Oilers Trade McLeod, Tullio to Sabres for Savoie, 14 Players Elect for Salary Arbitration
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God is Jeff Jackson sure he dosnt want to be GM because he’s absolutely freaking killing it.
The people best equipped for being in charge are always the ones that don't want to be
Don’t even know what there is left for the new gm to do. He’ll probably sign Holloway and broberg soon then it’s jsut the drai extension, which Jackson is 100 percent going to be present for.
What an off season by the oilers and what a job by JJ best off season of all time?
Someone tell these Soiler fans they just lost the cup….
@@carrollbullock4866 Haters gonna hate
No happiness allowed for Sabres fans. Ever. No exceptions.
@@Wayf4rer 😬
I feel bad for you sabres fans, I just cant fathom the thinking behind this trade
@@user-sl9zb9mp9m that's because there wasn't any. i can understand trading savoie. i can't understand trading him for this underwhelming package.
@@user-sl9zb9mp9m Big vroom vroom better than small vroom.
On the bright side, you do have your team in the background with Orr flying through the air.
My biggest problem with this trade for the Sabres is that you invested a 9th overall pick in this guy and the return on that is underwhelming to say the least.
sad we lost tullio
This is such a illogical move for buffalo
When was savoie going to get a top 6 role? Prolly not even for another 2 years since he has little AHL experience. You could argue he wasn’t even top 3 in buffalos prospect pool. I don’t love it but big picture it makes sense. Plus Benson beat him out last year🤷🏻♂️
@@chachi7542Buffalo isn't going to do anything in the next 2 years anyways so how does that make sense?
McLeod is 24 yrs old, had 30 pts last season, was great on PK and was a +10. By no means a top tier talent, but a perfectly respectable 3rd liner. His best years are still likely to come ages ~25-30. It's not like they traded a good prospect for some 33 yr old duster.
While Savoie is a good prospect, he is unproven. Sometimes a decent bird in hand is better than a POTENTIALLY juicy bird in the bush. I like this trade for EDM though seems a fair enough trade to me tbh
No one knows or even has a clue as to who will "win" this trade. You can slant it however, you feel. As a Sabres fan, I was looking forward to see what Savoie might do with his opportunity this year. Although, it should be pointed out that last year Zach Benson took a spot on the team as a 18 year old drafted one year AFTER Savoie with a lower draft pick. They even played on the same junior team. Benson is basically a year and a half younger.
That doesn't mean Savoie won't be a NHL player or even a good one. It's just interesting that he got sent back to juniors, while his younger teammate made the team and played all year for the Sabres. I was disappointed he couldn't beat Benson for the spot last year. Some players take longer though. Edmonton should be a fantastic spot for him, as there is no rush or huge need for offense at the moment. Good luck Matt.
I guess the Sabres are planning on using Mcleod as a third line center, which means Peyton Krebs is likely no longer in the plans. Sam Lafferty I assume is going to be the #4 center. I don't see a spot for Krebs anymore.
Savoie was hurt (Shoulder injury/surgery) so that is why he hasn't been on the roster. Kinda hard to make the team in rehab- but to that point - can he survive in the NHL? Mcleod is NOT a physical player, at all, but he is a lot bigger than Savoie and he can take a hit.
@@KptKrunch9481 you can literally say exactly the same shit about bedard though. Bedard is a bit heavier but savoie is about the same height.
Krebs stinks you are better off.
@@frankytanky5076 yep they are close, and I worry about Bedard. He's a good kid and I hope he does well but not sure he can take the grind. Quinn Hughes did well (stating the obvious there as he won the Norris) but he got targeted in the playoffs and really wilted. Brayden Point is only an inch taller and lighter than Savoie as he's doing ok ;) - so yeah we'll see what happens here. If he can succeed anywhere it would be here - but he last small guy we had didn't turn out too well (Yamamoto)
Krebs has untapped potential. I like McLeod. The issue is asset management. It's like going into a draft and moving up and then picking someone off the board. There have to be better deals than this out there. Get a new negotiator. Free agency I get - nobody wants to come to Buffao. I don't get terrible trades.
As a Sabres fan we are getting to the end of the rope.
savoie isn't as good as people originally thought, sabres have alot of good young forward prospects as is
@@justinwillness3162 But the return they got for him… could’ve been so much better. I’m sure there’s more than a few teams that still saw potential in him, clearly Kevyn Adams didn’t make a lot of phone calls prior to this.
@@GWh135
Clearly you’re not GM material.
Sabres badly needed help on faceoffs and the PK, and needed more size w/o giving up speed.
McLeod adds all of that, and is one of the fastest skaters in the league. More importantly he now knows what the biggest stage feels like, unlike most Sabres.
@@GizmoBeach Okay, but they just gave up a recent 9th overall pick for a third-liner. They could’ve gotten McLeod for a simple second-round pick. That’s a pathetic waste of a player with high trade value. I don’t think you’re understanding the main point here.
@@GWh135If the other comments tell the truth, McLeod seems like a very good 3rd liner on a good contract and he will be RFA for next season. Good long term roster players are not cheap. On the orher hand I will excuse the doomerism by Buffalo fans. I really wish you luck next season and in the future.
McLeod is the 2nd fastest skater in the NHL and 6’3”. People need to see how this works out under Lindy’s system before jumping to conclusions.
Exactly
Oilers fan here, I love Clouder, but he is a perimeter player who lacks finish, he got scratched in the playoffs this year. I wish him the best of luck in buffalo, hopefully he kills it. But right now it looks like the oilers bent the sabres over
Hmm... nah after more than a decade of misery I reserve my right to be angry.
Is still feel bad for the guy with McDavid Sabres jersey. What a draft lotto party it was as Oilers fan.
He may be 6’3” but he plays like he’s 5’8”, he’s peaked offensively, is terrible down low for a cycle he looks uncomfortable doing it, not a puck possession player he’s doesn’t like to hold onto it for awhile, he’s a straight north south player that likes to pass it after the blue line, been called out countless time to produce or for the love of god just be physical, which he’s incapable of. Glad he’s off the oil now but still just trade ceci and LTIR Kane
Savoie is too small for NHL and got injured at rookie camp. Adams made reasonable trade to bolster lineup now with NHL ready center. Zach Benson at 18, stayed at the big club, played 71 games producing 30 points when Savoie got sent back. High on Benson while Savoie has a lot to prove.
whatever helps you sleep at night
McDavid got injured in his first year. So did Bedard. Jack Hughes gets injured every year. Small players do get injured more. What are you going to do? Only draft huge guys?
Whoever's taken over for Ken Holland is cooking
Jeff Jackson baby, he’s tap dancing all over ken hollands legacy here in Edmonton.
What the hell are the Sabres doing?!? This literally makes no sense! I feel so bad for Sabres fans.
I told a friend of mine that it would be like Detroit trading Nate Danielson or Marco Kasper for Nicolas Aube Kubel... it make zero sense.
@@mgcgrozitnot that bad, but it’s definitely not good
Sabres need NHL ready players in the lineup. This adds to that. The sabres have many more high quality prospects in the pipeline.
@@kidnamedfinger6323lmao is that you justify this horrible trade?
@@tomcooks2562 give me a break, tom. Sabres have center prospects like Anton Wahlberg and Noah ostlund that will also be looking for spots soon enough. They're a lot bigger than Savoie too, which can be beneficial.
Let's not pretend like the sabres have nothing else after Savoie.
sabres fans im so sorry
Sabre fans are the 2nd most loyal fans, Leafs fans are number one
Edmonton got Fleeced
@@ye-old-baxter5816 Leafs fans? really?
@@sportsdom1776 No they did not lmao. I love Ty Tullio as much as the next guy, he's going to be a great 3rd liner but McLeod is nothing special. They traded a possible 1st/2nd line Center for 3rd liners who won't impact the game as much as Savoie would have.
@@HarryRiceHockeyI’m pretty sure he’s a Sabres fan trying to make themselves better after trading away a Potential Star Player for some decent players
I miss the good ol' days when you could sometimes watch one of the cats in the background
Bring back the Cats!!!
Shannon, perhaps it’s time to do a video on undersized skill guys who lit up the CHL/were high draft picks but failed to translate that game to the NHL
Just say you’re a sabres fan lol sabres got fleeced here
Brule.
@@Mitch-ui8ps I’m a leafs fan bro 😂
@@JD200_ fuck that’s rough 😂
@@Mitch-ui8ps hence my original comment. I know what happened to 18 year old Nicholas Robertson after he lit it up with Peterborough 😂
This is probably win/win. On Edmonton, MacLeod was a third line center and he was replaced with the resigning of Adam Henrique. In return Edmonton get a needed good prospect in while shedding salary cap to help get back under. Buffalo gets a big, fast proven NHLer that could help the team now.
All the criticism of Buffalo on this trade comes from fans who don’t seem to consider the fact that the Buffalo organization has seen a hell of a lot more of Savoie than any fan has and have decided that he’s not such-a-much. They could be wrong, but a 9th overall pick is never a sure thing. Maybe the mistake was made two years ago when the pick was made and they’re just trying to get something back. Remember Griffin Reinhardt.
Unless you are from Moose Jaw.
I don't like your Griffin logic here at all. Griffin had three declining years in the WHL after being drafted. Not two points per game leading his team in the playoffs!
@@jeffreym.8957 Reinhart was an example of a team realizing they made a mistake and pulling off a trade before the rest of the league found out. The Islanders ended up getting Matt Barzal out of it. Not saying it's exactly the same with Savoie. He probably turns out at least to be a regular NHL player, if not a star. But he was picked at #9, not #3, and while star players have been picked around that spot, usually you get 2nd & 3rd liners, which is what McLeod is. Reinhart, if I remember correctly was picked at #4, so was a monumental bust, but not for the team that picked him. Right after that the Islanders picked Michael Dal Colle at #5, but could never make up for that mistake.
Oilers are currently only 354,167 over the cap. Looking like no GM is the best GM the Oilers has ever had.
Both Holloway and Broberg will need a new contract but I strongly doubt that both will combine for more than 3 mil total anyway.
To be fair, Savioe is behind the likes of Bensen, Kulich, and possibly even their 1st round pick this year, Helenius, in terms of best forward prospect. So I'm not surprised to see him on the way out.
Sure but that’s such poor asset management.
and its gonna suck when Savoie hits 50 points in two years and Bensen, Kulich and Helenius combine for like 40 points.
@@dps0610 It might seem like that and to an extent it is, but Buffalo has a plethora of top end forward prospects, but lacked a 3rd line center, which McLeod can be. Buffalo needs to get better immediately and this move does that. Savioe likely would not have cracked the Sabres lineup this season.
You guys are acting like he isn’t gonna produce on Edmonton though with it’s talent. He might end up with more points than any of those guys.
@@bdonaghu you have to get more from that return though. I get you like the player, but you already crazy over paid on a 4th liner this offseason too. Just really wild decisions making.
Biffalo kept the better (+younger) of the two ex-Winnipeg Ice prospects (Benson). They don't need both.
McLeod is at least an NHL player
There it is. We missed ya Shannon
Savoie gets a bottom 6 forward and a nothing prospect. Wow.
What a waste of a draft pick by buffalo yet again
Dude. We’re getting a great bottom 6 player who can help us win NOW
@@epicscrapple using the word great is hilarious he’s a *good* bottom six player, he’s just all speed that’s it
@@Mitch-ui8ps
And Savoie adds nothing the Sabres already have plenty of: undersized forwards with no physical presence and no help at all on faceoffs or the PK.
Getting anyone to play for Buffalo is a task, so this is a welcome addition for an unproven, small commodity. Benson looks way more valuable than Savoie, so sayonara to him.
@@epicscrapple saying Win Now is crazy, gotta make the playoffs before you win big 😂
Oh wow… this is a robbery. What is it with the Sabres and completely wasting their assets? Could’ve had a much better return for Savoie. This is a great trade for the Oilers though.
Savoie's game is built on speed.
If I’m a Sabers fan, I’m very much questioning everything right now. That’s not a better team than last year and just gave up a really well thought of young piece for a bottom six player…
@@dps0610 I’m a buffalo fan and I don’t know what is going on any more all I do know is Adams should be fired I am pissed
Savoie is a good prospect - not their best - but there are also size and injury concerns with him. He showed pretty well in a short AHL stint, but the reason he was still around early last season was due to an injury suffered early in the prospect tournament (not his first injury). As for the trades Adams has made recently - Byram, Malenstyn, McLeod - all are younger players without an NMC. This is obviously a sign that the team is having difficulty landing players that have some say in where they can go. The Sabres need to get better this season, not whenever Savoie is finally ready to play in the NHL. Is it a great trade? Not really, but it will be fine if it helps the Sabres improve this season.
@@comicbookcountdown9252 it won’t help the team and plus good players won’t sign in Buffalo because they are afraid that they will be traded even if they had a good season Adams is a complete idiot
@@wesleyrempel1438 The Sabres have made very few trades since Adams moved on from Eichel, Reinhart and Ristolainen (who all asked to be traded due to a rebuild), so I'm not sure why players would think they'll be traded if they have a good season.
@@wesleyrempel1438 No player is avoiding Buffalo because they're afraid they would get traded out of Buffalo.
Isn't officially the Oiler GM, doesn't wanna be the Oilers GM, but holy macro he's showing he's the best "GM" we've ever had.
If the Oilers finished the season within top 3 overall ranking, JJ may just also win EOTY by NOT being a manager.
Savoie is a definate overpayment for McLeod & Tullio. Neither player fills the goalscoring left wing vacancy that Buffalo has. Not happy.
@neilflood6508 they need 3rd line center more then top 6 LW. Under Lindy the bottom 6 is super important if he uses them at all like he did last time he was here. The Sabs have so many top 6 prospects someone had to go at somepoint
@@Ween1776exactly bro
Also, Deen and Gene Ween approve of this move
@epicscrapple best band of all time. Gene's solo stuff Freemen is great as well
@@epicscrapple
Even if you don’t! 😃
McLeod is an NHL player. Savoie is an unproven prospect that comes with concerns about his size. Could be a sabres W at the end of the day
Yea I feel like I am crazy for thinking this trade is fairly even and honestly might be worse for the Oilers this year as Savoie might be in the AHL, and McLeod is a terrific bot 6 guy whose defensively responsible. Makes me wonder why they signed Skinner if it means losing McLeod.
Fans really love to overrate prospects based on their draft selection. Most of these kids turn into busts and I'm pretty sure the organization knows a lot more about the player than the fans do. Maybe Savoie turns into a stud. Maybe not. But I doubt the Buffalo brass just decided to trade a prospect for the hell of it.
Not all NHL player's are created equally and prospects end up being NHL'ers. Let's not pretend these two the Sabres are getting are going to lift this team into the playoffs. Why draft this kid 9th if you are going to give him away, unless they know he's not going to pan out.
Sabres do have a log jam when it comes to forwards. Savoie is undersized and we still have a lot more prospects. McLeod is at least a solid defensive player. However, I as a fan have to remember we are not supposed to have nice things, so this may backfire. Hopefully it does not.
True, but Savoie's ceiling is much higher than McLeod's
I remember Mark Recchi was too small for the NHL. Same with Martin St. Louis and now Jake Guentzel and Cole Caufield. The old-timers were right. Not one of them achieved success and all regretted ever trying to play pro hockey.
As an oilers fan I’m not a fan of losing McLeod. He’s a solid defensive player and I dont think he’s reached his potential yet. But the oilers are also kinda too deep for him in a way. He needs top 6 ice time
McLeod has all the potential in the world. He really does... but he loves to skate and smile and do fly-bys. That's the problem with him.
It looks like he's out there flying around, but what he manages to accomplish isn't enough for this Oilers team right now.
Great pickup by sabres, savoie is at least a year away, and they have plenty of prospects. Top 6 winger would be the last piece
Sabres develop another decent goaltender and don’t want to pay him as usual. Unreal. Sabres are the NHL’s farm team.
Another great move by the Oilers. So long Indy 500! It's been a slice.
Quite evidently and predictably, a lot of Sabres "fans" are dissing the trade of Savoie to Edmonton for (primarily) McLeod. Apparently these same "fans" of the Sabres seem to forget that there are a ton of good to very good NHL players (you know, the ones these "fans" want Buffalo to always get, especially for some Sabres player or players these same "fans" think are terrible and in need of peddling) who wouldn't accept a trade to Buffalo even if it meant the Brinks truck would be making regularly scheduled huge deliveries to their bank of choice. The term "No Trade Clause" seems to be lost on these "fans" since Buffalo isn't exactly a destination of choice for more much worthier players hoping to be signed by a team with Stanley Cup trophy aspirations vs. one that hasn't been to the playoffs in 13 seasons and hoping that number doesn't become 14 by the time April 2025 rolls around. It's pretty comical to see what these "fans" write if only because they show their ignorance for the very game, and team, they profess to be fans of.
Surprised at first glance, but Savoie was replaceable (too many Sabres prospects w/ his size and skill-set) and McLeod’s analytics suggests he’s exactly what Buffalo badly needs, especially on draws (no Sabre was better than 48% last season) and we all knew a prospect had to be dealt.
Do you know how bizarre it sounds for a non playoff team to say they have too many prospects?? Fact is you don’t trade a prospect for a salary dump player who lost his spot on a team.
@@gregsgoogle2947
Do you know how foolish you sound when you think it’s “bizarre” to trade one of many similar-sized and skill set unproven prospects for EXACTLY someone the team needs?
McLeod will prove more valuable than Savoie will for the Oilers, full stop. He won’t even crack their Top-Nine until 2026 or later, not on that roster.
@@GizmoBeach Point is you could have gotten a lot more for a top prospect than a failed salary dump player who can’t hold his 3rd line job after 3yrs of trying to. Savoie may never be a 3rd line winger for the Oilers but he’s under an entry level contract for 3yrs so it won’t cost much to find out. Oilers paid millions to find out McCloud isn’t one. Now it’s your turn to find out he’s really just a 4th line player somehow making 2.1mil a yr.
Oilers fleeced the sabres holy cow.
Thank You for your straightforward and excellent content, Skanes 🤟
Oilers fan here and I liked McLeod. I think he is faster than McDavid. And he was good on the PK
I like him too but he regressed this year and he was a ghost in playoffs
Faster at getting away from any action lmao
McLeod has the potential whatsoever he just needed a new team change best of luck for him
I mentioned on oilers end of season recap video that Shannon did, that the oilers were in the best spot they've been in during mcdavid era with Jeff Jackson taking the helm of the team. Anyone who's paid close attention to his front office moves and what he's said in interviews should have told you they were going to be a much more progressive and aggressive front office.
Even when he decides to hire a GM, it is still his team. It's clear he doesn't want to be the public face of Oilers front office. It seems like he's not a fan of all the media aspects of the job. He's also not currently located in Edmonton, and the GM is going to need to live in Edmonton full time. Regardless of who's hired, the majority of decisions will need to go through Jeff Jackson.
I'd imagine a Draisaitl extension will be one of the next things taken care of. Especially after the comments recently made by Draisaitl's agent.
Which comments were made?
@20motu08 "very confident that there will be an agreement with edmonton in the end" Also mentioned he thought Draisaitl was being underpaid by approx 30%. Which probably ballparks his next contract around 8 years x 11.5 - 13 million.
I think the trade is a definite win for Edmonton. Even if there is some concern surrounding him you should be able to get a lot more for a top ten pick.
It’s seriously impossible for them to lose this trade outside of a career ending injury.
We already win the trade with the cap dump. Savoie is just the cherry on top.
See at the end of the day maybe Savoie doesn’t work out. But we needed to move cap and ceci you either get nothing in return or have to give up to move him. Seems like Kane is hard to move. So if this McLeod offer was in the table….this is on paper a great return when you needed cap space. I liked McLeod but getting a ninth overall guy back is very nice. If he turns out, 3 years on his rookie deal, my god Jeff Jackson is amazing.
Wahlstrom is gone. Lou has basically confirmed that, as he said “we will qualify him because we don’t want to give him away for nothing.” Hope we can maybe do a 1 for 1 swap for another struggling young guy. Hope Wally can get a decent shot somewhere else.
He’d fit in well on the Canes 3rd line.
That cap space freed by the Oilers I believe only brings them down towards the cap ceiling, I think they were over.
They need one more trade. I believe they were at $2.8 MM over.
Great GREAT trade by the oilers. Both savoie brother are now in edmonton!
No. Carter was dealt on Monday.
Veleno's an odd choice for arbitration. While he improves a little bit every year there are still some big holes in his game that would be easily leveraged by the Wings in a hearing.
Sabres got robbed on this one. Mcleod will be a decent pk and 3rd line C.
Maybe I'm in the minority but I like this for the Sabres. They get a fast, solid, and versatile NHL center for a junior player who projects to be am undersized winger in the NHL and those players have low value in todays NHL.
Video on cap friendly deletion.....alternatives
38th ranked prospect in the nhl for a 3rd liner is bonkers.
Y'all need to calm down. Sabres turned a non-roster player who has been passed in the depth chart twice into a plug to fill a hole. Seems expensive but ultimately we don't need Savoie. We needed a 3c. We still have 4 other top 9 talents in Kulich, Ostlund, Helenius, and Rosen and it is unlikely we get to keep even half of them. Because of how deep the prospect pool is, it hikes up prices. I'd say Oilers got a deal but the Sabres didn't lose by any stretch. In hindsight, Savoie being taken at 9 was probably too early. Especially with Geekie on the table. Fair trade/slight Oilers advantage. Both teams got what they needed. Only thing I would change is I would want a pick as well.
Coming from an Buffalo fan with little to no knowledge of real hockey.
@@WinterWoolies sure man.
@WinterWoolies had no idea we'd met before. How you been?
Oiler fan here. Jeff Jackson was clearly waiting for Ken Holland to retire to pull the trigger on all the "deals" Jackson had on his bucket list or maybe more accurately stated "in the pipeline". That said, I have to wonder, how do you pull off all these trades in a fucking day or 2? It's mind boggling. There is no doubt in my mind Jackson was working the phones far before the Oilers' season came to a close either behind Holland's back or with Holland's approval. I think it's's fair to say Holland just didn't give a shit anymore. His time was up. Holland was just enjoying the Stanley Cup final run and that was pretty much the extent of Holland's work in April, May and June. Just being a fan in the last quarter of his contract. Hashtag #JJGM. Jackson rocks!
so edm clearing cap space?
I now believe the Sabres plan is to actually never make the playoffs again.
Good move for the Oilers who still need to make a move or two to get under the cap.
I think/hope Wahlstrom still can do well, but not on the Island. He needs a change of scenery
Imagine what Jackson could do if he actually wanted the job. Dudes a wizard!
Mathew Savoie's best attribute... he's fast..
A couple thoughts I have on this trade: 1) Matt Savoie is definitely trending downwards after a really underwhelming World Juniors and a disappointing performance with Moose Jaw in the WHL playoffs and Mem Cup, PLUS the Sabres have Zach Benson who is a better version of Savoie. So I don’t think it’s a massive loss for Buffalo. 2) HOWEVER, I still believe this was a bad trade by Kevyn Adams due to the fact Savoie was a top ten draft pick and is quite highly regarded in many circles with the dynamic skillset and name recognition he carries. Honestly, I was pretty sure Savoie would eventually be the odd man out among Sabres prospects, but I don’t think there’s any question he could have received a lot more than what he eventually got back for him. Strange trade, no doubt.
Gonna have to get a Savoie jersey now
Buffalo has enough smallish players stockpiled in their pipeline. Savoie hasn't shown anything in the 2 years since he was drafted. That said, playing hardball with UPL is a bigger concern, imo.
Congrats on 323k!
Lindy really likes having a McLeod on his team apparently.
At first it's shock with the move of Savoie.. but we still have some pretty good prospects in Kulich, Ostwald, Rosen and others to pick from. It's a case of this team needs a few vets and are loaded with quality prospects...
And they are still loaded with quality prospects. There is a contingent of Sabres fans that will complain about everything - that group needs to shut it down for the summer, enjoy the weather, and start getting ready for the Bills season.
I mean, Oilers should have kept Bjugstad over McLeod. Overdue move.
I’m happy we got Henrique now who is basically his replacement, but yes, moving bjug over him was a mistake.
Bjugstad wanted to go back to Arizona lol as funny as that sounds, said he liked the teammates and coaching staff
You don’t need to declare a winner/loser for the trade. Everyone already knows who won. 😂
I don’t think the stupid NHL24 computer would let you make that trade 😂😂😂😂😂 even it would ask for more return.
This is a great trade for buffalo
We never really know how a trade will play out until it actually plays out, but trading away a top prospect for a bottom six center seems like a bad move. Such a trade might make sense in the spring IF the team losing the top prospect is a Cup contender & seeking veteran depth for the playoffs. But during the summer, for a middling Buffalo team? Yuck.
The standard is not being a Cup contender, it is making the playoffs for the first time in what will be 14 years and seeing what happens once they get there. There is no way they win the Cup next year, don't even entertain that thought. Make the playoffs and go from there.
When I see trades like this it makes me think that you and I as arm chair GMs actually would do a better job 😂
You wouldn’t.
@@zjsz4954 Maybe not when it comes to negotiating and forming relationships with players, but let’s be real, some of these trades are brain dead, and us fans call it a crappy trade from day 1. Then down the road, what a surprise, it’s a crappy trade! Let’s just say I could be a trade specialist, while the GM handles the signings and negotiations.
He truly wouldn’t, if he’s that unaware of Buffalo’s terrible last several years on the draws, their inconsistent PK, and generally being undersized up front.
Savoie adds nothing the Sabres didn’t already have, and in the stocked pipeline. I don’t see what he adds for the Oilers, except points *if* he produces at the NHL level and he certainly isn’t taking their biggest stars’ minutes away.
Pssssssst! Spedmonton just lost the cup to Florida and is very unlikely to make it back….
As of now I see savoie as a piece the oilers can flip at the deadline for a Cody ceci replacement. If they keep him that would be fine too but it’s definitly a possibility
Edmonton got the better deal eh? Time will tell. While Savoie is a good young talent and hate to see him go before we know what he's capable of, Buffalo needs to win yesterday already. Savoie is heading to Bakersfield where he likely going to need at least a season or two before he can crack the Oilers lineup.
This was a salary dump for the Oilers, they still need to make another move to be compliant so the fact that they were able to get a good prospect out of the deal is what makes it a winner
@@0CaptainMyCaptain It's amazing how supposed hockey fans - especially Oiler fans, don't understand this.
@@briancole1950 theres no big mystery here so don't flatter yourself. Buffalo is desperate and this was a desperate move. The one positive for Sabers is that McCloud has talent and didn't fit with Edmonton because he was afraid of contact, he will likely play up in Buffalo and could have success
What’s even worse than the trade itself is that 80% of my fellow Sabres fans love this trade and our hailing Mcleod as the new savior in Buffalo. A total embarrassment.
The "cap-space" gets a bit burried in this analysis (of the McLeod-savoie deal):
The fact of the matter is: someone had to make room!
Oilers still haven't signed their RFAs, namely Holloway and Broberg (and Lavoie, but that does not seem of any concern);
Meanwhile, they are *over the cap,* and even if Kane should go on LTIR to start the season (as is being rumored!), the soace to sign these two is probably too thin.
Also: McLeid would be a 2.1m AAV 4th liner for them. He was the most natural choice to be on his way out.
Even now, they are still over the cao.
My guess is: they are not done dealing!
Best choice would now be Ceci.
Broberg seems to be a good fit to stabilize Nurse, and Cody would thus be a 3.25 AAV 3rd pairing guy.
Too rich!
And they just signed two righties during free agency: Stecher (who was on their team since the trade deadline, but mostly out due to injury) & Joshua Brown!
Fun fact:
The oilers now have two Skinners (not related), two browns (neither), and the second Savoie; his brother, whom they drafted, wasn't given a QO though... Maybe they don't like having brothers?
It was rumored, that McLeods brother, Michael, was discussed as a 4th line option in the past, but they never pursued him. And he is a UFA atm.
... but they did have Matt McLeod on the Condors, in the past, for 3 meager games....
Savoie is from Alberta and most likely requested a trade to Edmonton. A players value depreciates when he only wants to be traded to one team. Maybe he was feeling homesick?
Massive win for the Oilers. Either we get another Yam fry or we get a top 6 elite player. Worst case we get to keep Kane or get a player with a similar cap hit.
Lol besides Lindgren, Marchenko, Moser(?), Necas and UPL, what business do the rest of the arb guys have going for arb? They're mostly depth
Arbitration is typically for teams that have cap space as well. Players that know the team has no space don’t typically go to arbitration
I will say this: Between a 2nd for Beck Malenstyne and Savoie for Macleod...for the first time in at least 5 seasons the NHL roster has become a priority over the AHL roster.
We finally made it to the show!
As an Oilers fan, McLeod was annoying because his skating and size is sooo tantalizing. He never does anything with his size though. It’s all height, not strength. He tried hitting for a small period of time, but he just bounces off of guys. His hands are sometimes fantastic, but usually leave you wanting. At least once per game, I think it’s Mcdavid rushing up the ice only for it to be McLeod. Solid 3C on a non-contender, better on the wing.
So basically the Oilers have gone from almost no right shots to fill with every right shots. Arvidsson right, Brown (and Brown) right, Savoie right...renewed: Perry right, Stecher right.
I absolutely hate seeing McLeod go, but I can't complain about the trade either unless Savoie is a surprise-bust because in the meantime Henrique will fill McLeod's role and Savoie could be a great winger by the time Arvidsson's two-year contract is done.
lots of hate here for the Sabres only time will tell who's better BTY arm chair GMs are a dime a dozen
The Oilers will win this trade. 100%. No one will ever argue the opposite. Not now. Not in 2-5 years. End of story.
@@danieljones8658 good for the oilers you play for them??
@@danieljones8658 however great run for the cup!! congrats 👏
Mcleod is a checker. You can get a checker without giving up a former 9th overall .It's the potential you are giving up.
Jason Zucker is fast?
Buffalo is scaring me.
Shannon makes a solid point savoie is unproven might look like a smart move in the sabres part later on
Ryan Lindgren is my favorite defensive player on my Rangers
I'm an oilers fan and the first thing that went through my head when the trade was announced was why is Buffalo giving this guy up for so little? Do they know something that we don't?
I am more worried about UPL being scared away, just pay the man!
last i knew the oilers were over the cap
maybe for arbitration have player and team each submit written arguments, with supporting video if necessary, so not so ugly?
Benson made Savoie expendable. Along with 5 other 1st round prospects in the Sabres system.
I wonder if it would have been smart for someone to offer sheet UPL. He is propably asking for over 4.5mil which means you would have had to give up 1st and a 3rd. In the end that might have just been to annoy the Sabres though since I think they would just accept.
I’m surprised Jeremy Swayman isn’t on this list for a second straight year.
I feel like the Sabres could have gotten a greater return for MacLeod, but I’m honestly not super against this trade.
Gonna be hilarious if Buffalo has to pay a ridiculous salary for Malenstyn after trading a 2nd for him only to lose him next year
100% impossible cause of the Arbitrator..arbitration money is not UFA money..if anything it will be a fair number for both
@@RoamHockey either way it's gonna be more than they want to pay
If anything, I think Buffalo should've also received a 2nd round pick
Interesting fact. The Oilers didn't qualify his older brother, Carter Savoie just this past Monday.
So Buffalo traded a top 10 pick for Darren Helm . . .
Id trade 4 Mcleods for a Darren Helm.
As a completely impartial fan the trade is a little odd but the Sabres dont really need more super skilled prospects at this point, they gotta get the right proven depth pieces around their stars. McLeod could be a suprise in Buffalo, i really started noticing him 2 years ago in the WCFs
Finally, someone with a brain in his head. The Sabres needed to develop/bolster their bottom 6 forward group. They should have all the skilled top 6 forwards they need for several years with what's already on the team and what's in the pipeline as long as they all continue to develop.
@@tomhull1276 alot of people get stuck thinking real life is like a nhl 24 dynasty mode lol
McLeod got almost all of his points on the wing with Draisaitl centering him, there's a 0% chance his points go up. This is a terrible trade for Buffalo
McLeod trade was more of a salary dump but Savoie could be a better player down the road.
McLeod is lightning fast. Big man. Less than average hands and was given opportunities to play up the roster and didn't run with it.
As an aside... he did file for arbitration last year and rumor was the team wasn't pleased with him and his agent about that.
He frees up 3.1 per year and the Oilers were already 2.4 over, so money wise it's a aash overall for Edmonton.
Buffalo gets a speedy player that is NHL ready and can help them right now.
I feel like a prospect like Savoie should get more than a low prospect and a third liner. That doesn’t mean it is win for Edmonton as if this guy doesn’t pan out well then it’s bad deal. But the Oilers are also getting rid of 2.1M to re-sign hopefully Drai and Bouch