...Excellent analysis and agree with you on the Feuerbach technique. In high school I threw the 12 lb shot in 1970s and studied Al Feuerbach's technique closely. He competed in the West Coast Relays and I snuck in to watch him closely. I was small for shot-put (5'8'' 165) and I noted that Feuerbach at 6' tall, was considered small among world-class shot putters. I needed a method to maximize the my torque, angular momentum, and "open the hips" as quickly possible (because the rotational style had not fully arrived). The technique by Feuerbach's technique enabled me to get as close to the rotational possible. At that time I noticed he twisted his body to the right to achieve a pre-rotational corkscrew, and as you noted planted his right foot a right angles and was able to "shoot his hips" very quickly. My furthest was 51'6" in competition (with the 12 lb). Granted that's not far but I loved shot-put because it was more about personal achievement. I believe Dave Storhl could have thrown further if he followed Feuerbach's technique or style.
...the key is to attain maximum velocity and angular momentum and "shoot the hip" without interrupting the lines of force. In the glide method it can be noted that Feuerbach achieved this by turning his right foot to an angle when he planted - in essence he was "getting out of the way" of his lines of force - thus enabling his body to "shoot the hip" in alliance with his shoulders in upward circular angular momentum thrust. It's hard to explain unless one experiences the technique. The actual shot (ball) feels light when done correctly or rather the putter can perceive the angular momentum. In physics rotational angular momentum is what overcomes gravity. In my days, Brian Oldfield just came out with the "rotational method" and we believed Feuerbach's semi-rotational was the precursor to the rotational - especially for the smaller putters (like me).
I had the great pleasure of throwing in an indoor meet in Moscow Idaho in 1977 with both Al and Mac Wilkins. In my opinion, Al was the all time best glide technician while others sacrificed technique, they made up for it in mass. Another great glider was Randy Matson. He did a lot of technical things correctly and became the first man to throw over 70 feet in the 60's. I would watch Al Feuerbach videos of him on 8mm (in the day) as well as visualize this hundreds of times in my head and had relative success in college. As far as the discus, Al Powell comes to mind as one of the best "linear" discus technicians vs to older style of centrifugal spin throwers like Al Oerter of. Just too bad Powell lacked the mass of Wilkens. Who knows how far he might have thrown. I watch throwers today who in spite of their massive strength still make critical errors on transferring weight and shoulder dipping. (especially in the discus). They have to be losing 5 to 10 meters alone in the discus.
That bent knee finish concept!!! I spent years not focusing on it, and watching your vids, I feel like I left meters out there!!! Super cool break down, really rooting for lucas to go 20m+!
....Nate - The other key is please note the right foot of Feuerbach. Note how he turned his right foot initially a 45 degree angle when he shoved off from the back...and then when he landed his right foot almost a 90 degree angle ! This was they key because it enables you to open the hips and thus shoot the hips very quickly. It took me lots of practice but once I was able to master this technique I was able to extract as maximum performance. I was not big enough to compete with the big guys but I gain real satisfaction in knowing I did my best. Shot put is a very satisfying sport.
Lucas is absolutely phenomenal glider, but when I see Al throwing, and have in person many times, when Al is driving off the right heel out of the back his left shoulder is slightly higher and arm a bit more open than Lucas, which is tough to see in this clip due to the side angle,, but if you can see footage of Al being filmed from outside the sectors lines of the throwing area which is out there on you tube, you'll see what I mean. Lucas is more closed off with the upper body and hips by facing directly to the back. Because Al's slight opening of the left shoulder, arm and hips as he lands into the power position, it's much easier and natural for him to land with the right foot at 9:00. Because of Als right foot position and slightly more open body and hip position, he's in a more fluid power position to then turn the right bent knee into the direction of the throw and naturally press the shot. There is no wasted momentum in Al's throw. I refer you also to Michael Carter who also uses a slightly more open/ higher left shoulder and open hipped landing into the power position to have a bit more clearer path for a more powerful linear throw. He also utilized all his linear momentum to the max as well. Below is a video of the big guys games and at 1:37 or 1:38 ( you'll need to play with the pause button) freeze the video and see the positions and angle of Als back as his left foot is about to land by the toe board and you'll see what I mean. The little bit of extra time it takes Lucas going from a more closed off position, to the throw is what's cause the leg drive situation that you're talking about in the finish. ruclips.net/video/m7qrSUZ3Gvo/видео.html
*Sir i am 14 year old and Yesterday i tried my 1st attempt of SPIN throw shotput and i threw More than 8 mtr and it was the longest throw with a 5.45 kg shotput*
@ S O UM - I noticed you live in India. Did you know there are some awesome Punjab Shot-putters? The Punjabi brothers are HUGE , naturally strong, and great athletes. I have this prediction with some good coaching, weightlifting, and advanced nutrition the Punjabi can produce the next wave of awesome shot-putters. That's my prediction. Been saying it for awhile. They are getting better every year.
@@energyexecs In PUNJAB and HARYANA people are genetically very strong and powerfull . I know some Shotputter TEJINDAR PAAL SINGH TOOR AMANDEEP DHALIWAL MANPREET KAUR INDRAJEET SINGH
...For me (as a small shotputter ) the key was to attain maximum velocity and "shoot the hip" without interrupting the lines of force. In the glide method it can be noted that Feuerbach achieved this by turning his right foot to an angle when he planted - "Al's knee is facing the camera"! - in essence he was "getting out of the way" of his lines of force - thus enabling his body to open and "shoot the hip" in alliance with his shoulders in upward circular angular momentum accelerating thrust. It's hard to explain unless one experiences the technique. The actual shot (ball) feels light when done correctly or rather the putter can perceive acceleration and the angular momentum. In physics rotational angular momentum is what overcomes gravity. In my days, Brian Oldfield just came out with the "rotational method" and we believed Feuerbach's semi-rotational was the precursor to the rotational - especially for the smaller putters (like me).
@@energyexecs that is key and i also like the double parallell i see with the femur and tibia and how he maintains that in the first drive even. with his head/trunk and block arm slung forward like a trebuchet
@@coachbobkapustka4803 - Early this morning over coffee in thinking about your trebuchet analogy I realized I was a bit incorrect in my summary about the role of "angular momentum" in my experience with shotput and studying Feurebach. Looking back , it was ,more the "speed" to trajectory and lines of force in thrusting the shot without any slowing down as I glided across the ring. It was more that - and like a sling - then using the speed in the throw or putting of the steel-iron ball. It was more that.
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...Excellent analysis and agree with you on the Feuerbach technique. In high school I threw the 12 lb shot in 1970s and studied Al Feuerbach's technique closely. He competed in the West Coast Relays and I snuck in to watch him closely. I was small for shot-put (5'8'' 165) and I noted that Feuerbach at 6' tall, was considered small among world-class shot putters. I needed a method to maximize the my torque, angular momentum, and "open the hips" as quickly possible (because the rotational style had not fully arrived). The technique by Feuerbach's technique enabled me to get as close to the rotational possible. At that time I noticed he twisted his body to the right to achieve a pre-rotational corkscrew, and as you noted planted his right foot a right angles and was able to "shoot his hips" very quickly. My furthest was 51'6" in competition (with the 12 lb). Granted that's not far but I loved shot-put because it was more about personal achievement. I believe Dave Storhl could have thrown further if he followed Feuerbach's technique or style.
...the key is to attain maximum velocity and angular momentum and "shoot the hip" without interrupting the lines of force. In the glide method it can be noted that Feuerbach achieved this by turning his right foot to an angle when he planted - in essence he was "getting out of the way" of his lines of force - thus enabling his body to "shoot the hip" in alliance with his shoulders in upward circular angular momentum thrust. It's hard to explain unless one experiences the technique. The actual shot (ball) feels light when done correctly or rather the putter can perceive the angular momentum. In physics rotational angular momentum is what overcomes gravity. In my days, Brian Oldfield just came out with the "rotational method" and we believed Feuerbach's semi-rotational was the precursor to the rotational - especially for the smaller putters (like me).
I had the great pleasure of throwing in an indoor meet in Moscow Idaho in 1977 with both Al and Mac Wilkins. In my opinion, Al was the all time best glide technician while others sacrificed technique, they made up for it in mass. Another great glider was Randy Matson. He did a lot of technical things correctly and became the first man to throw over 70 feet in the 60's. I would watch Al Feuerbach videos of him on 8mm (in the day) as well as visualize this hundreds of times in my head and had relative success in college. As far as the discus, Al Powell comes to mind as one of the best "linear" discus technicians vs to older style of centrifugal spin throwers like Al Oerter of. Just too bad Powell lacked the mass of Wilkens. Who knows how far he might have thrown. I watch throwers today who in spite of their massive strength still make critical errors on transferring weight and shoulder dipping. (especially in the discus). They have to be losing 5 to 10 meters alone in the discus.
That bent knee finish concept!!! I spent years not focusing on it, and watching your vids, I feel like I left meters out there!!!
Super cool break down, really rooting for lucas to go 20m+!
....Nate - The other key is please note the right foot of Feuerbach. Note how he turned his right foot initially a 45 degree angle when he shoved off from the back...and then when he landed his right foot almost a 90 degree angle ! This was they key because it enables you to open the hips and thus shoot the hips very quickly. It took me lots of practice but once I was able to master this technique I was able to extract as maximum performance. I was not big enough to compete with the big guys but I gain real satisfaction in knowing I did my best. Shot put is a very satisfying sport.
Thanks a bunch for the support. Hopefully this is the year for Luke 💪
Lucas is absolutely phenomenal glider, but when I see Al throwing, and have in person many times, when Al is driving off the right heel out of the back his left shoulder is slightly higher and arm a bit more open than Lucas, which is tough to see in this clip due to the side angle,, but if you can see footage of Al being filmed from outside the sectors lines of the throwing area which is out there on you tube, you'll see what I mean. Lucas is more closed off with the upper body and hips by facing directly to the back. Because Al's slight opening of the left shoulder, arm and hips as he lands into the power position, it's much easier and natural for him to land with the right foot at 9:00. Because of Als right foot position and slightly more open body and hip position, he's in a more fluid power position to then turn the right bent knee into the direction of the throw and naturally press the shot. There is no wasted momentum in Al's throw. I refer you also to Michael Carter who also uses a slightly more open/ higher left shoulder and open hipped landing into the power position to have a bit more clearer path for a more powerful linear throw. He also utilized all his linear momentum to the max as well. Below is a video of the big guys games and at 1:37 or 1:38 ( you'll need to play with the pause button) freeze the video and see the positions and angle of Als back as his left foot is about to land by the toe board and you'll see what I mean. The little bit of extra time it takes Lucas going from a more closed off position, to the throw is what's cause the leg drive situation that you're talking about in the finish. ruclips.net/video/m7qrSUZ3Gvo/видео.html
In all honesty, I don’t study much shot put, I’m a disc guy. But this has got to be the most helpful shot video I have ever seen!
Great analysis
I know the mens and women's discus technique is slightly different due to the weight of the implement, but are they also different for shot?
So dope!
*Sir i am 14 year old and Yesterday i tried my 1st attempt of SPIN throw shotput and i threw More than 8 mtr and it was the longest throw with a 5.45 kg shotput*
@ S O UM - I noticed you live in India. Did you know there are some awesome Punjab Shot-putters? The Punjabi brothers are HUGE , naturally strong, and great athletes. I have this prediction with some good coaching, weightlifting, and advanced nutrition the Punjabi can produce the next wave of awesome shot-putters. That's my prediction. Been saying it for awhile. They are getting better every year.
@@energyexecs Yes sir
@@energyexecs In PUNJAB and HARYANA people are genetically very strong and powerfull . I know some Shotputter
TEJINDAR PAAL SINGH TOOR
AMANDEEP DHALIWAL
MANPREET KAUR
INDRAJEET SINGH
@@energyexecs Sir Before 2 year One Shotputter sir TEJINDAR PAAL SINGH TOOR WON GOLD in ASIAN games
@@energyexecs I watched this video before some month He is My inspiration Coz be is also left hand thrower
What do either Al or Luke make of Ryan Crouser, the current world record holder?
Al hands down. Luke was opening up too soon mid ring and loses lineal power by doing that.
based on technique. I will go with Luke Warning. Time for him to hit the weights
mobility more than weights maybe. restore yoga
...For me (as a small shotputter ) the key was to attain maximum velocity and "shoot the hip" without interrupting the lines of force. In the glide method it can be noted that Feuerbach achieved this by turning his right foot to an angle when he planted - "Al's knee is facing the camera"! - in essence he was "getting out of the way" of his lines of force - thus enabling his body to open and "shoot the hip" in alliance with his shoulders in upward circular angular momentum accelerating thrust. It's hard to explain unless one experiences the technique. The actual shot (ball) feels light when done correctly or rather the putter can perceive acceleration and the angular momentum. In physics rotational angular momentum is what overcomes gravity. In my days, Brian Oldfield just came out with the "rotational method" and we believed Feuerbach's semi-rotational was the precursor to the rotational - especially for the smaller putters (like me).
@@energyexecs that is key and i also like the double parallell i see with the femur and tibia and how he maintains that in the first drive even. with his head/trunk and block arm slung forward like a trebuchet
@@coachbobkapustka4803 - Early this morning over coffee in thinking about your trebuchet analogy I realized I was a bit incorrect in my summary about the role of "angular momentum" in my experience with shotput and studying Feurebach. Looking back , it was ,more the "speed" to trajectory and lines of force in thrusting the shot without any slowing down as I glided across the ring. It was more that - and like a sling - then using the speed in the throw or putting of the steel-iron ball. It was more that.
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