So far the best review I’ve ever seen of this product in youtube, with all the video showing how it actually works. Great review and demo, thanks. New sub here.
Would just like to reiterate Romy M sentiments. It feels more ‘thorough’ due to your obvious initial scepticism, and the journey to the (admittedly guarded) recommendation more convincing. Without trying to patronise, I think I am probably of a similar age to you bad self and look forward to exploring your channel, as many of the others I’ve discovered have an unintended youthful ebullience that has the unfortunate side effect of leaving me indoors watching RUclips videos and only experiencing cycling vicariously. Much gratitude to you sir for your calm manner and visually beautiful videos.
I got the Seat Post yesterday and went out for a 13 mile spin on the rough West Devon lanes (I’m away from Argyll for a while). I bought the stem a few months ago and have been impressed. Together, my ride (for comfort not speed these days) was sublime👍🏽 Thanks for your Reviews Simon 😃
I put the Cane Creek Thudbuster on my hardtail a few years ago. It was a concession to age. I can’t shrug off the rough trails here in Phoenix Arizona the way I used to. It balances the 90mm suspension fork nicely, but the main problem is that adding weight that high on the frame has compromised handling when diving into turns at high speed. The weight so high up wants to keep the bike more upright. Still well worth it for the comfort it affords this aging body.
Thanks for the vids. Brought the shockstop stem, fitted today did 60 miles and OMG no hand numbess now(i'm 50) on my diverge 2016v Diverge Comp Carbon. Have to say the same as everybody else that has one "Why didn't I get one sooner?"
I bought the stem about a month ago direct from Redshift USA, who ship it through Amazon and - even though it was shipped right at the start of Amazon stepping up to help with delivering essential NHS supplies - they still managed to get it to me in just 3 days when Redshift thought it would take a month at least. A little voice inside was saying I hope this doesn't turn out to be a waste of money, but right from the very first ride I knew that I would never be removing it. As someobody who has suffered terribly with Raynauds ever since I was a child, the joy of ending a bike ride without numb hands is beyond words. I could fit a suspension fork to the 29er I have it fitted on, but the fork makes no difference in the way that the Redshift stem does. The only problem I have with the stem is that I now have to buy another 2 so I can fit one on each of my road and gravel bikes..... best bicycle thing that I ever bought period.
Following a crash in 1995,and complicated elbow injuries, I rode with a girvin flexstem.It was a bit more upmarket than the one in your vid,and for months I couldn't ride without it. It's still on one of my bikes now.Thanks for another really interesting vid;please keep them coming.
Excellent review, excellent video technique of which I'm envious. Strongly influenced my decision to purchase. With a degenerated spine, from occiput to sacrum, and levels of fusion and levels which may come to fusions, this system is keeping me on the bike, over rough pavement and gravel, longer, at higher speeds, and returning me home feeling better than I used to. Wish to add that when using the 30 deg stem (as opposed to the 6 deg) road shocks are cushioned in both horizontal and vertical planes. This is good since when the front wheel impacts a ridge in pavement or the far side of a pothole, the body's mass transmits a large horizontal force through the hands and applied to the hoods.
That's really useful information - I'm sure the team at Redshift would be interested to hear, if you haven't mentioned it already. I don't know whether you've seen my updated video, but it's here: ruclips.net/video/z6l7eyBDLGA/видео.html
Same. A while back the shop repair guy pushed my handlebars lower which made my wrist really hurt while riding. I'm very hapoy to discover that stem suspensions exist. About to make my bike a full full full suspension everywhere 😂😂
I agree with your opinion and review. Having a dampener effect will probably make your bike ride much better and RedShift has done a good job to update this. This can always be dampened at your other contact point, your wheels. Running a bigger tire on wider rims at a lower tire pressure makes a huge difference. Of course this is comes with its downsides too, but changing the stiffness can be easily adjusted with just a increase or decrease in psi. I guess it all boils down to your preferences and budget.
@@alwaysanotheradventure yes for me it does. That said I should explain, I'm not a hardcore athlete just a 73 year young person riding to stay healthy. The area where I live has mostly pretty rough chip & seal farm roads and fairly well maintained gravel roads. I ride an average of 100 miles a week and now that I'm using this stem and seatpost it's a pleasure watching my fellow cyclist get off their saddles going over cracks and rough spots while I just cruise through in Comfort.
Great video,,, thanks for sharing I use soft foam rap around the handle bars and away I go,,, lifes simple that way... way easier on the hands, arms and upper body. A person's hand print is spread out equally which improves the ride alot. Your hands darn near fall asleep since they are so relaxed...
I've been keeping a keen eye on RedShift's products for awhile, particularly their stem. I haven't pulled the trigger yet due to the price and international shipping. I must say your video presentation is incredible - from the music choice, editing, and of course, your charisma both in front of the camera and overlayed over the footage. Plus you cover every question I had of the products and the video is just the right length! If you had a graphic designer go over some of your graphics (the transitions and animations are perfectly fine!) I think you could easily give some certain cycling review channels a run for their money!
Thanks Justin. I'm glad you find the video useful. Yeah, I used to have a graphics team on the floor below me at the BBC so I'm sadly lacking in that department!
Great review. I just ordered the stem on the strength of this video. Just getting back into cycling and had noticed some aching joints in my hands when playing piano after riding my new hybrid bike. Hoping this takes the edge off the road vibrations.
Thanks for this, the post actuation footage is really interesting. I use both, had the stem for a couple of years and the post from release. An advantage to the built-in frame design options is that - where geometry permits - you can move this between bikes. With the post I found you need to use the settings in the instructions as a starting point only - I was meant to only use one spring and low pre-load, ended up with both and higher setting. When it's dialled in it's great. I try to spin wherever possible, so don't worry about high torque efforts, or grunt out of the saddle - if everything flexes it just reminds me to focus more on technique. The hassle is accounting for variables: full backpack/camelbak, bikepacking/saddlebags, large variance in surface/terrain - BUT it's not just the height that needs adjusting, it's the saddle's setback too. It's very hard to set the sag on your own. You also need to remember to be in your normal cycling position with your weight forward.etc. As you say the stem is left on the bike for everything except full on roadery, the post will be as and when required.
Tony - that's very helpful. Thank you for taking the time to write that. I think I'll try to work all that into the final video I do on this seatpost. Highly appreciated.
@@alwaysanotheradventure Footnote - I carry my spare tube under my saddle, between the rails and held in place with a Louri strap - now that's sat happy on Dirty Reiver 200s, Yorkshire True Grits, Grinduro Scotland... All with a normal post - but yesterday the tube was ejected at some point. It was mostly a road ride with a couple of bridleways and a smidgen of singletrack - so I'll carry tubes elsewhere in future.
Using both. Like them both, but think the seatpost is better. Bobbing is minimal for me as I spin up hills in low gears. I see new models of gravel bikes having something similar. Specialized’s Future Shock is an example.
Ah, now that's good to hear. Thanks Vint. I think I'll come to like that seat post more when I learn how to dial it in (ie what settings) for different surfaces. I'm going to have to work out a way of carrying an under-seat pack for bikepacking.
David Ward If you push pretty hard there is some bobbing, but it is amazingly smooth on the gravel. Trade off. I don’t think it is good for high performance efforts, where it may well soak up some power. You have full power standing, as the suspension is in the seat. That is a plus that hard tail’s have.
I understand exactly what you mean Mark. the stem helps my wrists to the point where they're not an issue now. Less beneficial but still useful is the seatpost. Just checking you saw the latest longer term review ruclips.net/video/z6l7eyBDLGA/видео.html
I'll have to look into the stem. The city streets here (Winnipeg) are worse than roads I've encountered in third world countries (not hyperbole) and when I get into periods of high-mileage weeks, my wrists get very unhappy. The stem might help.
i had a spring powered suspensionseatpost. the bobbing is quite annoying and the weight is high. i switched to a pnw suspension dropper post with 40mm of hydraulic suspension. it doesent bob arround as much, feels even better, does its job and it can drop 100 - 120mm for descending super comfortably. all that with the same more or less 500 grams
I can see how a hydraulic version might be better, and that's a good weight. Actually, now I have mine dialed up I don't feel it working at all (although it is). Did you see the updated version of this video? ruclips.net/video/z6l7eyBDLGA/видео.html
@@alwaysanotheradventure sounds great. I always wondered if this kind of suspension might not increase traction even, because it doesent bounce you up, so there is more weight on the rear wheel at all times.
Helpful review of products I'm considering investing in myself. On the basis of this I'm going to give the stem a try. Seems like a solution for the trail chatter effects upon by arthritic thumbs, hopefully. Thanks Simon.
It has been around for a while but it does work. Check out the Podcast (not mine!) linked from the video description if you'd like to know more about its history.
I've been looking at seatpost suspension and narrowed it down to Cane Creek and Redshift, the cost is the only thing making me hesitate, the Redshift with the shim comes to $240, the cane Creek is $170.
I have a stem inbound based on this review, probably a bit of a different beast though, it is the 30 dgrs one to go on my steel 29+, will be interesting to see how it fares, both on and off the tracks and with me being a rather large fellow. :-)
Lauf Grit fork and Cane Creek EESilk seatpost is the way I would go. Or Ergon carbon susp. seatpost. If you shop around on ebay you can find a chinese knockoff of the Ergon cheap for around $70. DIYcarbonbikes in the US carries the chinese knockoff for $150.
I've got a Brooks Flyer. The stem seems interesting, but I think it could be overkill. Plus adding expense just means it gets nicked quicker. Nice vid mate.
@@SC-hk6ui They're worth trying, but it's o your own bike you notice the difference. I used to get wrist pain when riding my gravel bike on rough, rocky tracks. The stem takes that buzz away and has made quite a significant difference. My point being, you can't tell how well it works on just a quick local ride, it needs to be at the end of a longer rougher ride.
Thanks for the review. I think I'm going to get one for my Specialized Diverge Elite. That front end is a bit harsh on rougher road. Maybe this can help.
@@alwaysanotheradventure Cheers. FYI: I purchased the stem for my wife's bike and mine as a result of your review. Still mulling over the seat post. Best to you.
Possibly, but that would add more weight to an already beefy system. I think Redshift aim the seat post at regular, fast gravel - not long steep climbs, and for that it works.
If they added a lockout to the seatpost perhaps? H How about steep descents on FSR and gravel over 15% grades, or would you find a dropper more useful, like PNW’s damper dropper combo post?
Hi Graptos - you know I think they've been talking about a dropper version. After I shot this, I left the seat post in place to see if I could be convinced of its usefulness on a gravel bike when tackling rough tracks. Just as the dreadful winter weather started to improve... lockdown. I'm still waiting to try it on a longer, rough ride where I think it'll be more useful. Not as suspension on a steeper hill, but more for reducing the fatigue on the body. Eventually it will happen... eventually...
I weigh 97 kg and the Shockstop is supposed to rated to handle a rider to 110 kg. Well, I bought one today and despite it being adjusted to max preload with the hardest elastomers installed, I found it bottomed out when I sat on it. When I rode around it just bottomed out all the time with the occasional lift when I went over a big bump. A hopeless product. Don't buy one if you are over 80 kg in weight because it doesn't work. Mine gets returned to the shop on Monday for a refund.
@@alwaysanotheradventure Thanks happy to see its still mostly positive, I pulled the trigger yesterday! I mostly ride a hardtail mountain bike on the road and here our roads are anything but smooth, I just want to take the edge out of the impacts.
@@alwaysanotheradventure Received it today. I'm 192lbs, I set the preload to 4, I didnt add the extra spring, I ride a hard tail mountain bike on road and gravel roads and the difference is just insane...actually makes my forks feel cheap now...Was expensive once shipped to Canada, but wow, makes a world of difference. I think the seat could be made of granite and I'd be ok.
I don't understand your reference to "soaking up energy." What energy is it soaking up that you need? Pedaling requires the extension of your legs (against gravity) without any reference to your seat. The seat doesn't impart any help as only your weight is used in pedaling (against gravity). If you were belted into the seat, then sure, the seat would provide you some degree of a fixed point from which your muscles could "push" off. But if just seated, that doesn't happen/isn't possible. Can you explain what you're talking about, I really don't understand. Thanks. Good video.
Thanks for the comment, and given the title of your user name, I'm scared to argue the physics with you 😁. Let me attempt it in a real-world situation before venturing into science. Downhill mountain bikes, and some cross-country ones, have large shock-absorbers for the rear triangle, incorporating the seat. They come with lock-out mechanisms, usually operated from the handlebar, to kill the 'bounce' when riding uphill because it's an energy drag. You get similar non-bar operated lock-outs on some front shocks too. That's what I was feeling here, although it's less pronounced when I firmed up the spring in the seatpost. OK, I'll dare to attempt the physics, but be nice to me because I'm out of my depth on science. If we accept conservation of energy, then something is making that saddle bounce up and down. If it was just gravity, then it wouldn't go up again, it would stay down. That something, to my mind, can only be the energy coming from the cyclist. I suspect - and here I'm going way out on a limb - the energy used in the down stroke of the pedal doesn't travel entirely into the drive chain but also 'unweights' the cyclists body. (Borrowing a skiing term there) At the bottom of the stroke, unless he/she's a pro and can pedal in smooth circles, the weight comes back onto the saddle. With a shock absorber, the saddle then sags, until the next power stroke 'unweights' the cyclist again and it rises. This weighting and unweighting creates the bounce and wastes energy. I stand to be corrected on the physics of this, but if you ride a full sus MTB uphill you'll find the effect is real.
Glad you like it, thanks. Elastic would be overstating it, and the bounce can be dialled up or down for the conditions. It was a bit soft at first and floated over the rough stuff but that would be too bouncy on tarmac. Because of this damn virus I’m not riding where I want to test the seat post - on a long rough ride where I think it would ease some of the fatigue. Rough tracks are out due to their inherent risk which I’m trying to avoid. So I’ve ridden it a lot on easy tracks and tarmac where it’s fine, not elastic at all, but not really needed either. That’s about as helpful as I can be until I can get out for a full day blast off road.
@@DavidWard14 Hi David - because of the covid19 restrictions I'm staying off the long rougher trails where I'd hoped to test the seatpost, but the stem is a winner. Not sure about what deals you can get where you are - you'd need to speak to Redshift who are fast to reply (or at least were before the world fell apart!)
@@alwaysanotheradventure Yes I'm definitely getting the stem for my gravel bike. I have spoken to Erik from Redshift at length the last week, over email. No need to contact them for a deal, it's right on their site; buy the stem + seatpost combo and there's a little discount to be had (US$30). The more I'm thinking about it, there must be a Crr efficiency to be gained on rough terrain. Much like a soft tyre at the right pressure can deform over terrain, this seatpost would allow the bike to only need to lift the weight of the bike to get over bumps rather than bike + rider, which would be like 10x heavier. Would the lack of pedaling efficiency on tarmac (pedal bob) offset that by much assuming a 50:50 tarmac: off-road ride? We need a controlled test 😀
@@alwaysanotheradventure the only problem I could only source the one product and it retails for £279 It’s crying out for the Chinese to start doing clones at a far cheaper price 😐
@@alwaysanotheradventure I wouldn’t mind betting it’s already made in China as they are more than capable of producing high quality, I suspect the mark up is from the distributor and stockists.
The suspension seatpost does not reduce power delivered to the pedals because slamming your behind into your seat does not make you ride faster or harder.
Hi Mark - I'm not entirely clear what you mean. My point is that some of the energy I'm putting into the pedals is inadvertently going into moving the saddle up and down. That's why MTB front suspension often has lock outs, as does the rear shock on full suspension cross country bikes. However you're right, it's not much on a rough road, although it's more noticeable on tarmac and on a steeper climb, something I've discussed this with the team at Redshift. I go into it a little more in the long term review here ruclips.net/video/z6l7eyBDLGA/видео.html Thanks for taking the time to write.
@@alwaysanotheradventure It's just physics really. You cannot compare pedal bob to suspension seatpost bob. Pedal bob is the result of the rear suspension compressing due to forces exerted on the pedals. Had your seatpost been rigid, any force you apply to it with your butt does not contribute to the forward motion of your bike. In fact, it only proves that sitting on your seat reduces the force you can exert on your pedals. You can even argue that a compressing seatpost adds more force to the pedals compared to a rigid post because instead of being totally blocking your torso's downward motion, you're still allowed some movement. Think of it this way. When you're standing on your pedals, your torso naturally goes up and down. A properly adjusted seat height allows you great efficiency in seated pedaling but your body still wants to push lower like it was standing. When you fully extend the front of your foot on your downstroke in a seated position, you can essentially hover over your seat and make a full stride without compressing the suspension seatpost or banging on the seat on a rigid seatpost. It's all about pedaling technique. The undulation of the seatpost is simply due to your entire body's natural motion. If you still feel strongly about your theory, please try to talk to a physicist or mechanical engineer about this. If no seat delivers more power to the pedals, and with seat delivers less, a compliant seat delivers somewhere in between. The only problem is if you raise your suspension seatpost higher than a rigid one. That would mean you've created a constant resisting force to your pedaling. That's on you, not the device. You should have just pre-loaded the spring instead.
I don't know - I'd ask Redshift Sports because they're very approachable. I find the stem is great with my Alu bars but I don't need it on the bike with the carbon bars.
Great review. I’m considering the seatpost to soften up the rear of a hardtail mountain bike - any thoughts on that as a use case? I’m more of a roadie but use my MTB for easy trails etc (i.e. similar to the stuff you’re tackling on a gravel bike).
thanks - as long as you don't expect it to turn a hard tail into a full sus bike, then it should be fine. It might be worth checking the more recent video too - ruclips.net/video/z6l7eyBDLGA/видео.html
I don’t see why it wouldn’t, although it’s best for vibration rather than hitting massive potholes. It’s defo more shock stop than suspension. Mind, the latter would be a bit dangerous on steering! Check with Redshift if you’re in doubt - they’re pretty good at replies.
I haven’t Hugh. I know there are suspension forks coming into gravel but I feel (for me at least) if I need that I’m on the wrong bike. The Redshift stuff, despite its name, is not really suspension as we know it on bikes. The stem and the pro versions of the saddle are probably more accurately described as vibration dampers. They take out the trail buzz and ease the bashing on your body. Interestingly I don’t need either on my Vielo which has a carbon frame designed to flex, plus seatpost and bars. Oh and fairly fat-ish tyres.
@@alwaysanotheradventure I am continually swithering between a hardtail 29er and a gravel bike. Seems to me that a slack gravel bike (like the new Camino or the Silex) with a short travel suspension fork would give me something that works well in both modes. But it is a lot of money to gamble! A pal has the RS stem with a carbon frame and 650b tyres but there are times I am faster than him downhill on my old 26er because of the suspension. Too many choices!
Hey I'm a big guy, 6'3" and I'm just shy of 300 lbs, I'm wondering if the seatpost would work for me? I've had a couple low back surgeries so I figure it would be good to avoid the constant impact
Hi Jamesey. Well it would work, and it certainly cuts impact, but I'm hesitant to say a definite "yes" that this is for you. It might be worth contacting Redshift Sports, who seem very approachable, and giving them some details about your height/weight etc so they can tell you exactly how it should perform. They'll know if other folk who've had back issues have been helped.
Jamesey, consider something more heavy-duty. I ride with Cane Creek Thudbuster panto on my XC MTB which has similar weight penalty as redshift but more travel. I never committed the budget, but a full suspension bike might also be a good option - the more of a frame is amortised, the better and the bikes have been getting lighter and you get a proper shock absorber, with adjustable compression and damping, not just a piece of rubber...
I know what you mean Don. I'm pretty sure they'd argue a lockout isn't needed if you use them on terrain for which they're designed. I tried to go into this more in the follow-up video ruclips.net/video/z6l7eyBDLGA/видео.html
For the stem do you recommend ordering the same length stem as you are currently running? Does the suspension or stack height (right term?) make a difference to the size you choose? Good vid thanks! 👍🏻
Honestly, I don't know. We're straying into the realms of bike fitting here and I know when to politely decline due to lack of expertise. I kept the same stem length, and you could always check with Redshift - the team there are very approachable.
Hi Fraser - I've been asked this so often I've made a video about them, and will get it edited and released very soon. For now though they're by Sunwise and the model is Austin. I don't know the current price because they're only available through opticians and the cost will depend on the prescription of the lens.
Still pretty much this: ruclips.net/video/z6l7eyBDLGA/видео.html I don't use it on longer rides where I want a lighter bike, and it won't be going on my more compliant carbon gravel bike. But there is a place for it Cha.
@@alwaysanotheradventure Thanks, the video in the link was great. I'm thinking of purchasing one for my hardtail DIY ebike which is already heavy. Just looking for a little comfort on my 25 mile jaunts. Thanks again for a great set of videos.
I say this in jest, but at the beginning when you say, "I don't see the point." You obviously haven't had back surgery and hit a bump riding your bike.
You're right Alec - I should have said "I don't see the point for me". A friend who has had spinal issues contacted me about this on FB too and put me right. Of course, this seatpost needs to be useful to more riders than just those with back issues, and I'm starting to think it is.
Stem is brilliant. Pro marginally lighter. The new pro seatpost beats the old one and fits ME at 75kg (it’s not adjustable but excellent). I think new models for different weight could appear soon. Working on review of the pro seatpost but it has been used by some top racers to great effect.
Bought the stem and fitted it, went for a tarmac and fire road ride out to Gairletter and Ardentinny. First verdict……bloody brilliant, just takes the edge off the more rougher bits 👍🏽
So far the best review I’ve ever seen of this product in youtube, with all the video showing how it actually works. Great review and demo, thanks. New sub here.
Glad you enjoyed it Tom, and thanks!
Agree. I was darn impressed with your approach to the review and the level of detail and camera work. Thank you.
Would just like to reiterate Romy M sentiments. It feels more ‘thorough’ due to your obvious initial scepticism, and the journey to the (admittedly guarded) recommendation more convincing.
Without trying to patronise, I think I am probably of a similar age to you bad self and look forward to exploring your channel, as many of the others I’ve discovered have an unintended youthful ebullience that has the unfortunate side effect of leaving me indoors watching RUclips videos and only experiencing cycling vicariously. Much gratitude to you sir for your calm manner and visually beautiful videos.
I got the Seat Post yesterday and went out for a 13 mile spin on the rough West Devon lanes (I’m away from Argyll for a while).
I bought the stem a few months ago and have been impressed.
Together, my ride (for comfort not speed these days) was sublime👍🏽
Thanks for your Reviews Simon 😃
Delighted to hear it’s working for you.
I put the Cane Creek Thudbuster on my hardtail a few years ago. It was a concession to age. I can’t shrug off the rough trails here in Phoenix Arizona the way I used to. It balances the 90mm suspension fork nicely, but the main problem is that adding weight that high on the frame has compromised handling when diving into turns at high speed. The weight so high up wants to keep the bike more upright. Still well worth it for the comfort it affords this aging body.
Thanks for the vids. Brought the shockstop stem, fitted today did 60 miles and OMG no hand numbess now(i'm 50) on my diverge 2016v Diverge Comp Carbon. Have to say the same as everybody else that has one "Why didn't I get one sooner?"
I’m really pleased for you and hope it continues to make a difference!
I bought the stem about a month ago direct from Redshift USA, who ship it through Amazon and - even though it was shipped right at the start of Amazon stepping up to help with delivering essential NHS supplies - they still managed to get it to me in just 3 days when Redshift thought it would take a month at least.
A little voice inside was saying I hope this doesn't turn out to be a waste of money, but right from the very first ride I knew that I would never be removing it. As someobody who has suffered terribly with Raynauds ever since I was a child, the joy of ending a bike ride without numb hands is beyond words. I could fit a suspension fork to the 29er I have it fitted on, but the fork makes no difference in the way that the Redshift stem does. The only problem I have with the stem is that I now have to buy another 2 so I can fit one on each of my road and gravel bikes..... best bicycle thing that I ever bought period.
Wow! Thanks for taking the time to share that experience Nigel and I'm delighted it has been so good for you.
Following a crash in 1995,and complicated elbow injuries, I rode with a girvin flexstem.It was a bit more upmarket than the one in your vid,and for months I couldn't ride without it. It's still on one of my bikes now.Thanks for another really interesting vid;please keep them coming.
Philip Smith I’ve never used on myself - great to know it’s still in use though. I bet the makers would be chuffed.
Excellent review, excellent video technique of which I'm envious. Strongly influenced my decision to purchase.
With a degenerated spine, from occiput to sacrum, and levels of fusion and levels which may come to fusions, this system is keeping me on the bike, over rough pavement and gravel, longer, at higher speeds, and returning me home feeling better than I used to.
Wish to add that when using the 30 deg stem (as opposed to the 6 deg) road shocks are cushioned in both horizontal and vertical planes. This is good since when the front wheel impacts a ridge in pavement or the far side of a pothole, the body's mass transmits a large horizontal force through the hands and applied to the hoods.
That's really useful information - I'm sure the team at Redshift would be interested to hear, if you haven't mentioned it already. I don't know whether you've seen my updated video, but it's here: ruclips.net/video/z6l7eyBDLGA/видео.html
Nice review! Just ordered the stem, as i find all the vibration on gravel quite uncomfortable on my hands. Hope the new stem will help
Same. A while back the shop repair guy pushed my handlebars lower which made my wrist really hurt while riding. I'm very hapoy to discover that stem suspensions exist. About to make my bike a full full full suspension everywhere 😂😂
I agree with your opinion and review. Having a dampener effect will probably make your bike ride much better and RedShift has done a good job to update this. This can always be dampened at your other contact point, your wheels. Running a bigger tire on wider rims at a lower tire pressure makes a huge difference. Of course this is comes with its downsides too, but changing the stiffness can be easily adjusted with just a increase or decrease in psi. I guess it all boils down to your preferences and budget.
Thanks for that - I found exactly this (about wheel sizes) when i did the long term review ruclips.net/video/z6l7eyBDLGA/видео.html
Always Another Adventure yes I watched that. I’m a huge fan of your channel. You present content well.
@@hardmtnbiker Thank you
Very good & directly to the point review thank you. I have both the stem in the seat post from redshift absolutely love them.
Ah, so Spike tell me. Do you feel the seatpost reduces fatigue on longer rough rides? This damn lockdown has stopped my testing
@@alwaysanotheradventure yes for me it does. That said I should explain, I'm not a hardcore athlete just a 73 year young person riding to stay healthy. The area where I live has mostly pretty rough chip & seal farm roads and fairly well maintained gravel roads. I ride an average of 100 miles a week and now that I'm using this stem and seatpost it's a pleasure watching my fellow cyclist get off their saddles going over cracks and rough spots while I just cruise through in Comfort.
Great video,,, thanks for sharing
I use soft foam rap around the handle bars and away I go,,, lifes simple that way... way easier on the hands, arms and upper body. A person's hand print is spread out equally which improves the ride alot.
Your hands darn near fall asleep since they are so relaxed...
Sounds good. I have gel under the bar tape but the stem still works for me.
Very informing and professionally made video! Thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
Yes, this guy has a professional voice-over voice.
@@DavidWard14 Yep. And the videos are top notch as well... Nice!
@@DavidWard14 You got me David - years as a BBC reporter before doing something more fun
@@alwaysanotheradventure I knew you must have had experience in using your voice professionally 👍😃 Easy to listen to.
Really great presentation skills, was not expecting that 👌
Just found your videos yesterday. Subscribed. You deserve a lot more subscribers. Great information. Thank you.
Thanks Michael, appreciated.
I've been keeping a keen eye on RedShift's products for awhile, particularly their stem. I haven't pulled the trigger yet due to the price and international shipping. I must say your video presentation is incredible - from the music choice, editing, and of course, your charisma both in front of the camera and overlayed over the footage. Plus you cover every question I had of the products and the video is just the right length! If you had a graphic designer go over some of your graphics (the transitions and animations are perfectly fine!) I think you could easily give some certain cycling review channels a run for their money!
Thanks Justin. I'm glad you find the video useful. Yeah, I used to have a graphics team on the floor below me at the BBC so I'm sadly lacking in that department!
love the rotating wheel at 2:30-ish
Well spotted Bob - nudged with my elbow
Great review. I just ordered the stem on the strength of this video. Just getting back into cycling and had noticed some aching joints in my hands when playing piano after riding my new hybrid bike. Hoping this takes the edge off the road vibrations.
Hi Brick - I'll be interested to hear how you get on and I'm sure the team at Redshift will too. It certainly helped me,
Try putting second smaller spring into the seatpost with little less preload. I feel it works better on tarmac.
Oh? Reduces movement on tarmac and thus improves pedaling efficiency?
Carbon flexing seatposts (like the Ergon CF3 for example) are the way to go.
Yep, they look good.
Thanks for this, the post actuation footage is really interesting. I use both, had the stem for a couple of years and the post from release. An advantage to the built-in frame design options is that - where geometry permits - you can move this between bikes. With the post I found you need to use the settings in the instructions as a starting point only - I was meant to only use one spring and low pre-load, ended up with both and higher setting. When it's dialled in it's great. I try to spin wherever possible, so don't worry about high torque efforts, or grunt out of the saddle - if everything flexes it just reminds me to focus more on technique. The hassle is accounting for variables: full backpack/camelbak, bikepacking/saddlebags, large variance in surface/terrain - BUT it's not just the height that needs adjusting, it's the saddle's setback too. It's very hard to set the sag on your own. You also need to remember to be in your normal cycling position with your weight forward.etc. As you say the stem is left on the bike for everything except full on roadery, the post will be as and when required.
Tony - that's very helpful. Thank you for taking the time to write that. I think I'll try to work all that into the final video I do on this seatpost. Highly appreciated.
@@alwaysanotheradventure Footnote - I carry my spare tube under my saddle, between the rails and held in place with a Louri strap - now that's sat happy on Dirty Reiver 200s, Yorkshire True Grits, Grinduro Scotland... All with a normal post - but yesterday the tube was ejected at some point. It was mostly a road ride with a couple of bridleways and a smidgen of singletrack - so I'll carry tubes elsewhere in future.
@@tonyoswald3013 Thanks for mentioning that. I keep my spare tubes under the saddle too, so it's good to know that might happen.
Using both. Like them both, but think the seatpost is better. Bobbing is minimal for me as I spin up hills in low gears.
I see new models of gravel bikes having something similar. Specialized’s Future Shock is an example.
Ah, now that's good to hear. Thanks Vint. I think I'll come to like that seat post more when I learn how to dial it in (ie what settings) for different surfaces. I'm going to have to work out a way of carrying an under-seat pack for bikepacking.
Hi Vint. So you don't feel the seatpost robs energy on smooth tarmac, once you have it dialled in? Thanks.
David Ward If you push pretty hard there is some bobbing, but it is amazingly smooth on the gravel. Trade off.
I don’t think it is good for high performance efforts, where it may well soak up some power. You have full power standing, as the suspension is in the seat. That is a plus that hard tail’s have.
I have both and they are money well spent. The shock spot seat makes you feel as if you are floating over the road. I'd buy it again too.
Thanks Howard - they'll be pleased to hear that.
Very helpful video. It makes me want to go out and buy it. My gravel bike gets a little tough on my body after a while. Thanks again.
I understand exactly what you mean Mark. the stem helps my wrists to the point where they're not an issue now. Less beneficial but still useful is the seatpost. Just checking you saw the latest longer term review ruclips.net/video/z6l7eyBDLGA/видео.html
No better person to present comfort, comfort, comfort!
Great reviews and entertaining content. I’ve purchased the stem based partly on your experience thank you.
Hope you're happy with it Mick. You might want to tell Erik that at Shockstop that too, if you're in touch with them. Thanks. S
I'll have to look into the stem. The city streets here (Winnipeg) are worse than roads I've encountered in third world countries (not hyperbole) and when I get into periods of high-mileage weeks, my wrists get very unhappy. The stem might help.
I find the suspension seatposts hilarious, I love em ,I'm peddling along bouncing and smiling 😅
Might need a bit if adjusting if you’re actually bouncing! 😁
i had a spring powered suspensionseatpost. the bobbing is quite annoying and the weight is high. i switched to a pnw suspension dropper post with 40mm of hydraulic suspension. it doesent bob arround as much, feels even better, does its job and it can drop 100 - 120mm for descending super comfortably. all that with the same more or less 500 grams
I can see how a hydraulic version might be better, and that's a good weight. Actually, now I have mine dialed up I don't feel it working at all (although it is). Did you see the updated version of this video? ruclips.net/video/z6l7eyBDLGA/видео.html
@@alwaysanotheradventure sounds great. I always wondered if this kind of suspension might not increase traction even, because it doesent bounce you up, so there is more weight on the rear wheel at all times.
Helpful review of products I'm considering investing in myself. On the basis of this I'm going to give the stem a try. Seems like a solution for the trail chatter effects upon by arthritic thumbs, hopefully. Thanks Simon.
I'm pretty sure you'll like it Michael.
You get a discount if you buy the stem and seatpost together 🤔
Thanks for not calling it a “dampener”.
That would be a bit wet 😬
That stem looks like a great option for non-Diverge riders 😉👍
It has been around for a while but it does work. Check out the Podcast (not mine!) linked from the video description if you'd like to know more about its history.
always another adventure thanks. I will do 👍
excellent review; this stem may be a future option for the belgian cobbles
I hadn't thought of that Sylvain - what a good idea.
I've been looking at seatpost suspension and narrowed it down to Cane Creek and Redshift, the cost is the only thing making me hesitate, the Redshift with the shim comes to $240, the cane Creek is $170.
I've not had the chance to try the Cane Creek so I can't comment - I hope whichever you get works for you.
I have a stem inbound based on this review, probably a bit of a different beast though, it is the 30 dgrs one to go on my steel 29+, will be interesting to see how it fares, both on and off the tracks and with me being a rather large fellow. :-)
Thanks
Lauf Grit fork and Cane Creek EESilk seatpost is the way I would go. Or Ergon carbon susp. seatpost. If you shop around on ebay you can find a chinese knockoff of the Ergon cheap for around $70. DIYcarbonbikes in the US carries the chinese knockoff for $150.
I'm sure folk will look at those and make a decision. Not sure I'm convinced about the fork but the seatpost looks good.
I love those seatposts. I had one, but I think the brand was different. I think it cost me 30 US. P.s., great video, thanks for sharing good man 👨
I've got a Brooks Flyer. The stem seems interesting, but I think it could be overkill. Plus adding expense just means it gets nicked quicker. Nice vid mate.
The flyer certainly has plenty of bounce in those springs. Actually, you don't notice the stem as being anything different.
@@alwaysanotheradventure I'll try to have a go with one some time. I'm hoping for some good tours this spring and perhaps meeting somebody with one.
@@SC-hk6ui They're worth trying, but it's o your own bike you notice the difference. I used to get wrist pain when riding my gravel bike on rough, rocky tracks. The stem takes that buzz away and has made quite a significant difference. My point being, you can't tell how well it works on just a quick local ride, it needs to be at the end of a longer rougher ride.
@@alwaysanotheradventure That's great advice - thanks :-) I'm doing quite a few modifications for a very similar reason.
Thanks for the review. I think I'm going to get one for my Specialized Diverge Elite. That front end is a bit harsh on rougher road. Maybe this can help.
Bob - you might need to experiment with the different elastomers to get the damping you need, but I think you'll find it's worth it.
Great review. Thanks for such a great video
Thanks Darren - if you're interested in the seatpost, there's a long term test here: ruclips.net/video/z6l7eyBDLGA/видео.html
@@alwaysanotheradventure Cheers. FYI: I purchased the stem for my wife's bike and mine as a result of your review. Still mulling over the seat post. Best to you.
Great one mate .. enjoyed it
Thank you for this review
My pleasure! Check the up to date one too ruclips.net/video/z6l7eyBDLGA/видео.html Might be helpful. (And it looks quite good I think!)
Love your style. Subscribed. Pedal on!
Hey, thanks!
Big fan of the Redshift stem, hand numbness is gone and I don't want suspension forks in the future.
Good to hear. Trying the new Pro version of the stem now.
Fantastic reviews!
Glad you like them!
Great review! Subscribed
Thanks for the sub Paulo
Looks like the seat post could do with a lockout mechanism for climbs, perhaps similar to what you would have for a dropper post?
Possibly, but that would add more weight to an already beefy system. I think Redshift aim the seat post at regular, fast gravel - not long steep climbs, and for that it works.
I have tried with a full suspension but I felt that I losing power during the climb too
If they added a lockout to the seatpost perhaps? H
How about steep descents on FSR and gravel over 15% grades, or would you find a dropper more useful, like PNW’s damper dropper combo post?
Hi Graptos - you know I think they've been talking about a dropper version. After I shot this, I left the seat post in place to see if I could be convinced of its usefulness on a gravel bike when tackling rough tracks. Just as the dreadful winter weather started to improve... lockdown. I'm still waiting to try it on a longer, rough ride where I think it'll be more useful. Not as suspension on a steeper hill, but more for reducing the fatigue on the body. Eventually it will happen... eventually...
I weigh 97 kg and the Shockstop is supposed to rated to handle a rider to 110 kg. Well, I bought one today and despite it being adjusted to max preload with the hardest elastomers installed, I found it bottomed out when I sat on it. When I rode around it just bottomed out all the time with the occasional lift when I went over a big bump. A hopeless product. Don't buy one if you are over 80 kg in weight because it doesn't work. Mine gets returned to the shop on Monday for a refund.
Sorry to hear that. I've used two now and heard from loads of people who love them. I'm 74kg and mine is nowhere near the maximum on either version.
Great review thanks!
Thanks - I've just done a longer term review of the seatpost you might find helpful. It went live this morning.
@@alwaysanotheradventure Thanks happy to see its still mostly positive, I pulled the trigger yesterday! I mostly ride a hardtail mountain bike on the road and here our roads are anything but smooth, I just want to take the edge out of the impacts.
@@Speedytrip I hope you get on well with it.
@@alwaysanotheradventure Received it today. I'm 192lbs, I set the preload to 4, I didnt add the extra spring, I ride a hard tail mountain bike on road and gravel roads and the difference is just insane...actually makes my forks feel cheap now...Was expensive once shipped to Canada, but wow, makes a world of difference. I think the seat could be made of granite and I'd be ok.
I don't understand your reference to "soaking up energy." What energy is it soaking up that you need? Pedaling requires the extension of your legs (against gravity) without any reference to your seat. The seat doesn't impart any help as only your weight is used in pedaling (against gravity). If you were belted into the seat, then sure, the seat would provide you some degree of a fixed point from which your muscles could "push" off. But if just seated, that doesn't happen/isn't possible. Can you explain what you're talking about, I really don't understand. Thanks. Good video.
Thanks for the comment, and given the title of your user name, I'm scared to argue the physics with you 😁. Let me attempt it in a real-world situation before venturing into science. Downhill mountain bikes, and some cross-country ones, have large shock-absorbers for the rear triangle, incorporating the seat. They come with lock-out mechanisms, usually operated from the handlebar, to kill the 'bounce' when riding uphill because it's an energy drag. You get similar non-bar operated lock-outs on some front shocks too. That's what I was feeling here, although it's less pronounced when I firmed up the spring in the seatpost.
OK, I'll dare to attempt the physics, but be nice to me because I'm out of my depth on science. If we accept conservation of energy, then something is making that saddle bounce up and down. If it was just gravity, then it wouldn't go up again, it would stay down. That something, to my mind, can only be the energy coming from the cyclist. I suspect - and here I'm going way out on a limb - the energy used in the down stroke of the pedal doesn't travel entirely into the drive chain but also 'unweights' the cyclists body. (Borrowing a skiing term there)
At the bottom of the stroke, unless he/she's a pro and can pedal in smooth circles, the weight comes back onto the saddle. With a shock absorber, the saddle then sags, until the next power stroke 'unweights' the cyclist again and it rises. This weighting and unweighting creates the bounce and wastes energy.
I stand to be corrected on the physics of this, but if you ride a full sus MTB uphill you'll find the effect is real.
Why don't they put a lockout system on the suspension seatpost like MTB forks have?
Weight, expense and it’s meant to run all the time just taking out the trail buzz is the answer I was given by Redshift.
Very articulate... Just was looking for redshift reviews.... How about the PNW dropper suspension seat post for gravel Bikes? Thanks again!
I'm sure it would work well, but personally I don't like the look of that extra cable.
Hi, great presentation. Thank you.
Does the bike feel like an elastic when using the seat suspension?
Glad you like it, thanks. Elastic would be overstating it, and the bounce can be dialled up or down for the conditions. It was a bit soft at first and floated over the rough stuff but that would be too bouncy on tarmac. Because of this damn virus I’m not riding where I want to test the seat post - on a long rough ride where I think it would ease some of the fatigue. Rough tracks are out due to their inherent risk which I’m trying to avoid. So I’ve ridden it a lot on easy tracks and tarmac where it’s fine, not elastic at all, but not really needed either.
That’s about as helpful as I can be until I can get out for a full day blast off road.
@@alwaysanotheradventure Looking forward to hearing more about this. I'm tempted to purchase.
@@DavidWard14 Hi David - because of the covid19 restrictions I'm staying off the long rougher trails where I'd hoped to test the seatpost, but the stem is a winner. Not sure about what deals you can get where you are - you'd need to speak to Redshift who are fast to reply (or at least were before the world fell apart!)
@@alwaysanotheradventure Yes I'm definitely getting the stem for my gravel bike. I have spoken to Erik from Redshift at length the last week, over email. No need to contact them for a deal, it's right on their site; buy the stem + seatpost combo and there's a little discount to be had (US$30).
The more I'm thinking about it, there must be a Crr efficiency to be gained on rough terrain. Much like a soft tyre at the right pressure can deform over terrain, this seatpost would allow the bike to only need to lift the weight of the bike to get over bumps rather than bike + rider, which would be like 10x heavier. Would the lack of pedaling efficiency on tarmac (pedal bob) offset that by much assuming a 50:50 tarmac: off-road ride? We need a controlled test 😀
Looks pretty convincing to me 👍🏻
Convinced me.
@@alwaysanotheradventure the only problem I could only source the one product and it retails for £279 It’s crying out for the Chinese to start doing clones at a far cheaper price 😐
Yeah but I’m not sure I’d trust a key component to a knock off.
@@alwaysanotheradventure I wouldn’t mind betting it’s already made in China as they are more than capable of producing high quality, I suspect the mark up is from the distributor and stockists.
The suspension seatpost does not reduce power delivered to the pedals because slamming your behind into your seat does not make you ride faster or harder.
Hi Mark - I'm not entirely clear what you mean. My point is that some of the energy I'm putting into the pedals is inadvertently going into moving the saddle up and down. That's why MTB front suspension often has lock outs, as does the rear shock on full suspension cross country bikes. However you're right, it's not much on a rough road, although it's more noticeable on tarmac and on a steeper climb, something I've discussed this with the team at Redshift. I go into it a little more in the long term review here ruclips.net/video/z6l7eyBDLGA/видео.html Thanks for taking the time to write.
@@alwaysanotheradventure
It's just physics really. You cannot compare pedal bob to suspension seatpost bob. Pedal bob is the result of the rear suspension compressing due to forces exerted on the pedals. Had your seatpost been rigid, any force you apply to it with your butt does not contribute to the forward motion of your bike. In fact, it only proves that sitting on your seat reduces the force you can exert on your pedals. You can even argue that a compressing seatpost adds more force to the pedals compared to a rigid post because instead of being totally blocking your torso's downward motion, you're still allowed some movement.
Think of it this way. When you're standing on your pedals, your torso naturally goes up and down. A properly adjusted seat height allows you great efficiency in seated pedaling but your body still wants to push lower like it was standing. When you fully extend the front of your foot on your downstroke in a seated position, you can essentially hover over your seat and make a full stride without compressing the suspension seatpost or banging on the seat on a rigid seatpost.
It's all about pedaling technique. The undulation of the seatpost is simply due to your entire body's natural motion.
If you still feel strongly about your theory, please try to talk to a physicist or mechanical engineer about this. If no seat delivers more power to the pedals, and with seat delivers less, a compliant seat delivers somewhere in between. The only problem is if you raise your suspension seatpost higher than a rigid one. That would mean you've created a constant resisting force to your pedaling. That's on you, not the device. You should have just pre-loaded the spring instead.
@@markvincentcocjin Thanks for that clarification
Are there any contraindication to using this with carbon handlebar?
I don't know - I'd ask Redshift Sports because they're very approachable. I find the stem is great with my Alu bars but I don't need it on the bike with the carbon bars.
Great review. I’m considering the seatpost to soften up the rear of a hardtail mountain bike - any thoughts on that as a use case? I’m more of a roadie but use my MTB for easy trails etc (i.e. similar to the stuff you’re tackling on a gravel bike).
thanks - as long as you don't expect it to turn a hard tail into a full sus bike, then it should be fine. It might be worth checking the more recent video too - ruclips.net/video/z6l7eyBDLGA/видео.html
Does stem work on a commuter/city bike to ride on bumpy streets? i have a flat bar with a rigid alloy fork, so i can feel the bumps hard
I don’t see why it wouldn’t, although it’s best for vibration rather than hitting massive potholes. It’s defo more shock stop than suspension. Mind, the latter would be a bit dangerous on steering! Check with Redshift if you’re in doubt - they’re pretty good at replies.
Hi Simon, just wondering if you had tried a Rockshox Rudy suspension fork as an alternative to the Redshift stem?
I haven’t Hugh. I know there are suspension forks coming into gravel but I feel (for me at least) if I need that I’m on the wrong bike.
The Redshift stuff, despite its name, is not really suspension as we know it on bikes.
The stem and the pro versions of the saddle are probably more accurately described as vibration dampers. They take out the trail buzz and ease the bashing on your body.
Interestingly I don’t need either on my Vielo which has a carbon frame designed to flex, plus seatpost and bars. Oh and fairly fat-ish tyres.
@@alwaysanotheradventure I am continually swithering between a hardtail 29er and a gravel bike. Seems to me that a slack gravel bike (like the new Camino or the Silex) with a short travel suspension fork would give me something that works well in both modes. But it is a lot of money to gamble!
A pal has the RS stem with a carbon frame and 650b tyres but there are times I am faster than him downhill on my old 26er because of the suspension.
Too many choices!
Great video!
Thanks!
why not go with mtb though?
If that’s what you have then fine.
Hey I'm a big guy, 6'3" and I'm just shy of 300 lbs, I'm wondering if the seatpost would work for me? I've had a couple low back surgeries so I figure it would be good to avoid the constant impact
Hi Jamesey. Well it would work, and it certainly cuts impact, but I'm hesitant to say a definite "yes" that this is for you. It might be worth contacting Redshift Sports, who seem very approachable, and giving them some details about your height/weight etc so they can tell you exactly how it should perform. They'll know if other folk who've had back issues have been helped.
Jamesey, consider something more heavy-duty. I ride with Cane Creek Thudbuster panto on my XC MTB which has similar weight penalty as redshift but more travel. I never committed the budget, but a full suspension bike might also be a good option - the more of a frame is amortised, the better and the bikes have been getting lighter and you get a proper shock absorber, with adjustable compression and damping, not just a piece of rubber...
Why don't they just make them things with a locking mechanism for smooth tarmac??
I know what you mean Don. I'm pretty sure they'd argue a lockout isn't needed if you use them on terrain for which they're designed. I tried to go into this more in the follow-up video ruclips.net/video/z6l7eyBDLGA/видео.html
For the stem do you recommend ordering the same length stem as you are currently running? Does the suspension or stack height (right term?) make a difference to the size you choose?
Good vid thanks! 👍🏻
Honestly, I don't know. We're straying into the realms of bike fitting here and I know when to politely decline due to lack of expertise. I kept the same stem length, and you could always check with Redshift - the team there are very approachable.
Hi there. can you tell me what type of glasses you are wearing? They look quite nice.
Hi Fraser - I've been asked this so often I've made a video about them, and will get it edited and released very soon. For now though they're by Sunwise and the model is Austin. I don't know the current price because they're only available through opticians and the cost will depend on the prescription of the lens.
The glasses video will be live tomorrow (Saturday)
You must make videos with GCN :) I dont know why you have very small amount subcribers :O
I’d be obliged if you’d tell GCN that! Thanks Jani. I hope the numbers will grow.
Awesome .. great info... information is power and a happy butt = a win win ..lol
Hi Colin - still not certain about the seat post. I'm not riding the long rough trails it needs for a good test until our lockdown is done,
What are your final thoughts on the seat shocks after a year?
Still pretty much this: ruclips.net/video/z6l7eyBDLGA/видео.html I don't use it on longer rides where I want a lighter bike, and it won't be going on my more compliant carbon gravel bike. But there is a place for it Cha.
@@alwaysanotheradventure Thanks, the video in the link was great. I'm thinking of purchasing one for my hardtail DIY ebike which is already heavy. Just looking for a little comfort on my 25 mile jaunts. Thanks again for a great set of videos.
It's a shock absorber
You're right!
I say this in jest, but at the beginning when you say, "I don't see the point." You obviously haven't had back surgery and hit a bump riding your bike.
You're right Alec - I should have said "I don't see the point for me". A friend who has had spinal issues contacted me about this on FB too and put me right. Of course, this seatpost needs to be useful to more riders than just those with back issues, and I'm starting to think it is.
Hey Simon, got an email from Redshift for 25% off items, you still impressed with stem and post?
Stem is brilliant. Pro marginally lighter. The new pro seatpost beats the old one and fits ME at 75kg (it’s not adjustable but excellent). I think new models for different weight could appear soon. Working on review of the pro seatpost but it has been used by some top racers to great effect.
@@alwaysanotheradventure thanks, think I’ll go for the stem as I have the funds in the Piggy Bank!!
Bought the stem and fitted it, went for a tarmac and fire road ride out to Gairletter and Ardentinny. First verdict……bloody brilliant, just takes the edge off the more rougher bits 👍🏽
@@ACTIVEPAIR I’m pleased. I’m cautious when I review stuff and this product really stands out. I’m delighted you feel the same.
Complains about weight
Proceeds riding with mudguards?
Haha only observing. Thanks for the review
😁 OK Good point Andy, but they serve different purposes and I didn't use them on the long term test
Any product supplied Gratis would be biased, its only natural.
I'm sorry you feel that way.
The correct word is DAMPENING.
No. I think it’s either wikidiff.com/dampening/damping
now i need to clean the floor from my saliva
Wait until you see the long term test - it'll be live next Wednesday.