RPGs when you haven't discovered anything yet
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These map-makers are getting lazy, man 😜
make vids about KCD or fable the lost chapters
I believe the word you're looking for is cartographer, but I understand that was in an unexplored part of the map, so how would you know?
=)))
good one
well as long as dumb people keep buying their official stuff regardless of the quality why would they stop, they was once a wizard... of the coast, who kept making bad decisions, the folks complained, but kept buying from him, so he kept making bad decisions.
@@amosnimos =))))))))
Goddamn this is better lore than skyrim
That's one thing I love about Hollow Knight. The map guy actually sells you a filled in map, but it's drawn very poorly, so you have to draw most of it anyways
Isn't it that Cornifer is actively working on the map, and rather than it being done poorly it's just that he's only done areas he himself has visited?
@@EeveeMaster547 You're right, it's been a while since I last played it
Yeah he fills out maps but avoids most areas that could be reasoned away as dangerous or hard to get to for someone who is just a humble lover of maps.
The filling in map actually makes sense in hollow knight
I was gonna mention this, but now I don’t have to thanks
It might look like a cheap map, but once you fill it in, you can instantly travel to any location you visited just by touching it. All things considered, it's a good deal
The cartographer should’ve explained this had he not been so flustered 😄
Not true, especially since most games with fast travel make it instant for the player but TIME ACTUALLY PASSES for the character.
@@godspeedhero3671 They still make travelling easy, though. No Ambushes, attacks, or anything else annoying. You just arrive where ever you want to be without having to worry about any of the inconveniences of normal travelling.
@@godspeedhero3671 they are sleep walking.
But what if you don't even have fast travel in the game?
Imagine if an RPG had a map which showed everything already, except your player marker.
Dragon's dogma
so a real map then. hm not a horrible idea
Could make for some interesting exploration. You don't actually know where you are, but you can recognise enough landmarks in order to triangulate your position. I've noticed in Skyrim that the more the HUD and map can tell me about where I'm going, the worse I get at navigation.
*cough* The manual for the Legend of Zelda. *cough*
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Call me Jackethy the Frozen Deathknight
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reminds me of Will Scarlet in Robin Hood: Men in Tights (the knife guy who was pals with Little John)
That's high praise 🍻
@@Rhodair OML, yes!
Obviously these map makers are just testing out their illusion spells, where the map only reveals itself once you've gone to said destination :D
😂😂 Skyrim’s most dangerous wizard: *map*
I always thought the player made the map
Yeah, I think that’s probably a more logical explanation 😂
Fun fact - you may have heard people call maps in RPGs "automaps". This is because they fill in locations you visit automatically, as opposed to having to be filled in manually by the player, which was the standard for RPGs in the 80s and early 90s. In fact, most of these games did not have an in-game map at all, and expected you to just draw the map on a physical piece of paper while playing the game.
So yes, the idea is that the player makes the map, and you actually had to do that manually before developers started automating it.
Hmmm let me just open my map of Skyrim...
*flies into the stratosphere*
😂😂
I happened to be on the map screen when I saw this video in recommended
From a Gameplay perspective I think it's great, from a World Building perspective...
Sounds about right. xD
accurate haha
“SORRY. I’m not PERFECT,” is such a mood. 🤣 It was nice that he offered the pencil. I’d probably have turned him down and stolen it anyway. 🙃
Let me copy you when you’ve found everything 😈
I like the costumes! They wouldn't look out of place in a medieval/fantasy show
fantasy clothing >>>>
@@Graenolf If we all start wearing fantasy clothes, it will become a fashion trend and nobody will question us
@@ninjagamer1359 I swear I will bring back the cloak one of these days. They are the perfect clothing item.
@@sylvirgiomanach1491 For real though. Ever since I was a small child I’ve always wondered why I don’t get to walk around with a cape flapping in the wind in public 😩
I once bought a black Renaissance shirt with loose sleeves, and it was my favourite shirt ever; cool and comfortable. But I put Spanish conquistador armour over it of course. Armour is the coolest thing you can wear.
players get easily overwhelmed if you show them everything right at the start and quit more easily. Letting the player slowly fill in the map with more and more knowledge they themselves acquired is a way to keep them engaged and stimulated just enough. I think games like Skyrim do the map best actually: you're not on a completely blank map and you can see the physical features and main cities but at the start you won't see much in terms of markers other than Helgen and Helgen Keep. Once you discover Riverwood, the Honningbew Meadery and Whiterun, then Bleak Falls Barrow, you're already engaged without being overwhelmed. Imagine if the first time you open the Skyrim map what you saw was the absolute MESS that it becomes once you've discovered everything.
Very true! Good points : ) I still think it’s funny that you already have a map of somewhere you’ve never explored though heh
My bf has a mod on his skyrim game where all the checkpoints are unlocked for his first playthrough.... He totally gets overwhelmed and has a hard time following quest lines bc of it. Whenever i look at that map i get information overload. Youre totally right haha. I played it without the mod and had so much fun filling it in.
I like the way Resident Evil does there maps. Kinda like how it partially depends on backtracking so it helps you memorize the area and gives you keys like in Resident Evil 2 so you can explore new areas slowly but surely.
@@RB-yt6rx Yeah couldn't agree more lol. It's super confusing when you have all those things overloading the map. Not only is it sometimes more of an inconvenience than a help, it also removes some of the excitement that you get from actually exploring the world yourself. It's always fun to explore the world and ask yourself "I wonder what kinda stuff is over there" as you point to some random unexplored spot on the map. But if everything was already shown from the start, it would just be boring lol.
@@RB-yt6rx some games choose to give you a map with all the features from the onset but you can filter through the type of icon you want, but I don't like that approach. If your game needs a filter for the type of icons on the map right at the start, you have far too many icons. Games like Cyberpunk 2077 overwhelmed me with their over-informative maps.
A good irl map gives you general directions, without showing you every single feature. I saw a video not long ago about the history of the London Tube map and how, from a perfect, practical design, it became a tangled, overwhelming and unreadable mess.
I've been waiting years to hear a proper homage to "stuff you". I can't tell you how much those two words make me smile.
Glad I’m not the only one 😄 I like it more than swearing
I absolutely agree. Me and my brothers have adopted this into our day to day lexicon. To me, this is the peak of fake swears.
You wear that beard like a true Nord, my friend. I salute you.
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@@h0rriphic LMAO
Our fellowship has begun 🤝
at least boundaries drawn
it’s honest work
The idea as a tourist of being given a map that's just streets and having to fill in cool stuff myself is actually quite appealing!
The other weird thing is when you find only a fragment of a map and obviously it just so happens to be the next area you're going to go to.
Professor Tree: "Take this Pokédex!"
Trainer: "Did you fill this with information on all the Pokémon!?"
PT: "Maybe you will."
Trainer: "What?"
PT: "Or maybe this guy Westwood did."
Trainer: "But the information is useful, right?"
PT: "Oh, Arceus, no. It's really just a checklist."
Oh yeah... they kinda said in first few gens "it is an encyclopedia of knowledge" and it only functions that way in the anime.. in that games it's like "lol you wanted to know about Pokemon you've only *seen*?! Why would you want to know where to find it?! You gotta catch it *first*.. What? You have no idea where it is? Fuck you"
@@BaconNuke in the first gen Oak specifically asks for you and Green/Blue/Gary, both 10, to "fill out" the Pokédex; suggesting many of the entries were written by kids, which would explain a lot.
I love how it resembles the Skyrim map and yet Skyrim doesn't actually cover everything in clouds XD
(still gotta discover every single location that isn't one of the main holds, though)
Not even dude. This is Kingdom come deliverance
The Dragonborn refers to the Anti-Christ.
What do you mean? Skyrim's map IS only the clouds with some land *maybe* sometimes barely visible underneath. You can't explore the clouds away, they're just permanent. Oh, and who needs information about roads on a map in a game that removed both levitation and acrobatics so you get blocked by a mediocre easily climbable rock, and are forced to look for some kind of road anyway and all you can see is clouds on top of ever moving map markers that you can tilt to any side of a mountain just by moving the map around. And did I mention the permanent clouds yet? The ones that hide everything including most small roads? Never again unmodded...
@@Lasyltherni Yes there are clouds, but they are thin enough and small enough that they don't obstruct all that much; it's not like they're invisible, but on a scale from no clouds to pure white blanket of opaque clouds, I'd say it's closer to the "no clouds" side. As for being obstructed by an "easily climbable rock", Skyrim is well-known for the player being able to climb surfaces you reasonably shouldn't be able to, particularly when riding a horse. Also, while yes, the roads aren't easily visible on the map, I don't think it's that big of a deal, at least to me, considering I never use them and instead just take the most efficient straightforward path through the wilderness to wherever I want to go, using the map.
I liked that map, it’s about topography and not complete detail.
I seem to remember some cool mods improving on it…
There was a Fallout mod which made that map much more useful too
“I DID! I just covered it all in clouds!” 😂😂 This video was better than I imagined it would be 😂 Also love the costumes, the mapmaker looks like an authentic eclectic RPG NPC
A good way to do a map is one that shows important landmarks, like towns, notorious bandit camps to "avoid," and whatever else is important to the world, but everything else is put in by your character as you explore, with notably different looking icons that look as if they were drawn in. Bonus points if the character is a bad artist.
Makes me think that it would be funny if you would actually play a cartographer once who really has to discover everything by himself.
That actually sounds like a great game
The Etrian Odyssey games are something like that. When you enter the dungeon you have to build the map for it yourself including traps, paths, dangerous areas and foes, treasure etc.
@@azureskyblade1106chad etrian odyssey enjoyer
I recommend buying the colony map in the Old Camp in Gothic. The only blank part is infested by orcs, so the map-maker couldn't really explore it, which is fair. Also, he sells lewd pictures, too. 👍
I was literally thinking about commenting on gothic. It's rare to meet my people in the comments 👀
bro that was EXACTLY MY FIRST TOUGHTS HAHA
I was expecting him to bump into a small shrine and it appearing on the map. New adventurer: "What the?"... Map seller: "See, it's on the map, just like everything else is except you haven't discovered them yet."
Same!
That's why it's important for games to either just give you the map in the menu (whenever they decide to do that) and not charge for it even if it has to be filled in, or have you buy completed maps like I think Majora's Mask does.
I also like it a lot when you can buy/ find complete maps of smaller areas, and when you go to a new area, you can get the map of that area. I think it's even better than having to fill out everything, because it feels like it makes a lot more sense than drawing your map while you're running around in the middle of nowhere.
he discarded the map but why do other adventurers who use a map mark themselves on it, erase themselves, and then mark themselves on their new location, repeating this process with every step they make?
Tingle might be one of the better examples of a map-making character because he's not all there to begin with.
He's gay propagandad. I regret ever using that shithead. Truthphobes, now's your cue to express how bigoted you are as you pretend your opinions matter.
Just ask him for a totally new one and knock him out before he draws the clouds lol
That map maker must be one hell of a guy to have been at places, no one dares to enter.
That moment you realize map makers in rpgs just use adventurers to further their map making business xD
The map is in his heart ❤
RPG maps be like - I'm cloudy.
Easy fix for this: map shows everything from beginning and regions change colour once you have discovered / visited them. That would be AMAZING. Also maybe a marker to show in which order you visited them.
imho, having games filling in maps as you go is really satisfying.
I was expecting there to be a hundred different maps that mark all the different types of things (collectibles, locations, quests, etc) and you have to buy them all
This is why I liked Elden Ring's map. It's an actual map you pick up pieces of.
Least you didn’t have to pop his balloon first and then pay money.
Free cloud map sounds pretty good
this is how my brain talks to me while i'm driving
In terms of maps, I think that Zelda did it right with Tingle. Go to a new area and buy a map for that area.
And in Breath of the Wild, you have to climb the towers to get that part of the map. Zelda maps are fun!
@@leahtheanimationfan40 something I think would be cool for a breath of the wild type game is where when your character comes out of slumber or stasis or whatever, that you already have a map but it's out of date because you've been gone so long. So your exploration would be updating the map
@@djsyntic
Reminds me of the side trips in Avatar: Last Airbender. Their most traveled party member kept directing them to tourist destinations that no longer existed. I can easily see an outdated game map doing that to players.
“It’s a magical map, the clouds will disappear when you explore those areas!!”
“why?… WHY?!!!”
I love how golden everything looked
No matter how many clouds are on the map, you will always be able to find some OYFUM
Don't hate the map guy. Hate the fog of war guy.
😭🤣😂man the way he got worked up over the clouds!!!
i was sold, when he promised to give me a pencil with it
This would be great dialog between two NPCs in the new Fable.
But I do love when games do have maps for sale that actually do reveal stuff, it's neat.
the cinematography is just the Office
i loved it in the video
I think the 'clouds slowly revealing the map' mechanic is supposed to represent you drawing your own map as you go along. Generally speaking if someone's selling a map it's pre-filled out so you don't have to do it yourself, so that goes along with that idea.
Hire, recruit or coerce the map-maker? Let the games begin!!
everyone just looks at the already filled in map online anyway
That’s a Wesley as Dread Pirate Roberts from Princess Bride tunic if I ever saw one
I am dyingngngngngg 😂😂🤣🤣🤣
I have never questioned the empty map from an in-world perspective. Hysterical. “I covered it in clouds.” That’s a new classic. 😂🤣🤣
"A map hand holding you would ruin the immersion..." - NostalgicNeckBeard420
He should have at least offered pens in different colors
At that point you just kill the mapmaker and take the one true map off the map maker’s corpse
They always have one real map on em
That last part feels like the pokedex.
This is so true hahaha. From a game play perspective I totally get that but it's fun to compare these things to real life. Imagine going to a shop to buy a map for a country you're going to visit for trip or other and then it's covered in pen-scribbled clouds xD
Finally a use for your 2 years in art school
They graduated me early for this video 😎
I remember a tavern in a fantasy story that sold used and unused maps. The used maps were more expensive...
*O Y F U M*
you forgot the clip where he says : you can fill it! yes but you'll have to pay a macrotransaction for every single place!
imagine goole maps: but you need to fill it in yourself!
It does magically track your location though
I need an actual map, a compas and markers that tells me which direction I need to go at the very least. 😆
Funnily enough, I am taking a few cartography courses, but I’ve yet to find any cloud misting illusion features in our software 😔
Must be taught at a more advanced level?
@@ninjagamer1359 I suppose!
I never really thought about that actually. From a gameplay perspective it makes perfect sense but in universe...
Map maker, give me your strongest map!
Curiosity is the reason, it's quite simple really. So they can surprise you with a jumpscare probably. 🤔
And then in other RPGs it is all written out but you cannot access them until you progress but you have to do a very specific quest to unlock that area...
Unless it's a Ubisoft game... then you get a map covered in ten thousand points of interest so dense you can't see where anything actually is.
should have said "oh it's a magic map, The clouds move when you discover new places"
shoulda had the map maker drop in that he had a scratch off version of the map so you can mark where you've been. then you aquire 1 coin.
Well maybe the mapmaker was like Brecht, likes fluffy clouds. Not bad when in a room with padded white walls.
I actually like it when the in-game map has fog-of-war over it so I have to discover everything for myself. It greatly boosts the sense of exploration and adventure.
Fun Fact: Lewis & Clark were overrated. The Spanish explored Louisiana before they did, and they probably used Spanish maps. The French wren't the first Europeans either.
Imagine buying a map but it turns out to be a "to do list"
The real treasure was the Map you made along the way
Okay but where’d you get the black shirt? Asking for a friend😌
Me. I am the friend. I want to know.
"Why would anyone want a map already filled in? That would take the fun out of exploring." Would have been funnier.
I'm with the map-maker on this one.
He knows how much fun it was to explore those lands; didn't want to spoil the magic for the newbies.
Good old Gothic did it right.
YOu didn't even have a map unless you bought one, it was all filled in but of course it doesn't contain every hidden thing, just the big landmarks.
Games should either do like Cornifer or give some shape
*cough* Eldenring *cough*
I always thought the player character just got the map and the landmarks are unlocked by the memory like animus synchronization
Honestly, just go the opposite way of danger and go farm something.
At 1:01 I expected him to say, "you did?😒" 😆
i'm a little ashamed of myself that i basically IMMEDIATELY recognized the outline of skyrim's map
He should demand a refund under the Fair Adventuring Policy.
hahaa 💀
I've noticed that no one else in video games need map and i hate when a character who has lived in a area has no map or has a blank map. Like a nord in skyrim should know whever atleast the major cities arre.
A good way to avoid this contradiction is by *not* selling a map, just make the MC a cartographer or something.
You're upping the production value, very well done
I always imagined that you were the one making the map yourself as you went.
Etrian Odyssey says Hello
imagine a game where not only do you have to fill in the map but there's no fast travel, i can already imagine speedrunners putting it in their blacklist of games not to play
Elden Ring flashbacks
My biggest beef with the skyrim map is that I had to download a mod to show where the roads are.
That black shirt is hot. I want one.
Oh, and the video makes me want to play every Bethesda game all over again
I believe I got it from Mytholon . com a few years ago. I’m gonna keep my “player” character in it for future videos 😃
@@Graenolf thanks! Very cool. I might get some black shirts for my workplace 3:)
Warhorse studios would like to have a word with you
Very Monty Python of you 🤣👏👏👏❤
I simp for this man