009. The problem for the American brands is that JEEP excepted, they are as popular as the plague with most customers outside North America. JEEP is marginally better but has suffered badly under the ownership of Fiat-Chrysler, especially in quality of assembly leading to poor reliability. Fiat-Chrysler's days were numbered prior to the deal with PSA.
They’re Fiats. Just like Yugo’s, Lada’s and Zastava’s were. Bastard Fiats.
That info about the Citroen DS being Goddess is a keeper. Me and my friends have been fans since the 50’s, and I’m sure none of us knew that before tonight.
Yeah. I loved the DS.. The CITREON DS. However today, “This Isn’t Your Fathers Citroen.” Not anymore.
I'm European and I really like the new PSA models, especially the new Citroen C3/Peugeot 208/Opel Corsa, the Citroen C5 Aircross, the new Peugeot 508 and the DS7 Crossback, which is Macron's personal vehicle!
I am happy to see this merger happen but the Germans are all over the place trying to find weak spots in it! Yeah, as if VW hasn't already got 9 brands (VW, Audi, Bentley, Seat, Skoda, Lamborghini, Bugatti, Ducati, Scania)!
And I have to say that it's a shame the Giulia and Stelvio don't sell. They are much better cars than we believe and they deserve better sales! And the "cheap and unluxurious" phrase goes with the territory, since Germans have this as their Modus Operandi for the base versions as well!
American here.
I'm optimistic for a PSA vehicle Stateside, but I hope it's good when it comes to this side of the pond. European car companies have a habit of treating Americans and Canadians like second-class citizens.
@@thatredmanguy It's true, many Euros don't like Americans and Canadians (along with American cars) and, tbh, I don't know why. We all have our unique qualities and everyone should be equally respected!
PSA Groupe has been thinking of US and Canadian sales for about a decade now. And, in my opinion, this would be a smart move by PSA because French cars are seen by many Americans and Canadians as quirky, stylish, interesting and out of reach alternatives to the Japanese cars and because the cars themselves may have their own share of the sales too!
And another point is that, unlike the Japanese models, which only come with CVTs, the PSA cars come with a proper automatic transmission (the 8-speed torque converter Aisin , the one FWD BMWs also have).
Mercedes must have been on a hell of a bender when they bought the Chrysler Group. Having lost billions and suffered the mother of all migraines they dumped the group on an unsuspecting private equity group who lacked the experience to solve the multitude of problems the Chrysler Group had. Enter the GFC in 2008-9 and that was the end of the Chrysler Group unless some patsy could be found. Enter the Fiat (Fix It Again Tony) Group who had many problems of its own and in a masochistic moment felt they needed more.
Now PSA (who makes some good product most of the time but not product popular outside of Europe) sees synergistic benefits (the mind boggles as how) in taking over the automotive poisoned chalice known as Fiat-Chrysler. I simply can't see the conglomeration succeeding and the day will come when the group is broken up. Hopefully JEEP and Alfa can be bought by companies that understand quality of components and quality of assembly. Both would be a good fit for someone like Mazda.
Also MAN trucks.
@@garyquinlan4075 Dude, you seem pretty ignorant. Fiat was the major shareholder of FCA, and it is now the Major shareholder of Stellantis (14.4% vs 7.2% of PSA).
It's Fiat who took over PSA not the other way round. Fiat saved Chrysler and made FCA a major player, and now they control Stellantis.
Not bad for Fix It Again Tony. Stop living in the past dude.
DS is pronounced Déesse: Day Ess. I think that missing from your stats are the sales of these brands in China where 25% of worldwide car sales occur and that includes the Stellantis European brands. Finally, the Fiat Doblo is present in North America where it is sold as the Ram Promaster City.
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I have never heard of DS, but if Chrysler want take cues from the DS9 design and make it the new 300 I would not be mad.
Chrysler as a premium brand ? That won't happen mate
@@pvc8749 some people don't know what the definition of "premium" is.
@@pvc8749 which is kinda funny since Chrysler was ORIGINALLY a premium brand in the first place, the K-car era kinda ruined that image.
DS5 is one I would definitely buy. Too bad it’s discontinued like the 200 i own. 😩
Mr. Mosby I have a 15 C 3.6 and the build quality is okay it’s not great but it’s okay for what it is. It’s absolutely reliable. The car will owe me nothing the day it dies
StoP TROLLING mE BrO looks like I’ll never ever own one.
You can buy ds9 ful ev
@@91myroc oh I was thinking of springing for a fully loaded 2015c v6 I now days I wish I had it feels as nice as a CLA 250, or nicer.
fiat doblo is sold in the us as the dodge promaster city
10:22 I actually find the idea of a true 4x4 Panda starting at $20k quite interesting. If there was an aftermarket to support it with lift kits and gearing, it would be a great buy.
I really enjoy your videos.
You should order the Sales figures of the Cars in order from highest to lowest. 9:40
Itll be easier to read.
Nice video! Coming from the UK, been watching for awhile :)
Yeah good call will do that for the next one! Thanks for watching all the way overseas!
I'm also overseas, @Marspeed maybe you could have a look at your statistics for the channel and see what percentage of your viewers come from overseas
Makes perfect sense to discontinue your top selling vehicle and not replace it....(Dodge)
Ikr... Such an ironical move! Totally bonkers! And they have the nerve to complain of dwindling sales! My goodness, who gets up and makes these decisions I presume are based on assumptions!!?
09:36 what about the Fiorino model?
Been owning one for like 15 years and it's reliable as hell and there's tons of it in the market, especially Italy, France and Spain
Don't forget the "Imperial" brand; it may be in mothballs now, but they could do something with it. Chrysler sporadically built these high-line cars when they were flush, so it can't be overlooked if this "merger" works.
I hope they start making better looking cars with some meaningful HP. Nice video. Looking forward to part two. 👍🏻👍🏻🇨🇦🇺🇸
TO MAKE IT SHORT FRENCH PSA BOUGHT FCA WHICH IS IN A TIGHT SPOT THIS YEARS WITH NOT ENOUGH R&D and new ELECTRIC CARS DEVELOPMENTS.. PSA IS A VERY STRONG GROUP OPEL IS NOW IN BETTER POSITION UNDER PSA CONTROL... PSA IS THE WINNER FOR ME
All correct
winner in terms of possibilities, but not in terms of risk.
Yo mars what’s goood I been watching your videos since I picked up my 2007 rt with awd and I’ve noticed we have the same color red idk if that’s how yours came from the factory but mine came with that red I don’t see a lot of chargers with that red stock from the factory from the 06-09 charger generation just thought it was interesting and something u may have thought about
Yo what’s good man! Yeah it’s called Torred they had Inferno Red and Torred from 06-10. Not the rarest color but harder to find than like black and white and silver!
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I personally love the new Stellanis name, it could even be a whole luxury brand since the name is fitting for it.
Stellantis already has too many names 😂
It's not the name of the car brand, only of the group owning all those brands.
I’m Italian and French, no worries about miss pronouncing the brands names. We miss pronounce many American brands too ;) PSA group isn’t a joke, get ready because these people are not F around!!! Opel is just the beginning
You made this video on my birthday
Scotty Kilmer hates this channel 🤣🤣🤣
But why
I heard Scotty Kilmer likes to talk shit about cars 🤷🏻♂️
@@gustavoarias6674 he is toyota fu**er so he do not like any company
DrakeP41_YT he talks bad about mopars !
That's ok, most of us hate Scotty and and all his bullshit slinging videos. I have see videos where he reads viewer questions from people that need help with their car and he just tells them they bought a shitty car. No help, just throws shit at his own viewers. He is a scumbag.
Citroen and DS 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
Shite! Avoid at all costs, known as shitron in the UK!
They have good engineers, its up to the management if they will grow. I am a Citroen fan, but I also like italian engineering and styling. If you ask me, its a better group than Vw because its more flexible and it has more affordable cars.
Note about the prices: in Europe prices include sales tax/VAT, which in most EU countries is about 20%. So when you hear a European price in US dollars, you still have to subtract that 20% to get to the US list prices without sales tax. Some countries (mainly in Scandinavia and the Netherlands) also add hefty carbon/pollution taxes, so prices of non-EV cars with big engines from those countries are even harder to compare to US prices. UK prices do seem to make a better comparison to the USA.
and for those not aware, that is also the reason why american cars don't sell in europe. For a corvette, you need to double the price...makes it instantly less appealing to customers, when included with that you get heavy yearly taxes.
Interesting to think that there is a glimmer of hope in a distant best case scenario something at least mediocre could come from Lancia, again that’s only the ultimate best case scenario.
Strange that for a N-A view on the Stellantis Group there's no mention or picture of the Fiat Fullback pick up ...
I believe the Fullback production ended (2016-2019) so it won’t be a model going forward for Fiat
They also should have continued the Journey - maybe rebranded as a Chrysler. Great reliable family with loads of storage.
I like the Stellantis announced Chrysler Airflow electric vehicle for 2025.
7:19 : DS is pronounced [dé-èss] in french, not [dé-sé]. Basically it's exactly like in English, but the D is dé, and not di (or "dee" if you use English-like spelling).
Fca the best
Doblo and Talento are reshape/rebadge Promaster and the Tipo is a Dart
it's the other way around, but OK.
The low horsepower vehicles are meant for the European market due to the tight streets and alleys in many cities and villages.
I'll really miss the Grand Caravan name. I can still remember seeing the mothers with their first generation Caravans and Voyagers parked in the school parking lot waiting to pick up their kids as I'd wait for the bus.
It really makes no sense to discontinue such a great seller that has been a legend for almost 40 years, unless FCA is doing it to let the Chrysler brand grow seeing Chrysler is called the "people mover" brand.
The reason they are discontinuing it is because they want to shift those buyers to Jeep SUVs because unfortunately at the moment, SUVs sell better than Minivans. FCA also wanted Dodge to purely focus on muscle cars. PSA ticks differently to FCA so there will be a change ro FCA's strategy
The Pandas would have been a hit.
As a point of semantics, the DS is properly pronounced Dey S in French.
Fiat should’ve brought the panda 4x4 to the us. It would’ve chewed into the Japanese minitruck craze that was in full swing a couple years ago
The power and sales numbers of the europeen models are a bit off
Stellantis major shareholder is still Italian, not PSA. Basically the Italians control Stellantis like they controlled FCA before.
FCA major shareholder was Exor (Fiat), and now Exor is the major shareholder of Stellantis (14,4% vs 7.2% of PSA). So nothing really changed the company is still controlled by Italians (former Fiat).
that's probably why the majority of european carmagazines already see it as the biggest fail in the automotive world since the merger of daimlerchrysler...which is ironic that it entails chrysler twice xD
Thanks! Now I know who is to blame for the demise of the Dodge Challenger.
Hold did u say a 8.3 0-60. Srt might hav to jump on dat tune it up rlly quick Dey should rlly let srt tune Dey cars up so Dey b fast ass hell 😈😈👿
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I honestly believe this merger is going to turn out great! But i‘m not 100% sure if chrysler will survive
And I’m not sure Lancia will survive :(
All ICE car manufactureres will face a hard time with the strong EV growth in the near future. None of the brands really have a convincing momentum moving to BEVs except the PSA brands. And this mean they will be late to the party. Lancia is only a shadow of its former self.
We need a 300 SUV 👌🏽
please no... people should stop thinking SUV's are safer (main reason they're bought) because they are actually far from safer. They don't have the structural integrity of trucks and they lack the low center of gravity sedans and other cars have. It's all just an illusion of safety due to the higher seating position, but that's about it. Cars: yes, Trucks: absolutely SUV's: get rid of those.
@@TheChill001 I am just saying because everything is being converted to an SUV and it's not only "safety" but SUVs are more spacious and useful, sedans are becoming extinct 🤷🏽♂️
A 300 Electric SUV 👌🏽
Marspeed giving me grade 9 French flashbacks
What do I think about the merger you say? I'm annoyed! Greatly. When I first heard wind of it, I was like let it not be, I'm glad the Nissan deal fell through and was hoping for the same here, it unfortunately did not pan out like I had hoped. I'm greatly concerned about the Italian brands taking a back seat to these French ones! Italians by far are better automotive makers, they may have lost sight of that and need to find it! I don't think Stellaris is where it's at. Many think FCA is just Chrysler, Dodge, Fiat, Jeep and RAM Trucks but there's so much more than meets the eye. They do a number of outsourcing work for Daimler AMG and Volkswagen in automotive lighting and some powertrain development! The common rail injection system wouldn't be a staple today if FIAT hadn't developed the working concept in the beginning! Fiat has a substantial impact on the development cars of cars, but I hope they find their feet in the future of automation. I vehemently disagree with autonomising vehicles but there's also hydrogen fuels to look forward to! It ain't new tech, has been there since the early 20th century but it could be the future if automakers can get their heads out of the electric/electrification BUBBLE! It's a serious distraction!
The Panda probably would have sold well in North America. Yeah it's probably the Jeep Renegade, but still!
technically, the renegade and the 500X and 500L are quite close to each other. the panda is more or less a 4-door version of the 500 without the retro-looks
Why would Dodge discontinue their best selling vehicle?
Among the brands here, I think Abarth will be dropped, and Chrysler & Dodge will be merged / intermixed.
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I don't think we will see much of these new brands in the US as America's standard of cars are very different from europ.
.....and why you all buy german cars like crazy
@@andyjost3150 I was more talking about the sub 100 hp and the smaller cars. But you do have a good point.
@@aarond4072 you have a point too. European cars sell everywhere except in the US, US cars...just sell in the US xD
2023........ ET MAINTENANT ?
Chrysler was stupid for discontinuing the grand caravan why get rid of a vehicle that was selling well. Replacing it with the Chrysler voyager is definitely stupid as it’s a cheaper version of the Pacifica nothing unique about it
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the worst name change ever i swear that name is so gross and contemporary , i wish we could get a girthy name or maybe a more modernist name
Yeah it really sounds like some ancient witchcraft shit and doesn’t roll off the tongue right
@@MarspeedCars high quallity video btw i just watched it, i cant say tho that i can see any of the french car brands selling in the US atleast not with theyre current power output to price to safety ratio
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@@kenhaze5230 i meant a more agressive name but that still is better than Stellantis
@@alexfitzpatrick2509 Right I was just being ridiculous to show how silly that name is lol
Okay they first few times I get pronouncing all those names wrong but by now you could’ve looked up how to pronounce them
I can't help but be skeptical about this merger. PSA has absolutely no clue what sells in the North American market.
True but they know what to sell in Europe something FCA struggles.
@@p4olo537 exactly. That’s why Fiat has been underperforming in Europe for quite some time now
@@dgbservices6049 but that's also why carmagazines are extremely sceptical, since FCA is the one who still has the highest stake in this deal, so if the management style retains that of FCA...it's going to be a loss for everyone.
Peugeot and Citroen do design some very nice looking vehicles. The build quality of Peugeot was never seen as bad as Citroen despite both being sister brands. Peugeot have some stunning looking cars just now, DS too. Americans are wanting big engined V8's and wince at the thought of a 4 banger. But these small displacement 4 cylinder modern European turbo charged petrol engines can put out a lot of power and return very good economy depending on driving style. V8's sound cool and an American institution but they are thirsty and not even that economical to manufacture never mind run. What Americans call small in car terms every one else calls normal 🤣😂😅.
Last years trend in Europe are 3 cylinders turbocharged engines for smaller cars, and plugin-hybrid 4 cylinders engines for high-end. The 6-cylinders are slowly disappearing.
Alfa romeo giulia is car that is better than any car from the psa group
Ello!
Thanks marspeed! Been a fan for a bit!
I will always refer to the whole company as Chrysler, I dont care who owns it lol
I will always refer to the whole company as crap on wheels. Lowest quality cars out there.
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Have you heard that GM is suing FCA for sabotage or something petty
I think Vaxhall is a GM subsidiary.
@@markg7030 Vauxhall is a subsidiary of PSA... it is essentially the same thing as Opel, just a rebadged version for the UK.
@@kugul1683 I thought Opel was a subsidiary of GM, they used to sell them at Buick dealers in the U.S.
@@markg7030 in 2017, Opel and Vauxhall were sold to PSA
@@kugul1683 Thank you.
DS is actually pronounced "Day-Ess" in French
The french would say American names with an accent, I say french names with an English/American accent, we’re all equals 😂
Too bad these brands won’t change in the merger because they’re very low on build quality.
Except Peugeot. Peugeot 3008 top quality car. In the Best 10 in Europe
Also, I’m skeptical that the merger will happen.
Chrysler Fiat and peugeot. Scotty Kilmer calls them The Three stooges of the Auto industry.
But why would dodge get rid of one of their best selling vehicle they sell grand caravans like hotcakes hell the grand caravans makes up for what they don't make on cars
They will still make it, they have moved it over to the Chrysler brand. They will now offer a less expensive version of the Chrysler minivan.
@@Dialysisforever but even so dodge is under Chrysler it's still its own brand in its own and it's sells mostly came from that van and the cars came second under that if anything they should kept the Pacifica as a crossover and gave the GC a refresh instead not just get rid of the best selling car that's like Jeep getting rid of the Wrangler
@@avrggamer69 I can see that but if you start to sell Jeep under the Chrysler badge, people will still know its a Jeep. The name change has happened before when it changed from AMC.
Darrell Willis the GC did sell well, but it made little money. People aren’t buying them because they are the best minivan, they are buying them because they are cheaper. Much of the sales of the GC were due to fleet sales, just go look at any car rental at a major airport and you will see a couple dozen in the lot. This is especially true in Alaska and Canada, they do quite well in the snow. When I landed in Fairbanks, over half of the rental cars were GC, it looked like a Dodge dealership. It is also very popular with sales reps and service companies. The new Pacifica is so much better than the GC ever was and once they stop the GC, sales will increase even more.
@@mopar_dude9227 but it's kinda what dodge does they always get rid of the good cars
PSA brands are doing well and offer good products for European markets. FCA brands (except Jeep) are badly managed and need infusion of BEV technology and modern platforms, as well as a strategy for the their lineup and market position. The merger could help Fiat a lot to survive but Alfa Romeo is doomed. Chrysler and Dodge are in trouble with outdated products and technology; unfortunately, PSA cannot help with their modern but small car platforms. Both brands need to reinvent themselves to stay alive.
Stellantis:- more than just a blue pill....well, only slightly
I hate the other Stellantis brands like Peugeot,Citroen, DS Vauxhall and Opel
lol spacetourer!!! What a joke!!! WTF, SMH!! I hope dodge stays dodge.
Him: "DS is pronounced Dé sé in French"
French people: !!?
They think changing the name will change quality and reliability of this endless money pits they make today. Who needs new car make name people wants product that will last not some stupid new company name.
This merger, does not seem very good
So basically Peugeot now owns the failing Fiat group?
Correct
Follow the money
So Dodge is killing off their biggest seller by a wide margin? What the fuck? That's pants-on-head stupid.
Wow this is unimpressive. Guess I'm EV converting my 410k km Magnum. :D
Killing "Dodge Caravan" name is madness. Most buyers really don't know that Chrysler Pacifica is the upgrade. That is when they realize Caravan is dead they will be looking at other vans, like Honda Odyssey, for the new one.
I'm happy since I will likely be driving Caravan and 300 until there are EV vans with 48VDC subsystems.
Dang. European cars are slow. And I'm not even into fast cars but less than 150 HP lol
I am French and I have never understood the interest of the Americans for fast cars when the speed limits are lower and stricter in the United States than in Europe. and to drive fast in the mountains, I like a European car. but this is our mutual difficulty. European cars don't sell in the United States, and American cars don't sell in Europe. we do not have the same needs and the same tastes. otherwise very happy to discuss on this channel with Americans and the quality of this youtube channel and comments.
@@neospartan2816 I dont understand the obsession with fast cars because of those exact same reasons. But to me anything under 150 sounds way to slow.
City cars like the Fiat Panda or Citroen C3 are light, so a power output of around 100 HP is enough.
Many Europeans also have diesel family car. Turbocharged diesel engines have high torque figured low in the rev range so the performance is similar to NA V6 Engines in US vehicles. A pentastar 3.6 V6 may have 300HP but it only has 300 Nm @ 5000 rpm whereas a modern diesel 2.0 has around 175 HP but around 400 Nm @ 2.000 rpm. Therefore unless you are using all of the power (which is not necessary in everyday driving) you’re better of with the European power plants.
And you have plenty of fast European cars too like German (BMW, Porsche), Britisch (Jaguar) and Italian offerings (Maserati). Which are quite common one could say although heavily taxed in Mediterranean countries.
Yeah but the cars are smaller and lighter so 150bhp is more than enough. A small supermini hatchback with 75bhp, skinny tyres and light weight is immense fun on twisty European roads.
Love the fact that, you know how to say "LANCIA" the proper way. The rest of your analysis is absolutely rubbish. Keep the day job.
“LAN” like eLAN and “C” pronounces CH and last “A” like PastA
I feel like owning a DS car is a waste of money in my opinion I'd rather buy a grand Cherokee or Durango
Fiat lol. They wanted to play Mini. But they couldn't out Mini the Mini! Instead they had to sell platforms to the brands that people were looking at for the less intelligent among us to pick up. Still didn't work for them lol. At least it appears the new slew will have some interesting options that the westerners may actually want to jump on lol
Those European cars look really wacky, and the DS logo looks like they went into a kindergarten and asked the children to design a logo and made a chrome version of it.
Citröen is known in Europe to produce wacky cars, while Peugeot is more of a conservative player. Opel cars used to be very boring (especially under GM) but now with the new Mokka, they are getting more interesting again.
Those euro eco thrashers do nothing for me. No wonder Fiat and Alfa struggle to sell in west. In Australia, we prefer RWD V8 power.
All the crappiest cars under one umbrella lol..
Ehh, I’ll just get a Toyota.
Stellantis, it's the one name that people that want to buy a car should fear. There is NOTHING good coming out of that car company.
I hope them the best but yeah. A bunch of low quality brands lol
They made good change in Europe. Something good will come. Let’s stay positive
Oh no a I don't want a Citroen or a Puegeot Hellcat. 😷😷😷😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣 they will be probably like some TESLA
So wait.... a group comprised of uninspiring and failing brands that merged to stay competitive, and another group comprised of uncompetitive and uninspired brands, which was owned by one half decent one, in FIAT, merged, to form a conglomerate of trash brands?
FIAT should divest and RUN.
They've shown they can make a car that is competitive in the market they traditionally wanted to occupy, that being Italy's answer to Ford, Toyota and Volkswagen, they own Ferrari, and Maserati, along with Alfa, which gives them toe holds in other more boutique markets, and they have the option of taking a risk on rehabilitating Lancia, one of the most iconic brands in history to those who actually KNOW about cars.
Why in the ever loving f*ck would they gamble on Chrysler and it's trash brands? Or worse, gamble on the not only dead, but boring, horse that is the PSA Group?
Guess that is what happens when the Italian side of Angelli family all die off and leave the reins with American cousins. I mean, the nostalgic optimism born of misguided patriotism could at least explain the Chrysler thing.
Nothing explains the PSA thing. Maybe they feel like since Maserati was once owned by Citroen they can repay the favour by bailing out the latter? I don't know, there's got to be some weird connection that makes this make sense. Make sense to Elkan and the Angelis. It sure as sh*t makes zero sense to anyone else.
Citroen hit the jackpot almost eighty years ago, with their first post War car, the 2CV, and then backed it up, with a Sophtmore offering that was even more magnificent in the DS. The writing was on the wall for a trifecta, they were going for a hattrick, the likes of which no manufacturer would have ever emulated since, with the XM, and decided suddenly, NO. Let us back away from the things which we wanted, to avoid the HP tax, and domestic blowback. We'll dump the plans for an 8, and just chop off two cylinders. We'll ditch the true fastback coupe, that loses the back seats, and not make the sedan, and wait until the final year to add an auto to the range.
So, voila, they have a car that is not quite, but almost is, and might have been, but maybe is not. That hesitation, sacrificing of vision for consideration of more mundane considerations followed to the CX and the XM and from there it was downhill to mediocrity and banality in motion. It was a dedicated brief, and their dedication to meet it, that spawned the 2CV, it was vision, and their drive to realise it, which spawned the Goddess, the moment they balked at the dedication they'd put in to the previous visions reliasation, they stumbled and have never recovered.
Peugeot on the other hand. Jesus. They made amazing cars for much longer. The 402, the nifty little 404, the world conquering unstoppable 504, the rabid monster in dwarfs clothing that was the 205 GTi, and the simply underrated, public darling that was the 406.
Then they went full retard.
They went from that history, to sh*t, not with some close calls, near hits turned misses, that slowly undid the magnificence of their past glories in slow series of ever worsening compromise cars like Citroen.
No, they did it in just a few short years.
Suddenly making cars that were simply terrible compared to say the 406, without anything close to the wild side some 205 models could show, nor the cheap usability of 404, and certainly not the quality and stamina of the 504. Not single performance sleeper, workhorse taxi, comfy middle class middle size quirky everycar, or go anywhere, never stop, three million miler, among the lot.
On what planet does their merging with anything make anyone excited?
Chrysler on the other hand? Well they once showed brains. They gave us the Viper, and the Prowler! They kept us in Wranglers. They allowed us the unmatched, unbridled, mythical glory of the Lamborghini Diablo, inarguably the greatest Lamborghini of ALL TIME.
Yet the Diablo was about the only thing they could give us in that era, already broke ass as they were, and it cost them. Senna wanted the Lamborghini McLarens, Lamborghini were finally ready to commit to F1 OPENLY, not hiding behind a faux team, or under big name like Lotus. The engine was given the GOAT's, Senna's, gushing seal of approval, but the lacking money was gave us.... still born alternative realities and what ifs. The Viper and Prowler made it. The ME 4-12 did not. The Atlantic did not. The Imperial did not. The Phaeton did not.
What's that say? That says the most visionary, most worldly, most wild, of the once Big Three, has not had the money, or the nerve, to give the nod to risk, for much of the last 50 years.
So what are they bringing? RAM's that are way too ethnocentric to be global? Jeeps that are having more and more competition, and more and more quality questions? The 300C? A minivan?
Are we going to get another Viper, or Prowler? Like hell.
This is a not a sh*t sandwhich, to quote motoring journalist John Codegan, it's more like a sh*t layer cake. Fresh steaming warm automotive feces, sourced from the biggest global automotive colons, meshed together to create one putrid recipe for disaster.
Watch it stain FIAT, and her brands.
Bothering to get to know this abomination, is like bothering to get to know Ebola.
If you get close enough to have a solid first hand opinion based in experience, you're probably going to start hemorrhaging blood from pustules, and bleeding from the eyeballs. Or maybe you'll just get some sh*t born parasite, or hepatitis.
Ughhhh.
Just.... ewwwwwww.
okay...tf. First of all, FCA no longer owns ferrari, just a minor stake last I heard. As for failing brands...all of the FCA brands are failing, except Jeep and Ram, but again only in the US are they of any value. Their entire line up is either seriously aging or completely outdated save for AR and maserati. PSA on the other hand has a combined european market share of 14-15% and has a significant market share in china, they aren't dead, dying or even close to being dead and were europe's second most profitable car maker in 2019, while FCA was and is hemorhaging money. Get your facts straight plz. Is this a good merger though...imho that answer is the same: no. Because it'll either end up with serious cutting in the brands, pleasing no one or a complete mismanagement due to unaligning strategies and ideologies. In short: american car companies and european car companies just don't mix... FCA already showed it didn't, PSA won't change that.
@@TheChill001 Yes, they only own a minor stake now, as share holders in a spun off separate Ferrari, but the company, as well, I believe, the Angeli family holding company, own a a stake.
They still retain Maserati and Alfa Romeo too.
Take that, and RUN.
Chrysler is SHIT.
PSA is also shit, they make shit cars, and you are fucking muppet if you think market share means anything.
The product always reveals itself.
Peugeot have not made a good car in 20 years. Nor have Citroen.
The BEST cars this idiotic conglomerate of steaming cunt rot have, is the Jeep Wrangler and Alfa Guilia Quadrofoglia, even the RAM is trash.
Citroens are lemons, Peugeots are uninspired plastic automotive feces, Chrysler make nothing but steaming rectal ejection, and FIAT want to gamble on that shit?
Nah. You get the facts straight... say it with me.....everything PSA and Chrysler is nothing but the leakage from drooling retards colostomy bag, and has been for decades.... save perhaps JEEP.
FIAT would be WAY better off increasing their stake in Ferrari again, taking Maserati and Alfa, and running, but not before taking a match to the rest.
Apis4, don’t hold back. Tell us how you really feel. 😂
@@robo08ify Simple truth.
Between 1947 and 1987, Citroen made some of most ingenious and creative cars ever made.
The 2CV was a brilliant answer to the post war problem, far better than Piaggio's even, and that's saying something.
The DS was light years ahead of the automotive thinking of the time, and has become an icon.
They ALMOST hit it out park with CX and SM, but got timid at the 11th hour and made concessions which prevent them from being quite the home run the previous cars were, but still excellent for what they sought to be. French lateral thinking in relation to engineering at its finest.
They failed to keep up that moment. Ever since, they've had more misses than hits.
Simple as that.
They made some great cars pre War too. The modern era is what killed them.
Peugeot are the same. They made some incredible cars, he'll, even some models made in the 90s...like 405's zippy variants. They mad the amazing and unstoppable 504. They made one the greatest hot hatches ever.
But the last 30 years has been a nose dive.
Renault don't make great cars, but they make better cars than anything PSA now makes, or has for the last 30 years as their separate companies.
Chrysler is the same thing.
Once, they were the US marque which made some of best cars, built with a IDGAF attitude.
The Wranglers many iterations, the Viper, the Copperhead, the PT cruiser even.
Go back to the Mopar era, same thing.
De Soto ultimately made American luxury far sexier than Lincoln or Cadillac ever did in the same era.
Another company that from the 20s, to 90s, gave us some unique, exciting, cars.
What have they made recently?
The Charger and Challenger TRY, but muscle today ain't classic muscle, and outside the US there's barely a market.
Still, could save them and Jeep.
But aside from those?
Man, Fiat need to cut and fucking run, take Lancia....and use it. ...Msaerati, Alfa, Jeep and Doge just for the muscle, and take a fucking flame thrower to the rest.
Kill it with fire, piss on the ashes, and regain some modicum of honor back.
Don't whore up the dead French horses and try trick us in to catching fucking froggy AIDS.
Don't spin the bullshit one tries in rehabilitating US cars reputations in markets that actually know good cars by touting the new European connection.
Just fucking cut out all the gangrenous shit, bury it, run.
If they don't, it'll spread. This won't be Fiat saves PSA and Chrysler, this will be PSA and Chrysler give their Ebola to Fiat, otherwise.
Sometimes one just needs to look past the illusion.
Use your nose, it'll smell the shit.
Stellantis sounds more like a drug company name or a prescription. Will a warning label be included with each vehicle that this product may cause blindness, bowel cramps, heart palpitations, constipation, mood swings, and other heath issues. Not that impressed with the Citroen, Peugeot, Fiat and Alfa Romeo brands.
Jeffrey Sproul it is because In Europa, we like to use latin or greek roots of words and like the ethymology of words. when I was in college, I studied Latin and Ancient Greek for a year (and yet my college and high school studies were science). but it was part of the general culture. therefore a part of Europeans understand the word stellantis so that it is not a word of a living language.
No Warning ⚠️ Label
Stephen King could not have written a bigger horror story.
What a group of the most unreliable, underdone and unwanted vehicles in history!!
Ahahah
What a gay company.
I actually feel sorry for the average European families, what horrible automotive options they have.
Owner stellantis Exor group
Exor => Ferarri => FCA => PSA => Lamborghini ? 🤔
Thise Agnelli clan 👏🏻
Please next Lamborghini
Lamborghini belong to VW group
No @ putri Nursalina Lamborghini belong to VW group
VW won't be selling Lamborghini, that rumor's already been debunked and Bugatti's going to be a sale in exchange for a controlling stake in the company that buys it, so again a win win in which they still control the brand.