@@normadesmond6017 I respect your opinion. But I know that it is a good way of dealing with depression. Especially doing something creative. An idle mind is a depressed mind. And if you dont have a valid source of depression than I feel that it's because of u keeping ur mind idle which leads to envy, low self esteem etc. I would love to know what exactly i dont have an idea about so that I do get an idea, enlighten me plz
@@sasnad3people like you are incapable of being “enlightened” because you will always find a reason why the other person is incorrect and why you know best.
Thank you. As an great admirer of Ibsen (I read his works in Norwegian language) and of Edvard Much, who's Museum in Oslo as well as his works in the Norwegian National Museum I've visited several times, I'm delighted to watch your interesting video.
Carole Guberman and David Addison did a masterful job encapsulating the saga of Edvard Munch. The whole production was well done, other than I think they could have incorporated more paintings.
It is necessary to carefully observe the world so as not to be deceived by appearances. However, excessive care leads a person to transform into reality what could be considered just an illusion produced by a certain willingness to project fear, loss and sadness onto everything and everyone. Without lightness and irony, life becomes miserably depressing. When a painter represents the world influenced by this disposition, this does not mean that the world is what he saw and represented. It just means that it is one of the many existing possibilities that deserve to be considered. That's why it's important to see the work of melancholic, happy, hopeful and ironic painters side by side. Only in this way can we contemplate the aesthetic beauty of each person's work without delving into the feelings that inspired the artists.
Depression. Alcoholism. Tuberculosis. Familial mental illness. Death. He should have traveled south of the Alps. Sunshine. Pasta. Tomatoes. Violin concertos. The smell of ripe oranges crushed under the wheels of carriages. Bare bottoms frolicking in a turquoise sea. The glories of Florence. The marvels of Rome. The immensity of life lived in the shadow of eternity. ❤
Electric Shock Treatment seems to have shut him off from his pain, but also his creative energy. I wonder if it really healed him, or just made existence manageable
44:59 intensely (beautiful). Not sure where some critiques gets the notion that an artist must paint morosely his entire life in order for it to be called "intense". Human emotional states are as varied as the colors on a spectrum.
I did very much enjoy the documentary as I have always been fascinated and haunted by Munch’s paintings. What I found extremely annoying, however, was the fact that we rarely got to see an entre view of his paintings. They zoomed in on a canvas, and then scanned across it exposing bits and pieces. It would appear more intelligent to show the entre canvas, and then zoom in to show the details, or vice versa.
Interesting. I have known others who had electroshock treatment. All are passed away now. Most of the time it didn't work. But for a few, it DID work. It always seemed to me like using a nuclear weapon to kill a fly. Or a voodoo bone rattle healing. The doctors don't know what they are doing, because brain science isn't yet advanced enough. Many attribute sadistic motives or lack of clinical morality to the treatment. For many who actually chose to undergo it, it was a desperate choice for anything that could help. I never asked any of them about the 2nd moral dilemma. How can you be competant enough to make the choice to undergo this procedure?? For those who consented for whom it succeeded, I wish I had. The others? I never could.
@OnceTheyNamedMeiWasnt it's all or nothing for you. That nothing could be absolutely nothing happens, bad or good. It could also mean that your identity is gone. Or, a slow decline towards death. Or both depending on how high the level is. If you're really considering it, you're as desperate as I mentioned in the previous comment. Your bravery is beyond anything I myself could even contemplate, to even consider it. I'd not want to see anyone do it. But I'm not you. Good luck to you on whatever you decide.
Our brows have gone too long without their reefs. Why are there crowns for queens but not for you? The horns of sculpted Moses part the sea; a passageway believed and crossed by few. Do humpback whales still pirouette out there? The sea denies it parted in the past- -thy forehead’s only felt rogue strands of hair that dampen in the shallows where we splash. Thou, on the beach, the missing royal link; no resident to any beach-front house. Why walk the beach and wonder when to swim? our hallway in the sea conceals itself. But in the shallows, foreheads bead with drops. Ah, what those shining drops remind me of.
The image of the scream first appeared in ancient Egypt. At the time that that culture took off, more than one painter used the image. It's odd that he mentions his very different inspiration for using the image.
@devinmichaelroberts9954/ what an interesting comment..this is a very unique perspective & one that probably applies to more well known artists than one can imagine. It's odd how one well marketed artwork can eclipse all the others in an instant. The public is basically told what is good, what to buy and what to think. But the real tragedy is for the artist himself with a hundred plus other canvases of undeniable power and energy.
Questioning ...... To create paintings in a bad mental state. Same as Vincent van Gogh. To paint liberates the soal but to others some depresive expression isnt that what you want to hang above your sofa. 🤔😅 To choose for a more lighter subject can be more suitable. 😂 Art with or without a message....
Depression. Alcoholism. Tuberculosis. Familial mental illness. Death. He should have traveled south of the Alps. Sunshine. Pasta. Tomatoes. Violin concertos. The smell of ripe oranges crushed under the wheels of carriages. Bare bottoms frolicking in a turquoise sea. The glories of Florence. The marvels of Rome. The immensity of life lived in the shadow of eternity. ❤
and that wouldn't have helped nothing. Depression is a disease. Like diabetes. Would you say that to a person who suffers from that to go to the Alps and everything will be ok? When you are suffering from severe depression your body does not produce serotonine. I have severe depressions for over 30 years. And your respons is actually quit insulting.
@@normadesmond6017 AS you stated "Depression is a disease. Like diabetes." Context is a most useful thing. And who really knows what would and or would not have worked in the case of Mr. Munch. And fyi: The WHO (World Health Organization) classifies "Depression" as a Disorder: Ongoing Depressive State and not as you stated A Disease like Diabetes. Talk about insulting ..
@@Ipoetize you have a deep depression for 10 years and see if you would call it anything else but a disease. And insulting! I am really getting mad about this one. I am not insulting anyone with another disease. I am just fighting for the right to have a clinical depression regarded as a disease as well.
You posted the exact same comment twice on this video. Do you suffer from amnesia? If so you should travel south of the Alps. Sunshine. Pasta. Tomatoes. Violin concertos. The smell of ripe oranges crushed under the wheels of carriages. Bare bottoms frolicking in a turquoise sea. The glories of Florence. The marvels of Rome. The immensity of life lived in the shadow of eternity.
I have been suffering from severe depressions for 30 years. For me, this painting by Much is what it looks like when you are at your worst.
30 years of depression? Did you become a homosexual, lesbian or transvestite? Do you have suicidal or homicidal thoughts?
Just keep yourself busy my friend.
@@sasnad3 you have no idea what you are talking about
@@normadesmond6017 I respect your opinion. But I know that it is a good way of dealing with depression. Especially doing something creative. An idle mind is a depressed mind. And if you dont have a valid source of depression than I feel that it's because of u keeping ur mind idle which leads to envy, low self esteem etc. I would love to know what exactly i dont have an idea about so that I do get an idea, enlighten me plz
@@sasnad3people like you are incapable of being “enlightened” because you will always find a reason why the other person is incorrect and why you know best.
So ahead of he's time. He must have felt that loneliness too. Powerful stuff.
He must have known what was coming.
The parallels with Van Gogh are astonishing. Through a mixture of muddy colors appears a correct look or face profile.
Thank you for this brilliant video on Edvard Munch. As one who suffers from depression, his work has always resonated with me and inspired me.
Great documentary about one of the great European artists. Thank you.
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Thank you. As an great admirer of Ibsen (I read his works in Norwegian language) and of Edvard Much, who's Museum in Oslo as well as his works in the Norwegian National Museum I've visited several times, I'm delighted to watch your interesting video.
Carole Guberman and David Addison did a masterful job encapsulating the saga of Edvard Munch. The whole production was well done, other than I think they could have incorporated more paintings.
Thank you for uploading this documentary about Edvard Munch. I really admire his paintings and find his personality very intriguing.
Very timely, given what is happening in Israel and Gaza this week.
It is necessary to carefully observe the world so as not to be deceived by appearances. However, excessive care leads a person to transform into reality what could be considered just an illusion produced by a certain willingness to project fear, loss and sadness onto everything and everyone. Without lightness and irony, life becomes miserably depressing. When a painter represents the world influenced by this disposition, this does not mean that the world is what he saw and represented. It just means that it is one of the many existing possibilities that deserve to be considered. That's why it's important to see the work of melancholic, happy, hopeful and ironic painters side by side. Only in this way can we contemplate the aesthetic beauty of each person's work without delving into the feelings that inspired the artists.
Depression. Alcoholism. Tuberculosis. Familial mental illness. Death. He should have traveled south of the Alps. Sunshine. Pasta. Tomatoes. Violin concertos. The smell of ripe oranges crushed under the wheels of carriages. Bare bottoms frolicking in a turquoise sea. The glories of Florence. The marvels of Rome. The immensity of life lived in the shadow of eternity. ❤
Depression doesn't stop just because one moves to a nicer place.
pasta?
@@tuduloo7799slave food designed to remind the impoverished of a meat meal (hence the red sauces.)
@@lovingmayberry307Sunshine does help tho
anything is better than socialism
Thank you so much for this Performance😌
Electric Shock Treatment seems to have shut him off from his pain, but also his creative energy. I wonder if it really healed him, or just made existence manageable
The artwork he was doing at the end of his life is some of his best. The later life self portraits are magnificent
If he lived another 35 years after EST, I say it worked. At least he was willing to let it work for him, and never drink again.
I love listening to Carole Guberman’s voice. It’s very soothing. Thank you, this was interesting.
Edvard Munch...Gesichter seiner Ansicht...ein Mann mit vielen Gesichter😊
44:59 intensely (beautiful). Not sure where some critiques gets the notion that an artist must paint morosely his entire life in order for it to be called "intense". Human emotional states are as varied as the colors on a spectrum.
“The Scream “ powerful painting leaving to the imagination.
I did very much enjoy the documentary as I have always been fascinated and haunted by Munch’s paintings. What I found extremely annoying, however, was the fact that we rarely got to see an entre view of his paintings. They zoomed in on a canvas, and then scanned across it exposing bits and pieces. It would appear more intelligent to show the entre canvas, and then zoom in to show the details, or vice versa.
That womans's childish voice is disturbing
Vocal fry to try an sound like a man (but fail) is a recent fad.
The lady with grey hair? Her voice is pretty and she enunciates well.
If some dislike it, then I admire her persistence in following her interest.
Stop whining.
Interesting. I have known others who had electroshock treatment. All are passed away now. Most of the time it didn't work. But for a few, it DID work. It always seemed to me like using a nuclear weapon to kill a fly. Or a voodoo bone rattle healing. The doctors don't know what they are doing, because brain science isn't yet advanced enough. Many attribute sadistic motives or lack of clinical morality to the treatment. For many who actually chose to undergo it, it was a desperate choice for anything that could help. I never asked any of them about the 2nd moral dilemma. How can you be competant enough to make the choice to undergo this procedure?? For those who consented for whom it succeeded, I wish I had. The others? I never could.
@OnceTheyNamedMeiWasnt it's all or nothing for you. That nothing could be absolutely nothing happens, bad or good. It could also mean that your identity is gone. Or, a slow decline towards death. Or both depending on how high the level is. If you're really considering it, you're as desperate as I mentioned in the previous comment. Your bravery is beyond anything I myself could even contemplate, to even consider it. I'd not want to see anyone do it. But I'm not you. Good luck to you on whatever you decide.
Excellent
I suppose it is too early in the morning for me, but in the thumbnail, Munch looks like Grandpa Munster.
I see a resemblance.
'The Laughter' by Munch is even more disturbing.
It's about art historians.
Does it go by another name? I can’t seem to find it
@@the1stime It doesn't exist, it was. a joke.💀
oof 💀 indeed
@@the1stime😂
Yup I’m home
Ahh critics .. people who applaude the dead , but when they see the same traits in the living bury their heads in the sand
Our brows have gone too long without their reefs.
Why are there crowns for queens but not for you?
The horns of sculpted Moses part the sea;
a passageway believed and crossed by few.
Do humpback whales still pirouette out there?
The sea denies it parted in the past-
-thy forehead’s only felt rogue strands of hair
that dampen in the shallows where we splash.
Thou, on the beach, the missing royal link;
no resident to any beach-front house.
Why walk the beach and wonder when to swim?
our hallway in the sea conceals itself.
But in the shallows, foreheads bead with drops.
Ah, what those shining drops remind me of.
Very nice. Thank you.
We all going through something its a little thing called LIFE
No shit
@@leeturton9254 yep pretty much
That the Stop Oil hasn't used this paint where nature is screaming as a propaganda tool is astonishing. And for that, I'm grateful.
Is this narrated by the bloke from antiques roadshow
une interpretation du tableau? la clef se trouve chez francis bacon !
The image of the scream first appeared in ancient Egypt. At the time that that culture took off, more than one painter used the image. It's odd that he mentions his very different inspiration for using the image.
Johan Christian Dahl
Norwegian artist
Shout-out
The Scream is probably his least compelling painting to be honest
@devinmichaelroberts9954/ what an interesting comment..this is a very unique perspective & one that probably applies to more well known artists than one can imagine. It's odd how one well marketed artwork can eclipse all the others in an instant. The public is basically told what is good, what to buy and what to think. But the real tragedy is for the artist himself with a hundred plus other canvases of undeniable power and energy.
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Btw it's pronounced moonk
The only thing special about this painting is that people keep telling us it is special.
No se lo que dices
Garbage reproductions give the WRONG idea about his art.
Questioning ......
To create paintings in a bad mental state.
Same as Vincent van Gogh.
To paint liberates the soal but to others some depresive expression isnt that what you want to hang above your sofa. 🤔😅
To choose for a more lighter subject can be more suitable. 😂
Art with or without a message....
Depression. Alcoholism. Tuberculosis. Familial mental illness. Death. He should have traveled south of the Alps. Sunshine. Pasta. Tomatoes. Violin concertos. The smell of ripe oranges crushed under the wheels of carriages. Bare bottoms frolicking in a turquoise sea. The glories of Florence. The marvels of Rome. The immensity of life lived in the shadow of eternity. ❤
and that wouldn't have helped nothing. Depression is a disease. Like diabetes. Would you say that to a person who suffers from that to go to the Alps and everything will be ok? When you are suffering from severe depression your body does not produce serotonine. I have severe depressions for over 30 years. And your respons is actually quit insulting.
@@normadesmond6017
You are so correct!
@@normadesmond6017 AS you stated "Depression is a disease. Like diabetes." Context is a most useful thing. And who really knows what would and or would not have worked in the case of Mr. Munch. And fyi: The WHO (World Health Organization) classifies "Depression" as a Disorder: Ongoing Depressive State and not as you stated A Disease like Diabetes. Talk about insulting ..
@@Ipoetize you have a deep depression for 10 years and see if you would call it anything else but a disease. And insulting! I am really getting mad about this one. I am not insulting anyone with another disease. I am just fighting for the right to have a clinical depression regarded as a disease as well.
You posted the exact same comment twice on this video. Do you suffer from amnesia? If so you should travel south of the Alps. Sunshine. Pasta. Tomatoes.
Violin concertos. The smell of ripe oranges crushed under the wheels of carriages. Bare bottoms frolicking in a turquoise sea. The glories of Florence. The marvels of Rome. The immensity of life lived in the shadow of eternity.