1:34. Obi-Wan's disgust is amazing. He is realising that Qui-Gon was right. He wants to stand by Ahsoka because he believes her. He wants to stand by Anakin because he always has and will. Maybe he thought he could start to change the councils' thinking, but one person can only do so much.
@@Theo-bb6pn I haven't read it, but, I know Qui-Gon was so rebellious because of Dooku. Would Qui-Gon have joined Dooku in AotC? Probably not, he would have seen Dooku going down the dark path, and would have stayed out of the Clone Wars.
@@sergeyoneill1344 I don't think he would've stayed out of the clone wars, but I don't think he'd have allowed Anakin to be turned and would've pushed back against the council far more. The whole book centres around the differences between Obi Wan and Qui Gon, especially the first third - Obi Wan's critical difference, as you know, is that he was far more aligned with the council, and as a padawan he was arrogant and dogmatic.
@@Theo-bb6pn I see, yes, Obi-Wan is certainly more obedient of the council when he was younger. Though it is surprising, considering that it was Qui-Gon accepting Obi-Wan as an apprentice that allowed Obi-Wan to continue his training. Something that he was clearly aware of as it was only with his persistence at keeping Qui-Gon's word to train Anakin. Obi-Wan tells Yoda at the end of PM, that he will train Anakin regardless if the council supports him or not. So, Yoda, not wanting to loose two more jedi (and perhaps the prophesied chosen one) that he relents.
Anikans betrayal was years in the making and was motivated by the apathy of the Jedi council, as was Ashokas decision to not trust them before order 66, pride and apathy created Vader rather than greed or arrogance.
Obi-Wan is one of those rare people who are always right, but no one listens to... He has the legal right to say “I told you so” whenever he feels like it
@@cameronpugh3586 Ok I'll agree on that but he didn't even try to reassure Anakin and/or Ahsoka afterwards. Granted I doubt either of them would have listened to him at the time.
I mean, what if a real world religious organization used its influence to try its members internally, rather than through the normal channels. That would seem pretty corrupt.
@Shayan well, I will certainly be surprised if in a alternative situation a soldier that kills both jedi and other soldiers, would be judged by a jedi court. Everyone who read some books like Tarkin and thrawn know that what rules in the Republic/Empire is political power. I am not saying that your logical is wrong, i one saying thats is not the problem here.
not to get into a whole thing, but the jedi really let their belief of the force blind them in so many situations. the dark side was much "better" in the sense that the sith used elements of both the light & the dark to get what they want, not blind faith. the council should've stood up for their padawan despite the risks
IfYouDontAgreeFUCKU I feel it was the will of the people that interfered with the Jedi. The fact that they were following the will of the Republic instead of the Force itself is what I believe to be the downfall of the Jedi.
Tasav Youre more right than you know..... One huge part of the reasons the jedi fell was thay they became too involved in politics. They became arrogant and righteous (with some exceptioms of course), and became far too clinical for an order than should be more mystical. midicholrians are a great example. The Jedi 9f that tike thought they culd quantify the force, thought they could make a strict system of training that worked for all, and forgot that the Force is far more. Yoda learned this by the time he got the Dagobah. In fact he realized in in the middle of hos fight with Sidious in the Senate hall. He realized the Jedi hadnt lost the day of Order 66, or the day of the rise of the Empire, but they had lost decades earlier, by losing themselves and what they were supposed to be.
No! He shouldn't have been blown up on the Death Star! It was wrong!... He should have ben arrested and forced to watch in misery as his pathetic Death Star was destroyed before being executed!
Ciaran McGuinness They really did make their bed and ended up lying in it. It's funny, because this is all cause for Anakin to hate the Jedi; Palpatine outwardly showed him kindness, compassion and that he cares, regardless of whether or not be actually did or just saw him as a tool to use. Meanwhile, a lot of the high ranking Jedi ignored, doubted, or ostracized him to a degree while dismissing his struggles from his childhood, and actually using him as a tool of war. It's easy to see how people in-universe can look at the Jedi and think they're evil; if you didn't know who was good/evil beforehand and just look at how they treated people you'd think it was the other way around.
dbstewart86 Not to mention the Jedi had become complaceant and the used the Force for themselves to help the Republic, they were constantly contradicting themselves and they were corrupt and so overconfident that they couldnt see that Palpatine was a Sith Lord when he was standing right in front of them during meetings, they also didnt do anything to help matters when they made Anakin ,a clearly highly emotional and hormonal teenager at that time even Obi Wan could sense that, Padmes bodyguard almost ensuring that he would fall in love with her, They made some major mistakes during the Clone Wars, and while on that subject they themselves said "We are keepers of the Peace not soldiers" well they were all bloody Generals of Entire Starfleets, I know there was a war but they choose to use the Force to help the Republic, rather than let things play out as the Force willed it but their biggest mistake was constantly bellittling Anakin instead of nurturing his knowledge,skill and power and he was supposed to be the Chosen One yet they all (Except Obi Wan) treated him like shit
@@adzz4707 I feel Anakin’s fury may have overpowered that if that happened. At this point, I think it would take more than a force push, even by multiple Jedi to stop Anakin’s rage on them.
@@regulusking4299 as much as I love anakin I think he would get clapped against the Jedi council, yoda and mace would put him down as if mace had the strength to take down fully trained sidious I think he could take on angry new sith
@@adzz4707 unless he catches them off guard with a burst of rage. If at least one of them can read Anakin's first move and predict the burst, Anakin loses. Otherwise Anakin would end the order right then and there with a mass force push or something
Mace Windu has always had it out for Anakin, and sometimes it feels like he expanded that distrust and disliking toward Ahsoka. If Qui-Gon were there he would have talked sense into them. He knew that the Order had become so obsessed with staying "unattached" that they wouldn't even stand with eachother. Qui-Gon was a true Jedi.
Qui-Gon is more of the embodiment of the light side as he trusts only in the force and actually trusts in it compared to the council where they say it but are blinded by politics
So tired of hearing that bullshit. Windu has never had it out for Anakin. EVER. Windu has a lot more important shit to do than to make Anakin happy. Hell everyone on the council was coerced into banning Ahsoka by Tarkin, not just Windu. Just because Windu says that one line that's taken out for context every single time doesn't mean Windu hates Anakin, at all.
Windu never had it out for Anakin; he was just the Council's spokesperson. No one else had the balls to say what they believed, so that fell to Windu. Don't get me wrong; he's just as much to blame for Anakin's fall to the dark side as the other members on the council, because the Jedi were, at their very core, corrupt.
@@xrstevenson Rewatch Revenge of the Sith. Windu literally flat out says: "I don't trust him [Anakin]". Also, "If what you told me is true, you would gain my trust."
Mace Windu trying to look cool: The council will act as we deem necessary Also Windu: Heq, we can't make ourselves look bad in front of a bunch of politicians over something as silly as mOrALs
@@demonwolf5586 It’s more of his character and not really a flaw. In the movies we don’t see much of him other than him using his purple lightsaber and fighting. Here more shows his true how he’s just rude to everyone
Also, he didn't even apologize to Ahsoka at the end. Pretentious asshole. "Did it ever occur to you Master Windu that this was the council's trial and Anakin was the only one who passed?"
Meanwhile in another universe in another galaxy far far away... Mace: The Council recognizes The Senate has made a decision, but given that it’s a stupid-ass decision, The Council has elected to ignore it.
People are always blaming the entire Jedi council for expelling Ahsoka but I think this scene makes if very clear that not all the Jedi were in agreement and that I especially vigorously defended her.
But obi wan was the only was not blaming Ashoka, that idiot ki adi Mundi and sassee tin wanted to get rid of her. The Jedi council should be smart enough and wise enough to know that Ashoka was too kind and pure of heart to commit a crime like that
The only reason I’m able to sit through Tarkin’s bullshit is that Luke kills him in the OT Took away Anakin’s padawan, killed by Anakin’s son Love that
@@s.nifrum4580 Even Barriss has more gratitude towards Ahsoka. I feel like that she intended to frame another Jedi, but when Letta requested to be questioned by Ahsoka, Barriss had crossed the Rubicon.
This scene always pisses me off. I hate that the council just throws Ahsoka under a bus. The evidence was circumstancial at best. They didn't even try to use the Force to see who was really behind the attacks. So much for Jedi loyalty.😤
Although I agree with you, I must point out that at time the dark side prevented them from seeing through the force so after years of relying upon this they were walking completely blind during the clone wars, and because of that (I think so at least) their opinions were worth little more than a simple Jedi knight's
well evidence is nano droid explosives found in her possession, the murder of the clones at the military prison, breaking out of a secure military installation, may have been seen with Ventress via a security camera, death of letta via force means. Thats...alot of circumstantial evidence stacked against her. Isn't there something about if you are innocent, why run? If she stayed and never left, all they have got is a holo recording of her strangling Letta and that is about it. Rest of it wouldn't have happened. Dead clones fine but no evidence of who killed them before Ashoka stumbled onto their bodies and her lightsabers by them. The evidence, though circumstancial, does not stack in her favour
What always pissed me off about this arc is that Ahsoka had a perfectly good alibi to defend herself with: She was engaged in a battle halfway across the galaxy with her master when the temple had been attacked and was TASKED by the council itself to investigate said attack.
You’re right that she couldn’t have been the actual bomber, but they were looking for the mastermind of the temple bombing. The actual bomber, Letta Turmond confessed that a Jedi helped her plan it and supplied her with the nano-droids.
With characters such as Tarkin it makes you feel great when he dies on the Death Star because of all the terrible things he did leading up to that point.
Here’s a question, or a flaw in Tarkin’s logic that the council failed to recognize: If Ahsoka was expelled from the order before her trial then she was also stripped of her military rank. How can she then be tried as a military officer ?
Also why Senate needed to expel Ahsoka in the first place? Jedi Order was always semi-autonomous (they could train and govern themselves how they liked) and they answered only to the Senate itself. So if Senate > Jedi, then expulsion wasn't needed, create a comission or take Ahsoka to the courts (which Palpatine already has under control as Windu states to Anakin shortly before his death). So any trial would be biased, but it wouldn't look like Jedi were throwing Ahsoka under bus to cover themselves, which obviously made very ugly impression on her and especially Anakin, a *huge* factor in his later turn.
@@cameronpugh3586 Senate and Tarkin wanted Ahsoka to be expelled, so she could stand trial before military court, which suggests that Jedi enjoyed special benefits and couldn't be judged otherwise. However Jedi Order as organization was always answering to the Senate, so why it was necessary?
Master Exploder Ah I see...my guess would be that perhaps since Ahsoka’s military rank is a product of her status as a Jedi, she would have a Jedi trial by default (as Yoda suggests) rather than a military trial before the Senate. So I guess in order to try her NOT as a Jedi, she had to be expelled from the Order first. Like you say, the Order was always semi autonomous. They answered to the Senate to a degree, but they had a lot of independence and discretion. One of the products of the Clone Wars was that this discretion got gradually eroded as the Jedi became wrapped up in the war. It’s important to note that the council COULD have refused Tarkin’s request and chose not to because it would have been politically inconvenient. But it was certainly within their power. There’s another instance in the show, when Cad Bane steals the holocron, where Mace and Obi Wan resist a request by Palpatine to update him on their progress. They claim it’s an “internal Jedi affair.” Anakin makes the argument that because of the Jedi’s military involvement, they had a duty to report to the chancellor, even on internal affairs. This suggests that before the war, the Jedi enjoyed a pretty high degree of privilege and discretion to operate with or without the knowledge/approval of the overarching government. The war makes this politically messy, so they begin answering to the Senate more and more. It seems to me that they answered to the Senate not necessarily because they legally had to, but because it was politically the smartest thing to do at the time. So it seems likely that if this had taken place during peace time, no one would have challenged the Council’s authority to try one of its own.
"Public opinion is turning against the Jedi." Jeez they can't catch a break. In Kotor people got mad at them for not wanting to get involved in the Mandalorian Wars and in here they got mad because they got involved in the war right away.
I feel like three things could've turned the council's decision in Ashoka's expulsion 1. Anakin being there 2. Plo Koon being there 3. Obi-Wan asking himself what would Qui-Gon do(which would most likely be fight harder for Ashoka)
Obi stayed on the council to try and some good. the only reason to why Anakin was allowed to investigate was because Obi was on the council. if he did like Qui-gon, then he would have no influence at all.
Luke was talking nonsense in that scene. I literally defended Ahsoka in that room but Luke criticized me too in that next sentence. Luke was flat out misrepresenting history and willfully ignoring all the good the Jedi had done. No one said we were prefect, but the good far out weighted the bad so for Luke to say our legacy is failure, hypocrisy, and hubris is flat out lie and it's a major reason why people say he was acting out of character in the Last Jedi. Rian Johnson didn't understand the Jedi and he projected this ignorance on to Luke.
@@stopreadingmyusernamebroth9090 the Jedi were completely oblivious to the fact that there was a sith crystal beneath the temple fucking up their connection to the force and blinding them from Palpatine. I’d say Luke, however scuffed Rian made his character, wasn’t oversimplifying
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi Listen man, I don't like Luke's depiction in the Last Jedi but that line is one of the most insightful in all of the movies. The Jedi are ultimately the ones who paved the way for Palpatine's rise because they straight up began forgoing the ideals of the Jedi. They failed to properly console Anakin even though they were well aware of his struggle with the dark side, they consistently broke their own dogmatic doctrines by bending to the will of the Senate and became generals in a war they shouldn't have fought, and they were arrogant enough to become generals despite a majority of the Jedi within the order not being suited for military leadership as well as believe they could end the war before Palpatine enacted his plans. While the Jedi did do good, their legacy is their failure because that is what they left behind after their fall with the rise of the Empire and all of the atrocities it would commit.
I never trusted Tarkin from the moment I first met him. I almost wish he did escape before the Death Star was destroyed. Just so I could see the look of defeat on his face.
People say Palpatine brainwashed anakin yet in almost everything Palpatine says is true. Everything he said about the Jedi was absolutely 100 percent true
@@NormanOsborned call it edgy all you want but maybe pay attention to the stroy. literally in this scene the jedi are more concerned with their image than justice for one of their own. the jedi were corrupting themselves by involving themselves in politics. they became a weapon for the republic instead of impartial peacekeepers. picking a side in the war is completely counterintuitive to the jedi ideals. more concerned with war and control than balance and justice lead to their own downfall. palpatine was right, just a villain.
@@NormanOsbornedno it's literally what happened even EP 3 when Anakin and Palpatine are in the opera Palpatine says that the Jedi will try to take over the Senate just one couple of scenes later mace suggests that and the only member to oppose is Yoda
Yoda: "May the Force guide us." Cosmic Force: Um yeah, about that...decades ago, we sent out force visions of these events to Jedi with precog abilities. You locked them all up for being crazy (going against the grand agenda) and spreading fear ("succumbing" to the dark side) and never looked back. You guys are on your own. Living Force: We gave the chosen one to Qui-Gon, the only Jedi with any sense, and you let him die. As a result, Obi-Won took in Anakin out of obligation and didn't raise him correctly. Meanwhile Dooku got Hoodwinked into joining the Sith after realizing that the Council sat on their collective butts and let Jin die. You're on your own. The Counsil: Our connection to the Force has been greatly diminished over the last few years, but surely the force is still on our side. Also Politics. Me: Why are you guys so dumb?
This right here was what really what put Anakin on the path to betraying the Jedi more than anything else. I think the crises with Padme was just the straw that broke the camel's back. The Clone Wars enriched the Prequel Trilogy so much that they have to be seen in a completely different light when all is viewed in it's proper chronology.
The hubris of the jedi is partly what did it in as shown here. They were so ready to destroy their own to save themselves that they never even suspected they were being played.
Between the three most influential masters on the council, Windu, Obi-Wan, and Yoda, you have the deaf, the blind, and the mute, respectively. Windu's arrogance made him deaf to the ever increasing number of people questioning the Jedi and their involvement not only in the war, but in politics. Obi-Wan's faith in the Order made him blind to any concerns Anakin and Ahsoka had about it, and that it was a symptom of something bigger. Yoda's trust in the force made him unable/unwilling to speak up against the direction the Order was heading under Windu's influence, even when Yoda himself had doubts. After a thousand years without the Sith, the Jedi Order had integrated itself so deeply in the Republic that they couldn't separate themselves even if they wanted to. The Order had become nothing more than a branch of the Republic, literally, sacrificing their purpose and way of life to play politics.
Obi-Wan wasn't blind though, he knew it was wrong but he couldn't fix by himself, he is only one, taking sides could end even worse, he tried to at least keep his vote in Ahsoka's favor. Even on the scene where Ahsoka leaves the Order, Obi-Wan tried to follow, but was held back. That's why Qui-Gon never joined the council, he knew he could do more off than in it, Obi-Wan realizes this, but it was already too late.
Idk, I don't think Obi Wan is blind....He knows the problems...He says it himself to Ahsoka in season 7....He just doesn't want to fight against the council's descisions amidst a *War* !!!!!!
Obi-Wan feels sooooo guilty for not doing anything to help Ahsoka. The entire council was against her except Obi-Wan and Plo Koon (and Yoda was uncertain). Tarkin is such and asshole. There was good in Vader and many of the imperials, but Tarkin was a dick!
Pink Love There's even a deleted scene where Yoda tells Anakin, or strongly implies, that he needs to go find evidence to clear Ahsoka's name. This proves Yoda believed in Ahsoka, but had his hands tied so to speak, so Anakin was her only hope there.
I hate how later they made it seem that anakin is the only one who believed in ahsoka. When obi wan defended her here and knows she didn't do it. Also I'm sure plo koon would never suspect her of anything
It's not that only Anakin believed her, its that only Anakin was willing to help her. The rest just tossed her aside, even Obi Wan didn't lift a finger to help or support her.
"The void between your mastery of lightsaber combat and my own is only comparable to the emptiness in Ki Adi Mundi's head where critical thinking is concerned." -Dooku to Anakin
Obi Wans story in CW always makes me kinda sad. Everyone always want him to do what they want, and he always tries to make them happy, yet they never see that, they just get pissed at him because he didn't do more, even if he didn't have more to give. no one ever thought of how he felt, the only one who somewhat understood was Satine, and he lost her in the most brutal way.
I agree, even Anakin just hates him even though Obi-wan wasn’t part of blaming Ashoka in the Jedi council , he at least tried his best. When s*** happens he gets partial or most of the blame. It’s not fair for him.
What? How did you never realize that? They've said his name a bunch of times before. You either don't pay attention at all, or you're just really really stupid.
@@dolier2802 Dude, they literally said his name multiple times in the Clone wars. It just sounds like you and that guy aren't good listeners. But there's nothing wrong with that, I guess. Not my problem, but I just wanted to point it out. I guess the old saying: "Ignorance is bliss." Really does suit you guys well. Also before you think I'm not calm, I am calm. Just like I was before. And it was really stupid of you to assume I wasn't calm before.
This scene is literally the.primary example of the Dark Side clouding the judgement of the Council. As Tarkin is speaking to them, I can imagine Sidious in the background using some Sith incantations and sorceries to bend the will and decision making of the Council in his favor.
The funny/sad thing is that Palpatine had nothing to do with this part. He even came to regret that this entire arc happened, because it made Anakin/Vader distance himself from Tarkin, since the latter nearly executed his Padawan. Palpatine wanted for his future best followers to get along. The Jedi were already blind and hypocritical long before Palpatine laid a foot on Coruscant.
Crazy that ahsoka literally SAVED this man from the citadel not too long ago and even when he still had his doubts Rex stood up for her. Would’ve liked to see how Rex responded to the situation instead of Fox tasing her.
He said to Anakin in Season 3 Episode 20 "General Skywalker, I stand by my principles no matter what. Besides I need not worry about my career, I have fallen into the favor of The Chancellor. He shall support me." To me, this implies officials (Jedi, Senators etc.) in the Republic don't like Tarkin due to his beliefs and never afraid to state them, but he was only kept around because Palpatine had use for him.
Padmé and Bail Organa are sure to don't like him, prehaps some of their allies as well. That other admiral with black hair and a mustache (Forgot his name), that served with Anakin is also likely to not like Tarkin. We also have Rex, and prehaps Cody and Fives.
i think in the domino squad training episode they talk about how tarkin doesn’t like clones, so that gives a general distaste from them to him, i think they also talk about it in the earlier episodes of the bad batch as well, could be wrong though
This scene perfectly encapsulates why clone wars is the best piece of Star Wars entertainment ever created because it shows us more mature concepts like the Jedi caring more about politics than one of their own and that sometimes the best choices aren’t always made especially in the government . This show is just so well made and is the best animated show ever made in my opinion
This is an excellent example that the Jedi order had abandoned what they claimed to believe in. There death, while tragic, was necessary, as it allowed Luke to take over the order, and he was much closer to what the Jedi were supposed to be.
Dooku had legit beef with how the jedi existed in this era. Having this weird relationship where they exist within the Republic instead of being independent from them. More would've survived an attack like order 66 since it would've come from the outside in rather than how it did.
For how much people like Mace Windu and Yoda poo pooed the Senate and politics saying "We're Jedi, we do our own thing", they sure were super worried about politics in this arc.
The Jedi should have stood with Ashoka in support as Obi Wan and Anakin did. The Jedi whether or not they wanted to realize it become slaves to the Senate and the Chancellor.
This sequence was so frustrating to watch. She was never found in possession of anything. She was found in a warehouse that was storing nano-droids. How could they just assume it was her warehouse? Unreal.
Considering how they so easily cast aside Ahsoka I was glad to see so many of them fall like they did. That was justice against them for not standing by one of their own(Ahsoka) and for pushing away another (Anakin).
Obi Wan is one of the few Jedi you cannot blame for the downfall of the Jedi Order nor can you blame him for Ahsoka leaving because he was sticking by Ahsoka multiple times throughout her trial. He really just got grouped in with the bad jedi.
Yeah you would. Truth is though, he was just another backstabbing worm like everyone else in the senate. He also advocated for humanocentric policies despite the fact that ahsoka saved him.
It kind of grind my gears how extremely gullible, foolish and cowardly the Jedi Council have become, especially Yoda in this Arc and if "The Lawless" wasn't enough to make me despise him, this Arc made me despise him even more because if Yoda didn't recall Anakin and Ahsoka back to the Temple from their mission to Cato Neimoidia, Ahsoka would not have been in this Large mess in the first place. Even it doesn't help that most of the council, including Yoda (with an exception of Plo and Obi-Wan) jump to conclusions that Ahsoka bombed the temple when obviously the bombing occurred when Anakin and Ahsoka were doing their Mission in Cato Neimoidia, it's just like they pretend that Ahsoka's mission didn't happen. This is how I envision how the Council was like when they were to expel Ahsoka: In favor of having Ahsoka Expelled: Mace Windu, Mundi, Saesee Tiin Not against, but were forced to expel her to avoid Scrutiny: Obi-Wan, Yoda, Plo Koon Not against Ahsoka: Kit Fisto No vote: Shaak Ti, Oppo Rancis
How could they not see how evil people were right in their midst but they were so fucking hung up on their "traditions" that the jedi couldn't even sense their enemies around them. My lord.
I think the council is more in the wrong than Tarkin. While Tarkin has no question Ahsoka is guilty, he still wants to have the formal trial and allow her fair representation in court. The council literally throws her under the bus to save themselves
It's one thing for maybe jedi knights or padawans to be misguided but the entire counsel?! Politics clearly guided their decisions at this point and not the force.
May the force guide us, guess the force guide you wrong, yoda got clouded. He is wise but even he got clouded, shows how the clone wars corrupted the force
It's great that Obi-Wan believed that Ahsoka was innocent and tried to go against expelling her. But that doesn't change the fact he didn't do anything else to help her, unlike Anakin, during that fake trial Obi-Wan just stayed silent and let them do it without any arguing and unlike Anakin, he didn't try to find the real culprit and clear her name. So yeah he's not that much better, because Obi-Wan still abandon Ahsoka even though he did believe that she was innocent.
The Jedi council is a democracy, I can't just rebel just because I don't like the decision. I said my piece and then got out voted. Again, I didn't like it but I have to respect democracy and let the majority rule.
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1:34. Obi-Wan's disgust is amazing. He is realising that Qui-Gon was right. He wants to stand by Ahsoka because he believes her. He wants to stand by Anakin because he always has and will. Maybe he thought he could start to change the councils' thinking, but one person can only do so much.
After reading Master and Apprentice your comments hits so much harder
@@Theo-bb6pn I haven't read it, but, I know Qui-Gon was so rebellious because of Dooku. Would Qui-Gon have joined Dooku in AotC? Probably not, he would have seen Dooku going down the dark path, and would have stayed out of the Clone Wars.
@@sergeyoneill1344 I don't think he would've stayed out of the clone wars, but I don't think he'd have allowed Anakin to be turned and would've pushed back against the council far more. The whole book centres around the differences between Obi Wan and Qui Gon, especially the first third - Obi Wan's critical difference, as you know, is that he was far more aligned with the council, and as a padawan he was arrogant and dogmatic.
@@Theo-bb6pn I see, yes, Obi-Wan is certainly more obedient of the council when he was younger. Though it is surprising, considering that it was Qui-Gon accepting Obi-Wan as an apprentice that allowed Obi-Wan to continue his training. Something that he was clearly aware of as it was only with his persistence at keeping Qui-Gon's word to train Anakin. Obi-Wan tells Yoda at the end of PM, that he will train Anakin regardless if the council supports him or not. So, Yoda, not wanting to loose two more jedi (and perhaps the prophesied chosen one) that he relents.
Anikans betrayal was years in the making and was motivated by the apathy of the Jedi council, as was Ashokas decision to not trust them before order 66, pride and apathy created Vader rather than greed or arrogance.
Obi-Wan is one of those rare people who are always right, but no one listens to...
He has the legal right to say “I told you so” whenever he feels like it
In an episode in the next season that council was making a lot of mistakes lately
In this case I don't think he can since he didn't do anything to stop what happened. Anakin even gave him that "WTH" look in the trial.
AdeptKing He disagreed with the decision but respects the rules of the order. He was only one vote. There’s not a lot he COULD do.
@@cameronpugh3586 Ok I'll agree on that but he didn't even try to reassure Anakin and/or Ahsoka afterwards. Granted I doubt either of them would have listened to him at the time.
Cameron Pugh, if Qui-Gon was in Obi-Wan’s place, he would’ve done the exact opposite
Windu: The Council will do as they deem necessary.
Also Windu 2 seconds later: We must do what the Senate says.
Mace Windu one year later: the senate will decide your fate.
@@LysimedVenteel *gets killed by the Senate*
@@guilhermehank4938 *Senate proceeds to slaughter the council*
@@LysimedVenteel year bby 19 starts in the lawless so this is the same year
@@LysimedVenteel I am The Senate.
And here's an example of the honourable Jedi caring more about Politics than Justice.
CyniCat Don't forget their own members too.
I mean, what if a real world religious organization used its influence to try its members internally, rather than through the normal channels. That would seem pretty corrupt.
@Shayan Finally an intelligent comment.
@Shayan well, I will certainly be surprised if in a alternative situation a soldier that kills both jedi and other soldiers, would be judged by a jedi court. Everyone who read some books like Tarkin and thrawn know that what rules in the Republic/Empire is political power. I am not saying that your logical is wrong, i one saying thats is not the problem here.
justice is a mere construct of the current powerbase a base which according to my calculations is about to change.
"A fair trial, Padawan Tano will have."
And Yoda lied.
Nah Yoda only had the name of Grand master but actually he didn’t have the power. The power went to Mace and that Mundi guy
This haunted him forever, as seen in season 6 episode 12
Remember when Ahsoka saved Tarkin’s life?
He sure as hell doesn’t
I’m so glad he died when Luke blew up the Death Star
@@s.nifrum4580 Me too Tarkin is a Character I hate just as much as Windu.
@@s.nifrum4580 the empire made a shitty doctrine from this idiot
Yoda: "may the force guide us"
Seems more like politics are guiding the jedi at this point
not to get into a whole thing, but the jedi really let their belief of the force blind them in so many situations. the dark side was much "better" in the sense that the sith used elements of both the light & the dark to get what they want, not blind faith. the council should've stood up for their padawan despite the risks
IfYouDontAgreeFUCKU it's the will of the force to let the Jedi make every decision which lead to its downfall
IfYouDontAgreeFUCKU I feel it was the will of the people that interfered with the Jedi. The fact that they were following the will of the Republic instead of the Force itself is what I believe to be the downfall of the Jedi.
I agree completely, Tom Bombadil.
Tasav Youre more right than you know..... One huge part of the reasons the jedi fell was thay they became too involved in politics. They became arrogant and righteous (with some exceptioms of course), and became far too clinical for an order than should be more mystical. midicholrians are a great example. The Jedi 9f that tike thought they culd quantify the force, thought they could make a strict system of training that worked for all, and forgot that the Force is far more. Yoda learned this by the time he got the Dagobah. In fact he realized in in the middle of hos fight with Sidious in the Senate hall. He realized the Jedi hadnt lost the day of Order 66, or the day of the rise of the Empire, but they had lost decades earlier, by losing themselves and what they were supposed to be.
I love how obi wan wanted to side with ahsoka
Obi Wan is a real one
@@alexanderjavier5237 yep
He's the only Jedi I actually respect.
@@ShadowCammando24 yup.... He really loved Anakin and Ahsoka.... But he put the council ahead of his personal feelings
I guess wanted never translated into doing.
At least tarkin gets blown up 20 years later
REVENGE BABY WOOOOOO
Sad
No! He shouldn't have been blown up on the Death Star! It was wrong!...
He should have ben arrested and forced to watch in misery as his pathetic Death Star was destroyed before being executed!
Karma son
@@RyanTheDark You had us in the first half, not gonna lie.
Another dumb decision by the Jedi Council, this pushed Anakin closer to the Dark Side
Ciaran McGuinness They really did make their bed and ended up lying in it. It's funny, because this is all cause for Anakin to hate the Jedi; Palpatine outwardly showed him kindness, compassion and that he cares, regardless of whether or not be actually did or just saw him as a tool to use. Meanwhile, a lot of the high ranking Jedi ignored, doubted, or ostracized him to a degree while dismissing his struggles from his childhood, and actually using him as a tool of war. It's easy to see how people in-universe can look at the Jedi and think they're evil; if you didn't know who was good/evil beforehand and just look at how they treated people you'd think it was the other way around.
dbstewart86 Not to mention the Jedi had become complaceant and the used the Force for themselves to help the Republic, they were constantly contradicting themselves and they were corrupt and so overconfident that they couldnt see that Palpatine was a Sith Lord when he was standing right in front of them during meetings, they also didnt do anything to help matters when they made Anakin ,a clearly highly emotional and hormonal teenager at that time even Obi Wan could sense that, Padmes bodyguard almost ensuring that he would fall in love with her, They made some major mistakes during the Clone Wars, and while on that subject they themselves said "We are keepers of the Peace not soldiers" well they were all bloody Generals of Entire Starfleets, I know there was a war but they choose to use the Force to help the Republic, rather than let things play out as the Force willed it but their biggest mistake was constantly bellittling Anakin instead of nurturing his knowledge,skill and power and he was supposed to be the Chosen One yet they all (Except Obi Wan) treated him like shit
Ciaran McGuinness, Sounds a hell of a lot like Vietnam to me.
+Enterprising Captian Omg this made me lol
It saved her life though, If she had stayed she would have died in Order 66
If Anakin was there during this moment, the heads would roll in this chamber early than the Revenge of the Sith
He would have ended up drawing his lightsaber and received force pushes and force judgement from all over the room 😂😂
@@adzz4707 I feel Anakin’s fury may have overpowered that if that happened. At this point, I think it would take more than a force push, even by multiple Jedi to stop Anakin’s rage on them.
@@regulusking4299 as much as I love anakin I think he would get clapped against the Jedi council, yoda and mace would put him down as if mace had the strength to take down fully trained sidious I think he could take on angry new sith
@@adzz4707 That’s fair.
@@adzz4707 unless he catches them off guard with a burst of rage. If at least one of them can read Anakin's first move and predict the burst, Anakin loses. Otherwise Anakin would end the order right then and there with a mass force push or something
Mace Windu has always had it out for Anakin, and sometimes it feels like he expanded that distrust and disliking toward Ahsoka. If Qui-Gon were there he would have talked sense into them. He knew that the Order had become so obsessed with staying "unattached" that they wouldn't even stand with eachother. Qui-Gon was a true Jedi.
Qui-Gon is more of the embodiment of the light side as he trusts only in the force and actually trusts in it compared to the council where they say it but are blinded by politics
So tired of hearing that bullshit. Windu has never had it out for Anakin. EVER. Windu has a lot more important shit to do than to make Anakin happy. Hell everyone on the council was coerced into banning Ahsoka by Tarkin, not just Windu. Just because Windu says that one line that's taken out for context every single time doesn't mean Windu hates Anakin, at all.
Windu never had it out for Anakin; he was just the Council's spokesperson. No one else had the balls to say what they believed, so that fell to Windu. Don't get me wrong; he's just as much to blame for Anakin's fall to the dark side as the other members on the council, because the Jedi were, at their very core, corrupt.
*SPACE JESUS*
@@xrstevenson Rewatch Revenge of the Sith. Windu literally flat out says: "I don't trust him [Anakin]". Also, "If what you told me is true, you would gain my trust."
Mace Windu trying to look cool: The council will act as we deem necessary
Also Windu: Heq, we can't make ourselves look bad in front of a bunch of politicians over something as silly as mOrALs
true i like him in the movies but this is scene made me hate him for ever
@@demonwolf5586 It’s more of his character and not really a flaw. In the movies we don’t see much of him other than him using his purple lightsaber and fighting. Here more shows his true how he’s just rude to everyone
@@demonwolf5586i hate windu
All my homies hate windu
Also, he didn't even apologize to Ahsoka at the end. Pretentious asshole.
"Did it ever occur to you Master Windu that this was the council's trial and Anakin was the only one who passed?"
@@mechengr1731 and on top of this the next time he sees Ahsoka, he acts like an a**hole to her by saying they don't need the help of a "civilian"
Meanwhile in another universe in another galaxy far far away...
Mace: The Council recognizes The Senate has made a decision, but given that it’s a stupid-ass decision, The Council has elected to ignore it.
The perfect universe.
Alt universe based windu
People are always blaming the entire Jedi council for expelling Ahsoka but I think this scene makes if very clear that not all the Jedi were in agreement and that I especially vigorously defended her.
yes u did that is why u are one of the best jedi
#standwithahsoka
It was so uncivilized of them.
As always, Obi-wan has the moral high ground
But obi wan was the only was not blaming Ashoka, that idiot ki adi Mundi and sassee tin wanted to get rid of her. The Jedi council should be smart enough and wise enough to know that Ashoka was too kind and pure of heart to commit a crime like that
I never noticed it before, but at 0:26 Obi-Wan’s face just screams “The F*ck you just say?!”
"Oh dear, I dont like where this is going. I need an aspirin before dealing with Anakin."
Yeah, this is why I often imagine either Anakin or Obi wan doing that thing Kratos did to Helios. Or what the Mountain did to the Red Viper.
Even Yoda’s body language looks like he’s listening to a 🤡 and can’t believe this guy was allowed to speak his piece in front of the council
Poor Obi-Wan...
He needs more love...
Btw his expression is really something we can take notice of
Aren’t you glad Ahsoka *saved his life* not even a year before this
This is What if where Ahsoka didn't save him.
ruclips.net/video/iV_a8_AOT2g/видео.html
And this is how he repays her. By destroying her life.
Real dick move on Tarkin’s part and makes his death in a New Hope all the more satisfying
I was thinking that too
The Senate requests that Ahsoka Tano be indicted for acts of treason against the Republic.
All jedi are weak and spineless, therefore they must be purged from existence.
@@ShadowCammando24 i agree they deserved it kicking out the best jedi
I gived the 66th like u know the rules boys.
I am the swag senate
@@darthbane6225 good soldiers follow orders
It's been said that Obi-Wan, Plo Koon, and Yoda voted against expelling Ahsoka, but were outvoted. At least a few Jedi had common sense.
From where did you get that? However seems very likely. One of the few council member with somewhat like a heart.
Yoda? No. He is a slave of politics himself
plo koon was one of the few good ones
@@Jestiii aren’t we all
@@laettaextrafit5607 from extraas script
I want to hug Obi Wan now 😪
Me to
He is dejected.... He had just lost Satine and now he was on verge of losing Ahsoka.... And more importantly Anakin
I appreciate the sentiment.
The only reason I’m able to sit through Tarkin’s bullshit is that Luke kills him in the OT
Took away Anakin’s padawan, killed by Anakin’s son
Love that
Yep sweat karma
@@just1girl846
Ahsoka also *saved his life* in the citadel episode
Ungrateful bitch
@@s.nifrum4580 Even Barriss has more gratitude towards Ahsoka. I feel like that she intended to frame another Jedi, but when Letta requested to be questioned by Ahsoka, Barriss had crossed the Rubicon.
@Kato Ho Ten Soeng we aint angry at him we angry at the idiots on the council
@Kato Ho Ten Soeng ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? He also had a very harsh approach against Ahsoka
Tarkin: the Star Wars Poster child of making problems happen to advance the plot lol
This scene always pisses me off. I hate that the council just throws Ahsoka under a bus. The evidence was circumstancial at best. They didn't even try to use the Force to see who was really behind the attacks. So much for Jedi loyalty.😤
Yep
Although I agree with you, I must point out that at time the dark side prevented them from seeing through the force so after years of relying upon this they were walking completely blind during the clone wars, and because of that (I think so at least) their opinions were worth little more than a simple Jedi knight's
well evidence is nano droid explosives found in her possession, the murder of the clones at the military prison, breaking out of a secure military installation, may have been seen with Ventress via a security camera, death of letta via force means. Thats...alot of circumstantial evidence stacked against her. Isn't there something about if you are innocent, why run? If she stayed and never left, all they have got is a holo recording of her strangling Letta and that is about it. Rest of it wouldn't have happened. Dead clones fine but no evidence of who killed them before Ashoka stumbled onto their bodies and her lightsabers by them.
The evidence, though circumstancial, does not stack in her favour
@@mudyao
Finally some logic, people just don’t want to admit that Ahsoka was the one that dug her own grave in every way, same thing with Anakin.
Plot hole is why not read her mind? She’s innoscent so she’s be happy to let them.
What always pissed me off about this arc is that Ahsoka had a perfectly good alibi to defend herself with: She was engaged in a battle halfway across the galaxy with her master when the temple had been attacked and was TASKED by the council itself to investigate said attack.
They got her on busting out of jail and murder but not Treason. But the Treason is the only one everyone talks about.
You’re right that she couldn’t have been the actual bomber, but they were looking for the mastermind of the temple bombing. The actual bomber, Letta Turmond confessed that a Jedi helped her plan it and supplied her with the nano-droids.
@@jeffreymeehan3116 well busting out of jail was justified and I’m pretty Ashoka never killed anyone
@@ShazzledWolf32 vader did more in jedi temple much more
@@viniciuscardoso8056 yes massacred everyone killed younglings yadda yadda yadda I know
0:44 you can hear a bit of imperial march. Im loving the details.
Obi-Wan: Surely, we can't do what Tarkin suggests!
Council: Hold our beer!
Obi Wans hate is rising every second Tarkin Talks
Yoda: ''Execute her right now we should''
Anakin ''What?!''
Yoda ''what?''
Mace is always so tough saying "the council will do as it pleases", then they proceed to do exactly as they were requested
With characters such as Tarkin it makes you feel great when he dies on the Death Star because of all the terrible things he did leading up to that point.
Here’s a question, or a flaw in Tarkin’s logic that the council failed to recognize: If Ahsoka was expelled from the order before her trial then she was also stripped of her military rank. How can she then be tried as a military officer ?
Also why Senate needed to expel Ahsoka in the first place? Jedi Order was always semi-autonomous (they could train and govern themselves how they liked) and they answered only to the Senate itself. So if Senate > Jedi, then expulsion wasn't needed, create a comission or take Ahsoka to the courts (which Palpatine already has under control as Windu states to Anakin shortly before his death). So any trial would be biased, but it wouldn't look like Jedi were throwing Ahsoka under bus to cover themselves, which obviously made very ugly impression on her and especially Anakin, a *huge* factor in his later turn.
Master Exploder Not sure I’m following. Do you mind restating?
@@cameronpugh3586 Senate and Tarkin wanted Ahsoka to be expelled, so she could stand trial before military court, which suggests that Jedi enjoyed special benefits and couldn't be judged otherwise. However Jedi Order as organization was always answering to the Senate, so why it was necessary?
Master Exploder Ah I see...my guess would be that perhaps since Ahsoka’s military rank is a product of her status as a Jedi, she would have a Jedi trial by default (as Yoda suggests) rather than a military trial before the Senate. So I guess in order to try her NOT as a Jedi, she had to be expelled from the Order first.
Like you say, the Order was always semi autonomous. They answered to the Senate to a degree, but they had a lot of independence and discretion. One of the products of the Clone Wars was that this discretion got gradually eroded as the Jedi became wrapped up in the war.
It’s important to note that the council COULD have refused Tarkin’s request and chose not to because it would have been politically inconvenient. But it was certainly within their power. There’s another instance in the show, when Cad Bane steals the holocron, where Mace and Obi Wan resist a request by Palpatine to update him on their progress. They claim it’s an “internal Jedi affair.” Anakin makes the argument that because of the Jedi’s military involvement, they had a duty to report to the chancellor, even on internal affairs. This suggests that before the war, the Jedi enjoyed a pretty high degree of privilege and discretion to operate with or without the knowledge/approval of the overarching government. The war makes this politically messy, so they begin answering to the Senate more and more.
It seems to me that they answered to the Senate not necessarily because they legally had to, but because it was politically the smartest thing to do at the time. So it seems likely that if this had taken place during peace time, no one would have challenged the Council’s authority to try one of its own.
@@cameronpugh3586 Honestly, Tarkin probably just wanted the Jedi publically humiliated, and Ahsoka was a good patsy.
"Public opinion is turning against the Jedi." Jeez they can't catch a break. In Kotor people got mad at them for not wanting to get involved in the Mandalorian Wars and in here they got mad because they got involved in the war right away.
You're comparing apples and oranges. The Mandalorians were genociding planets, all the Separatists wanted was to leave the Republic
Sarah Luise
Leave the Republic and take over inhabited planets, as we see all throughout the Clone Wars.
@@AbysmalRandomn3ss That's the Wars part of Clone Wars. Separatists didn't want the war, it was the Jedi who first attacked on Geonosis
Sarah Luise
You mean the Separatists first attacked and attempted to occupy Naboo so the response was a Republic action.
@@AbysmalRandomn3ss CIS didn't exist when the Invasion of Naboo happened
I feel like three things could've turned the council's decision in Ashoka's expulsion
1. Anakin being there
2. Plo Koon being there
3. Obi-Wan asking himself what would Qui-Gon do(which would most likely be fight harder for Ashoka)
Plo koon was there
@@gloriavalencia6288 oh he was being really quiet especially considering that the closest thing he had to a daughter was being accused of Treason
Obi stayed on the council to try and some good. the only reason to why Anakin was allowed to investigate was because Obi was on the council. if he did like Qui-gon, then he would have no influence at all.
@@Fl3XeR4 Except Qui-Gon's outside the box thinking worked
@@lukethegoldenminecart1297 it was before the war. Even qui Gon wouldn't be able to do shit in this time.
Yoda was supposed to be the wisest master, but he had to pass it to Ki-Adi-Mundi and Mace who one of them is very arrogant to others.
And the other is a psychopath.
Shaak Ti looks just as upset if you pause it when it pans near her.
“The true legacy of the Jedi is failure, hypocrisy, hubris”
Luke was talking nonsense in that scene. I literally defended Ahsoka in that room but Luke criticized me too in that next sentence. Luke was flat out misrepresenting history and willfully ignoring all the good the Jedi had done.
No one said we were prefect, but the good far out weighted the bad so for Luke to say our legacy is failure, hypocrisy, and hubris is flat out lie and it's a major reason why people say he was acting out of character in the Last Jedi. Rian Johnson didn't understand the Jedi and he projected this ignorance on to Luke.
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi Luke was just a mouthpiece for a commentary that was oversimplifying the prequel era. Palpatine clouded the Jedi’s judgment
@@stopreadingmyusernamebroth9090 the Jedi were completely oblivious to the fact that there was a sith crystal beneath the temple fucking up their connection to the force and blinding them from Palpatine. I’d say Luke, however scuffed Rian made his character, wasn’t oversimplifying
@@alixir3010 it really doesn’t add anything aside from a prequel pandering in my opinion
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi Listen man, I don't like Luke's depiction in the Last Jedi but that line is one of the most insightful in all of the movies. The Jedi are ultimately the ones who paved the way for Palpatine's rise because they straight up began forgoing the ideals of the Jedi. They failed to properly console Anakin even though they were well aware of his struggle with the dark side, they consistently broke their own dogmatic doctrines by bending to the will of the Senate and became generals in a war they shouldn't have fought, and they were arrogant enough to become generals despite a majority of the Jedi within the order not being suited for military leadership as well as believe they could end the war before Palpatine enacted his plans. While the Jedi did do good, their legacy is their failure because that is what they left behind after their fall with the rise of the Empire and all of the atrocities it would commit.
Mace: "I'm *afraid* we have little choice."
Yoda: "... Ya know what they say about fear, right?"
I never trusted Tarkin from the moment I first met him. I almost wish he did escape before the Death Star was destroyed. Just so I could see the look of defeat on his face.
You weren't alive when he died...
Nerf Fire he was a force ghost he sees everything
Who the heck will trust Tarkin
If Tarkin survived, Vader or Sidious would kill him which would satisfied me.
RyanSquad if Tarkin survived the Death Star Leia should be the one to kill him
the jedi are so considerate they are basically gift wrapping anakin and just giving him to palpatine at this point
People say Palpatine brainwashed anakin yet in almost everything Palpatine says is true. Everything he said about the Jedi was absolutely 100 percent true
Edgy bullshit.
Brainwashing never comes from lies. It’s always half truths and real problems that cause anger, which of course Palpatine manipulated into resentment
@@NormanOsborned call it edgy all you want but maybe pay attention to the stroy. literally in this scene the jedi are more concerned with their image than justice for one of their own. the jedi were corrupting themselves by involving themselves in politics. they became a weapon for the republic instead of impartial peacekeepers. picking a side in the war is completely counterintuitive to the jedi ideals. more concerned with war and control than balance and justice lead to their own downfall. palpatine was right, just a villain.
@@NormanOsbornedno it's literally what happened even EP 3 when Anakin and Palpatine are in the opera Palpatine says that the Jedi will try to take over the Senate just one couple of scenes later mace suggests that and the only member to oppose is Yoda
@@jaco1592we did pay attention to the story instead of meat riding. The jedi did nothing wrong. Anakin is a cringy whiner
Yoda: "May the Force guide us."
Cosmic Force: Um yeah, about that...decades ago, we sent out force visions of these events to Jedi with precog abilities. You locked them all up for being crazy (going against the grand agenda) and spreading fear ("succumbing" to the dark side) and never looked back. You guys are on your own.
Living Force: We gave the chosen one to Qui-Gon, the only Jedi with any sense, and you let him die. As a result, Obi-Won took in Anakin out of obligation and didn't raise him correctly. Meanwhile Dooku got Hoodwinked into joining the Sith after realizing that the Council sat on their collective butts and let Jin die. You're on your own.
The Counsil: Our connection to the Force has been greatly diminished over the last few years, but surely the force is still on our side. Also Politics.
Me: Why are you guys so dumb?
Wow thanks!
Yes finally someone said it
Darth Sidious: *cha-cha real smooth*
The order needed to either change or be destroyed by it and we all know it took two digits the solve that question
LOL XD
This right here was what really what put Anakin on the path to betraying the Jedi more than anything else. I think the crises with Padme was just the straw that broke the camel's back. The Clone Wars enriched the Prequel Trilogy so much that they have to be seen in a completely different light when all is viewed in it's proper chronology.
"The trial of Ahsoka by the Jedi will be seen as biased. Therefore we demand that you submit her to our biased inquiry instead."
The hubris of the jedi is partly what did it in as shown here. They were so ready to destroy their own to save themselves that they never even suspected they were being played.
The Sith are cruel, but the Jedi are arrogant even with their own members.
Between the three most influential masters on the council, Windu, Obi-Wan, and Yoda, you have the deaf, the blind, and the mute, respectively. Windu's arrogance made him deaf to the ever increasing number of people questioning the Jedi and their involvement not only in the war, but in politics. Obi-Wan's faith in the Order made him blind to any concerns Anakin and Ahsoka had about it, and that it was a symptom of something bigger. Yoda's trust in the force made him unable/unwilling to speak up against the direction the Order was heading under Windu's influence, even when Yoda himself had doubts.
After a thousand years without the Sith, the Jedi Order had integrated itself so deeply in the Republic that they couldn't separate themselves even if they wanted to. The Order had become nothing more than a branch of the Republic, literally, sacrificing their purpose and way of life to play politics.
Underrated comment. Well said. I love the Jedi but the Council was definitely more concerned with playing politics most of the time.
Obi-Wan wasn't blind though, he knew it was wrong but he couldn't fix by himself, he is only one, taking sides could end even worse, he tried to at least keep his vote in Ahsoka's favor. Even on the scene where Ahsoka leaves the Order, Obi-Wan tried to follow, but was held back. That's why Qui-Gon never joined the council, he knew he could do more off than in it, Obi-Wan realizes this, but it was already too late.
Idk, I don't think Obi Wan is blind....He knows the problems...He says it himself to Ahsoka in season 7....He just doesn't want to fight against the council's descisions amidst a *War* !!!!!!
@@geetadhumane5793is like theoden in return of the king like he saw what was gonna happen and to nothing
What a beautiful comment
Obi-Wan feels sooooo guilty for not doing anything to help Ahsoka. The entire council was against her except Obi-Wan and Plo Koon (and Yoda was uncertain). Tarkin is such and asshole. There was good in Vader and many of the imperials, but Tarkin was a dick!
Tarkin*
Well Obi-Wan was technically Ahsoka's master too
you forgot anikan he believed in her innocense to the end and went to such lengths to prove her innocents
Sean OBrien Anakin is not a councilmember yet though, at this point.
Pink Love There's even a deleted scene where Yoda tells Anakin, or strongly implies, that he needs to go find evidence to clear Ahsoka's name. This proves Yoda believed in Ahsoka, but had his hands tied so to speak, so Anakin was her only hope there.
Sideous did well wiping the old and corrupted Jedi “Masters” off the galaxy.
"And in our decision, may the Force guide us" and they don't realize that they have lost the guide of the Force already from a very long time
1:19 so you're giving up ashoka to regain the Senate's trust.
Mfw Tarkin forgets Ahsoka saved his life from an angry separatist who was about to throw him in lava and decides she's the enemy
He didn't forget. He doesn't care.
@@Steriodsman1 sounds about right
F*** you trakin
Tarkin deserved way worse. The Jedi Council deserved way better.
@@arthurfortes8398 both are fools and cowards
I hate how later they made it seem that anakin is the only one who believed in ahsoka. When obi wan defended her here and knows she didn't do it. Also I'm sure plo koon would never suspect her of anything
Plo actually expressed his doubt in an earlier council meeting regarding the accusations against Ahsoka
It's not that only Anakin believed her, its that only Anakin was willing to help her. The rest just tossed her aside, even Obi Wan didn't lift a finger to help or support her.
Had Qui Gon been there, he''d have been utterly pissed.
He definitely would have been. Anakin would have been worse though.
"The void between your mastery of lightsaber combat and my own is only comparable to the emptiness in Ki Adi Mundi's head where critical thinking is concerned." -Dooku to Anakin
Where's that line from?
@@sambridgers9543 I think it’s from the Revenge of the Sith novel
Anakin is not going to like this
No he was angry when he found out
Totally agree
That's an understatement.
Last Jedi had its problems, but the one thing I applaud it for was recognizing the Jedi fucked up.
Obi Wans story in CW always makes me kinda sad. Everyone always want him to do what they want, and he always tries to make them happy, yet they never see that, they just get pissed at him because he didn't do more, even if he didn't have more to give. no one ever thought of how he felt, the only one who somewhat understood was Satine, and he lost her in the most brutal way.
I agree, even Anakin just hates him even though Obi-wan wasn’t part of blaming Ashoka in the Jedi council , he at least tried his best. When s*** happens he gets partial or most of the blame. It’s not fair for him.
I never realized that was tarkin lmao
What? How did you never realize that? They've said his name a bunch of times before. You either don't pay attention at all, or you're just really really stupid.
@@dolier2802 Not really, but okay.
@@dolier2802 Dude, they literally said his name multiple times in the Clone wars. It just sounds like you and that guy aren't good listeners. But there's nothing wrong with that, I guess. Not my problem, but I just wanted to point it out. I guess the old saying: "Ignorance is bliss." Really does suit you guys well. Also before you think I'm not calm, I am calm. Just like I was before. And it was really stupid of you to assume I wasn't calm before.
SOLDIER_66 uh no. whether or not he’s overreacting is irrelevant. you don’t deserve that type of hostility from such a shithead.
Sane
This scene is literally the.primary example of the Dark Side clouding the judgement of the Council.
As Tarkin is speaking to them, I can imagine Sidious in the background using some Sith incantations and sorceries to bend the will and decision making of the Council in his favor.
The funny/sad thing is that Palpatine had nothing to do with this part.
He even came to regret that this entire arc happened, because it made Anakin/Vader distance himself from Tarkin, since the latter nearly executed his Padawan. Palpatine wanted for his future best followers to get along.
The Jedi were already blind and hypocritical long before Palpatine laid a foot on Coruscant.
Crazy that ahsoka literally SAVED this man from the citadel not too long ago and even when he still had his doubts Rex stood up for her. Would’ve liked to see how Rex responded to the situation instead of Fox tasing her.
He probably would’ve told Ashoka to stand down and kept his blasters set to stun in case she tried to run
This is why there are people in the galaxy, like Trace and Rafa, that are losing faith in the Jedi
This scene really makes me question the competence of the council.
I thought Mace Windu was one of the Jedi who thought they were too involved in politics
I cannot understand why Plo didn't speak up on Ahsoka's behalf...
Revenge of the sith
I always wonder if clones, other admirals, and senators hated Tarkin. I'm just thinking that maybe he wasn't well liked in the Republic.
He said to Anakin in Season 3 Episode 20 "General Skywalker, I stand by my principles no matter what. Besides I need not worry about my career, I have fallen into the favor of The Chancellor. He shall support me." To me, this implies officials (Jedi, Senators etc.) in the Republic don't like Tarkin due to his beliefs and never afraid to state them, but he was only kept around because Palpatine had use for him.
Padmé and Bail Organa are sure to don't like him, prehaps some of their allies as well. That other admiral with black hair and a mustache (Forgot his name), that served with Anakin is also likely to not like Tarkin. We also have Rex, and prehaps Cody and Fives.
i think in the domino squad training episode they talk about how tarkin doesn’t like clones, so that gives a general distaste from them to him, i think they also talk about it in the earlier episodes of the bad batch as well, could be wrong though
Jedi Council - "May the force guide us."
Also Jedi Council - (does whatever the Senate tells them to do)
This scene perfectly encapsulates why clone wars is the best piece of Star Wars entertainment ever created because it shows us more mature concepts like the Jedi caring more about politics than one of their own and that sometimes the best choices aren’t always made especially in the government . This show is just so well made and is the best animated show ever made in my opinion
The whole arc was emotional but you got to admit Obi-Wan looks flawless in this thumbnail 👍
0:41 you can hear the imperial march
This is an excellent example that the Jedi order had abandoned what they claimed to believe in. There death, while tragic, was necessary, as it allowed Luke to take over the order, and he was much closer to what the Jedi were supposed to be.
Obi-Wan mockingly mimicking Tarkin's rolling 'r' when saying 'represent'.
Dooku had legit beef with how the jedi existed in this era. Having this weird relationship where they exist within the Republic instead of being independent from them. More would've survived an attack like order 66 since it would've come from the outside in rather than how it did.
For how much people like Mace Windu and Yoda poo pooed the Senate and politics saying "We're Jedi, we do our own thing", they sure were super worried about politics in this arc.
"The senate believes that an internal jedi trial would seem biased"
so palps believes that.
The Jedi should have stood with Ashoka in support as Obi Wan and Anakin did. The Jedi whether or not they wanted to realize it become slaves to the Senate and the Chancellor.
Yep
Love how Palpitine planned out Ashoka’s demise from the Council furthering Anakins Dark Side
All of that made Tarkins death much more satisfying,20 years later.
Master Yoda, you said: "A fair Trial Ashoka will have."
The lie detector said....
That was lie!
This sequence was so frustrating to watch. She was never found in possession of anything. She was found in a warehouse that was storing nano-droids. How could they just assume it was her warehouse? Unreal.
Windu: The senate will make up its own mind who to expel from the order. Not the council.
Yoda:may the force guiding us
Me:more like the politics guiding the jedi
The voice actor playing Tarkin did an amazing job here. He sounds exactly like the late Peter Cushing!
Shoutout to Stephen Stanton for this. He also does an amazing impersonation of Alec Guinness in Rebels as Ben Kenobi.
just like those who sat and did nothing when the mandos wars were going leading revan down his path along with many other who answered the call
You may fire (her) when ready
Considering how they so easily cast aside Ahsoka I was glad to see so many of them fall like they did. That was justice against them for not standing by one of their own(Ahsoka) and for pushing away another (Anakin).
Obi wan tried to tell everyone that ahsoka is innocent
Tarkin deeply hated them, all this time
The Arrogance of Mace Windu knows no Limits
Tarkin: Expell Ahsoka. The Senate says so.
Jedi council: No.
Written and directed by George Lucas.
Obi Wan is one of the few Jedi you cannot blame for the downfall of the Jedi Order nor can you blame him for Ahsoka leaving because he was sticking by Ahsoka multiple times throughout her trial. He really just got grouped in with the bad jedi.
Since Ahsoka saves Tarkin’s life less than a year before, you’d think that maybe he’d at least give her the benefit of the doubt.
Yeah you would. Truth is though, he was just another backstabbing worm like everyone else in the senate. He also advocated for humanocentric policies despite the fact that ahsoka saved him.
It kind of grind my gears how extremely gullible, foolish and cowardly the Jedi Council have become, especially Yoda in this Arc and if "The Lawless" wasn't enough to make me despise him, this Arc made me despise him even more because if Yoda didn't recall Anakin and Ahsoka back to the Temple from their mission to Cato Neimoidia, Ahsoka would not have been in this Large mess in the first place.
Even it doesn't help that most of the council, including Yoda (with an exception of Plo and Obi-Wan) jump to conclusions that Ahsoka bombed the temple when obviously the bombing occurred when Anakin and Ahsoka were doing their Mission in Cato Neimoidia, it's just like they pretend that Ahsoka's mission didn't happen.
This is how I envision how the Council was like when they were to expel Ahsoka:
In favor of having Ahsoka Expelled: Mace Windu, Mundi, Saesee Tiin
Not against, but were forced to expel her to avoid Scrutiny: Obi-Wan, Yoda, Plo Koon
Not against Ahsoka: Kit Fisto
No vote: Shaak Ti, Oppo Rancis
Still... This moment saved Asoka!
Thanks Tarkin.
How could they not see how evil people were right in their midst but they were so fucking hung up on their "traditions" that the jedi couldn't even sense their enemies around them. My lord.
I think the council is more in the wrong than Tarkin. While Tarkin has no question Ahsoka is guilty, he still wants to have the formal trial and allow her fair representation in court. The council literally throws her under the bus to save themselves
Exactly! Why are people so quick to hate on Tarkin?! He wanted the Jedi Order to stay out of political matters.
Both are to blame
Tarkin was the one to put a gun to the Council's balls in the first place. If anything, the Jedi are getting more crap for this than Tarkin.
This is why Anakin hated the council so much. They got what they deserved. Order 66 was justified
That's too far sith lord, should you be betrayed and executed by your friends for every mistake you made?
It's one thing for maybe jedi knights or padawans to be misguided but the entire counsel?! Politics clearly guided their decisions at this point and not the force.
May the force guide us, guess the force guide you wrong, yoda got clouded. He is wise but even he got clouded, shows how the clone wars corrupted the force
It's great that Obi-Wan believed that Ahsoka was innocent and tried to go against expelling her. But that doesn't change the fact he didn't do anything else to help her, unlike Anakin, during that fake trial Obi-Wan just stayed silent and let them do it without any arguing and unlike Anakin, he didn't try to find the real culprit and clear her name. So yeah he's not that much better, because Obi-Wan still abandon Ahsoka even though he did believe that she was innocent.
The Jedi council is a democracy, I can't just rebel just because I don't like the decision. I said my piece and then got out voted. Again, I didn't like it but I have to respect democracy and let the majority rule.
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi You also could've went with Anakin to help prove Ahsoka's innocence.
@@juliemcintyre428 It would still be disobeying the council's orders, the main reason Qui-Gon never joined the council, things like that would happen
@@juliemcintyre428 Lol obi wan did enough when he didn't snitch about anakin and padme
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi bro obi wan here spittin facts
so much for the force guiding them. it guided ahsoka to leave