For over 14 years I am driving a Forester 2.5 XT from 2007 and still enjoy each moment in it. I work in forestry and have to travel quite some distances between the forest sites I I need to visit. The 248 HP turbo is very fast and very comfortable. Once in the fields it also performs really good, in snow, in deep mud, on steep mountain pathes, I did not experience any condition the Forester did not help me out without a problem. On the highway it has no problem to accelerate very quickly between 60 and 100 MPH and 0-60 is done under 8 sec. When I see your video I think the new Forester performance still is a shadow of my 17 years old Forester, which is the main reason for me still to drive this oldie. And mind you, I record my fuel consumption for over a decade and this turbo normally uses 26 MPG, when I am in a hurry it drops to 23,5 MPG. So considering its performance not something to feel ashamed about. I really do hope Subaru will improve the Forester performance towards what it once was.
@emerald1587 performance is average for its class. You have the 2.5T mazda's that will have the performance that you are looking for, but unfortunately they sell very little which gives the rest of the manufacturers in this segment zero incentive to compete. It's just a sign of the times.
@@steve8803 Depends on what you like. I prefer the boxer engine both on road and in the field, the extra ground clearance gets me through the deepest muddy trails. I love that in all these years regardless of weather conditions I have never had a problem with getting stuck during field visits, for example during a timber harvest or for inventories.
@@steve8803 I cannot compare this with a Mazda, but what I like is how it always delivers the power and the torc I am asking. I also am very pleased with the roadholding of the car, where the boxer also plays its part. But I do not claim this is the best car in the world, it's the best car for me for over a decade already. If you prefer your Mazda, good to see you have your best car as well.
5:47 so glad a reviewer finally spent the 3 seconds it takes to show the improved overhead trunk lighting. The dinky dim side lights in the last generations of Subaru were so incredibly poor when out on campgrounds and especially when being covered by various cargo.
I have a video on my channel showing how to install a $10 led strip, and I have so far done both my Forester and my wife's Outback, and my sisters Town and Country. Illuminates the trunk AND like 40ft behind the vehicle. 👍
@@OutsideTheTargetDemographic I did this on my '13 Crosstrek (Hella Marine LED), but have yet to find a suitable option for my '23 Forester. What did you use on yours??
With each video I watch on the Forester I'm falling in love. Not with you sir, but the vehicle. I know it's just a crossover, but for me it would be ideal to own. Everything from tech to mechanical, it impresses. I've said this before, but it seems like Subaru thinks of everything that is most important to consumers without forcing you to pay-up for option tiers. Well done Subaru and thank you. I've not decided yet on which model, but without any question in my mind I will be the proud owner of a Subaru one day. Now, off to watch more reviews!
Have watched you for awhile. Always enjoy your thorough and straightforward reviews. They feel professional with some added humor and fun. I watch a lot of reviews and definitely think your channel is top notch. Thanks again. Be well.
Excellent review, we just ordered a 25 touring for my wife, we will be selling or trading in her 2011 outback 3.6 r with 180,000 miles which has been a great car with some quirks- she always wanted a forester
Ryan is convincing me to get a Subaru at this point lol and I am not a fan of their boring approach. This bad boy is way better than I expected and standard Adaptive Cruise control is the best!
Had the delima recently of choosing between the 24 and waiting for the 25 Forester, but loved the older setup with buttons and dials so that was my decider. The 25 does remind me of a Ford Explorer from like 2015, would love to see a more aggressive or angular design but oh well. Great video as always!
Totally agree with you. Looks like dated Ford or combo of dated Ford and Toyota. Very odd move. I still wonder who makes the final decisions with styling.
I remember when Subaru Forester was the simple rough n tumble option that was always well below average new car price. Two trims, two transmissions, very limited "luxury". I don't think I'm the only one in the PNW who misses those days
I'll keep my 20222 Wilderness. I love the perfect mix of screen, buttons, dials and switches in mine. Recently got an outback loaner and HATED having everything buried in the screen and menus.
My problem with the Big display is they hide the Front Collision Mitigation under many button hits. FCM is so sensitive in my Ascent it almost causes accidents when I need to scoot between traffic
I just got me a Crosstrek Wilderness this weekend, mostly thanks to all your great videos. Would have gone with Forrester but I didn't want the old outgoing model. So when my lease is up in 3 years I'll probably go for a Forrester wilderness with this new version.
@@fuglong I get bored of whatever I drive after 3 - 4 years and would end up trading in my financed car early, which means I lose money if I don't get a good trade in value. Since I always have a car payment, it's cheaper to lease and I have the added benefit of my car always being under warranty because a lease is up in 3 years, and I don't drive nearly enough to go over the mile limit. Cars are also depreciating assets, unlike a house :)
I regularly drive Seattle to Billings. That car would let me make the trip with only one stop for gas. Awesome. Can’t wait for the hybrid for better city mpgs. I also take it to the PCT near Seattle, and to camping sites northeast of Missoula. Seems like it still does Forester things really well. I am really looking forward to (likely) getting it.
I like a lot about this vehicle and I will in all likelihood be buying one as soon as they release the hybrid version. Excellent first look 👀 video, thank you very much.
18 Forester 6MT, we just put the wife in a 2020 Outback. The physical knobs and dials are hands down faster, easier, less distracting, and more intuitive. Oh, and repair costs will be in the double-digits of dollars, vs four digits for that expensive, slow, low res iPad in the Outback.
I have a 2024 Crosstrek with wireless charging. Same issue. Although Subaru states the charger will automatically centre on the phone if it moves on the pad, this does not happen. I got fed up and plug it in to charge.
Being an 2022 OBW owner and also owning a 2020 civic hatchback, I've noticed that the lane keep assist system (LKAS) in the outback acts like it wants me to keep my hands on the wheel but when I do it gets angry if I don't let it do what it wants to the point that the steering wheel will start to jerk (dangerously in my opinion) until I turn off LKAS. I have let go when it does this when no other cars are near and it will throw me into either adjacent lane when it jerks. My Honda gives the more assisted driving experience.
Loved this review, so thank you for putting it together. I remember my 2004 Forester was a tank in the snow when I lived in Littleton, CO but was way underpowered and had some other shortcomings. Now, I want to replace my gas hog 4runner next year and looking at the Forester Hybrid or Crosstrek Hybrid. I really wish they made a plug-un hybrid or EREV model would be awesome. Consumer Reports just named Subaru the most reliable automaker, surpassing Toyota / Lexus and I believe it with their simplicity and excellent build quality.
@@Doc1855i was one of those folks in 2017. Haven't sold it because I love it that much. Manual would've been cool but I'm sure sales would’ve tanked even more on it
@@Doc1855 I bought one - great car, but had a cvt issue. I ended up trading it in for a new 2017 Forester with a manual transmission - still going strong. I will be keeping the manual for a long long time - my backup/utility vehicle.
Nice to see, I had no idea it was already on show! I have the former generation with a under-dimensioned hybrid engine, here in Sweden, and it is smooth and tooth-less, but also very senstive to side-wind in high speeds. I would love to hear if u did any such observation on this newer version now?
Hey Ryan, the Forester Wilderness 2025 will have a small screen with more physical buttons. So that's good for those who don't like the big portrait screen.
The take rate for the old Forester Turbo was not high. The issue with the old Turbo was it used Premium fuel. Put the 2.4 liter turbo from the Outback in it (using regular fuel) and it will sell. Do you think Subaru will ever put the Outback Turbo in the Forester?
I have a 2018 FXT Touring and I LOVE it! When it's time for my next Subie, it'll have to be turbo'd or hybrid as I can't imagine losing 100hp in the transition.
It's not fast, it's not economical. It is safe, earning an IIHS Top pick+ award. If you value the safety of yourself and your family it's a good choice. It's comfortable on long journeys. It's capable on and off road, its not a rock crawler, With the right tires it's good on ice, snow, mud.
I'd really like to purchase a new Forester, but the lack of horsepower just won't let me do it. I commute 1.5 hours for work 3 days a week and need the additional passing hp of other vehicles. I with they'd bring back the XT turbo.
Great review! I have and love the Crosstrek Wilderness, but the lagginess of the screen's response has been an annoyance most reviewers point out. Is the Forester any better? Another issue, and I'm thinking the Forester has the same problem, is that most normal-sized phones will slide around on the wireless charging pad during normal driving--so no charging takes place. I gave up on using that feature.
I own 2020 e-boxer. In four years this gen seems like a good replacement. It has what I want and not much I don’t want. It also still offers good visibility and square trunk. I hope there will be trail hybrid with all the features inside 😂
I’ve had several Foresters and am waiting delivery on a White 2025 Sport. My others were all the Touring model but they put suede on the seats for 2025 which I didn’t like since I have dogs. I never had a problem with leather but I didn’t think the suede would hold up with dogs dirty feet and panting. I’m very disappointed that they no longer make it with a turbo in the US. I loved the turbos I had and really miss the power with that option. As you have shown, without the turbo, it has poor acceleration. Because of that I almost didn’t go with a Subaru this time around but decided to give it another try due to the remodel.
Excellent information. Have not seen a review yet that mentions the benefit of Subaru dropping the thermo control valve for the 2025 model. It was quite an issue with the previous version of engines that had it.
Subaru needs to make front parking sensors Standard on all model and trim grades there is no excuse for not having it in 2024/25 they are way behind on that. The engine needs major upgrades and is not up to the market level, make the FA24F 2.4L turbo engine standard.
Seems a shame to have just the 2.5 boxer because it did look like fun to drive fast on gravel. At least give us a lock out option for the front wheels so that you could flat track it thru curves. What would keep them from boring it out to 3 liters?
Maybe a hot take, but I preferred when the entire console wasn't a screen. I had a small GMC SUV and the screen was no bigger than 5 inches. Most of the controls were still manual and physical. There CAN be a perfect ration of digital and buttons. I wish the screen on this wasn't so prevalent and significant to the driving experience, but at least the speed and engine gauges are physical. Always preferred that. I also miss the much more significant visibility. drove a 2015 Forester for three years and really had a great driving experience.
I just bought a 25 Premium and I don’t have the driver attention monitor. Kinda glad I don’t have it. I drive up a mountain for work daily…the power is PLENTIFUL in this vehicle. Maybe it’s the elevation or something but the power really isn’t an issue.
Please, please add a turbo option. It would not only solve the problem of speed, but higher altitude loss of power. It’d just be nice to have that extra oomph when you need it. Please Subaru.
Then I’m not buying another Subaru lol I want more power, regardless of turbo or hybrid. The current engine and CVT are not suited for California freeway on-ramps, you cannot get up to speed when merging, very dangerous sometimes
The factory that makes Forester already makes 1.8T version for Japanese market. So just push your local dealership to bring it to North America. The engine is not as fast as the old 2.0T, but it offers much more torque so definitely better acceleration then 2.5NA.
As always… well done and entertaining to watch. Riddle me this… whyyyy have they not turbo’d the forester wilderness?!? And any rumors of an ascent wilderness in the future?
@@drivingsports makes sense. I’m less concerned about passing power and more with towing. Will keep an eye for the ascent wilderness and hybrid forester. Not sure why, I just like the forester more than the outback. Although overall interior is smaller, it feels more roomy.
@@theadambraggI would not buy any Subaru for towing, or any CVT vehicle for that matter. If you need a crossover for towing, get an explorer or used highlander with a v6. Maybe even a maverick
@@dawsongranger4940 I’m really digging the pilot trailsport. I would only tow up around 3k lbs so with a 5k lb capacity should be fine with that v6 on the pilot ?
I 100% bought a 24 Sport because of this channel. I feel I made the right decision for me, but I do hope the Foresters maintain what they've always focused on because there's a lot of us that will want another one in 15 years. This is a fantastic channel.
if you push the little camera icon on the screen when you are reversing, it will switch through different camera modes, especially if you just want the backup camera without the split screen sensors next to it.
What kind of tires do people put on the Forester or the Outback if they're wanting a little more capability and puncture resistance while still having decent ride quality?
12:50-13:15 are you saying that the 'interior camera' part of Eyesight is standard on all trims now? I was not a fan of that system when I found out my friend's '23 outback touring had it. If it's in all new Subarus now I am going to keep my '17 Forester until it dies. Not a fan of 360 cameras either, more tech to raise the cost of repair especially with minor accidents. It's a shame about the iPad style 'infotainment' trend, huge downgrade from physical buttons and knobs of the 4th gen. The 4th gen screen is terrible even by mid 2010s standards but at least the HVAC can be used with gloves. Subaru needs to take a look at what 4Runner is doing with their interior - physical controls for everything but the radio/navigation and system interface. In almost every other way the 5th and 6th gens are huge improvements over the 4th gen Forester but I just can't get over the glaring user interface issues I mentioned.
@@drivingsports That's good then. I hope they don't lock too many of the features behind Touring trim. Pretty much just want the ventilated leather seats and sound system in a base model!
I’ve heard that the hybrid components will be borrowed from Toyota. Do you think Subaru would use an e-AWD setup with an electric motor powering the rear wheels, or will they stick with their Symmetrical AWD system in the new hybrid?
In regards to the power output… I have a ‘22 Crosstrek Limited that I’ve had for a little over 2 years, which has the older 2.5, but let’s be honest, the new one isn’t that much different. Anyway, I’ve found that it accelerates much better at 1/2 to 3/4 throttle, especially at highway speeds, than it does at full throttle. Full throttle seems to overwhelm the drivetrain and bog it down more than just giving it a few less beans. Just an observation as kind of a work around for the lack of power. Other than that I love my CT. And if you’re looking for speed and quickness in a vehicle, these aren’t really the ones to be looking at anyway, but it just does so many other things well.
Wow. This is WAY earlier than I was expecting to get a vid like this. I enjoy it. Any chance you will get a Tacoma Hybrid soon? Looking forward to your review of that.
About the AWD, both front & rear Differentials are open Diffs so does the power going to either get help from the brakes to get it to each side to help with traction????
Great review! Though I'm laughing at how everyone bashes the speed /accel, and yet when I tried a 24 model this week I had a blast and found it extremely peppy! (Likely because I'm not a speeder, and used to a 2001 VW new beetle) I'm still deciding between the CRV, RAV4, and forester, but the new 25s are adding another dimension I'll have to consider 😂
We own a 2021 Outback with the natural aspirated engine, and it's okay. My wife didn't want the turbo because she wanted the better gas mileage. It's slow. I'm looking at a next car, and as much as I do like the looks of this, I can't get over not having a more powerful engine option. Subaru not having the turbo option is such so unfortunate. I am also curious when there will be a Wilderness, and what all that would include. One of the things that bugs me is you can only get cooling in the Touring. I love the look of the wilderness, especially in the blue color they have in that trim, and that's a feature I wish you could get.
You talked a lot about how you like the seats and think the seats are an improvement which is good to see. I know its been years since you've probably tested an SJ Forester, but how would you say they compare? How would you individually rate SJ seats to everything else you have reviewed? Personally on drives over 45 minutes i get sore and uncomfortable in my 2016 touring that i bought last year. And the lumar support feels like too much even with it fully moved back. Trying to figure out if this is a universal experience or if i just need to adjust my seat more.
The previous model's were just ok. Drove a family member's Crosstrek and it was much more comfortable for long drives. So this change is a big step up.
One other thing about the AWD, I’ve heard it only sends 10% to the rear wheels at all times until the computer control for the AWD detects wheel spin?? That helps with Fuel economy they say and the reaction time is much faster to send power to whatever wheel needs the power?
Great review as always. The one thing I would point out is to use SI DRIVE when passing. You noted it when testing 0-60, but an application for SI DRIVE is for passing. Anything helps right. Thank you
Ryan - the ten seconds you take on cars like this to see if you fit in the back is very important to me as I look for my “campable” vehicle! As for handling, I look forward to trying the improved system out. When one experiences the previous Forester with Subaru’s mild acceleration, I have always found them to be Russian tank simulators. However, for all the extra capability one gets, this is worth keeping in my short list.
I do have a forester 2012 model , diesel version with 150 HP. Do you mean that this new Subaru forester version with petrol is slower to overcome an other car versus the old diesel version? thanks
Last week, I bought a 2024 Crosstrek Limited with a 2.5-engine and yes it's slow but it's my wife's car. I drive my AMG C63S without her in the car for real speed.
I have a funny feeling the Wilderness version will be a Hybrid due to the fuel economy the current Wilderness have and like you said of the hybrid torque it might come out torquier, who knows what will happen. Awesome video as always👌🏽👍🏽👍🏽💯
I hope they improve the latest hybrid, we've had hybrid (2 litre boxer) Foresters in the UK for years and they're slower than your 2.5 ! I have a 2024 hybrid, it's not quick but it's still a great car. I'm hoping they bring out a plug in hybrid over here when we eventually see the new model.
Maybe I’m not as familiar with this segment of vehicle as I am with others but for 41k, I feel like you get a ton of features in this Forester, do other vehicles in this segment offer more?? Seems like a solid vehicle for the price, atleast at the highest trim
I'd agree with that speaking from our's and multiple friend's cars that we've spent a lot of time in ('17 XT Touring, '18 Touring, '23 Wilderness). I always saw a HUGE difference from base to top package. The base felt overpriced to me with a very minimal interior (paying for that AWD & eyesight) and in that budget you'd get more bells and whistles elsewhere, but the top trims always felt like they had amazing features for the price and are hard to beat in my opinion.
Getting tired of "new" Subaru models that are just basically minor upgrades. I don't know why they stubbornly refuse to upgrade the powertrain. They desperately need the hybrid, and some sort of turbo for the Forrester and Crosstrek with 200+HP. to fit in between the2.5L and the 2.4L outback turbo. Subaru used to have this segment pretty much to themselves, but competition is very stiff now, and they need to up their game. I am a Subaru fan, but not sure I would buy another, with all the competition they have now. They still have probably the best AWD system outside of full off road vehicles, but that is their only clear advantage they have left over the competition. Edit: BTW, where is the "Snow" part of the review? This was more of a "first drive" than a review. Dont mean to sound like a complainer though; I love your channel. It is my favorite YT review site by far.
I like the tech and glad it finally got a 360 camera. Ryan, did they improve the backup camera resolution quality? I couldn’t tell from the video. I think this car would look much better in the wilderness version. Also one can only hope they release an XT version of this with the turbo…
The backup camera view is big on the new screen, once you touch the view button on the screen it changes the view. He just didn’t know that about the vehicle since his not a salesperson for Subaru.
Great job Ryan. Would have liked to see more about 0-60 times because we live at 5,100 feet. Have a 2016 turbo XT now that does fine at elevations up to 8,000 feet.
So, the 235/50R/18 wheel/AS tire combination is probably competent in snow and on light trails? Considering the 50 sidewall height, would a light all-terrain be necessary?
Hi Ryan- when monitoring my 2016 CX-5 with an OBD2 scanner I see a constant 10-20% of torque sent to rear wheels according to the 4x4 rear torque coupling PID. Would you consider that part-time or full time AWD? I know they’ve changed over the years.
Off the top of my head I recall the current Mazda systems disconnect the driveshaft when cruising. (Someone correct me if wrong.) I don’t remember specifics on the 2016 model year.
Mazda AWD is I-Active AWD. It’s a Front-wheel Slip AWD. So it’s still a front wheel drive vehicle with parts added to make it AWD when needed. So it’s a part time AWD.
I can't wait to see it live tomorrow! It is true that in Europe it has a 2.0 engine, not a 2.5 l... I can always import a 4.0 Toyota 4Runner or Tacoma. JUST NOT THIS NEW 4CYLI DR WITH TURBO!!!
For over 14 years I am driving a Forester 2.5 XT from 2007 and still enjoy each moment in it. I work in forestry and have to travel quite some distances between the forest sites I I need to visit. The 248 HP turbo is very fast and very comfortable. Once in the fields it also performs really good, in snow, in deep mud, on steep mountain pathes, I did not experience any condition the Forester did not help me out without a problem. On the highway it has no problem to accelerate very quickly between 60 and 100 MPH and 0-60 is done under 8 sec. When I see your video I think the new Forester performance still is a shadow of my 17 years old Forester, which is the main reason for me still to drive this oldie. And mind you, I record my fuel consumption for over a decade and this turbo normally uses 26 MPG, when I am in a hurry it drops to 23,5 MPG. So considering its performance not something to feel ashamed about. I really do hope Subaru will improve the Forester performance towards what it once was.
@emerald1587 performance is average for its class. You have the 2.5T mazda's that will have the performance that you are looking for, but unfortunately they sell very little which gives the rest of the manufacturers in this segment zero incentive to compete. It's just a sign of the times.
@@steve8803 Depends on what you like. I prefer the boxer engine both on road and in the field, the extra ground clearance gets me through the deepest muddy trails. I love that in all these years regardless of weather conditions I have never had a problem with getting stuck during field visits, for example during a timber harvest or for inventories.
@@emerald1587 How is the boxer engine better in the field or on the road compared to the Mazda? And I ask this as someone who owns a 2.4T WRX.
@@steve8803 I cannot compare this with a Mazda, but what I like is how it always delivers the power and the torc I am asking. I also am very pleased with the roadholding of the car, where the boxer also plays its part. But I do not claim this is the best car in the world, it's the best car for me for over a decade already. If you prefer your Mazda, good to see you have your best car as well.
@@emerald1587 I don't prefer Mazda. I just said I have a WRX with the 2.4t. If you want a compact SUV with the 2.4t, Outback still offers it.
5:47 so glad a reviewer finally spent the 3 seconds it takes to show the improved overhead trunk lighting. The dinky dim side lights in the last generations of Subaru were so incredibly poor when out on campgrounds and especially when being covered by various cargo.
These are very easy upgrades that cost almost nothing
I have a video on my channel showing how to install a $10 led strip, and I have so far done both my Forester and my wife's Outback, and my sisters Town and Country. Illuminates the trunk AND like 40ft behind the vehicle. 👍
@@OutsideTheTargetDemographic I did this on my '13 Crosstrek (Hella Marine LED), but have yet to find a suitable option for my '23 Forester. What did you use on yours??
With each video I watch on the Forester I'm falling in love. Not with you sir, but the vehicle. I know it's just a crossover, but for me it would be ideal to own. Everything from tech to mechanical, it impresses. I've said this before, but it seems like Subaru thinks of everything that is most important to consumers without forcing you to pay-up for option tiers. Well done Subaru and thank you. I've not decided yet on which model, but without any question in my mind I will be the proud owner of a Subaru one day. Now, off to watch more reviews!
Thanks Ryan! Definitely the best review to drop today.
Have watched you for awhile. Always enjoy your thorough and straightforward reviews. They feel professional with some added humor and fun. I watch a lot of reviews and definitely think your channel is top notch. Thanks again. Be well.
The best 2025 Forester first look on YT
Excellent review, we just ordered a 25 touring for my wife, we will be selling or trading in her 2011 outback 3.6 r with 180,000 miles which has been a great car with some quirks- she always wanted a forester
Yay the only place i watch for new Subaru review... Last Forester snow test 6 years ago convinced us to get a Forester!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Same here!
His reviews convinced me to buy a Subaru as well!
Ryan is convincing me to get a Subaru at this point lol and I am not a fan of their boring approach. This bad boy is way better than I expected and standard Adaptive Cruise control is the best!
Whatttt?? Not TFL? lol. They’re great for rc cars/SUVs and their roller tests are one of a kind 😂
It’s a Ford, baby
Had the delima recently of choosing between the 24 and waiting for the 25 Forester, but loved the older setup with buttons and dials so that was my decider. The 25 does remind me of a Ford Explorer from like 2015, would love to see a more aggressive or angular design but oh well.
Great video as always!
Me too but I chose to wait for 2025 few more weeks.
Totally agree with you. Looks like dated Ford or combo of dated Ford and Toyota. Very odd move. I still wonder who makes the final decisions with styling.
The surround view camera and ventilated seats bring this to the future!
Subaru Explorester
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Ford has the Mustangmaro
Who cares if it looks like the ford front end.......these Foresters run forever and have the best AWD system made.
I remember when Subaru Forester was the simple rough n tumble option that was always well below average new car price. Two trims, two transmissions, very limited "luxury". I don't think I'm the only one in the PNW who misses those days
Get the last gen while you still can. $3k+ less trim for trim.
I guess people want electric gadgets and luxury (heated steering wheel lol) -durability, performance, handling are an afterthought on certain models.
It's 2024, everyobe wants new techs. Still, It's one of the most rough and tumble cars left, at a very competitive price.
I'll keep my 20222 Wilderness. I love the perfect mix of screen, buttons, dials and switches in mine. Recently got an outback loaner and HATED having everything buried in the screen and menus.
20222....😳🤪
huh? they share the same screen?
What a great video. Amazing job!! Best channel out there by far.
I think this one’s a keeper and the color is gorgeous.
I love Subarus but who is styling the front ends of their cars??
Exactly! It screams "Ford" to me. Not he best look IMO.
not the best look, but then it doesn't have that gaping whale shark look like some of the Toyotas have. Those things are hideous!!
Toyota
You can always tell designs that are "done by committee"
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My problem with the Big display is they hide the Front Collision Mitigation under many button hits. FCM is so sensitive in my Ascent it almost causes accidents when I need to scoot between traffic
I just got me a Crosstrek Wilderness this weekend, mostly thanks to all your great videos. Would have gone with Forrester but I didn't want the old outgoing model. So when my lease is up in 3 years I'll probably go for a Forrester wilderness with this new version.
Why would a person lease a vehicle? I don't get it, pls explain. It's like renting a house to me, you only do it if you're forced to
@@fuglong I get bored of whatever I drive after 3 - 4 years and would end up trading in my financed car early, which means I lose money if I don't get a good trade in value. Since I always have a car payment, it's cheaper to lease and I have the added benefit of my car always being under warranty because a lease is up in 3 years, and I don't drive nearly enough to go over the mile limit. Cars are also depreciating assets, unlike a house :)
@@timkline162 ah cool, makes sense. Thanks!
I regularly drive Seattle to Billings. That car would let me make the trip with only one stop for gas. Awesome. Can’t wait for the hybrid for better city mpgs.
I also take it to the PCT near Seattle, and to camping sites northeast of Missoula. Seems like it still does Forester things really well.
I am really looking forward to (likely) getting it.
I like a lot about this vehicle and I will in all likelihood be buying one as soon as they release the hybrid version.
Excellent first look 👀 video, thank you very much.
I got the 2024, the LAST chance to get one new before that obnoxiously huge touch screen. Love the knobs, love the SMALL screen!!
I hear ya. I got a '23 Sport, and love the physical HVAC controls!
Physical hvac controls are better - sad they changed
Current owner of 2020 Sport, nothing in the new one makes me want to trade it in for this one, the $7000 price bump doesn't help either.
18 Forester 6MT, we just put the wife in a 2020 Outback. The physical knobs and dials are hands down faster, easier, less distracting, and more intuitive. Oh, and repair costs will be in the double-digits of dollars, vs four digits for that expensive, slow, low res iPad in the Outback.
Can't wait to see the wilderness model! Hoping to upgrade from my 06 outback 3.0
Another exhaustive review with off road drive at every weather conditions. Props to Subaru for symetrical all time AWD. Great review. Greetings
Think I'll hold on to my 2022 loaded Forester Limited for now.... Great review!!!
I have a 2024 Crosstrek with wireless charging. Same issue. Although Subaru states the charger will automatically centre on the phone if it moves on the pad, this does not happen. I got fed up and plug it in to charge.
Being an 2022 OBW owner and also owning a 2020 civic hatchback, I've noticed that the lane keep assist system (LKAS) in the outback acts like it wants me to keep my hands on the wheel but when I do it gets angry if I don't let it do what it wants to the point that the steering wheel will start to jerk (dangerously in my opinion) until I turn off LKAS. I have let go when it does this when no other cars are near and it will throw me into either adjacent lane when it jerks. My Honda gives the more assisted driving experience.
Loved this review, so thank you for putting it together. I remember my 2004 Forester was a tank in the snow when I lived in Littleton, CO but was way underpowered and had some other shortcomings. Now, I want to replace my gas hog 4runner next year and looking at the Forester Hybrid or Crosstrek Hybrid. I really wish they made a plug-un hybrid or EREV model would be awesome. Consumer Reports just named Subaru the most reliable automaker, surpassing Toyota / Lexus and I believe it with their simplicity and excellent build quality.
Bring back the XT!
Only 4% of people buying the Forester bought the XT. That’s why Subaru dropped it
@@Doc1855i was one of those folks in 2017. Haven't sold it because I love it that much. Manual would've been cool but I'm sure sales would’ve tanked even more on it
@@Doc1855 I bought one - great car, but had a cvt issue. I ended up trading it in for a new 2017 Forester with a manual transmission - still going strong. I will be keeping the manual for a long long time - my backup/utility vehicle.
@@korling99 I’m happy for you
@@LAAO369 I’m happy for you
Nice to see, I had no idea it was already on show! I have the former generation with a under-dimensioned hybrid engine, here in Sweden, and it is smooth and tooth-less, but also very senstive to side-wind in high speeds. I would love to hear if u did any such observation on this newer version now?
Thanks Ryan. You do a great job. I really enjoy the videos.
Hey Ryan, the Forester Wilderness 2025 will have a small screen with more physical buttons. So that's good for those who don't like the big portrait screen.
How do you know this? Whats your source?
@@GooseWurkzThe Wilderness is still on the SK platform for 2025.
Definitely not true, as the Crosstrek Wilderness has the big screen like the other newer Subarus.
@SimulatorsStudio 25 Forester Wilderness will be carry over of current Gen. W/ no change
The older styling was better for me. Looks to be an improvement in all areas. Lack of power remains and issue and the reason I opted for an XT Outback
I agree the older version looks more subaru and easily distinguishable. This one is more of a ford.
@@mumbachabwe8881 I've never thought looking like a Subaru was a positive trait.
I am loving Driving Sport reviews
Gret video! You put it through its paces! I think I'll test drive on the 4th of July holiday weekend.
The take rate for the old Forester Turbo was not high. The issue with the old Turbo was it used Premium fuel. Put the 2.4 liter turbo from the Outback in it (using regular fuel) and it will sell. Do you think Subaru will ever put the Outback Turbo in the Forester?
Hybrids are likely the future.
This ⬆️
@@0HOON0 They ought to make the Hybrid as the base engine and the Turbo (from Outback ) the performance/Wilderness engine.
I have a 2018 FXT Touring and I LOVE it! When it's time for my next Subie, it'll have to be turbo'd or hybrid as I can't imagine losing 100hp in the transition.
We loose the second screen in the 25! That stinks! That screen is such an awesome feature. I have live MPG, date, and weather up there!
I love this cahnnel.❤ Especially with Subaru. 👌
I have a friend who just bought the 2025 Outback Wilderness raised an extra 1.5" by the dealer. It has almost 12" of ground clearance.
Pretty wild how much that front end looks like an ugly Ford Explorer. Will this end up being another "quirky" Subaru design?
I thought it was just me that noticed that ford look smh
Which Ford Explorer are you referring to? This does not look like one at all
I like it.
The SJ and SK generations are more attractive to my eye. But this isn't as ugly as I thought at first.
Will the older foresters like 2019-24 hold its value because of this new design?
I love your perspective. It's like none other. Nice work!
I really hope Subaru will give the Wilderness a more powerful engine. Great video.
Come on hybrid!!! I hope you talk some about the differences in driving on and off road between this and the Crosstrek.
It's not fast, it's not economical.
It is safe, earning an IIHS Top pick+ award. If you value the safety of yourself and your family it's a good choice.
It's comfortable on long journeys.
It's capable on and off road, its not a rock crawler,
With the right tires it's good on ice, snow, mud.
I'd really like to purchase a new Forester, but the lack of horsepower just won't let me do it. I commute 1.5 hours for work 3 days a week and need the additional passing hp of other vehicles. I with they'd bring back the XT turbo.
Great review! I have and love the Crosstrek Wilderness, but the lagginess of the screen's response has been an annoyance most reviewers point out. Is the Forester any better? Another issue, and I'm thinking the Forester has the same problem, is that most normal-sized phones will slide around on the wireless charging pad during normal driving--so no charging takes place. I gave up on using that feature.
Same system. Didn’t notice any difference.
I own 2020 e-boxer. In four years this gen seems like a good replacement.
It has what I want and not much I don’t want. It also still offers good visibility and square trunk.
I hope there will be trail hybrid with all the features inside 😂
Thanks for this review, I will buy it in 2029 when it gets cheaper for no reason. Gotta love how car prices work.
I’ve had several Foresters and am waiting delivery on a White 2025 Sport. My others were all the Touring model but they put suede on the seats for 2025 which I didn’t like since I have dogs. I never had a problem with leather but I didn’t think the suede would hold up with dogs dirty feet and panting. I’m very disappointed that they no longer make it with a turbo in the US. I loved the turbos I had and really miss the power with that option. As you have shown, without the turbo, it has poor acceleration. Because of that I almost didn’t go with a Subaru this time around but decided to give it another try due to the remodel.
Excellent information. Have not seen a review yet that mentions the benefit of Subaru dropping the thermo control valve for the 2025 model. It was quite an issue with the previous version of engines that had it.
Great car
Subaru needs to make front parking sensors Standard on all model and trim grades there is no excuse for not having it in 2024/25 they are way behind on that. The engine needs major upgrades and is not up to the market level, make the FA24F 2.4L turbo engine standard.
Seems a shame to have just the 2.5 boxer because it did look like fun to drive fast on gravel. At least give us a lock out option for the front wheels so that you could flat track it thru curves.
What would keep them from boring it out to 3 liters?
Maybe a hot take, but I preferred when the entire console wasn't a screen. I had a small GMC SUV and the screen was no bigger than 5 inches. Most of the controls were still manual and physical. There CAN be a perfect ration of digital and buttons. I wish the screen on this wasn't so prevalent and significant to the driving experience, but at least the speed and engine gauges are physical. Always preferred that. I also miss the much more significant visibility. drove a 2015 Forester for three years and really had a great driving experience.
I just bought a 25 Premium and I don’t have the driver attention monitor. Kinda glad I don’t have it.
I drive up a mountain for work daily…the power is PLENTIFUL in this vehicle. Maybe it’s the elevation or something but the power really isn’t an issue.
My biggest complaint with 2015 Forester is the Seats. They are so uncomfortable. Nice to see they have finally addressed it.
Please, please add a turbo option. It would not only solve the problem of speed, but higher altitude loss of power. It’d just be nice to have that extra oomph when you need it. Please Subaru.
Not happening. Hybrid can fix that too.
No turbo needed. Just adds complexity and cost. People need to relax and maybe slow down a tad.
Then I’m not buying another Subaru lol I want more power, regardless of turbo or hybrid. The current engine and CVT are not suited for California freeway on-ramps, you cannot get up to speed when merging, very dangerous sometimes
The factory that makes Forester already makes 1.8T version for Japanese market.
So just push your local dealership to bring it to North America.
The engine is not as fast as the old 2.0T, but it offers much more torque so definitely better acceleration then 2.5NA.
Doesn't need a turbo, just more displacement. A car that size with a h6 would be perfect.
I’m currently watching you smile and laugh through the backroad turns now… I love that you make your job fun! Great video so far bro.
As always… well done and entertaining to watch. Riddle me this… whyyyy have they not turbo’d the forester wilderness?!? And any rumors of an ascent wilderness in the future?
I think it’s a pricing issue. More power will be from the hybrid. No word on Ascent.
@@drivingsports makes sense. I’m less concerned about passing power and more with towing. Will keep an eye for the ascent wilderness and hybrid forester. Not sure why, I just like the forester more than the outback. Although overall interior is smaller, it feels more roomy.
@@theadambraggI would not buy any Subaru for towing, or any CVT vehicle for that matter. If you need a crossover for towing, get an explorer or used highlander with a v6. Maybe even a maverick
@@dawsongranger4940 I’m really digging the pilot trailsport. I would only tow up around 3k lbs so with a 5k lb capacity should be fine with that v6 on the pilot ?
Everyone talking about the front end looking like explorers. It looks more like the new honda crv styling to me.
Nice job very informative.👏👏
I 100% bought a 24 Sport because of this channel. I feel I made the right decision for me, but I do hope the Foresters maintain what they've always focused on because there's a lot of us that will want another one in 15 years. This is a fantastic channel.
Good review! But HUD are amazing! Big safety improvement with HUD.
if you push the little camera icon on the screen when you are reversing, it will switch through different camera modes, especially if you just want the backup camera without the split screen sensors next to it.
Yes, we play with that more in our next video. (700 mile roadtrip)
Maybe I missed it, but where in Montana is this? Looks amazing. Great video as always 🙌
Outside Missoula.
@@drivingsports thanks!
What kind of tires do people put on the Forester or the Outback if they're wanting a little more capability and puncture resistance while still having decent ride quality?
Falken Wildpeak Trails or AT4Ws
12:50-13:15 are you saying that the 'interior camera' part of Eyesight is standard on all trims now? I was not a fan of that system when I found out my friend's '23 outback touring had it. If it's in all new Subarus now I am going to keep my '17 Forester until it dies. Not a fan of 360 cameras either, more tech to raise the cost of repair especially with minor accidents.
It's a shame about the iPad style 'infotainment' trend, huge downgrade from physical buttons and knobs of the 4th gen. The 4th gen screen is terrible even by mid 2010s standards but at least the HVAC can be used with gloves. Subaru needs to take a look at what 4Runner is doing with their interior - physical controls for everything but the radio/navigation and system interface.
In almost every other way the 5th and 6th gens are huge improvements over the 4th gen Forester but I just can't get over the glaring user interface issues I mentioned.
In the earlier part I specify it’s only in Touring.
@@drivingsports That's good then. I hope they don't lock too many of the features behind Touring trim. Pretty much just want the ventilated leather seats and sound system in a base model!
I’ve heard that the hybrid components will be borrowed from Toyota. Do you think Subaru would use an e-AWD setup with an electric motor powering the rear wheels, or will they stick with their Symmetrical AWD system in the new hybrid?
I think it will be similar to the Crosstrek Hybrid, with Symmetrical.
@@drivingsportsis the AWD version in the Crosstrek Hybrid the exact same as non Hybrid Crosstreks?
@@lennygarrison6836yes. They just add an electric motor into the transmission.
Ok makes sense. I think the extra power from the hybrid powertrain will be a welcomed addition
In regards to the power output… I have a ‘22 Crosstrek Limited that I’ve had for a little over 2 years, which has the older 2.5, but let’s be honest, the new one isn’t that much different. Anyway, I’ve found that it accelerates much better at 1/2 to 3/4 throttle, especially at highway speeds, than it does at full throttle. Full throttle seems to overwhelm the drivetrain and bog it down more than just giving it a few less beans. Just an observation as kind of a work around for the lack of power. Other than that I love my CT. And if you’re looking for speed and quickness in a vehicle, these aren’t really the ones to be looking at anyway, but it just does so many other things well.
I think you can cancel 360° on the rear view camera and double the rear view camera screen.
Wow. This is WAY earlier than I was expecting to get a vid like this. I enjoy it. Any chance you will get a Tacoma Hybrid soon? Looking forward to your review of that.
We’re still waiting on the Tacoma hybrid. No ETA from Toyota yet. Thanks for watching!
Very good review 👍
Good review
About the AWD, both front & rear Differentials are open Diffs so does the power going to either get help from the brakes to get it to each side to help with traction????
Great review! Though I'm laughing at how everyone bashes the speed /accel, and yet when I tried a 24 model this week I had a blast and found it extremely peppy! (Likely because I'm not a speeder, and used to a 2001 VW new beetle)
I'm still deciding between the CRV, RAV4, and forester, but the new 25s are adding another dimension I'll have to consider 😂
We own a 2021 Outback with the natural aspirated engine, and it's okay. My wife didn't want the turbo because she wanted the better gas mileage. It's slow. I'm looking at a next car, and as much as I do like the looks of this, I can't get over not having a more powerful engine option. Subaru not having the turbo option is such so unfortunate. I am also curious when there will be a Wilderness, and what all that would include. One of the things that bugs me is you can only get cooling in the Touring. I love the look of the wilderness, especially in the blue color they have in that trim, and that's a feature I wish you could get.
You talked a lot about how you like the seats and think the seats are an improvement which is good to see. I know its been years since you've probably tested an SJ Forester, but how would you say they compare? How would you individually rate SJ seats to everything else you have reviewed?
Personally on drives over 45 minutes i get sore and uncomfortable in my 2016 touring that i bought last year. And the lumar support feels like too much even with it fully moved back. Trying to figure out if this is a universal experience or if i just need to adjust my seat more.
The previous model's were just ok. Drove a family member's Crosstrek and it was much more comfortable for long drives. So this change is a big step up.
Try out the new seats. I think you’ll see they’re a big improvement.
I’m glad to hear the seats are improved. There’s nothing wrong with the current seats, but the head restraints are only good for navel gazing.
One other thing about the AWD, I’ve heard it only sends 10% to the rear wheels at all times until the computer control for the AWD detects wheel spin?? That helps with Fuel economy they say and the reaction time is much faster to send power to whatever wheel needs the power?
It’s 60/40 f/r. It will do 90/10 if the ABS, traction control, or stability control demands it.
Great review as always. The one thing I would point out is to use SI DRIVE when passing. You noted it when testing 0-60, but an application for SI DRIVE is for passing. Anything helps right. Thank you
SI-DRIVE only changes throttle mapping. At wide open throttle it makes zero difference. WOT is WOT regardless of mode selected.
Ryan - the ten seconds you take on cars like this to see if you fit in the back is very important to me as I look for my “campable” vehicle!
As for handling, I look forward to trying the improved system out. When one experiences the previous Forester with Subaru’s mild acceleration, I have always found them to be Russian tank simulators.
However, for all the extra capability one gets, this is worth keeping in my short list.
I do have a forester 2012 model , diesel version with 150 HP. Do you mean that this new Subaru forester version with petrol is slower to overcome an other car versus the old diesel version? thanks
Hope the wilderness version of this makes it to the philippines! 🇵🇭
Where are you in Montana? I moved away a few years ago, but lived there my entire life until somewhat recently.
Is the HK sound system exactly the same as previous versions or is there an improvement?
Last week, I bought a 2024 Crosstrek Limited with a 2.5-engine and yes it's slow but it's my wife's car. I drive my AMG C63S without her in the car for real speed.
What a great video! Tnx
I really like this. They got rid of a lot of the "quirky" design elements, like the overly angled hood layout.
I have a funny feeling the Wilderness version will be a Hybrid due to the fuel economy the current Wilderness have and like you said of the hybrid torque it might come out torquier, who knows what will happen. Awesome video as always👌🏽👍🏽👍🏽💯
I hope they improve the latest hybrid, we've had hybrid (2 litre boxer) Foresters in the UK for years and they're slower than your 2.5 ! I have a 2024 hybrid, it's not quick but it's still a great car. I'm hoping they bring out a plug in hybrid over here when we eventually see the new model.
Maybe I’m not as familiar with this segment of vehicle as I am with others but for 41k, I feel like you get a ton of features in this Forester, do other vehicles in this segment offer more?? Seems like a solid vehicle for the price, atleast at the highest trim
I'd agree with that speaking from our's and multiple friend's cars that we've spent a lot of time in ('17 XT Touring, '18 Touring, '23 Wilderness). I always saw a HUGE difference from base to top package. The base felt overpriced to me with a very minimal interior (paying for that AWD & eyesight) and in that budget you'd get more bells and whistles elsewhere, but the top trims always felt like they had amazing features for the price and are hard to beat in my opinion.
Getting tired of "new" Subaru models that are just basically minor upgrades. I don't know why they stubbornly refuse to upgrade the powertrain. They desperately need the hybrid, and some sort of turbo for the Forrester and Crosstrek with 200+HP. to fit in between the2.5L and the 2.4L outback turbo. Subaru used to have this segment pretty much to themselves, but competition is very stiff now, and they need to up their game. I am a Subaru fan, but not sure I would buy another, with all the competition they have now. They still have probably the best AWD system outside of full off road vehicles, but that is their only clear advantage they have left over the competition.
Edit: BTW, where is the "Snow" part of the review? This was more of a "first drive" than a review. Dont mean to sound like a complainer though; I love your channel. It is my favorite YT review site by far.
Looks wise, it kind of reminds me of the Suzuki Grand Vitara. Wish it was a hybrid. Then I would definitely be interested.
I like the tech and glad it finally got a 360 camera. Ryan, did they improve the backup camera resolution quality? I couldn’t tell from the video.
I think this car would look much better in the wilderness version. Also one can only hope they release an XT version of this with the turbo…
No resolution improvement.
Getting mine in September to replace my 2021 Outback. Can't wait.
Always a great review.
I have a 2019 forester. I feel like the backup camera screen is bigger on that than this one.
The backup camera view is big on the new screen, once you touch the view button on the screen it changes the view. He just didn’t know that about the vehicle since his not a salesperson for Subaru.
Great job Ryan. Would have liked to see more about 0-60 times because we live at 5,100 feet. Have a 2016 turbo XT now that does fine at elevations up to 8,000 feet.
So, the 235/50R/18 wheel/AS tire combination is probably competent in snow and on light trails?
Considering the 50 sidewall height, would a light all-terrain be necessary?
Hi Ryan- when monitoring my 2016 CX-5 with an OBD2 scanner I see a constant 10-20% of torque sent to rear wheels according to the 4x4 rear torque coupling PID. Would you consider that part-time or full time AWD? I know they’ve changed over the years.
Off the top of my head I recall the current Mazda systems disconnect the driveshaft when cruising. (Someone correct me if wrong.) I don’t remember specifics on the 2016 model year.
Mazda AWD is I-Active AWD. It’s a Front-wheel Slip AWD. So it’s still a front wheel drive vehicle with parts added to make it AWD when needed. So it’s a part time AWD.
I can't wait to see it live tomorrow! It is true that in Europe it has a 2.0 engine, not a 2.5 l... I can always import a 4.0 Toyota 4Runner or Tacoma. JUST NOT THIS NEW 4CYLI DR WITH TURBO!!!
Is that a 2013 Ford Explorer?
The new design is growing on me even if it does look like every other midsize suv