The decision to set it in Ohio was made after principal photography had already been completed. Just another dumbass choice made by Bob Shaye that makes the movie make less sense, like the inflatable sex doll getting sucked through the window at the end.
I always found it funny how the whole commentary felt like a favor to Jay, and a good amount of the time Mike and Rich are just shitting on the movie haha
Which is insane to me how Mike and Rich are movie aficionados and want to take a dump on this insanely innovative, legendary, unique piece of cinematic history.
@@Hoganply Hard disagree. The fact that movie was so scarce on budget it almost didn't get to see the light of day and one of the crew had to pay the wages of the actors on his credit card and it STILL turned out as amazing and innovative as it did is nothing short of mind blowing. It's a timeless master class on how to make a horror movie, from the unique idea to the music to the execution. Also, EASILY more scary in every way than these cliche, hack, jump scare horror movies of modern day.
This is why I couldn't enjoy the It movies; I know at first Pennywise was supposed to be intentionally prolonging it but beyond a certain point the BOOGABOOGA scares instead of just killing them became ludicrous.
true, but it's not like freddy's got anything else going on, y'know? like his entire life is murder now so if all he does is just the same kills over and over again he's going to get depressed and start drinking again
I always thought the mom started drinking more as a way of coping with the fact that deep down she knows that this freddy guy is the one killing kids and he's going after her daughter and it's her (the parents) fault he exists due to their act of vengeance and murder.
There were extended scenes where it was revealed that Nancy wasn’t always an only child. On top of that the psychological damage of dealing with the fact for a brief moment she and the rest of the parents became “monsters”. So basically her mothers drinking and her father throwing himself into his work is there a way of dealing with the trauma of them Participating in covering up & the collective murder of Freddy.
The chin electrode is to help record muscle tension during REM. When you are in REM your muscles atrophy to "shut off" your body so you don't actually move in dreams. A drop in signal here means your muscles are relaxing.
That's not actually what atrophy means. When muscles atrophy, cells die from lack of use, so the muscles become less effective as a whole. When you sleep, your muscles relax and nerve impulses are inhibited from reaching the muscles, but the cells don't start to die off.
I looked up Virginia Madsen and had to check it wasn't actually her. Jesus, they're identical. My genuine first thought was that she looked like Susan Sarandon, though, so spot on with this comment.
There's some unexplored subtext that the adults in town are actually sacrificing their own children over and over to protect themselves from Freddy's revenge. That's why they play dumb and act mean to the kids. Maybe a bit like IT?
Dude the parallels to IT is incredible. Nobody talks enough about it. Especially considering the time stephen king was wrapping up the book, this movie comes out. Who took inspiration from who? 🤔
The observation about Depp's death scene brings up a good question: What DO other people see when they encounter a Freddy victim? Moreso with the more elaborate,over the top deaths in the later movies? Surely anyone else doesn't see a dead giant cockroach or something.
Well, one of my favorite horror kills is Tina's death. Still pretty fuckin scary and maybe provides an answer to half your question but it's a good point as far as the more surreal deaths go. I assume an "awake" third party wouldn't see the mutations/morphing stuff but would just see the victim being butchered etc like with Tina's murder.
Yeah it's always confusing trying to figure out how the real world body is affected by Freddy's nightmares. Cuts and such is easily translated, but then you have the weird stuff like Depp's death that somehow involves the real world bed becoming a blender. It's best not to think to hard about it I guess.
There's a lot of deaths in the series where you can actually see what other people see when encountering a Freddy's victim. Tina's death is seen basically 100% from awake people's point of view. Rod's death, to some extent, too. Just as Philipp's death in part 3 (he just sleepwalks towards the ledge and eventually falls over), Sheila in part 4 and Greta in part 5 choke to death, Dan in part 5 has a car accident.. and in part 6 we see Spencer bouncing around and John getting impaled by invisible spikes.
@@maciejkowalski2759 Maybe the parents that killed Freddy can see the carnage while they're awake because they're psychically linked to his dream/death world.
The electrode on her chin they mention is a "reference electrode". You record a signal from a place where no brain activity occurs and subtract it from the signals coming from the electrodes on her scalp. This helps remove all the background noise, signals from muscle activity, etc near the scalp.
So a different medium for Nightmare on Elm Street thing (I can't remember if it was a comic book or novel) did a fairly decent but not perfect explanation for what is happening at the end of NoES up until NoES3. The end is all a dream, but Nancy does successfully take away Freddy's power so he can't hurt her in anymore. He succeeds in killing Nancy's mother, but her being driven off in the car at the end is essentially her being sent to Westin Hills Psychiatric Hospital (which doesn't really stack up with NoES 3 entirely because then you would think at least Dr. Sims would recognize Nancy as being a former patient) where she finishes high school and then checks out of the hospital and goes to university to start her study of psychiatry and pattern nightmares. Since none of this was in a movie it might as well just be fan fiction, but I thought it did well enough explaining NoES1's terrible ending
6:35 In Heather's defense, her campy almost pulpy performance in this movie adds to the whole dream aesthetic. And by time New Nightmare rolls around, she is absolutely commanding attention. 8:43 Fun fact: He also appears in Tales from the Crypt: Demon Knight. Which is like character actor the movie. 9:05 This movie retroactively falls apart cuz Wes never intended this to be a franchise. So yes the WHOLE movie is supposed to be one big long dream/nightmare.
They got lucky with Parts Two and Three. I was in the 6th grade with Part two came out. I still hadn't seen the first one because it was Rated R and frankly it took a few months before people starting talking about how different and groundbreakingly scary the first one was. By the time it came out on video, the VHS was always sold out and the waiting list at Blockbuster Video to rent it was impossible! So by the time the sequel came out, everybody was rushing to theaters to see it! But eventually, people were talking more about the amazing special effects (Dick Smith!) and make-up than being scared. Part Three was my favorite but not because it was scary, because it wasn't. Three teens with superpowers in their dreams go up against Freddy! The franchise had become more Fantasy Adventure than horror. Freddy Kruger had become almost a comic book anti-villain/hero (my little sister had several posters of him in her bedroom. A lot of girls did, actually.) and you went to see the Nighmare series to be mesmerized by sfx instead of being scared. Part Four, to me, was a boring, uninteresting disaster, and the last Nightmare I paid to see in theaters. Directed by Renny Harlin (?!?) Dream Warrior is straight C-level adventure crap. Not an ounce of horror in the entire movie. But to honest, by 1988, the American horror genre was dead.
The part at the beginning when he's chasing Tina around the backyard and he stretches his arms out used to freak me out when I was little. I would literally close my eyes for the 5 seconds his arms are extended.
That's a terrible explanation, why would the others' blood be included when it's just Glenn being pulled down and what would people in the real world think when they see blood from all these different kids? I think a better explanation is it isn't only blood but rather his whole body having been liquefied. But either way, who cares really, it's a great scene and thus doesn't need an explanation.
Nightmare on Elm Street 2: 1) the gay subtext was inserted intentionally by the screenwriter who didn’t tell anyone about it (what the directors and actors did later was unintentional), 2) lead Jesse (actor Mark Patton) was closeted at the time, 3) the screenwriter gaslit Patton for decades, blaming the homoerotic subtext on his performance and denying he put in the subtext intentionally (he only admitted it recently), and 4) Patton retired not long after - he struggled as a closeted man in Hollywood, was in danger of being typecast in gay roles (he played a gay man in a Robert Altman film just prior), and saw many of his friends die during the AIDS crisis. Overall, the film is enjoyable campy fun and is a testament to how different each Nightmare entry really is.
I'm not sure if this commentary was recorded before Scream, Queen came out, and I'm sure Jay would have seen that. It's an amazing documentary that I've seen influence a lot of people who piss on Freddy's Revenge change their opinion about it.
I'm puzzled by the 'new' take on that movie. I don't think anybody at the time got, or cared about, any gay subtext. As a horror fan at the time I remember it being the 2nd Nightmare movie and nothing more. And so did reviews of the movie at the time.
When Lisa sees the ghost of Bleeding Gums Murphy and Darth Vader and the lion that says "You must avenge my death, Kimba- I mean, Simba". That was the writers taking a jab at Disney for ripping off a foreign animated feature called "Kimba: The White Lion". It's the exact same story as "The Lion King". Disney ripped it off and hoped no one would notice. Also, the basic story is the Shakespeare play "Hamlet".
This is the movie I point to with a great ost. Movies today miss a menacing and mysterious ost. The ost has a dreamy mystery to it. I miss when the killer has a stalking ost.
@@kaed_f 💯 agree. Love the soundtrack. I bought the game hyperlight drifter just because the same guy did the soundtrack. Sounds just like the movie soundtrack. Def can tell its the same guy.
Something that may or may not be mentioned is the Elm Street kids all had older siblings that were murdered by Freddy. The parents never,mention the kids all had brothers and sisters.
Me staring at the ceiling at midnight thinking about this dumb monster: "It's great writing because his weapon isn't very deadly at all but it is menacing which is his goal, to create fear."
It's weird, but Fred Krueger is less evil as an undead monster than he was as a human being. Yeah he kills people and scares them when he's "Freddie", but he was vile as a human being.
@@electricfishfan I think the show explained that he couldn't go after children anymore when he became a nightmare being. Children have too much imagination and no real understanding of death, so they're incredibly powerful in their dreams. He had to wait for them to be teenagers so he could stand a chance of killing them.
The mother is a mess because she knows (like every adult) that Freddy is real. She is coping with the new deaths, and keeping secrets. Also the ending shows the bottle to make you think it was all a dream, however the ending proves that l, this premise itself, was the dream. She thinks she woke up day one, and everything is how it was.
The conversation about Depp's lunch is why I miss the imdb comment section! It was full of sill shit like that. It was ridiculous fun! The debate about Ben Tramer and Ted Hollister, the 5 pages about the neighbors, in Halloween 2....just idiotic film debates...it was great! It was like cofee and cigarettes, with your friends, at 3 in the morning, talking about the dumbest things, until the sun came up... Good times :)
I saw an article that said "Stranger Things references Nightmare on Elm Street in new season". So apparently just casting Robert Englund is now a reference to Elm Street.
6:19 That was my problem with It Follows. They spend half the movie following a trail of clues to track down the original guy only for him to give them the exact same information he gave the girl at the beginning.
5:10 I get Mike's joke, although I wood have went with Billy Barty because we see him as a cameraman, in UHF! Or I would have went with, "There's a cameo from the luckiest man in the world!" But they don't seem to think too highly of Heather. Or they're just being themselves :) But I'm still going to say, I met Heather around 25 years ago and she is the nicest, down to earth and prettiest actress I've ever met! But it's also true that, she's not winning an Oscar anytime soon ;)
4:44 Fun fact, Robert Englund tried out for the role of Han Solo in Star Wars and let Mark Hamill know about the movie while they were still doing auditions.
There have been plenty of male Scream Queens since Nightmare 2, like in HellBent, Nick Jonas in Scream Queens, Evan Peters in AHS, all the way up to the protagonist of that new Chucky series.
Oh god, I watched the remake the other day but I'd forgotten about this commentary. Overall the remake isn't *TOO* bad, but I remember being appalled by that CGI hand/wall effect. So re-watching the commentary and hearing Jay talk about it is funny. The simple bit in the original is so much more effective, and is even quite a scary visual.
part 3 is the best one for me. part 1 is the second best. 3 blows away the 1st movie. better characters, way better special effects. and way wayyy better ending. the holy water shining through his body + a stop motion skeleton fight... its soooo sick, i love it. i love part one as well, but the last like 15 minutes are garbage
Nah not even close. Better special effects is subjective. The cast in part one had a million dollar budget in 1983 that was cut down with practical effects and it was ridiculously convincing. By part 3 they had their funding. The holy water through the body was so beyond cheesy, I mean really? I love Dream Warriors, but it wasn't even REMOTELY as scary or innovative. They literally use part one in college courses TO THIS DAY for dream studies, not part 3.
I actually don't mind the remake... okay, i think the first half of the original is better then the remake but i think the later half of the remake is better then the original. And i prefer the backstory of Freddy in the remake then the original. I think the idea of him being a caretaker for a primary school and him having a secret lair in his living area under the school is creepy, sounds like an urban myth of something that happened in the past in a small town or something. The part they find his secret lair in the basement and them finding the shoebox of photos is nasty, things like that happen. It's just creepy and fucked up.
Stop. Just stop. The fact you would credit the remake at ANY point as better than the original is pure trash to a point that is intolerable. That absolute laughing stock junk shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as the Craven masterpiece.
@@ThreadBomb Nah it's a masterpiece. Imagine calling something clunky that creative and inventive that had a measly million dollar budget with all of it's ingenuity. There's a reason they use it in universities to this day in sleep studies. Stop trying to be that guy, it's horror royalty.
Mike S logic: if a parent walks into a child’s room and see a torrent of blood on all the walls, the parent won’t immediately start yelling and freaking out. They will pause, and ask questions.
??? You mean like later on where Jay openly declares Depp is acting circles around her? Don't confuse this with having anything to do with the recent court case and the like.
@@MrStath1986 No. It was more of a reaction to his tone, the point she was barely adequate in Nightmare, and the idea I've never seen her associated with anything else.
5:57 I agree with Mike, the concepts and ideas are far better than the actual film execution, sure there's some great visuals but I'd seen them so much before actually seeing the film itself. In fact I always felt you could remake this and do it well, but I doubt it'll ever happen.
NOES2's reputation has actually gotten better over the years. It's the odd one out, plot-wise and regarding Freddy's MO, but his formula hadn't been established yet. It's a far better movie than parts 4, 5, 6, and even New Nightmare IMO.
@@yellowfamilyfunny3065 def for worse in part 4. They threw the horror out of the series and killed off the survivors of part 3 at the start. I can forgive part 2.
Man... I grew up with a kid named janke and, in my head, the term was always sort of a derogatory term towards him. Now I'm not sure if it was just a coincidence or what... I didn't know other people used the term.
@@danelynch7171 A lot of common words are actually derived from people's names. E.g. "blanket" actually comes from Thomas Blanket (Blanquette), a guy who made blankets in the 14th century.
9:55 I'm going to be a super snob and say, maybe the set designer was a fan of the Godfather and the orange was an homage. Or maybe they just went to Goodwill. ;)
I have a couple of fun facts about the Johnny Depp death scene in this movie: the first is that my mom went to see this in theaters, and when he died it scared her so badly she slept on the floor for a week. The second is that the rig that was used to flip the room short circuits at one point, and the blood gathers in one side of the room. Also someone got electrocuted by the same rig.
What I always wanted someone to do, is edit in parts of Home Alone, to go along with the booby traps, (or "Fart Bag" type humor) with Freddy, at the end. It's already very close to turning into Evil Dead 2, with some black humor, at Freddy's expense.
You guys are all over the place with the movies time line. It's kinda funny. So is Johnny Depp's surprise, when the bed eats him. Lol Originally, his body was supposed to come back out, after all the blood. Cutting it out was a good call. You can see the cut footage online.
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I can seriously listen to these three talk about movies and the film industry for days on end
Seriously! The best
Get a life.
@@CelestialWoodway no
Mike's GF could not
Same
I appreciate Wes Craven made no effort to hide the lines of palm trees and Los Angeles river walks despite the movie being set in Ohio.
The decision to set it in Ohio was made after principal photography had already been completed. Just another dumbass choice made by Bob Shaye that makes the movie make less sense, like the inflatable sex doll getting sucked through the window at the end.
Halloween 1978 had the same thing. You can clearly see the palm trees in the background of the scenes.
The location of Springwood was never mentioned until Freddy's Dead, I don't think it was supposed to be Ohio from the get go.
I can't believe Jay was on the set of Elm Street 2010
Really?!
@@thatonea-hole he tells the story early in this video genius 🤦♂️
I can’t believe it’s not butter
Jay's the perfect body double for a kid lol
Kevin MacCallister learned to do those traps against the Wet Bandits after he secretly watched this movie
Especially the torch trap!
Mom Uncle Frank won't let me watch the movie, but the big kids can why can't I??? It's not even rated R, he's just being a jerk.
These traps work for wet bandits just as well as for burn victims.
I always found it funny how the whole commentary felt like a favor to Jay, and a good amount of the time Mike and Rich are just shitting on the movie haha
Pretty sure Mike is a horror fan
Which is insane to me how Mike and Rich are movie aficionados and want to take a dump on this insanely innovative, legendary, unique piece of cinematic history.
@@chipchippahson It's also insane that Jay calls the second film the black sheep of the franchise.
@@chipchippahson I guess in the light of the present it's easier to see its many, many flaws, including its lack of genuine scares, imo.
@@Hoganply Hard disagree. The fact that movie was so scarce on budget it almost didn't get to see the light of day and one of the crew had to pay the wages of the actors on his credit card and it STILL turned out as amazing and innovative as it did is nothing short of mind blowing. It's a timeless master class on how to make a horror movie, from the unique idea to the music to the execution. Also, EASILY more scary in every way than these cliche, hack, jump scare horror movies of modern day.
"OH that kid....'ll never become a BLOOD volcano!!"
RIch is truly a gifted comedian, god damnit!!
That was hilarious
"We're gonna find out what that zit dreams of" killed me
The funniest part that still makes me giggle is when Freddy gets caught on fire and turns all foppish and tries to shoo away the flames.
Somebody said, Fair Warning.
I think it fits with his character as he was burned when he was alive.
Imagine how many people Freddy could have killed if he just stabbed them instead of jumping out from the shadows, yelling: "Surprise!"
Hell, even the countless seconds he'd save by JUST yelling "Surprise!" instead of "Surprise, BITCH!"
Bahahahahaha so true
This is why I couldn't enjoy the It movies; I know at first Pennywise was supposed to be intentionally prolonging it but beyond a certain point the BOOGABOOGA scares instead of just killing them became ludicrous.
He feeds on fear, it makes him stronger. Like pennywise
true, but it's not like freddy's got anything else going on, y'know? like his entire life is murder now so if all he does is just the same kills over and over again he's going to get depressed and start drinking again
I always thought the mom started drinking more as a way of coping with the fact that deep down she knows that this freddy guy is the one killing kids and he's going after her daughter and it's her (the parents) fault he exists due to their act of vengeance and murder.
Yeah that's what I thought too
That is way too logical for RLM commentaries man.
It’s a parents unending guilt and shame for their shitty kids also
Yeah she never drank before lel
There were extended scenes where it was revealed that Nancy wasn’t always an only child. On top of that the psychological damage of dealing with the fact for a brief moment she and the rest of the parents became “monsters”.
So basically her mothers drinking and her father throwing himself into his work is there a way of dealing with the trauma of them Participating in covering up & the collective murder of Freddy.
Mikes Freddy Krueger impression is really good!
"Thanks Bitch!" - Mike as Freddy
Just don’t involve the cops bitch
3:00 its some deep RLM lore featuring Kyle Gaulner.
I JUST noticed that, too! I had to do a double-take.
The chin electrode is to help record muscle tension during REM. When you are in REM your muscles atrophy to "shut off" your body so you don't actually move in dreams. A drop in signal here means your muscles are relaxing.
correct.. Ive been subjected to several tests. I had like 6 in the chin / jaw area alone.
@@martinrosendahl9134 lol shut up
That's not actually what atrophy means. When muscles atrophy, cells die from lack of use, so the muscles become less effective as a whole. When you sleep, your muscles relax and nerve impulses are inhibited from reaching the muscles, but the cells don't start to die off.
The mom looks like Virginia Madsen and Susan Sarandon merged into one person, with a touch of Shelley Duvall.
Lay off the crack.
I looked up Virginia Madsen and had to check it wasn't actually her. Jesus, they're identical. My genuine first thought was that she looked like Susan Sarandon, though, so spot on with this comment.
She does. Its like a bad photoshop of those actresses put together. She doesn't even look real, like she's wearing prosthetics or something
There's somethin wraung with the plumbing Harold! 👵🏻
There's some unexplored subtext that the adults in town are actually sacrificing their own children over and over to protect themselves from Freddy's revenge. That's why they play dumb and act mean to the kids.
Maybe a bit like IT?
Dude the parallels to IT is incredible. Nobody talks enough about it. Especially considering the time stephen king was wrapping up the book, this movie comes out. Who took inspiration from who? 🤔
The observation about Depp's death scene brings up a good question: What DO other people see when they encounter a Freddy victim? Moreso with the more elaborate,over the top deaths in the later movies? Surely anyone else doesn't see a dead giant cockroach or something.
Well, one of my favorite horror kills is Tina's death. Still pretty fuckin scary and maybe provides an answer to half your question but it's a good point as far as the more surreal deaths go. I assume an "awake" third party wouldn't see the mutations/morphing stuff but would just see the victim being butchered etc like with Tina's murder.
Yeah it's always confusing trying to figure out how the real world body is affected by Freddy's nightmares. Cuts and such is easily translated, but then you have the weird stuff like Depp's death that somehow involves the real world bed becoming a blender. It's best not to think to hard about it I guess.
There's a lot of deaths in the series where you can actually see what other people see when encountering a Freddy's victim. Tina's death is seen basically 100% from awake people's point of view. Rod's death, to some extent, too. Just as Philipp's death in part 3 (he just sleepwalks towards the ledge and eventually falls over), Sheila in part 4 and Greta in part 5 choke to death, Dan in part 5 has a car accident.. and in part 6 we see Spencer bouncing around and John getting impaled by invisible spikes.
@@maciejkowalski2759 Quality comment. You really know your stuff.
@@maciejkowalski2759 Maybe the parents that killed Freddy can see the carnage while they're awake because they're psychically linked to his dream/death world.
The electrode on her chin they mention is a "reference electrode".
You record a signal from a place where no brain activity occurs and subtract it from the signals coming from the electrodes on her scalp. This helps remove all the background noise, signals from muscle activity, etc near the scalp.
So a different medium for Nightmare on Elm Street thing (I can't remember if it was a comic book or novel) did a fairly decent but not perfect explanation for what is happening at the end of NoES up until NoES3. The end is all a dream, but Nancy does successfully take away Freddy's power so he can't hurt her in anymore. He succeeds in killing Nancy's mother, but her being driven off in the car at the end is essentially her being sent to Westin Hills Psychiatric Hospital (which doesn't really stack up with NoES 3 entirely because then you would think at least Dr. Sims would recognize Nancy as being a former patient) where she finishes high school and then checks out of the hospital and goes to university to start her study of psychiatry and pattern nightmares. Since none of this was in a movie it might as well just be fan fiction, but I thought it did well enough explaining NoES1's terrible ending
Thanks for uploading this footage. It got me to buy a bunch of the full riffs, which are as good as expected!
You Rock!
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6:35 In Heather's defense, her campy almost pulpy performance in this movie adds to the whole dream aesthetic. And by time New Nightmare rolls around, she is absolutely commanding attention.
8:43 Fun fact: He also appears in Tales from the Crypt: Demon Knight. Which is like character actor the movie.
9:05 This movie retroactively falls apart cuz Wes never intended this to be a franchise. So yes the WHOLE movie is supposed to be one big long dream/nightmare.
They got lucky with Parts Two and Three. I was in the 6th grade with Part two came out. I still hadn't seen the first one because it was Rated R and frankly it took a few months before people starting talking about how different and groundbreakingly scary the first one was. By the time it came out on video, the VHS was always sold out and the waiting list at Blockbuster Video to rent it was impossible! So by the time the sequel came out, everybody was rushing to theaters to see it! But eventually, people were talking more about the amazing special effects (Dick Smith!) and make-up than being scared. Part Three was my favorite but not because it was scary, because it wasn't. Three teens with superpowers in their dreams go up against Freddy! The franchise had become more Fantasy Adventure than horror. Freddy Kruger had become almost a comic book anti-villain/hero (my little sister had several posters of him in her bedroom. A lot of girls did, actually.) and you went to see the Nighmare series to be mesmerized by sfx instead of being scared. Part Four, to me, was a boring, uninteresting disaster, and the last Nightmare I paid to see in theaters. Directed by Renny Harlin (?!?) Dream Warrior is straight C-level adventure crap. Not an ounce of horror in the entire movie. But to honest, by 1988, the American horror genre was dead.
Rem Lazar is the best Nightmare sequel
That creepy nursery rhyme is nothing compared to Rem Lazar's pedophile ballad.
the blood volcano bit at 12:42 had me in tears
My boy would never become a blood fountain!
The Kyle Gallner thing dates back far 😂
See, Mike thought he was a janitor because the Simpsons eclipses all reality.
The part at the beginning when he's chasing Tina around the backyard and he stretches his arms out used to freak me out when I was little. I would literally close my eyes for the 5 seconds his arms are extended.
The blood thing was explained by Craven.
Craven said that the blood wasn't just Glenn's. It was the blood of all of Freddy's victims.
That's a terrible explanation, why would the others' blood be included when it's just Glenn being pulled down and what would people in the real world think when they see blood from all these different kids? I think a better explanation is it isn't only blood but rather his whole body having been liquefied. But either way, who cares really, it's a great scene and thus doesn't need an explanation.
@@davistoashh
Nightmare on Elm Street 2: 1) the gay subtext was inserted intentionally by the screenwriter who didn’t tell anyone about it (what the directors and actors did later was unintentional), 2) lead Jesse (actor Mark Patton) was closeted at the time, 3) the screenwriter gaslit Patton for decades, blaming the homoerotic subtext on his performance and denying he put in the subtext intentionally (he only admitted it recently), and 4) Patton retired not long after - he struggled as a closeted man in Hollywood, was in danger of being typecast in gay roles (he played a gay man in a Robert Altman film just prior), and saw many of his friends die during the AIDS crisis. Overall, the film is enjoyable campy fun and is a testament to how different each Nightmare entry really is.
I'm not sure if this commentary was recorded before Scream, Queen came out, and I'm sure Jay would have seen that. It's an amazing documentary that I've seen influence a lot of people who piss on Freddy's Revenge change their opinion about it.
I'm puzzled by the 'new' take on that movie. I don't think anybody at the time got, or cared about, any gay subtext. As a horror fan at the time I remember it being the 2nd Nightmare movie and nothing more. And so did reviews of the movie at the time.
So what you're saying is that all the Jay homoerotic moments were written intentionally by Mike with the intention of gaslighting Jay for decades.
Why would it be bad for a gay man to be typecast in gay roles?
HOLLOYWOOD WAS NEVER 'CLOSETED"
I didn't know the Simpson's "Klang klang you're dead" joke was based in a real Star wars R2D2 anecdote
When Lisa sees the ghost of Bleeding Gums Murphy and Darth Vader and the lion that says "You must avenge my death, Kimba- I mean, Simba". That was the writers taking a jab at Disney for ripping off a foreign animated feature called "Kimba: The White Lion". It's the exact same story as "The Lion King". Disney ripped it off and hoped no one would notice. Also, the basic story is the Shakespeare play "Hamlet".
@@Vaporvice84 it’s been debunked that lion king was a ripoff of kimba the white lion. YMS has covered this extensively :)
@@rileyrobin2 yes, it's totally true.
If you seem the Kimba series, it's obvious the two are not related.
Love the cameo of Roger Rabbit as the doctor!
What about the scene where the dummy gets sucked through the window? lol
That scene scared the fuckin shit out of me back in the day.
Yeah, it's hokey but it's effective.
I spent a day hanging out with Kenny Baker at a con in Kansas City. He was an amazing dude.
This is the movie I point to with a great ost. Movies today miss a menacing and mysterious ost. The ost has a dreamy mystery to it. I miss when the killer has a stalking ost.
This is why it follows had such a big response
@@kaed_f 💯 agree. Love the soundtrack. I bought the game hyperlight drifter just because the same guy did the soundtrack. Sounds just like the movie soundtrack. Def can tell its the same guy.
Who else is here because of the RLM Kyle Garner triple feature video???
Something that may or may not be mentioned is the Elm Street kids all had older siblings that were murdered by Freddy. The parents never,mention the kids all had brothers and sisters.
Me staring at the ceiling at midnight thinking about this dumb monster: "It's great writing because his weapon isn't very deadly at all but it is menacing which is his goal, to create fear."
It's weird, but Fred Krueger is less evil as an undead monster than he was as a human being. Yeah he kills people and scares them when he's "Freddie", but he was vile as a human being.
Yep, going after older teens is at least more fair, honestly
@@electricfishfan I think the show explained that he couldn't go after children anymore when he became a nightmare being. Children have too much imagination and no real understanding of death, so they're incredibly powerful in their dreams. He had to wait for them to be teenagers so he could stand a chance of killing them.
the "gay one" is actually my fav of the whole series lol. mostly because of that fucking pool scene.
I did not know that Roger Rabbit AND R2-D2 were in this!
The mother is a mess because she knows (like every adult) that Freddy is real. She is coping with the new deaths, and keeping secrets. Also the ending shows the bottle to make you think it was all a dream, however the ending proves that l, this premise itself, was the dream. She thinks she woke up day one, and everything is how it was.
I love the sound of men screaming together lol
Did you know that, years after this film, Johnny Depp would go on to have a grown woman take a rage shit in his bed? Very interesting
Best horror movie idea ever and my favorite horror film.
The conversation about Depp's lunch is why I miss the imdb comment section!
It was full of sill shit like that. It was ridiculous fun!
The debate about Ben Tramer and Ted Hollister,
the 5 pages about the neighbors, in Halloween 2....just idiotic film debates...it was great!
It was like cofee and cigarettes, with your friends, at 3 in the morning, talking about the dumbest things, until the sun came up...
Good times :)
Damn, Jay just out here exposing Jackie Earle Haley.
2:54 Kyle Gallagner lore runs deep
I forgot that this movie had a “home alone” style booby trap thing going on
I saw an article that said "Stranger Things references Nightmare on Elm Street in new season".
So apparently just casting Robert Englund is now a reference to Elm Street.
And also the fact that the villain does the exact same thing as Freddy
6:19 That was my problem with It Follows. They spend half the movie following a trail of clues to track down the original guy only for him to give them the exact same information he gave the girl at the beginning.
Englund will forever be "that guy from V" to me too.
5:10 I get Mike's joke, although I wood have went with Billy Barty because we see him as a cameraman, in UHF!
Or I would have went with, "There's a cameo from the luckiest man in the world!"
But they don't seem to think too highly of Heather. Or they're just being themselves :)
But I'm still going to say, I met Heather around 25 years ago and she is the nicest, down to earth and prettiest actress I've ever met!
But it's also true that, she's not winning an Oscar anytime soon ;)
It’s funny to hear Jay talk about part 2 now vs then.
You're doing the lord's work.
The Doctor was also in the tv show Welcome Back, Kotter.
The orange on the wall looks like it's out of The Very Hungry Caterpillar
lmao Mike's Freddy voice is so good
I want to see an RLM commentary with Macaulay Culkin and them going over a lot of his movies as a kid.
4:44 Fun fact, Robert Englund tried out for the role of Han Solo in Star Wars and let Mark Hamill know about the movie while they were still doing auditions.
That Kenny baker impression was more like a Warwick Davis impression (but idk what Kenny baker sounds like)
Hes also british so fairly similar in a sense
There have been plenty of male Scream Queens since Nightmare 2, like in HellBent, Nick Jonas in Scream Queens, Evan Peters in AHS, all the way up to the protagonist of that new Chucky series.
Oh god, I watched the remake the other day but I'd forgotten about this commentary. Overall the remake isn't *TOO* bad, but I remember being appalled by that CGI hand/wall effect. So re-watching the commentary and hearing Jay talk about it is funny. The simple bit in the original is so much more effective, and is even quite a scary visual.
The actress playing the Mom is a best friend of Joni Mitchell. She also looks amazing as a raven haired brunette
Mike is just listening with indifference while wishing he could talk hours about a Star Trek episode.
8:36 my elementary school had the same cat holding onto a street trolley picture hung up on the wall.
The school was my High School, John Marshall
my high school was John Marshall.
The Kenny Baker impression broke me
Jay....how dare you honestly. Heather is so delightful in this movie and remains my favorite "final girl".
part 3 best one by far
I'd say 3 was the 2nd best. The first half of the original is a masterpiece, very hard to tell if the scenes were set in a dream or reality.
part 3 is the best one for me. part 1 is the second best. 3 blows away the 1st movie. better characters, way better special effects. and way wayyy better ending. the holy water shining through his body + a stop motion skeleton fight... its soooo sick, i love it. i love part one as well, but the last like 15 minutes are garbage
Hated that one myself.
@@CelestialWoodway why?
Nah not even close. Better special effects is subjective. The cast in part one had a million dollar budget in 1983 that was cut down with practical effects and it was ridiculously convincing. By part 3 they had their funding. The holy water through the body was so beyond cheesy, I mean really? I love Dream Warriors, but it wasn't even REMOTELY as scary or innovative. They literally use part one in college courses TO THIS DAY for dream studies, not part 3.
Another cool thing is the teacher(Lin Shaye) from Nightmare on Elm Street is now the main character in the "Insidious" movies.
Johnny Depp's dad in this looks like a very overweight Syd Mead.
The mother looks like Gillian Anderson.
Still a brilliant scary film, epic!
I actually don't mind the remake... okay, i think the first half of the original is better then the remake but i think the later half of the remake is better then the original. And i prefer the backstory of Freddy in the remake then the original. I think the idea of him being a caretaker for a primary school and him having a secret lair in his living area under the school is creepy, sounds like an urban myth of something that happened in the past in a small town or something. The part they find his secret lair in the basement and them finding the shoebox of photos is nasty, things like that happen. It's just creepy and fucked up.
I thought it was decent too.
Stop. Just stop. The fact you would credit the remake at ANY point as better than the original is pure trash to a point that is intolerable. That absolute laughing stock junk shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as the Craven masterpiece.
@@chipchippahson It's not a masterpiece. It's pretty clunky in terms of plot, acting, and some of the effects.
@@ThreadBomb Nah it's a masterpiece. Imagine calling something clunky that creative and inventive that had a measly million dollar budget with all of it's ingenuity. There's a reason they use it in universities to this day in sleep studies. Stop trying to be that guy, it's horror royalty.
@@ThreadBomb the effects are awesome
Mike S logic: if a parent walks into a child’s room and see a torrent of blood on all the walls, the parent won’t immediately start yelling and freaking out. They will pause, and ask questions.
I like how Heather Lagenkamp's name was invoked like she was a consummate actress and Depp never had a chance 😝
??? You mean like later on where Jay openly declares Depp is acting circles around her? Don't confuse this with having anything to do with the recent court case and the like.
@@MrStath1986 No. It was more of a reaction to his tone, the point she was barely adequate in Nightmare, and the idea I've never seen her associated with anything else.
my favorite nightmares movies are part. 2 and 5 I love them
The bottle hiding thing is a reference to Black Christmas
I know it's not just me.... The mom from Nightmare on Elm Street is hot as a hell back then! Yikes
Charles Fleischer play in Tales from the Crypt: Demon Knight as Wally Enfield his best performance
I love this movie, but I don't think I have ever seen what they show at 7:13-7:17 before.
5:57 I agree with Mike, the concepts and ideas are far better than the actual film execution, sure there's some great visuals but I'd seen them so much before actually seeing the film itself. In fact I always felt you could remake this and do it well, but I doubt it'll ever happen.
NOES2's reputation has actually gotten better over the years. It's the odd one out, plot-wise and regarding Freddy's MO, but his formula hadn't been established yet. It's a far better movie than parts 4, 5, 6, and even New Nightmare IMO.
Four is dumb as dogshit but its also really fun but which is more than can be said for dream child.
Bro I was totally agreeing with you till you threw New Nightmare into that mess. It's a great movie IMO.
@@yellowfamilyfunny3065 def for worse in part 4. They threw the horror out of the series and killed off the survivors of part 3 at the start. I can forgive part 2.
No, no it’s not…. Nightmare 2 is literally one of the worst ones in the series
eh not sure about 4, i quite like that one tbh
Freddie's worst nightmare: He wake up to Chris Hansen "have a seat, funions, and condoms huh?"
This made me realize i saw the remake mirr recently than the original and I also dont remember the remake except that I dont like freddys mouth
4:11 "I can't get over how janke that hat is.."
Is that a widely used description of something??
Only when something is janky.
Janky is a fairly widely used slang for shitty and jank is an abbreviations. I have called things jank before.
Man... I grew up with a kid named janke and, in my head, the term was always sort of a derogatory term towards him. Now I'm not sure if it was just a coincidence or what... I didn't know other people used the term.
@@danelynch7171 A lot of common words are actually derived from people's names. E.g. "blanket" actually comes from Thomas Blanket (Blanquette), a guy who made blankets in the 14th century.
Don’t get Munsoned
If you want to see a movie that absolutely nails the feeling of being in a dream, watch Paperhouse by Bernard Rose (the director of Candyman)
I just realized Beth from Better Off Dead is in this.
Also something missed, Lin Shaye plays their teacher! She looks so young😭
Completely forgot there was a remake.
did it get deleted?
9:55
I'm going to be a super snob and say, maybe the set designer was a fan of the Godfather and the orange was an homage.
Or maybe they just went to Goodwill. ;)
I still enjoy the first 3 Nightmare movies. Freddy was still creepy then but then they turned him into a comedian 😳😳
The mother is an alcoholic from the start. One of her first scenes she's pouring gin at 8 in the morning.
How about they are supposed to be In Indiana or Illinois but they show palm trees
It's supposed to be California in the original. Later sequels moved it to Springwood, Ohio.
I thought you had more uploads on here
So how do you watch full commentaries from RLM? They’re not on the channel, or are they and I’m dumb?
Why didn't you finish it?
I have a couple of fun facts about the Johnny Depp death scene in this movie: the first is that my mom went to see this in theaters, and when he died it scared her so badly she slept on the floor for a week.
The second is that the rig that was used to flip the room short circuits at one point, and the blood gathers in one side of the room.
Also someone got electrocuted by the same rig.
The fuck was fun about any of that?
What I always wanted someone to do, is edit in parts of Home Alone, to go along with the booby traps, (or "Fart Bag" type humor) with Freddy, at the end.
It's already very close to turning into Evil Dead 2, with some black humor, at Freddy's expense.
Jay wouldn't make fun of Jackie Earle Haley's height had Haley said he loved the original movie.
I always thought Heather Langenkamp was hot.
👁
She was an absolute smokeshow. No doubt about it.
Gorgeous and a good b-movie actress. She just isn't in the same league as Johnny Depp.
Same here.
Especially in New Nightmare. Oof.
You guys are all over the place with the movies time line. It's kinda funny.
So is Johnny Depp's surprise, when the bed eats him.
Lol
Originally, his body was supposed to come back out, after all the blood. Cutting it out was a good call.
You can see the cut footage online.