The western genre has always been somewhat subversive which is part of what makes it so timeless. Films like The Searchers aimed to deconstruct the genre tropes as early as 1956. Although fewer westerns are made these days, I think this self-awareness has helped it to become such a long-lasting genre.
The second one with 'Way Down We Go' from Kaleo is also fkcing great. It captures the Logan's mood so well and I associate the song with Logan ever since.
Great timing ,I just started studying western style movies and how directors were influenced by the western style films. Today i rewatched "rango" and found how deep and underrated it is! from character design to dialougues ,the music,references, everything was awesome!
When making A Fistful of Dollars, Leone did have the idea of reinventing the western genre so there are atypical characteristics to the films. I would say overall though they check off the conventions of the genre
Because of that, when being showed to US audience on TV, For a fistful of dollars was preceded with a prologue filmed without Clint Eastwood in order to make the man with no name a more moral figure, and make the movie fit better in the mold of more classic westerns
'No country for old men' is the start of the neo western movies. In the start it follows the usual paths of the traditional western and changes it's path from the middle of the story and become more neo western.
A really good neo western is Last Man Standing with Bruce Willis. If it was set in the city it would've been a regular mob or gangster movie. Just goes to show how much setting can change the vibe of a film.
Logan is so good I don't even think of it as a comic book/superhero movie. Hadn't really thought how to categorize it, but neo Western works well. Also, every film they showed clips of in this video is amazing.
You guys continually crush it. Thanks team. We've used your software for all of our shorts thus far. Some of them are on our channel. Can't see doing any projects without you guys.
I would also throw Sicario in there as a Neo-Western as well. It's not based like the other films that were mentioned, but the characteristics of that film are definitely ingrained in the Western genre.
I love westerns /// and Logan really made up for the expectations I really seemed like a new age Western I love it ! Hell or high water is also a great new Age western
I actually loved the genre of western movies, but Logan was special it western in feeling, but totally not in technical, can you make an episode: What is neo noir?
@@StudioBinder many thanks, but will you make a video about that? I am not bashful, just curious? PS: we all love that old British gentleman's voice over, his voice just pushes me to focus more!
Logan went into the Dark Knight level and it became The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, True Grit and No Country for Old Men. Joker went into the Dark Knight level and it became Taxi Driver and King of Comedy.
I like Malcom Gladwell's explanation that a western is a about a bringing law to a lawless land and a Northern is about law functioning and working properly. It seems like a lot of the examples you gave of Neo-Westerns had strong themes of characters coming to terms with old age which has been a strong theme in Hollywood with many action heroes getting older. I completely understand No Country For old Men now that I've grown up. I like this definition of a Neo-Western, a character who feels out of place in the world because the world has changed and he hasn't.
West vibe is really a dream especially for us Asians who's never been into places but movies. Anyways I have a channel, you an check out my filmmaking journey.
For me Logan and The Dark Knight are not superhero movies...they transcend that genre..i had read James Mangold's interview that they had approached to make The Wolverine in the style of The Dark Knight...I think the director perfected the art by the time he made Logan
This was interesting. My mind kept turning to, mad max, Priest and Blade runner 2049. The first Blade runner is under Neo-Noir, right? is BR 2049 a Neo-western?
Broken Arrow (1995) is literally a Neo-Western in setting, style and character... Except the bad guy (John Travolta) is the one who feels obsolete. So, he goes to extreme measures to ensure his survival/relevance and has to be stopped. Great score by Hans Zimmer with legendary guitarist Duane Eddie that honors Ennio Moricone's "Good, Bad & The Ugly" theme.
This video seems to posit that "post" everything is artistic and right and correct. That subversion of every kind of moral value is artistic and right and correct.
I was wondering about this list there are another two videos which showed hidden, is there are update or just not show for public? But great Thanks anyway .
Interestingly, as Neo-Westerns commonly encircle dystopian views and end with nothing but a likewise prospect, Logan paves a path for future generations of mutants to thrive and hence turns its initial world upside down, creating tangible hope.
@@StudioBinder I think lord of the rings is a complete book about film making...it covers all kind of wide and establishment shots...2. how to develop a character over the series. 3. What kind of music to use for fandoms So I think lotr covers all three...request you to make a video on any of the above. Thanks...
*LOGAN* is the film that SHOULD'VE ended the whole X-Men saga after all the motherf-ing timelines. DP is like it's own Universe, while making jokes of past X-Men films that either SUCK or were FINE in the opinions of the following fans. Deadpool, LOGAN, Deadpool 2 are my top 3 favorites of the XMCU.
@@empresssk Logan started the XMCU and should've closed this chapter instead of the whole "Dark Phoenix" film that got negative reviews and a terrible send-off before Disney owned FOX. At in my opinion.
@@JaimeD. Dark Phoenix was dissatisfying. I used to be confused on why they (Marvel) couldn’t get all their stories right, given the source material, but now I am convinced more than ever it is the result of the director and their vision - or lack thereof.
The original contemporary vigilante films Dirty Harry, Death Wish and Taxi Driver are all psudeo westerns, theyre spiritual descendants of classic westerns
Antonio Kranjčević absolutely not in my opinion. I rewatched it a few weeks ago and it’s not as good as I remember. 4/5 at best which is still great but certainly not one of the best.
A western isn't defined by my or anyone's expectations, that's pure baloney. If I walk into a romantic or crazy comedy expecting a western - I'll be disappointed. If you use such phrases, and other grandiose statements - you make everything you say shallow and false. Also, the western hasn't evolved, unless you a modern version of Voltaire's Candide, sprouting, "we live in the best if times". There was the classical western, psychological western, the de-mythologising western. A handful of neo-westerns and the modern devolved scrappy toxic soup such as 'The Mandalorian'.
While I agree with the central premise, this video is problematic. Stating that a displaced hero called to action against their will is a modern trope and that Westerns like "The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly" were "quintessentially American" films about "bringing law and order to the West" is very much inaccurate.
Yes, it is. In fact, the subversion of the classic western started with the western spaghetti. Main characters are savages and with no morals, greedy, violent... it's more about the smartest guy will stand. What neo-western is doing uniquely it is the inability of adapting a new world and creating disconcern characters in a world that they don't know anymore, which brings existencialm to the table
Were you drunk writing this? If not, please explain HOW Westerns are not inherently American and how they are not about bringing about law and order. How the hell else would you classify them? Nearly all Western movie characters are displaced heroes (to some extent). Explain yourself!!
It's a crime that Hugh Jackman didn't receive nomination for Logan
Agreed! An incredible performance
@lilmil I'm sorry I can't respect your this opinion
An absolute crime!
Couldn't agree more
The western genre has always been somewhat subversive which is part of what makes it so timeless. Films like The Searchers aimed to deconstruct the genre tropes as early as 1956. Although fewer westerns are made these days, I think this self-awareness has helped it to become such a long-lasting genre.
Agreed, just the fact that now there's a term called neo western is proof of its longevity
Love Logan! Bit off topic but the Hurt trailer for Logan was and still is one of the best trailers ever!
The second one with 'Way Down We Go' from Kaleo is also fkcing great. It captures the Logan's mood so well and I associate the song with Logan ever since.
Everything associated with the film was on point 👌
No Country For Old Men is a great movie. Pure Western but ambiguous characters which makes it neo-western.
Anton Chigurh is one of the best villains ever
Yup, characters that are out of place and out of their depth
@@LuisSierra42 I would have enjoyed a No Country for Old Man Logan crossover (someone actually a mashup trailer for that).
Logan is one of my favourite films. Glad to see a video dedicated to it.
It's well deserving of one!
Great timing ,I just started studying western style movies and how directors were influenced by the western style films.
Today i rewatched "rango" and found how deep and underrated it is! from character design to dialougues ,the music,references, everything was awesome!
Rango is amazing. It is so intelligent.
Dialogue was witty
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rango_(2011_film)
Rango is an excellent film!
Verbinski and his team studied a lot spaghetti western and Sergio Leone style while creating Rango
2:00 tbh in the dollar trilogy, good and evil are not clearly defined. The man with no name is pretty ambiguous
When making A Fistful of Dollars, Leone did have the idea of reinventing the western genre so there are atypical characteristics to the films. I would say overall though they check off the conventions of the genre
Because of that, when being showed to US audience on TV, For a fistful of dollars was preceded with a prologue filmed without Clint Eastwood in order to make the man with no name a more moral figure, and make the movie fit better in the mold of more classic westerns
'No country for old men'
is the start of the neo western movies.
In the start it follows the usual paths of the traditional western and changes it's path from the middle of the story and become more neo western.
It's definitely one of the first and one of the most acclaimed 👌
I'd say The Proposition gets that title. Two years before No Country for Old men.
I always felt George Lucas had neo-western elements in A New Hope but never fully used it. But Jon Favreau finally used it in Mandalorian.
A really good neo western is Last Man Standing with Bruce Willis. If it was set in the city it would've been a regular mob or gangster movie. Just goes to show how much setting can change the vibe of a film.
Logan is so good I don't even think of it as a comic book/superhero movie. Hadn't really thought how to categorize it, but neo Western works well. Also, every film they showed clips of in this video is amazing.
Wolverine's films are strangely very well done. I'm glad someone else noticed 😃
James Mangold has always made known his love for westerns, and Logan definitely gives its share of allusions!
I also consider neo-Western “There Will Be Blood”: horses, sand, a future rich man and a killing. Only the Marshall is missing
good point, I would say time setting though it's closer to a conventional Western
7:40 ... The Best moment that resolve all drama
A wonderful father-daughter moment 😂
I missed "Hell or High Water" in your great analysis
'Hell or High Water' is a great film, there were a lot of great choices to choose from!
Bone Tomahawk has one of the most interesting takes in the genre
I'm currently writing a western short film and am planning a western feature.
That's an ambitious genre for a short film, good luck!
Ennio Morricone enhances movies to the highest levels
You guys continually crush it. Thanks team. We've used your software for all of our shorts thus far. Some of them are on our channel. Can't see doing any projects without you guys.
That's fantastic! Great to hear our videos/software are doing their job ❤️
I would also throw Sicario in there as a Neo-Western as well. It's not based like the other films that were mentioned, but the characteristics of that film are definitely ingrained in the Western genre.
I love westerns /// and Logan really made up for the expectations I really seemed like a new age Western I love it ! Hell or high water is also a great new Age western
OH YES! Another StudioBinder mini essay. Amazing and informative as always.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Explaining Logan as a New-Western Movie that you called "Neo-Western" deliver a new perspective to me as a viewer..
Glad we could help! Definitely makes the movie more entertaining when you see how much it has been influenced by the genre
Love the vids: i’m writing a script on your platform.
That's great! Good luck on your script!
Jesus, this was a great essay. Loved it.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Next: What is Neo-Noir?
Thanks for the suggestion!
How good is Logan fight seen on The good the bad and the ugly theme!
Which fight scene are you referring to?
Really hoping Indiana Jones 5 will be a neo-western. I think that's the only way it'll do well.
That would be a fascinating approach!
Well, the director for that movie is James Mangold and he directed Logan. So that's a win.
I actually loved the genre of western movies, but Logan was special it western in feeling, but totally not in technical, can you make an episode: What is neo noir?
Definitely an option! if you'd like to see our article on neo-noir films, you can check here www.studiobinder.com/blog/best-neo-noir-films/
@@StudioBinder many thanks, but will you make a video about that? I am not bashful, just curious?
PS: we all love that old British gentleman's voice over, his voice just pushes me to focus more!
Logan went into the Dark Knight level and it became The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, True Grit and No Country for Old Men.
Joker went into the Dark Knight level and it became Taxi Driver and King of Comedy.
Haven’t read all the comments yet but Firefly/Serenity especially the Firefly tv series part, there’s even a train robbery 😁
That s work si amazing, congrats guys. Thanks for give us Hugh Jackman best and inmortal preformance of Wolverine/logan.
Thanks for watching! Jackman's performance was a gift for all of us
No mention for Taylor Sheridan work i think he's the new king of this genre
Please do Neo-Noir as well 🙏🏻
Thanks for the suggestion!
I like Malcom Gladwell's explanation that a western is a about a bringing law to a lawless land and a Northern is about law functioning and working properly. It seems like a lot of the examples you gave of Neo-Westerns had strong themes of characters coming to terms with old age which has been a strong theme in Hollywood with many action heroes getting older.
I completely understand No Country For old Men now that I've grown up. I like this definition of a Neo-Western, a character who feels out of place in the world because the world has changed and he hasn't.
Catching this two years late, but your description reminds me a lot of "Falling Down" which by your description would be also a Western.
'Ecstasy of Gold' probably most iconic score of Moricone !!.
West vibe is really a dream especially for us Asians who's never been into places but movies. Anyways I have a channel, you an check out my filmmaking journey.
Movies gives all of us a chance to enter new places!
@@StudioBinder yeah, that's true
@@StudioBinder Yes.
I feel you bro 😩
Any suggestions like Logan, Mandalorian series, Casablanca? I love cynical characters who have a little good in them.
Series? I tried the pilot, didn't like it. I am really specific when it comes to cinema. Writing, cinematography, lightening, everything matters.
Breaking Bad is neo western tv show
Done watching it twice... I liked the shootout scene in El Camino, felt like classic western
@@markh9755 ...
we have listicle you might like! www.studiobinder.com/blog/best-modern-western-movies/
For me Logan and The Dark Knight are not superhero movies...they transcend that genre..i had read James Mangold's interview that they had approached to make The Wolverine in the style of The Dark Knight...I think the director perfected the art by the time he made Logan
how do they avoid copyright?
I've always thought of Drive as a neo western
This was interesting. My mind kept turning to, mad max, Priest and Blade runner 2049. The first Blade runner is under Neo-Noir, right? is BR 2049 a Neo-western?
Mad Max: Fury Road needs a mention
Great film for sure, but we considered Fury Road more along the lines of a pure action/travel film than a neo western.
@@StudioBinder thats rigth
Fury road is pure post apocalyptic
Broken Arrow (1995) is literally a Neo-Western in setting, style and character... Except the bad guy (John Travolta) is the one who feels obsolete. So, he goes to extreme measures to ensure his survival/relevance and has to be stopped. Great score by Hans Zimmer with legendary guitarist Duane Eddie that honors Ennio Moricone's "Good, Bad & The Ugly" theme.
This video seems to posit that "post" everything is artistic and right and correct. That subversion of every kind of moral value is artistic and right and correct.
James Mangold 🔥🙏
I was wondering about this list there are another two videos which showed hidden, is there are update or just not show for public? But great Thanks anyway .
Is Mandalorian neo-western? Then I've gotta watch it
With the characteristics we give, it has all the qualities to be classified as one!
@@StudioBinder Thank you!
Love this!!! Very well written!
I really enjoyed Slow West. Or is that considered a 'regular' Western?
I would say it's more of a regular Western
@@StudioBinder I agree
Great video!
Thanks for watching!
I was expecting Rango.
Rango would be a great option too!
Thanks for this, really useful!!
Logan does deserve more!
*Breaking Bad* is the quintessential neo--westerrn imo.
2:21 the name of the song please
Interestingly, as Neo-Westerns commonly encircle dystopian views and end with nothing but a likewise prospect, Logan paves a path for future generations of mutants to thrive and hence turns its initial world upside down, creating tangible hope.
Good observation! The film does end ultimately with hope.
Plz do one for "What is NEO NOIR?"
Big fan of western movies and Logan is my favorite 'superhero' movie.
Any must watch Western/Neo-westerns that you'd recommend?
I'd recomend Hell or High Water, but if you western or neo western fan you probably seen it. Slow West is also good, it has "artsy" element in it.
No country for old men.
We have a listicle! www.studiobinder.com/blog/best-modern-western-movies/
@@muhammadfauzan6864 I'd never heard of Slow West before. Thanks for the recommendation, I'll check it out.
@@StudioBinder Thank you. Numbers 1 and 2 are to be expected. There are a lot of great films on here that I haven't watched yet.
Make a video on Peter Jackson lord of the rings
Is there a particular series you would like it covered in?
@@StudioBinder I think lord of the rings is a complete book about film making...it covers all kind of wide and establishment shots...2. how to develop a character over the series.
3. What kind of music to use for fandoms
So I think lotr covers all three...request you to make a video on any of the above.
Thanks...
Hell or high water is a great example
*LOGAN* is the film that SHOULD'VE ended the whole X-Men saga after all the motherf-ing timelines.
DP is like it's own Universe, while making jokes of past X-Men films that either SUCK or were FINE in the opinions of the following fans.
Deadpool, LOGAN, Deadpool 2 are my top 3 favorites of the XMCU.
XMCU - good name 👌
@@StudioBinder Thank you. ✌
I wholeheartedly agree. This film was more than enough to end the whole saga!!!!!!
@@empresssk Logan started the XMCU and should've closed this chapter instead of the whole "Dark Phoenix" film that got negative reviews and a terrible send-off before Disney owned FOX. At in my opinion.
@@JaimeD. Dark Phoenix was dissatisfying. I used to be confused on why they (Marvel) couldn’t get all their stories right, given the source material, but now I am convinced more than ever it is the result of the director and their vision - or lack thereof.
When is the next shot list video dropping?
In two weeks!
Plz do anything about Adaptation Stories.
We have a video on how several directors like Tarantino have adapted true stories! ruclips.net/video/tcleaQ2IGgU/видео.html
The original contemporary vigilante films Dirty Harry, Death Wish and Taxi Driver are all psudeo westerns, theyre spiritual descendants of classic westerns
Didn't see THE HATHFUL EIGHT here
Hateful eight is a revisionist western not a neo western. Like unforgiven or 3:10 to Yuma.
What's the BGM in the beginning 0:30
How about Bacurau (2019), can we call it a Neo Western?
obrigado por traduzir para o português!!!
6:04 help i need this soundtrack, Pa pa paaa.
The good the bad and the Ugly.
Horse and saddle are must
Does anyone know Hostiles? Great movie
Not as well known of a film, but worth watching!
what is the song called in the intro??
The Ecstasy of Gold (from The Good, the Bad & the Ugly) by Ennio Morricone
...don't miss No Country For Old Men
Django unchained!
👌 Great neo-western
Paris , Texas 1984
I think calling Logan one of the best superhero movies ever made is a little ambitious to be honest.
It is the best superhero movie
It's more than a superhero movie
Mohsin Itoo it’s a 4/5 in my opinion. There are better superhero movies.
Antonio Kranjčević absolutely not in my opinion. I rewatched it a few weeks ago and it’s not as good as I remember. 4/5 at best which is still great but certainly not one of the best.
Which Superhero movies do you think are better than Logan?
Could you Share something about harry potter movies? About the writing, making something
Can I get an Amen for Quigley Down Under?
This guy's accent slips between British and American
Stunning, right?
@@StudioBinder One must always choose the lesser of two weavils👍
Amazing. thanks #krutikaanimationstudio
Thanks for watching!
How can Scorsese not like this?
Can you please explain malayalam movie {Amen}
Make one on noir.
Another good neo western is Hell or High Water.
Wait, "the lush forests of North Dakota"???? This is a thing that doesn't actually exist. Who writes this stuff???
What about revanant🙄
No cowboy bebop? Ok
504k
Couldn't have done it without everyone's support!
A western isn't defined by my or anyone's expectations, that's pure baloney. If I walk into a romantic or crazy comedy expecting a western - I'll be disappointed. If you use such phrases, and other grandiose statements - you make everything you say shallow and false. Also, the western hasn't evolved, unless you a modern version of Voltaire's Candide, sprouting, "we live in the best if times". There was the classical western, psychological western, the de-mythologising western. A handful of neo-westerns and the modern devolved scrappy toxic soup such as 'The Mandalorian'.
😍😍😍😍
Glad you enjoyed it!
No cowboy bebop???
Why is everything "neo" something now? All I think of is Keanu Reeves style western
What other neo-genres come to mind?
While I agree with the central premise, this video is problematic. Stating that a displaced hero called to action against their will is a modern trope and that Westerns like "The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly" were "quintessentially American" films about "bringing law and order to the West" is very much inaccurate.
Yes, it is. In fact, the subversion of the classic western started with the western spaghetti. Main characters are savages and with no morals, greedy, violent... it's more about the smartest guy will stand.
What neo-western is doing uniquely it is the inability of adapting a new world and creating disconcern characters in a world that they don't know anymore, which brings existencialm to the table
Were you drunk writing this? If not, please explain HOW Westerns are not inherently American and how they are not about bringing about law and order. How the hell else would you classify them? Nearly all Western movie characters are displaced heroes (to some extent). Explain yourself!!