I can’t imagine putting in so much effort to make such a gorgeous and fun game and getting 57% positive reviews because people think it’s too difficult.
thats how it is these days. 1990: "dude come over by the weekend, to check out this insanely difficult nintendo game I just got. lets see who beats it quicker" 2023: "what, did i just lose in this game? i want my money back!!!"
I think it's still missing QOL things that a lot of games in the same field (tiny dev team, lots of brainwork, rng) have covered already. I'm thinkin Slice and Dice on this field i guess
Thing is, there needs to be a balance. It's all fine and dandy that there are some people who are having an easier time of it than others, whether that be because they have experience in the genre, or are more suited to the gameplay, but part a game needs to be able to attract new players as well. I think the game is great, but I do think it needs some balance adjustments. NL only really got to show off Act 1 in the video so it's hard to really show people what the complaints are about. Act 1 is actually fairly standard in terms of difficulty, its the jump to Act 2 that's turning people away. I think the main issue is pacing and a lack of agency in Act 1. Act 1 has only a few choices you can make before the boss and then you're immediately chucked into act 2 where the fights are a LOT more brutal and require much more mastery of the mechanics then Act 1. It's very easy to beat the act 1 boss only to immediately get bodied by the first fight in act 2. I think this is a result of the devs wanting the game to be difficult enough to warrant experienced players to want to keep playing it, but it means newer players get frustrated banging their head against the wall, especially because there are fights that counter certain decks HARD. While I don't think its impossible, and the Act 2 fights are more of a skill check then being unbalanced, I think this game could have really benefited from a similar system to ascension in StS. That way you have something for players to work towards, but you can give them a more gradual progression of difficulty rather then slamming them in the face with a sudden difficulty spike.
The game is gorgeous and a whole lot of fun, it actually saddens me to see the reviews be so negative.. Although I do agree with SOME of the sentiment expressed in the negative reviews, holistically I think the game is a solid 8/10. Hopefully after the next update we'll see some of the negative reviews flip 🙃
ive beaten the game (fr) in 24 hours and friends please give it a shot, the reviews are so wrong the game is so fun even losing is fun it may be a deckbuilder but i honestly think the game is more like trying to tune a rube goldberg machine in your favour its so so much fun
I think the problem is people thought its slay the spire like and game is nothing like sls. It's a card game but its like comparing fire emblem to final fantasy. Both are turn based but take different thinking to be good at.
Jupp! Took me a day to beat the final boss, have yet to beat myself though, was a pretty op build. It requires your attention, and thinking a few steps ahead, but it's not unbalanced or too hard. Sure some things can always be tweaked, but the core game is phenomenal imo.
One of my favorite deck builders for sure. Tried it after seeing NL play it. Game is tough at first but once you get mechanics down it's not too bad. Balance isn't an issue. Really a shame the reviews are negative, it's an excellent game. Very fun and unique mechanics, fantastic art, music and sound are well done. I'm frankly shocked at the reviews.
the game becomes gradually more fun after youve unlocked a bunch of shit, and i think whats actually kinda wack are the leaders, which are less interesting than most random allies and how some stuff is locked behind unrelated stuff (get 40 coins from gobling unlocks kill 10 enemies through shrooms) if it were 40 coins unlocks 100 coins id get it, but having already killed enemies through shrooms and only 5 runs later the game is offering a reward for me to do it is kind of a bummer
Got 3 clears thus far in 8 hours, it's reallllly not that hard. Requires a lot of thought but that's why it's so good- yet to have a fight where I didn't screw up from my own mistake or realising my deck wasn't good enough. That's what makes a good deckbuikder....I encourage those who enjoy it to vote positive on steam to help bump it up to at least 80% positive- it deserves it
I have been playing myself for the past couple days nearly nonstop. I love how cute this game is and the puzzle element of each battle! I ended up beating it once after many many attempts but I got better and better! Similar to my experience with Isaac back in the day! Looking forward to playing more today
"Move you in front, so you can survive" *End card pops up* Gotta love when that happens. But yeah, people are exaggerating about the difficulty. I don't often make to the end in roguelikes, but I've beaten two runs of this game within a few days of playing it. You really shouldn't play the coward's way this early on. Right now is when you should be experimenting, figuring out the mechanics as much as possible. That was my approach, too. Whenever I didn't know how something would work, I'd try it out, even if it would cost me the run.
The game is reasonably challenging and slightly unbalanced, but it has the much bigger issue of not giving the player any agency at all. Compared to StS, there's no pathing, no relics, no card upgrades, no events and overall much less ability to improve your deck before the final boss. Very little was added to replace these mechanics, and combined with a lack of ascensions, it's a pretty underwhelming package gameplay-wise. That said, i agree it should be a "very positive" on Steam, given that similar games have that rating.
NL:"move this guy up so he takes the hit" me:"*nods* uhm uhm" *youtube end cards pop up* me:"*shakes head* no nope thats not gonna work" NL:"THE BARRAGE"
I love Vinnysauce, but comparatively, NL introducing the starting combat of this game really shows his prowess at showcasing game mechanics. I found this game a bit dull before but NOW I want to play too :3
@@manfromaland It's unbalanced for double digit IQ, which is almost half the population, which is very close to the % of negative reviews. Not saying the 2 things are related, but it's a funny coincidence.
I hate two fights. The teeth one with the enemy that grants aimless to my team, and the Minotaur fight. 7 attack even if aimless basically guarantees someone is dying. Great game, but those two battles in particular make me rage.
It’s interesting, when I see people talk about how hard a game is, it makes me want to try them even more. I play my games on normal but overall harder games have always appealed to me due to the challenge. Most times it just ends up that the people calling it hard never got a solid grasp of the game mechanics to actually do good.
Did anybody complain this much about Slay The Spire when it came out? Because STS is pretty damn hard too, for beginners. There's definitely a distinction between "this is too hard" vs "I'm missing something here."
I’ve played 10ish runs and beat it once. It’s not that it’s necessarily hard imo, just take focus so you don’t mess up a single turn. It snowballs (no pun intended) very quickly when you misplay…
This is a lovely game. Yeah I had some failed attempts before winning but didn't feel too hard when I got access to all three tribes and could actually deal with the end boss effectively.
@@slimboarder.o7 what, most aimless enemies are like snowmen with 1 attack and 4 HP. I actually counted, and so far two enemies have aimless, and one makes your team become aimless. Thats 3 enemies out of 53 I have encountered so far. You’re exaggerating a little bit.
took me like 30 tries but i finally beat it for the first time warning spoilers from here then my cards became the final boss for the next run i have lol. Personally i really like that fact where each run you win you have to fight your past deck which makes it progressively harder and more interesting to play.
Yeah man I'm on 3 clears now and my new boss is an absolute killer- I stacked up loads of multi hits and peppers which breezed me through the fight but facing against one of my companions with 20 health 7 attack x 5 Fury is pretty damn brutal haha- think I will need to go some junk to block it and poison or something to wittle it down, or just snow to stop it entirely. Very engaging game I love the difficulty
@@Illianor123 lol has nothing to do with being "hard or strategic", the base game simply scales too fast with its current rng. Funny enough if they made the roads to every boss 1 or 2 longer I think it'd be fine.
This! This video right here is the reason why I love watching Northernlion over any other youtuber who plays these style of games! HE ACTUALLY THINKS ABOUT THINGS
![Noob To Max With DRAGON REWORK In Blox Fruits [FULL MOVIE]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/LnBMOinoOvA/mqdefault.jpg)
I love when NL plays games with a cutesy style and has to say things like “I’m going to spicy pepper the ooba bear” in his regular cadence
SAP in a nutshell!
@@sushantheshreztha8777spice me
I guess that’s the appeal of NL’s auto pets series.
@@sushantheshreztha8777 exactly 😂
I can’t imagine putting in so much effort to make such a gorgeous and fun game and getting 57% positive reviews because people think it’s too difficult.
thats how it is these days. 1990: "dude come over by the weekend, to check out this insanely difficult nintendo game I just got. lets see who beats it quicker"
2023: "what, did i just lose in this game? i want my money back!!!"
and it's a *TWO* person dev team. Majority of modern "gamers" are so entitled it's actually insane
@@benjiwebbe9148 dude stfu with this 'people nowadays are different than they were when i was young'
I think it's still missing QOL things that a lot of games in the same field (tiny dev team, lots of brainwork, rng) have covered already. I'm thinkin Slice and Dice on this field i guess
Thing is, there needs to be a balance. It's all fine and dandy that there are some people who are having an easier time of it than others, whether that be because they have experience in the genre, or are more suited to the gameplay, but part a game needs to be able to attract new players as well. I think the game is great, but I do think it needs some balance adjustments. NL only really got to show off Act 1 in the video so it's hard to really show people what the complaints are about. Act 1 is actually fairly standard in terms of difficulty, its the jump to Act 2 that's turning people away.
I think the main issue is pacing and a lack of agency in Act 1. Act 1 has only a few choices you can make before the boss and then you're immediately chucked into act 2 where the fights are a LOT more brutal and require much more mastery of the mechanics then Act 1. It's very easy to beat the act 1 boss only to immediately get bodied by the first fight in act 2. I think this is a result of the devs wanting the game to be difficult enough to warrant experienced players to want to keep playing it, but it means newer players get frustrated banging their head against the wall, especially because there are fights that counter certain decks HARD.
While I don't think its impossible, and the Act 2 fights are more of a skill check then being unbalanced, I think this game could have really benefited from a similar system to ascension in StS. That way you have something for players to work towards, but you can give them a more gradual progression of difficulty rather then slamming them in the face with a sudden difficulty spike.
NL giving steam reviewers shit for not reading text in game is rich. He's correct but it's also pretty funny.
I actually laughed out loud when he said that
He also doesn’t read text but he doesn’t shit on the game because of it
@@DerfyRed Sometimes he does
@@DerfyRed dredge
@@patrickburke3098 but dredge wasn't worth reading
I love how almost everybody who plays it for the first time completely ignores the moving companions mechanic and get insanely bodied by that
For real I was heated when he refused to do that
Yeah, wait for 10+ games when they understand that you could call back your allies to save them
I was lucky enough to watch RT play it first, who actually read the tutorial messages
I was surprised NL didn't do thst more
19:33 "Start me off with a pinkberry juice on big berry, just so he lives" -> Big Berry immediately dies.
Comedic timing strikes again.
Same with the very last play
"Let's move our leader back so he doesn't die" *dies to barrage*
Oh god, now I have to learn the mechanics of a new game so that I can leave condescending comments on these vods
Not a bad idea, its a good game lol
You can just do that without getting the game.
32:28
NL blundering away his leader and as he utters the word 'survive' the end cards flash up on screen, cementing his fate.
The NL end card comedic timing combo is a hood classic
@@vmp916 did somebody say Spelunky?
The game is gorgeous and a whole lot of fun, it actually saddens me to see the reviews be so negative.. Although I do agree with SOME of the sentiment expressed in the negative reviews, holistically I think the game is a solid 8/10. Hopefully after the next update we'll see some of the negative reviews flip 🙃
They’ve done studies, you know. 57% of the time, it works every time.
ive beaten the game (fr) in 24 hours
and friends please give it a shot, the reviews are so wrong the game is so fun
even losing is fun
it may be a deckbuilder but i honestly think the game is more like trying to tune a rube goldberg machine in your favour
its so so much fun
Yeah, definitely the most unique take on Slay the Spire type of games. Feels like I am playing a puzzle game times.
I think the problem is people thought its slay the spire like and game is nothing like sls. It's a card game but its like comparing fire emblem to final fantasy. Both are turn based but take different thinking to be good at.
fr means for real or in french?
@@cryptorcd9352 yeah. It takes at least a couple of hours to understand all the unexplained mechanics.
Jupp! Took me a day to beat the final boss, have yet to beat myself though, was a pretty op build.
It requires your attention, and thinking a few steps ahead, but it's not unbalanced or too hard. Sure some things can always be tweaked, but the core game is phenomenal imo.
Watching this dredged up some archaic memories of playing that Adventure Time deckbuilder from the early 2010's
dredge spotting
card wars enjoyer
I floop my pig on your corn field
god I really wish they'd bring that game back on steam
Dredge mentioned
Watching NL misplay in a way that will kill him, then seeing the next video get recommended just before he died is hilarious to me
I really hope he doesn't decide it's too hard and stop playing it in two days.
good news, he already stopped
@@laureloneiros1500 He didn't. He was playing it yesterday.
@@laureloneiros1500 Good news, you're completely wrong
@@laureloneiros1500another good news, you’re irrelevant
Scrappy sword showing crappy while in hand is so clever
Nice catch!
One of my favorite deck builders for sure. Tried it after seeing NL play it. Game is tough at first but once you get mechanics down it's not too bad. Balance isn't an issue. Really a shame the reviews are negative, it's an excellent game. Very fun and unique mechanics, fantastic art, music and sound are well done. I'm frankly shocked at the reviews.
I think the issue is they give stuff really high health. Without that, it'd not be as challenging, but it's very frustrating with it
God damn the battle music goes hard.
Losing my mind that someone thought the first boss was too hard- this game doesn’t deserve any of those negative reviews
Library man has teased us all with this stream lol
Finally it's here! 🎉🎉
the game becomes gradually more fun after youve unlocked a bunch of shit, and i think whats actually kinda wack are the leaders, which are less interesting than most random allies and how some stuff is locked behind unrelated stuff (get 40 coins from gobling unlocks kill 10 enemies through shrooms)
if it were 40 coins unlocks 100 coins id get it, but having already killed enemies through shrooms and only 5 runs later the game is offering a reward for me to do it is kind of a bummer
Loved NL the starting game banter... then things got hard. :)
This game is so cool, I would love to see more videos on it!
Looks great, will pick this up.
Got 3 clears thus far in 8 hours, it's reallllly not that hard. Requires a lot of thought but that's why it's so good- yet to have a fight where I didn't screw up from my own mistake or realising my deck wasn't good enough. That's what makes a good deckbuikder....I encourage those who enjoy it to vote positive on steam to help bump it up to at least 80% positive- it deserves it
This game looks great! Hoping he plays more of it.
Can't wait for all the maple-themed enemies when you hit that section of the map. So that's where all the syrup you make in Mon Bazou goes.
this game looks incredible
finaly seeing you playing this. most of the time your thought process about builds is the most entertaining thing about rougelike games
This is such a great game to watch
I have been playing myself for the past couple days nearly nonstop. I love how cute this game is and the puzzle element of each battle! I ended up beating it once after many many attempts but I got better and better! Similar to my experience with Isaac back in the day! Looking forward to playing more today
"Move you in front, so you can survive"
*End card pops up*
Gotta love when that happens.
But yeah, people are exaggerating about the difficulty. I don't often make to the end in roguelikes, but I've beaten two runs of this game within a few days of playing it.
You really shouldn't play the coward's way this early on. Right now is when you should be experimenting, figuring out the mechanics as much as possible. That was my approach, too. Whenever I didn't know how something would work, I'd try it out, even if it would cost me the run.
The style is so nice!
Very good game. Most people who wrote negative reviews are full of rubbish.
The game is reasonably challenging and slightly unbalanced, but it has the much bigger issue of not giving the player any agency at all. Compared to StS, there's no pathing, no relics, no card upgrades, no events and overall much less ability to improve your deck before the final boss. Very little was added to replace these mechanics, and combined with a lack of ascensions, it's a pretty underwhelming package gameplay-wise. That said, i agree it should be a "very positive" on Steam, given that similar games have that rating.
Music slightly reminds me of Gigantic. Miss that aesthetically pleasing game, it was the game that filled the Paragon shaped hole in my soul.
Good news, as of november 19th 2024, Wildfrost is sitting at a "very positive" on steam
"... I put you in front so you can survive this hit" Meanwhile end cards are blocking half the screen :D
Immediately beat the letting honey sleep for once allegations.
But why isn't this part of his 'Wake up honey' series?
NL:"move this guy up so he takes the hit"
me:"*nods* uhm uhm"
*youtube end cards pop up*
me:"*shakes head* no nope thats not gonna work"
NL:"THE BARRAGE"
I really dig the artwork.
I was waiting for him to play this so bad
This game looks so unique en well-made. Really nice to see a game that's less basic
I dunno, that first combat seemed like Father Gascoigne levels of difficulty for a first boss kappa
Game was made for Enelle Eggdad Ryab Gary Fall Man Jokah Dredge Peglin Gourd fr fr
I love Vinnysauce, but comparatively, NL introducing the starting combat of this game really shows his prowess at showcasing game mechanics. I found this game a bit dull before but NOW I want to play too :3
When he's in the middle of a fight and you see the end card pull up monkaW
This is sick! Hope we get more videos
NL is correct, people simply are just bad and can't handle this game. The reviews are incorrect.
I beat the game my second try, and every time I died I didnt feel like it was out of my control. I don't see what is so unbalanced about it
@@manfromaland It's unbalanced for double digit IQ, which is almost half the population, which is very close to the % of negative reviews. Not saying the 2 things are related, but it's a funny coincidence.
That game looks really fun
I hate two fights. The teeth one with the enemy that grants aimless to my team, and the Minotaur fight. 7 attack even if aimless basically guarantees someone is dying. Great game, but those two battles in particular make me rage.
It’s interesting, when I see people talk about how hard a game is, it makes me want to try them even more. I play my games on normal but overall harder games have always appealed to me due to the challenge. Most times it just ends up that the people calling it hard never got a solid grasp of the game mechanics to actually do good.
Did anybody complain this much about Slay The Spire when it came out? Because STS is pretty damn hard too, for beginners. There's definitely a distinction between "this is too hard" vs "I'm missing something here."
StS is pretty easy from m'y expérience was able to beat it pretty fast
@@slimboarder.o7 was that your experience on release of the game? Or after a few years of balancing changes ?
@@yungkenwud6397 last version
us egg fans r used to thinking games
NL missed out on brutal orchestra he better not miss out on wildfrost
many people are saying this
damn, AND wargroove 2 is coming out. chucklefish is back baby
YOU HAD ALL SUMMER TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU DO
Damn, this game is gorgeous!
I hope you play more of this game
Pls more of this game I want to see NL finish at least one run
After docking at the same location 7 times, I couldn’t figure out I needed to give the old man the medallion. This game balance is too hard 6:02
I’ve played 10ish runs and beat it once. It’s not that it’s necessarily hard imo, just take focus so you don’t mess up a single turn. It snowballs (no pun intended) very quickly when you misplay…
The music is BUMPIN
Difficulty has that CBT difficulty. Love it
“It’s too hard” have you tried not being terrible at life?
How long before he ragequits it like the Dredge incident ? Make your bets...
I'm pretty much the same as NL. If a game gets review-bombed for being too hard, it instantly makes me want to play it.
I rate the the game a 9/10, its really fun its just that rng may screw you over sometimes
Give this game a year and that 57% review will jump on 90%
the music SLAPS
This is a lovely game. Yeah I had some failed attempts before winning but didn't feel too hard when I got access to all three tribes and could actually deal with the end boss effectively.
So glad this just came to Game Pass. The negative reviews are baffling to me.
so sad to see so many negative reviews complaining about how the game is too hard
literally a skill issue
This game is amazing, I have done nothing else than playing it on my free time for the past days. How on earth isn’t this 98% on Steam is beyond me!
Game's pretty rng based like half the ennemys have aimless
@@slimboarder.o7 what, most aimless enemies are like snowmen with 1 attack and 4 HP. I actually counted, and so far two enemies have aimless, and one makes your team become aimless. Thats 3 enemies out of 53 I have encountered so far. You’re exaggerating a little bit.
Game seems like a ton of fun!
Please more of this
took me like 30 tries but i finally beat it for the first time warning spoilers from here then my cards became the final boss for the next run i have lol. Personally i really like that fact where each run you win you have to fight your past deck which makes it progressively harder and more interesting to play.
Yeah man I'm on 3 clears now and my new boss is an absolute killer- I stacked up loads of multi hits and peppers which breezed me through the fight but facing against one of my companions with 20 health 7 attack x 5 Fury is pretty damn brutal haha- think I will need to go some junk to block it and poison or something to wittle it down, or just snow to stop it entirely. Very engaging game I love the difficulty
I hope he tries aces and adventures sometime
This game seems cool, there's just a lot to pay attention to.
Would love this added to the rotation, once they do some balancing this could definitely become one of the best card rougelikes.
Being hard and strategic doesn’t mean imbalanced.
@@Illianor123 Not necessarily, but it can.
@@Illianor123 lol has nothing to do with being "hard or strategic", the base game simply scales too fast with its current rng. Funny enough if they made the roads to every boss 1 or 2 longer I think it'd be fine.
This game is on level to slay the spire. If they make.more levels and have different snow biome it might suppass slay the spire
Man this game looks hype.
This is just great 👍
They should come out with an easy mode and call it snow flake mod lol
I need this on mobile! I wanna play this instead of working at work
mobile gamers aren't people, change my mind.
even the demo was way too hard for me lol I couldn't complete a full run
“Probably a guaranteed loss” I’m dead
Didn't he play that a while back? Looks very very familiar
I have no idea if he did play the demo, but this is the official release that came out very recently.
Reviews be like: Game to hard
Me: that good news its better than that than boring
Played it and it's actually fun
This game is good, but certainly some stuff is overtuned like the Bigfoot enemy.
Yeah, the bigfoot enemies, especially combined with aimless debuff on you and spikes on the enemies are a headache.
Wow this game is fun to watch
More please! 😃
That is in fact a pepper, not a tomato lol
I'm waking up
I feel it in my bones
How the freak is Bamboozle a cactus and not a bamboo?
That's because it's literally "Bamboozle". You expect it to be a bamboo plant but it's not. You've got bamboozled
@@georgevoknerech228 makes sense Mr. Voknerech. I'm too naive.
So glad NL the roguelike aficionado has logged on to call out the skill issue in these reviews
Rumour has it NL got creamed and left a negative review on Steam saying the game is too hard.
looks good reminds of krumits tale
comment for the algo, what a fun looking challenging game, I wonder what the steam reviews have to say about it
This game is fantastic yes it’s a little difficult but me as a card enthusiast I love the challenge…just make a relaxer mode for the whiners 😅
This! This video right here is the reason why I love watching Northernlion over any other youtuber who plays these style of games!
HE ACTUALLY THINKS ABOUT THINGS