John Carter Of Mars Origins - A Pulp Sci-fi Hero And His Enigmatic Universe Unraveled
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- Опубликовано: 12 окт 2021
- Much before the first world war and the coining of the term science fiction, many writers like Jules Verne and H. G. Wells had started penning down pieces of literature that were fit to be called science-fiction. In 1911, Edgar Rice Burroughs joined the ranks with his story titled Under the Moons of Mars, which depicted a cavalryman of the Confederacy of the United States fighting against the Union of the Northern States. This man, John Carter, found his way into a mysterious cave and sniffed a gas that rendered his physical body immobile, but his astral projection found itself on Mars. On Mars, however, he was alive in another body and was seemingly stronger and more agile because he was accustomed to the stronger gravitational pull of Earth. John Carter partook in several adventures siding with Martians against other Martians. He ultimately got married to a Martian Princess named Dejah Thoris and became the Prince, only to return forcefully to Earth and travel back to Mars at a later point in time. His love affair with Dejah Thoris led to the evolution of a sub-genre in literature called Interplanetary Romance. A prime example of this would be the affair between Marvel’s Star-Lord and Gamora, daughter of Thanos. Despite being a famous pop culture icon of North America and having a backstory and setting worthy of being turned into a film, the appreciation for Edgar Burroughs’s work is long overdue. In this video, we will deep dive into every possible aspect of this legendary hero, who went on to influence several of the mainstream DC and Marvel heroes and also set the stage for interplanetary warfare and cultural exchange. Let’s begin, shall we?
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I really enjoyed this movie- it’s a shame that it wasn’t more popular and successful. My father, who sadly passed away two days after Christmas 2020, also really liked it- he had been a fan of the character when he was a kid (he was born in 1941), and it was something that we were able to both appreciate together. Thanks for the video!
Agreed.It's really underrated.
A lot of people criticized this movie unfairly or harshly. Jeremy Jahns, a youtube film critic that I used to have a lot of respect for gave it a nonsensically bad review and included it in his worst films of 2011 list. Hell, I even feel partially responsible for the films negative reputation, I read the books back in 2010 when the movie was getting word around and being a sci-fi fan I was really interested in watching it. But I had a really bad day when I went to see the movie in theaters (mostly by teenage personal drama bullshit), and I just didn’t have a good time with it.
But I was able to rewatch the movie thanks to platforms like Redbox and such giving me the opportunity to rewatch it, I had a much better time loved it! I truly feel that this movie is the Flash Gordon of my generation, where a classic hero is adapted in a movie that was both overshadowed and unfairly criticized as bad and outdated, it’s only a matter of time before people discover this fact.
I'm sorry for your loss (and you're right the movie is awesome)
Watched it in theaters it was amazing. Reading the books now which of course are more in depth and even better. plus you can get them for super cheap
My condolences. It was a great work of writing.
I still think that the marketing botched the film.
They should have sold it as John Carter of Mars, and emphasised that he was the original source of all the heroic science/fantasy fiction we love.
I read some as a kid, but forgotten more than I can remember, but other fellow sci-fi fans who know it, consider the film a good adaptation that is broadly faithful.
This movie is a cinematic wonder. If it was marketed better, it would have definitely made more money and the sequels would have been green lit.
Tbf the film made just less than 250 mill in box office revenue. It just wasn’t a great film. It was actually a critical flop which is the main reason a sequel isn’t a thought
Agreed.If Disney wasn't trying to sabotage the film .It would of made money.
@@nape7373 Using money as a measure of quality is very shallow; most people cannot appreciate a good film unless they are told to. It was a great film; the effects were fantastic and the story was classic. The main limiting factor was the marketing and the lack of will on Disney's end to promote the movie. It seems that Disney's acquiring Star Wars and Marvel had more to do with the movie not doing well; Disney didn't want to spread its resources thin to invest in too many IP's. Hence, they killed John Carter off.
@@TheSocratesofAthensThe story was too simple & not THAT great, as many people seems to say it.
Sure, it was a entertaining film and had some good stuff in it, but that doesn't correlate to be an actual GREAT film.
The story could've just focus on John Carter arriving on Mars & having a lot of adventures with the Thorks (Green Aliens), we needed just that.
There was no need to make a film about 3 sides fighting for the supremacy of the planet & having a Cosmic Cult that destroys Worlds.
Not because "people are dumb" and can't focus on the minimal stuff, but because all the concepts on the movie becomes simple & unexplored.
Which affects a lot of things in the movie by no having the enough time to explore more on the many civilizations that live on Mars & and the characters that tries to present to us.
@@robkzin94oldwave77 I don't think you've read the books.
I wished there was sequels. Movie was awesome.
Finally, a positive take on this movie and Edgar Rice Burroughs' tales of adventure, that predates comic books ! Granted, the film has some stop and starts, but overall it gets the job done. Would have loved to see the sequels, and a resurgence of ERB's other stories, like Pellucidar, Carson of Venus, or The Mucker !
@Henzo8i8 what else could they have named it, considering the source material?
Venus was my favourite series of books by Burroughs as a kid - I discovered them about 30 years ago as a 9 years old. Man, I'd love to see that fantastic world on film...
John Carter is incredible! I love the vibrant world and diverse Martian species presented in the film. The characters are so well-crafted and memorable, and the CGI is out-of-this-world amazing. The film is truly a masterpiece and deserves more recognition. #JohnCarterRocks #MarsIsTheFuture 🙌🤩
I enjoyed the Disney John Carter film and I look forward to more Disney John Carter.
seriously?
I enjoyed this movie when it came out.
I forgot all about this movie but I’m happy this channel bought it back to my attention.
I loved John Carter. I had wished for a sequel.
The Movie "john carter" (2012) is terrific. Your content primarily focuses on plot and history. You dealt with no discourses, themes & representations:
1. One discourse was the "broken man" as a warrior & saviour. John Carter suffered the murder of his wife and child.
2. Another theme was the technology race. If one group discovers innovation, it leads to domination of other groups.
3. Another discourse was resource depletion such as the runaway greenhouse effect on Mars.
4. Women as warriors and research scientists such as the Princess & not passive objects of male desire.
4. The Therns as agents of power and war, manipulating events & groups behind the scenes, very much like major corporations today. 5. Infanticide practiced by Green Martian Tharks.
6. Gladiator sport as entertainment in Thark culture.
7. Sola enduring a public display of corporal punishment of Thark culture
8. Women as property: the arranged marriage of the Princess & Sab.
9. Tharks overcoming cultural beliefs of "never flying" in order to achieve military victory.
10. Ruling leaders in Thark culture can be subject to a challenge using physical violence to be overthrown as leader.
11. Use of animals as domesticated beasts of burden and pets.
John Carter has an amazing fantasy world as amazing as Star Wars
This movie is an underrated classic , John Carter is such an interesting underrated character. He deserves more recognition, this movie deserves another chance. Hopefully it gets rebooted into a live action Disney plus TV show.
Outstanding movie.
Edgar Rice Burroughs pulp fiction change the world and is hugely responsible for the DC and Marvel superhero's we love today. His John Carter of mars series was set the blueprint for modern sci-fi heroic adventures, and help jump start kids fascination with space and planets. Without ERB I don't if we ever get Superman, Star Wars and others, he was one of a kind.
I really enjoyed this movie I really wish the movie was a hit at the box office so they could have a sequel.
Saw the movie in theaters, was blown away by the Story, but the film bombed at the box office.
On a $300 million dollar budget, it made $285 million dollars at the box office. Due to this all sequels were cancelled.
What could have been.
I genuinely enjoyed this movie and only saw it last year. Was sad to find out they had a trilogy planned but the writer didnt like their take on it so pulled the rights.
I love that in John Carter the planets of the solar system have their own Martian names
I really enjoyed this movie, it's too bad Disney did such a poor job of marketing and supporting it when it came out. I would like to have seen more of it in sequels.
This is why Elon Musk wants to go to Mars. He lost his transporting medallion.
Elon Musk wants to revive the "dead" planet by re-activating the terraforming equipment left behind by the Old Martians so water can flow in the dry canals.
What if, hear me out, Elon Musk’s real name is Carthoris, and he was sent to earth after the final death of Mars to one day revive his home planet
I'd go if the ladies look like the one John Carter was interested in in the movie.
The original three books in the series were a great arc. Without spoiling it, the ending is both unique for a main character and extremely rewarding if you have gotten an understanding of who John Carter is, by the end of the third book. It fits perfectly.
I'm still waiting for the inevitable reboot confirmation, honestly. With the small pool of ideas the movie industry really has at this point? It's only a matter of time before both this and Gremlins 3/Reboot actually starts production
This is in my top 5, I have watched this numerous times
An awesome movie that critics failed to understand (as usual) and bombed most likely due to bad marketing and the fact that the average movie goer was so stupid that they thought this film ripped of Star Wars and Superman, when in fact the character was the original that those other franchises borrowed from. Such a shame.
The critics were indeed harsh. Even some critics I respected from a critical view had even had issues with the movie, a lot of which were dumb reasons. But I don’t necessarily think the average movie going audience disliked the movie for that reason; most who actually have seen the movie tend to generally like it. I really do believe in this case it was just a scenario of both bad marketing which included nods to this being Star Wars and Superman’s inspirations (if the audience went in with that knowledge as shown, the idea of it failing for that reason is flawed), and the fact that the theaters had a lot of competition in the early summer of 2011, which had both the final Harry Potter film still going strong along with the endlessly hyped up 1st Hunger Games movie.
With all those more “hip and progressive” style stories in theaters compared to an old fashioned Space Opera/Planetary Romance style story along with marketing that hitched itself to more popular and timeless intellectual properties, it was a recipe for disaster! I am not surprised much people didn’t see it and that the critics who tend to be more inclined to more “hip and progressive” style stories like HP and Hunger Games didn’t like it; but I think this gives it the opportunity for the movie to have a 1980 Flash Gordon style renaissance, where people will look back on the movie and see it in a more popular eye. It up to us who actually liked it to educate these people.
Most critics are biased anyway; Studios give them money to give good reviews and if the critics choose not to, they're ignored and put aside.
This is a great movie and needs a sequel
I read the book when I was 18 and laid up in hospital (I also found EE Doc Smith 'Lensman' series for the same reason).The live action film was very good, just terribly marketed.
That’s awesome, it’s great to hear about another Lensman fan too!
Also, I do agree that the movie was terribly marketed; but I do believe that the movie was also consistently overshadowed a lot and didn’t have any opportunity for it to have a chance at growing when compared to the endlessly hyped up 1st Hunger Games movie and the last Harry Potter film still in theaters by the time of John Carter’s release.
Didn’t help that critics were absolutely unfair and critical of some of the more untimely aspects of the era the story was written in and complaining about non-sequiturs like violence in a kids movie.
i have also read and re-read the lensman series a few times, and it is one of my favorite book series, and it only got ONE film adaption in the form of an anime, that was quite different from the source material .... and it would also make an awesome movie franchise if done properly
This is tantamount to Superman: in the beginning Superman couldn't fly, freeze breathe or laser eyes. He was super strong due to Krypton's higher mass than Earth's. "He leaps buildings in a single bound"
I really love John Carter it was an amazing movie I love the lore and story it’s my favourite sci-fi series
Deeply underrated movie, highly recommended. Now there's a valid idea for a western/sci-fi/horror video game, if I ever saw one.
This was a excellent movie 🎥 🍿
Thanks for bringing this back to my attention.
If I had a penny for everytime someone messed up the definition of planetary romance I'd have like 3, which is impressive considering only like 50 people alive today have even heard of the term.
I really liked the books of John carter I think it's Edgar masterpiece even better than Tarzan
Loved this movie and most especially the princess
I Love Edgar Rice Burroughs and all his heroes.
i enjoyed the movie, wish it had taken off for a few more movies..... but a tv series would be great
This movie great I know it wasn't perfect but it was still very entertaining.
The movie was awesome and very faithful to the book. Too bad it didn't do too well. Disney didn't market it very good at all. I wish they'd just do an animated series at least to finish the rest of the books.
I truly believe that a modern animated series of John Carter would fit better than a live action series. You can get away with so much more with animation than you can with live action.
Outstanding as always thanks my friend!🙂👍
Couldn’t have said this better myself !
@@damianstarks3338 🙂👍
@@soulreaver1983 👍🏾👍🏾
It bombed at the box office because it was the most poorly promoted film in Disney history. Go find the ads and trailers for John Carter. They completely failed to show how good the film actually was.
The only thing I remember about this movie is how hot the princess is
the only thing I remember about this movie is how ugly the princess is
I wanted a sequel to this too. Me and my bro seen it in theaters and liked it.
I just watched "John Carter" over the past weekend. Since I've read the books that the movie was based on, I thought that the movie was not that good, but I watched it a SECOND time, with a MORE open mind, and I enjoyed it a lot. It's a shame that Disney didn't promote the movie better. If they had, "John Carter " would have done better, and any sequels that were possibly planned would have been made.
Sucks for the John Carter movie, I actually did enjoyed it
Love the book
I would not believe any rumors right now about a John Carter series on Disney+, a few years ago; the rights went back to the Burroughs estate, so there is no chance of anything involving Disney making it.
I don't understand how this movie got a bad rap when it came out. I thought it was pretty fun, the sfx are good and plenty of action.
I really want to see a new John Carter movie I think it’s to hear that the world needs right now
Been into this character for long time.
It explains my fascination w/ Mars.
I even joke 'bout not being from here but from Mars...lol. thank you Mr. Burroughs.
You allowed a kid to dream. RIP 💐
P.S. the movie is GR8. Have it thru Utube on my phone.
THIS IS AWESOME
I know right.
I love the 2012 John Carter film. To me, John Carter is a proto Superman, but he's Superman in reverse. Instead of an alien coming to earth, he is an earthman who came to an alien planet. And like the Golden Age Superman, he doesn't fly. But he jumps. There was an asylum movie that was also inspired by John Carter entitled "A Princess of Mars" I just purchased it today and I intend to have a John Carter Double feature, first watching the 2009 "A Princess of Mars" and then, "John Carter".
I'm still waiting for the sequel
I have recently got into the John Carter books. I am disappointed my local library only has the first 3 audiobooks. i enjoy listening to them as i do stuff.
I liked this movie it was a far cry ahead of the previous attempts made. I have also read the complete series Borrows was a brilliant author may be if people
read the books they would understand where this story go'es
This was a really good movie
I loved this movie. Wish there was a part 2.
If the novel had been followed a lot more closely I think it would have had more commercial success, but as always there were people who thought they knew better than the original author. Kaor!
Would be great to have more of these story
I do have to ask, while Burrow's other creation Tarzan became an Icon and a house hold name, why didn't John Carter of Mars? It's a highly imaginative and has just the amount of pulp adventure as Tarzan.
Love this movie!!!
John Carter was the most underrated movie ever I love this movie so much I love the colours the culture and the amazing characters and monsters in this film what I love most about John Carter was the story I love that Martians lay eggs it’s so strange and bizarre and I love it
I liked the John Carter Movie, especially the Actress in it, who was in True Blood too! One hot Texan Woman, who does a VERY good English Accent, I’m English, so i know . . .
Love this movie.👍
John Carter, the originator of the "Humans are Space Orcs" subculture of science-fiction.
It really is a shame Disney dropped the ball on John Carter. I read the books when I was a teen and consider them to be some of the best heroic fantasy ever.
Loved this movie...I still enjoy watching it occasionally. I think for the 21st century mind perhaps they should claim it to be on Mars in an alternate universe or perhaps some 50k years ago.
1 of my favorite books do one on Hitchhiker's Guide to the galaxy
Thanks for the video. I'm a huge fan of Edgar Rice Burroughs. You should know That Woola has 6 legs, you said ten.
Such a dope movie
Wish there were sequels to this. But I think it should have been titled as John Carter: A Princess of Mars and released during summer. Hopefully someone will give this another try and I’d be fine if it was reboot or continuation.
The fact that John Carter was an unaging man that could naturally, and without effort, astral project to Barsoom, and that he remembers having always been a warrior (and not only that, but a warrior that loves to fight and show his strength), always made me wonder if he was possibly like, the ACTUAL God of War? The Romans and Greeks always associated Mars with their Gods of War (Mars and Ares), and the series has a big theme of John Carter uncovering false Gods. Maybe that's cause he's essentially the Avatar of a real God? He also brings up how Mars is the God of War at the beginning of the first book, and how - as a fighting man - he'd always held that particulad God in high regard. Tinfoil hat theory lol
interesting.
Not an unreasonable one. I’d say you’re probably more right than we’ll ever know.
John Carter of Barsoom. The incomparable Dejah Thoris. The source material, Edgar Rice Burroughs books, are great, for those who read sci Fi. There is no way to portray the images one gets by reading the books. Disney missed the point, Carter has nothing to live for on earth, his character developed through his growing devotion to Dejah Thoris and her native land--see Avatar, Pocahontas, Princess Leia--completely over shadowed by the block buster approach. I Loved the attempt, @Andrew Stanton. Much appreciated. But It takes reading the books to understand the material. Wonderful sci Fi action awaits those who read. Long live Barsoom!
Part of me wonders if the real reason the film didn't do well at the box office was because 'John Carter' was a bland name that didn't inspire interest. As someone who never heard of Edgar's work prior to the film, this was honestly the reason I didn't bother seeing it. So, one could argue the bland name + Disney's poor marketing was why we unfortunately didn't get a trilogy.
Because I frankly love the film now. I still kick myself for not seeing it at the cinema.
If you watch the movie, the main title card appeared is John Carter of mars. Disney remove "of mars" in every marketing they had because they assumed mars title will flop the movie. There's plenty of movie that has mars in name failed at box office.
The book title is princess of mars
Too much of a leap to some without reading the Mars series first!
Besides all it has influenced, I heard that the literal term "Martian" was inspired by these stories.
I’ve never heard that before, but that would be really cool. I hope it’s true!
Hopefully they make the series on Disney+ i would definitely watch it
I loved this movie. It was epic, and the visuals were amazing. However, the marketing was confusing. "John Carter" is what the one sheet (poster) said. It's a one hundred year old book, and the awareness of John Carter is not something that I had, at the time. Disney totally messed up the marketing. They had amazing visuals, BUT, they could have made a slightly smaller movie (and saved a hundred million) while having the same impact. Some of the visuals were over produced. I'm glad that they spent the money, but I wanted to see more, and because they had terrible marketing, and people ONLY concentrated on the amount of money that they spent, it was deemed as a flop. No, it was an enjoyable movie, they just spent too much money, and didn't attract an audience to see it.
The film failed at the box office because the Disney management mishandled the publicity and the title of the film. It is a very good film and could have been a big success if it had been marketed as skilfully as the Star Wars films, or Lord Of The Rings. The director, producer, actors, CGI were cheated out of what should have been a major career success by incompetent Disney management.
Disney+ is dying. If Disney makes a John Carter show, it will be a crapfest.
Articles should be made on Burroughs' other two sci-fi series, Carson Napier of Venus and Pellucidar.
And The Moon Maiden
Although a bit of a mess, I genuinely liked the 2012 movie and looked forward to a sequel. Screw Disney for effing this up, and then dumping it, so they could eff up Star Wars too. Stupid a-holes!
I've got a couple of these books pretty good I don't recall if I like the movie or not I may have to give it another go
Should have been a trilogy
The mind f%#} when you find out Edgar is just writing about his uncle Forreal .. 😁
I loved that movie.. Cannot find anyone who didn’t.. it just says it had negative reviews.
I am not sure why gringos did not liked this movie, because I liked it.
The marketing killed it, for a propperty like John Carter, old and out of the public mind, it was way to subtle and cryptic, then the purchase of LucasFilm put the nail in the coffin.
It would be great if it was animated like the invincible than live action.
Wait, so each time he die on each planet he will return to the other one?
u talk alot of a film but book feels alot more different Journey of John in book is so much different
Also two seasons ago in Black ops Cold war there is calling cards for John Carter you can obtain 😄
The marketing botched it bigtime, very good film very satisfying. Moons of Mars (2 moons for Mars 1 moon for earth) you fool
While the 2012 film is in Nihil's eyes quite bad, this video was fairly good.
How could you not mention the Micheal Moorcock, trilogy, tying John Carter to his "Eternal Champion"? The character was "public domain" and Moorcock did violently good work with the premise. I just read the originals recently and Moorcock was better.
The copyright of ERB's work expired this or last year in Europe
@@vassily-labroslabrakos2263 Well I wouldn't Know that but ,But maybe Moorcock was able to to do a workaround, or pay royalties because he was the editor of "Tarzan adventures "in 1956 (at age 16) And later moved on to being Editor with Science Fiction Magazine "New Worlds", from 1964 to !971.I know Moorcock was a British Author . But Burroughs, was born in Chicago. And I started reading Moorcock in the '70s from US publishers. But the "IP', on Burroughs work has been reinstated by Disney. And they are F**king it up. They should buy the Michael Moorcock rights. But they also bought "Pellucidar". ,from Edgar Rice Burroughs ,INC. they will fuck that up too. You cant do Burroughs ,or Moorcock, in PG-13 and make money.
The prince named carter is not seen in this anime(zone of the Enders)I think it’s the episode 15 of to love ru anime,maybe I’m wrong
What actor play the princess of mars ho played her
A good movie with THE WORST MARKETING ever done for a movie. Should of done better.
Why are you people doing like 4 episodes a day now? I cannot keep up with all of my other usuals, so I’m many weeks backed up at this point, and honestly have little incentive to watch them as anything other than merely background content when I used to like to give my full attention.
Unless that’s the plan…
The movie was fantastic and much better than any of Disney's Star Wars movies. It was a financial disappointment becuase of its bad marketing. Such a shame because I absolutely loved it and wished that there had been sequels.
Well its 2023 now and this game hasnt come out?