Why Vintage Guitars Are So Important - Dipped In Tone Episode 7
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On Episode 7 of the Dipped in Tone podcast Rhett and Zach discuss growing older, vintage guitars and why they are important, the benefits of playing a modern guitar, Rhett's backstage live rig, Building a rig for $1000 and the Fender Tonemaster.
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Came for the guitar talk, stayed for the deep cuts Dash Rendar tangent 🤙
Every episode I think, “I’ll just listen to the podcast.” 15 seconds in I’m all, “damnit I want to SEE what they’re Talkin’ ‘bout!”
“Sound better damn it” that is a dipped in tone shirt (and maybe a pillow smothering an amp speaker)
I think you should never have an intro as a joke. Every week make a new excuse.
Five Watt World has got me seriously considering the hand-wired Fender 57 Custom Champ....
Theme tune for the shillin' segment should be "Shillin' Floor".
@zachbroyles thank you for the high road mini. It’s everything I want/need in a fuzz. Set the gain knob and let me control everything else with my volume knobs and pick up switch. I’ve sold 3 fuzz pedals since I got your high road mini.
When I consigned my TIM at EMS I had no idea it would end up in Zach's hands...glad it went to a good home!
OH SNAP!
RIP Songbirds... cuts deep. Passing through Chattanooga tomorrow and not stopping by there (just to soak it all in) is sad.
That Marie Kondo reference was quite funny 😆
This is the best music and gear/guitar commentary/content online right now.
Your input is invaluable. Don’t underestimate your influence. Fender, Gibson, novo, wake up. RUclips is where we live. Rhett and Zach don’t even understand their importance.
The last week just got away from me too. Feels like I just watched your last episode.
As much as I like the "What can you get for next to nothin'?" thought exercise, I think it'd be cool to hear the same question, but don't worry about a guitar or amp. Pedals are cool and all but honestly, the pool is so large, it's hard to know where to jump in for us not quite beginners yet also not quite intermediate either players. If you had $1,000 (or $500, whatever number makes sense) to spend on pedals, board, and power supply, what would you get? (Normal HX Stomp/multi-effects rules apply ;) ).
The soundtrack to Shadows of the Empire is amazing. I still listen to it
And I’m waiting fir Rhett’s “The Behringer sound” video lol
The Roland Bluescube did exactly what you described with new algorithms for different tones with the interchangeable modules.
But why is solid state expected to be super versatile? When the technology finally can nail the valve/tube sound there will still be complaints that there isn’t a “this” on it or “that” on it... even if the solid state stands toe-to-toe with a valve amp. Valve amps sound great and they aren’t obliged to be every single amp available.
And that technology is very close
I’ve had 2 Timmys and a Tim. I didn’t like either Timmy. They both seemed temperamental. Some days it’d be amazing and the best overdrive on the planet, other days they’d be harsh and grainy like an old cheap DOD overdrive. The Tim was totally different. It sounded a lot better to me. More consistent, and just nicer. Fuller and more controllable. Wish I wouldn’t have sold it, but I don’t know if I’d realistically use it now that I have a King of Tone. But still, my experience with the Tim was that it is significantly better than the Timmy.
Analogman ardx20 analog delay has an effects loop. I own one of those and its great.
Squier Classic Vibe 50's Strat (Maple Fretboard)-$400. Boss Katana 100 MkII (1x12)-$360. That leaves $240 for pedals of choice.
The DOD Rubberneck delay has an effects loop.
I think the Nemesis _does_ have an effects loop that you can set up if you aren't using it in stereo. It goes out the second output and back into the second input.
Hi from down under the pedal board you are looking for is the schmit array and while you’re at it check out the GigRig g3 and put it together by yourself its fun to do and you can change up pedals as often and as easy as making a sandwich
Delays with FX loops: DOD Rubberneck cuz it does EVERYTHING.
If you can mike the amp, then a Vox AC4112 ($300 used), Ibanez Artcore AS 73 semi-hollow ($350 used), Hermida Zen Drive ($200), Dunlop Germanium Fuzz Face Mini Red ($130)
I'm the other way, I'd rather put the pedals on the floor. In many cases, it's just a zen drive and a tube screamer, so not hard to do. There's something in keeping it simple.
Wow Dash Rendar! Loved his ship!
The Outrider! Classic!
I came across that EXACT model amp (GA5, same year, everything) at my local auction. It sold at $380, and I thought it was too expensive. Welp, that was a stupid move.
For cheap amp convo about fenders. Super champ x2 is great has stuff you guys were talking about but it has valves.
You guys should have Joe Bonamassa on talking about the acoustic/tonal/sonic characteristics of vintage solid body electrics -- I think he would disagree that it's all mental. I think there's a difference you can hear, similar to the one you definitely can hear with a good vintage acoustic. I also think the effect kicks in after 20 years or so, which means a decent electric from the 90's is a good candidate, without the vintage price. Consider what a 60's Strat sounded like in the 80's.
@ Rhett - You aren't wrong about the DRRI vs ToneMaster thing. TBH I think they should have added a hand wired deluxe reverb in that shootout because hands down for what those guys on TPS do, they would have very likely said the same things about the DRRI when compared to the hand wired version, which I feel like would have led them to like the ToneMaster better...
“Curated”= picked out. This prevents other effects from just leaping onto the pedal randomly without permission.
Fender DID make a cheaper version of the Tone Master. I own one. The Mustang 3 that I have is 100 watt with a Celestion 12" speaker (Ceramic). I paid less than $500 new around 10 years ago. My only complaint is that the open back needs to be a few feet away from the wall. Even with the very good master volume, it's too loud in my 8'x8' computer room. I gave in and ordered a Spark this week.
Dr.Z Z28 for 1000 bucks. not even made anymore but its the best amp ive played.
My tweed Champ is louder than my non-reverb ‘68 Princeton despite the latter having a larger & more efficient speaker and a dual 6V6 power section.
See, Zac took something that was a steal and sold it for it's actual market value. That's fine to me. Flipping and scalping to me are two very different words
On the topic, of how a guitar makes you play? Im a LesPaul guy most days, i have a good one, a standard, but 8.75 lbs, a ringer, goldtop, nos pafs from mojo u.k, 50s wiring.. but when i play it? idk why? i never go above a little over the edge of breakup. And i do more of a b.b./peter green thing, the most i go is beano tone..Not a rock guy, more heavyish blues at the most...I think i really favor my 335, and ill really get into heavier tones with it...A really good 335 just gets creamier, rather then harsher as you add more ooomffff, and mine just does that very well....Now, i have a K/LINE tele, that just purs in the upper breakup zone. What a guitar..So, im backwards....And yeah, ill say it again, as an aesthetic guy, i tend to go for looks first, which can really cloud ones judgment. Rhetts pink sparkle NOVO, i want to ahte so much! And that might be one of the better sounding guitars i may have ever heard....Not saying its ugly, for instance prs guitars arent ugly, but i feel like im cheating on Gibson or Fender, im sure you fellaz get it! Hence, if you never played a K/line? Id have to go on the line and say, there as good as NOVOS, Sonically, as good as some fender masterbuilts/customs, And i went to go buy a 65 or 66 tele, and was handed the K/LINE, and it blew it away, but felt as vintage, so id suggest you try one. Im about to buy a Bartlett, just bothers me spending 10 grand without playing it, maybe find a great r9? for $5500? its keeping me up at night, trying to make the decision...
Thw single pickup novo that rhett has is the best novo. In my opinion.....i love that thing....second best is the serus j!!
The SOLUS is in a league all its own!
Hey guys awesome show. On a slightly related topic, is there a wait list for the Mythos Olympus that I could join?
Sign up to the Mythos newsletter. Is the best way to keep updated.
I'm curious with you talking about specific gear that you "might" purchase while on a live stream, how many people watching went to go find the listing and maybe bought it out from under you...food for thought...
I have a 57 strat that needs a refret and possibly some pick up work. I haven’t found anyone in Utah who I think has the proper experience. Is there someone you would recommend?
My first "real" amp I bought was an early Dr Z. Carmen Ghia head, used off the gear page for like $600 some 8 or so years ago. It sounds awesome! I live in a condo now, so I almost never get to play it... :/ Need to get it on a captor X.
Love that amp! I had one years ago as well should have never sold it
@@DippedInTone you didn’t happen to sell it to some kid in Canada on the gear page eh? Lol
Love these podcasts guys
What time do you guys record these? I'm thinking about becoming a Patron but if the main benefit is joining the recording, I'm not sure because of being from EU I'd be able to join!
Typically we record around 9 or 10 CST on Fridays
I get the criticism of the DLRI but I bought one used $700, put an alnico blue speaker clone in it for $100, and it honestly sounds amazing. I just think the factory Jensen speaker blows.
Speaker is the biggest shortcoming for sure
the harley benton digital delay pedal is fine
I’ll be dipped? Sounds like the guy from vice grip garage?
There is something about a guitar that has been played...a LOT! I have a couple of Partscasters that keep getting better? Maybe it’s all the vibrations going through the wood, maybe it’s how the wood dries out over time, maybe it’s how the parts settle into each other????
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Shit in, shit out. If you’re starting with crappy components that aren’t quality, probably should expect them to be “transformed” by time, and playing? There are lousy Vintage “Friday” guitars. Different companies have had different levels of quality control, through different eras. Although there are a few pawnshop darlings that use cheaper components, like Danelectro, Silvertone, etc. even they have had different degrees of quality in their components.
Companies like Novo, or PRS that have incredibly high standards put out instruments that are great out of the box. I’m sure that they will play into amazing “Vintage Guitars” in the future?
Not sure if you guys have seen the youtube video of Josh Homme playing George Harrison's Tele, he simply could not play it!!! you could see in his face/expressions the thought process going on in his head and the magnitude of what was happening. He had to put the guitar down and walk away.
Will "dipped" become slang to mean...? "he got totally dipped", "his car is really dipped", "I saw a dip band last night". A word that is ripe for repurposing.
Don’t listen to these ppl this show is good. I would love to do something like this with a buddy or 2 , but aimed more towards people with reasonable budgets.. Most of us can only dream of having a good vintage instrument or hardwired amp.. I’ve been a student of guitar for about the last 2 years, now (35yrs old at the time); I am just starting to think about my “tone” and high quality gear, but I won’t spend >$2,000 for a guitar or amp..
I have a old epi lp @85 or 95 (according to date finder) I just played all the Les Paul’s at music go round near me that were under @$700- 800 and it just was night and day, mine was double the price of the modern used epi lps but it ahead been played and loved and just sounded soooo much better..
I’m looking to get a tele (hopefully American) as my #1 , but I am not ready to drop $2000 , when my players strat is pretty good for @$550 I think..
I know I have picked up a really nice avri 64 tele at music go round, but it looked like the saddles were changed and it kinda made me think twice about what else was changed; and it had more space in the neck pocket then my 500 dollar mexi player strat... Also if I am gonna get a tele it “should” be 52 style...
I know especially now there are many newer players many of whom are adults, like me, and I love this podcast and TPS but man I just can’t afford the gear that y’all ACTUALLY use and like , so it’s like everything else that we can find at the local guitar shop is like “ehhh” but the $450 pedal and $1000 this $700 that ... like really guys lol
Anyways I just wanna end this novel by saying thank you for being a part of a great online community (since we can’t really hang out at the guitar shop or even REAL lessons in person with the covid )
I’ve watched them all, so far , hopefully I can find ppl like you gentlemen to help guide me in my guitar journey, but until then it’s RUclips lol
The Tone Master does have a USB port on the back.
Where you can upload new firmware (to clip the bright cap, change the reverb taper, change the IR’s).
Can the Tone Master be used with the Helix as frfr speaker?
@@fivewattworld support.fender.com/hc/en-us/articles/360048863611-Tone-Master-Deluxe-Reverb-Firmware-Upgrade-Procedure
I have a modern AC30S1 which is a single 1x12 and top boost only. Any tips ? I am going to try to break in the speaker like you suggested and have a hx effects, dual broadcast and a tube screamer. I play like pop rock and blues. Any pedals that are a must or something to keep in mind?
What is it not giving you?
@@DippedInTone it could be due to playing at low volume comparing to it sweet spot and me sitting right in front of it but sometimes feels a bit spikey, like it’s missing some roundness. But again Vox is known for its chimey tones so... I don’t know, I keep thinking a Celestion blue would make it sound more better but maybe it’s just a matter of tone shaping
@@MrRafaztar What speaker does it have, that's a big investment for something you're not really happy with it. A simpler solution would be grab a EQ pedal and just use that to shape what you have to a more comfortable sound. The master on those can lend to some harshness.
@@MrRafaztar if it helps I have a modern Ac15 which I thought was spikey and too bright for ages while I had it at the same level as my ears. I put it on the floor so it's not pointing straight at me and it made a huge change. Might not fix it for you, but if it does at least it's a free fix.
Dude I have that behringer delay and it hang...
It's great! Mine has a footswitch spring that makes a pretty nasty sound
With the idea of a tone master you could load different models in, at best you've just described the Roland Blues cube, at worst you designed those terrible mustang amps Fender makes.
Flashback has ext tap = 100 bucks + a 5$ switch
Yaaay Star Warsssss
Rhett, think about leaving this effort. Your companion does not help at all, and this show is reaaaaaaly slow, and toooooo long. You may want to stick to your own show, which is very entertaining and, thankfully, always to the point. Cheers.