Yep and the last time I will watch it live, unless they change the way it is judged and the judges themselves. That score was a massive insult to Brendog, might not have been a winning run but to score lower than Strait, come on get a grip. No doubt Berrecloth will issue another patronising video to try and justify their existence.
Easy fix, make a rule that only a certain % of the run can be artificially made. I watched live as far as Bren's run and then rage quit, that score was bordering on insulting considering someone who fell off still got a better score!
Yeah I watched it live banged up recovering from shoulder surgery. Brendog had a true Rampage run and should have won it. I was surprised to see the big “ Mandatory” lines? Not sure. Agree though, impressive laps from all!
Right! His was the most unique run. I thought it was going to be like Natural Selection (Snowboarding) freeriding style runs, but it was judged more like slope style.
Darren Barrelcloth has some kind of personal vendetta against Bren, so he can never get above 3rd (that would give him a better ranking). They deliberately gave him a ridiculously low score so he hisn't auto-selected next year (and likely wouldn't bother coming now even if he did get invited).
I complained directly to Red Bull immediately after the 76.0 score flashed on the screen live. It was immediately obvious that Brendan's Monster sponsorship played a part in the scoring. From then on. as the streaming coverage proceeded you could tell that the scoring team were attempting to minimise their huge mistake.
Brendogs line was in the true spirit of Rampage and he should have won His lines have always been FREERIDE lines The judges marked him down for making it look too EASY !!! 😮 Rampage needs to go back to its roots as gnarly FREERIDE event with dual crown forks only allowed. Great show Martyn and Owen 🤓😉
Hey GMBN Dirt Shed Show! Monster energy should start a freeride event that has riders and dig teams build true freeride not slopestyle lines in utah and forget the judges! Instead go with the Darkfest and Nines format where all the competitors vote on who's run was best. Greetings from the north shore mountains of Vancouver British Columbia Canada !
Brendog was not just robbed but also insulted with the score he got… The social element makes the day. Watching Olly W Brendog and Ben Deakin build that line gave everyone an investment in Brendan’s run. Any of the other riders could have done the same.
They already have competitions for slope style tricks in a park. This event is supposed to be about the sickest line built. Brendog landing on top of that rock was wicked plus all the big gaps and drops.
You guys absolutely smashed the Rampage review. I thought you would sit on the fence and not call out the shambolic judging debacle. But no. Like your brilliant show you absolutely nailed your colours to the mast and called it how it was. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant journalism⭐️⭐️⭐️. Chapeaux guys!!
Even pinkbike were vocal about the judging being wrong! I’m hoping this bad publicity is a turning point (although I found an old post from 2015 rampage where people were still commenting that the judges were wrong and in fact semenuk was robbed 😅 )
Yep, he handled it well. I’m by no means suggesting what Brandon put together was incredible. So good. The point isn’t that, the point is they didn’t reward a fellow rider with comparable marks - when it was deserved.
Godziek was great but Semenuk was clean. He pulled off some huge tricks on a gnarly line with very low margin for error. That said I hope Godziek wins the next one. He's about due one now.
@tyrellcobb4665 people just don't understand how Semenuk executed his run, Also some riders has dead space in their run the point was Semenuk has flow feature to another feature he keeps throwing punches compared to others who throw punch and wait again to throw another one.
@@bat_fastard4525 his Monster sponsorship almost certainly means he's not allowed to be seen drinking Red Bull. Also, with the amount of adrenaline pumping through his body after that run, the absolute last thing he wants is caffeine!!
@@apersonontheinternet8034 🤣 it was the way he knew what was coming and the whole F u to red bull n tbf caffeine n adrenaline still ain’t as killer as Brens run 😉
Semenuk is obviously an incredible rider and a legend but even he said "wow wasn't expecting that.." when he got first place. They need to switch some of these judges out. Last year big tricks and exposed lines were explained as Cam Zinks win, this year it's tighter technical tricks that apparently is how you win. Sucks for Godziek, Fairclough, and TVS. Besides the judges it was an incredible event overall!!
@@trevorlewis2971 Bienve, his run last year was sick, was just rewatching that. The excuse was that he started celebrating before entering the finish corral. He was within the 3 min mark but apparently it still hurt him. Such an amazing run.
I love Rampage. Watch every year. Couldn’t catch it live this year. Watched the Full Replay on RUclips on Sunday. I thought Brendan and Tom Van Steenbergen got absolutely robbed.
Watched it live. Godzi's run was the winner for me as it had a good mix of everything. Brendog was robbed on his score though, definitely podium worthy. How Semanuk's crew won the diggers award is beyond me, that was the biggest robbery of all
I agree that Godziak’s run was immense. I don’t think I’d be happy with anything other than the win for Brendon though. He optimised the ethos of that event’s history, the very definition of why they go to that place, and bother building anything. It was a win, that’s all. Godzi was a super, super though!
@@martynashtonGMBN I don't disagree, it was the most freeride run of the lot but based on what the event has become, godzi's run ticked the most boxes. Semanuks was a 10/10 slopestyle run but godzi's had that extra bit of amplitude that screams rampage. I kind of hope Monster takes matters into their own hands and hosts the event that Rampage was always supposed to be
Last year Cam Zink was winner and when discussions came up the judges argued Rampage is a Free Style Event, not a Slope Style Event. So would be interesting to hear from the judges about their decision this year ... 😶🌫
Watching the digging, the prep work, and the run testing actually added value to the event for me. I think it helps to really appreciate how much work goes into the lines, and how insane every run is. Watched it on RUclips that evening. There were a couple of watch parties in OC and SD at bike shops. I think the judges have been vilified way too much. The problem is the scoring system. Zero reward for creativity, originality, or insanely technical riding. 100% for slopestyle tricks. The top 4 put down insane trick runs. 11th place had the best free ride line.
If you're doing a "freeride" contest, how hard the line is should always be the no1 scoring category. Tricks should matter only as a divider for riders with lines that are judged score the same. Meaning, ofcourse tricks should score better than straight airs BUT the line should always be the most important factor. If not the riders should just team up and build a big air slopestyle run down the mountain and see who does the hardest tricks, right?
Brendog was the fans favourite. Let the fans decide next time and then the slopestyle will eventually do one back to where it came from. It's Deffo supposed to be freeride. Simple
Brendog was definitely the winner. I could see right away that the judges weren't going to see it that way....they were looking for flashy slopestyle runs. You could see from the points where they were judging rider for rider on a split screen. How do you judge freeride on a split screen??? Brendon also took the most monstrous jump upside down. Who else did that?
Beyond belief how the only free rider in the biggest free ride competition on this planet was beaten by many slopestyle riders one even fell off his pedals and still scored higher.also how did they not get best digger squad when their line was the only original in shared line🤷♂️
Brendog should have won Rampage hands down due to his line choice which was truly the sketchiest line out of them all. His precision riding landing on the top of rocks to a stand still and then his steep drop line was epic! The judges completely ignored what this is all about and have made a mockery of the whole event and need sacking for their incompetence on marking. Brendog won this event just ask the people who are the real judges in this case.
I think the whole crowd booing the judges an Tom Van Steenbergen shaking his head saying wow tells you all you need to know sbout the judges once again
Watched it live up to the wind break and imagined Godziek had won. Brendog 100% should have won or been 2nd. TVS deserved better as well. Brendog’s line was individual, unbelievably challenging feeeride and went to the heart of what Rampage is or at least should be
New Rampage rules. New part of the mountain range every year. 1 week to scope and dig your line. No sharing lines other than entry and exit areas. Points for dig, tech, difficulty, control and style, including a few points for feature transition tricks. I' rather see someone somehow get down a gully in control than double backflip off a park jump. Viewer online voting is a % of the overall score. You're selling brands, connect with people, get engagement, it's what the sponsors want. I think Deak said once a bloke with a gob is going to get more views than a race winner. Gonna big up the local lad Tom, even if Liskeard is more or less England, his gully was raw AF! and totally in control, loved it. Great to see his come back from a pause boss the canyon and better than in practice. Kudos for not risking a 2nd run just for those twunts in the booth and a few crumbs of points.
@@gogofastfulHave a Google of the competition area even as it is, vast and most of the bikepark riders were more or less taking the straight line down. Only Brendon went near the edge of it. The whole Messa is vast to pick new areas each time.
They messed up big time, the end. No other line came even close to Brendogs for being a gnarly freeride line. The people voted and showed their disgust with the bs judging. BRENDOG the peoples champion 🏆 ❤
In my opinion Brendog won. Red bull Rampage has turned into a slope style contest due to $ and safety. I can understand reasons why they might have done this but I want a true Free Ride contest again. The only way this can truly happen is to switch to a completely new location and have the event judged by the people. You boys are spot on. Great show and lets do something to bring Rampage Free Ride Back! Cheers - M
I did 4 minutes worth of research and simply searched the riders names in google. Somebody may want to put more time into this..... This was "Red Bull" event. 1st. Brandon Semenuk: 92.73 Sponsored by Red Bull 2nd. Szymon Godziek: 91.66 Sponsored by Red Bull 3rd. Tyler McCaul: 90.66 Not sure 4th. Tom Van Steenbergen: 89.33 Sponsored by Monster 5th. Kurt Sorge: 87.16 Sponsored by Red Bull (used to be?) 6th. Thomas Genon: 85.83 Sponsored by Red Bull 7th. Carson Storch: 85 Sponsored by Red Bull 8th. Adolf Silva: 83.50 Sponsored by Monster 9th. Ethan Nell: 82.33 Sponsored by Monster 10th. Kyle Strait: 78.66 Not sure 11th. Brendan Fairclough: 76 Sponsored by Monster (and he did bring a cooler full of monster in one of his build vids) 12th. Reed Boggs: 74.66 Not sure 13th. Talus Turk: 72 Not sure 14th. Luke Whitlock: 70.66 Not sure 15th. Tom Isted: 50.53 Not sure Bienvenido Aguado Alba: No Score I really only looked at this for a few minutes and I hope I am wrong, but HMMMMM?????
Worst thing is, Brendan being outside the top 10, he doesn't automatically get a slot for the 2025 Rampage..........We all knew Brendan would again be ROBBED, but Redbull added a back-alley beating to the robbery. 2025 get rid of all judging - this event does not need to be scored, but should instead be a showcase for amazing talents
A full people’s choice vote could get complicated with the fans voting for their favorite rider based on personality or preconceptions rather than the run itself but the judging criteria definitely needs to be looked at
Started live then watched the rest later on Red Bull TV. Red Bull is not stupid, they know what gets eye balls on all this advertising, high risk tricks on high risk terrain. Go back over the past years and find the first rider that threw some insane unexpected trick and you will find where it started to change. Others have said there needs to be clearer scoring and criteria and that all first round scores should be held till they all finish to better rank them then have second round live scoring, I agree to both. Respect to Brendan for doing his line his way.
Bren was top 3 100% but while ever he has those green stripes on his helmet and comes from the UK he's not getting a podium... Time for a Euro Monster sponsored Rampage style event I think with judges from all over the globe...
I watched 2.5h on RUclips replay. I liked that there weren't any wood features and there was less pressure on the riders to do crazy drops and was more their choice. It should mark higher for taking the mountains on and doing drops and chutes and natural features. Maybe it's time to create a new freeride event explicitly for freeride again and bring some competition between the two contests.
I watched 2.5h on RUclips replay. I liked that there weren't any wood features and there was less pressure on the riders to do crazy drops and was more their choice. It should mark higher for taking the mountains on and doing drops and chutes and natural features. Isted's line was incredible with that canyon jump and the barrel roll. Maybe they should have static cameras close to the ground near various features the riders have built.
It's no longer a freeride event they should just rename it crankworx utah even the bikes are glorified slopestyle bikes with the single speed setups and everything was bike park smooth pretty much everyone was flipping the first jump too. the judges need to go and for gullivich to stand there and say brendog got marked down because he makes it look too easy is just insulting! Of course he makes it look easy brendog is extremely good at making riding a bike look easy!!! Perhaps they should implement some rules like limiting the amount of manicuring to the lines, dual crown forks, bikes to be dh bikes only
The riders and fans need to know what the event is. Not saying Brendan should’ve have won, but 11th! Also totally unfair on him to the point he knew a second run was a waste of time. Especially considering the effort Olly and Ben put in.
Thoughts on judging changes: Points deductions for multiple crews working on the same feature, points awarded or deducted for track widths, heavier weight for creativity and use of mountain and precision. plenty more ideas too
I watched the replay, not live. I'm in the US. I think Red Bull did get the coverage much better this year because of live drone shots, cameras up on the mountain etc, instead of TV cameras down at the bottom and helicopter shots only. If Red Bull wants it to be a slopestyle event just brand it as such just like Hardline is an extreme downhill event Rampage is an extreme slopestyle event. If it is a freeride event then why did Brendog get such a low score this year. I was pretty happy to hear the crowd boo on the replay because it shows what the actual fans onsite thought about such a crap score. He did have the most freeride line. Like you pointed out, every run was sick! All of the competitors nailed it. I was dumbfounded at the size of the cajones of some of the guys hurling themselves off the side of a mountain like that.
I watched it live from beginning to the end😅 love Semenuk style but…. Even for him the result was surprising and mad no sense. At least it felt like that.
I watched it live. Stayed up late. I had been following Brendog, Olly and Deaks all week put blood, sweat and tears into this and after Brendogs run I was absolutely gutted, I felt cheated, remember Lewis Hamilton at the end of the 2021 season? It felt like that. Don't get me wrong the 'winning run' was absolutely amazing. But it wasn't Freeride. Sort it out Redbull.
That is exactly what I felt like too, great shout. I totally remember thinking about that F1 blunder, just thinking that makes this whole process pointless. I haven’t watched F1 since. I like fair play, I like sportsmanship. That crew deserved the title. Simple as that.
Points should be decided for every section shared so you’re actually rewarded for creating a unique line with your dig crew!!! Personally i actually preferred Brendogs run last year as that knife edge run where he jumps from one bit to another was simply heart stopping! Free ride events where your bringing a dig crew with hand tools for 2 weeks before to create a run SHOULD be rewarded and part of the score! How many riders did we see riding down the same drop….. also, if Monster riders are not going to treated fairly then make it Redbull riders only event! Don’t screw them over!!! And have Can chatting absolute crap saying “the problem is he made it look too easy” awful commentary! Awful cheesy commentator!
I watched Rampage 24, Mens Live on RUclips Red Bull page. B.Fairclough's run was amazing, the route was top free ride stuff. I was also disappointed that he was not at top 5 contenders, as he deserved it and perhaps more. I guess the winning run was a combination of free ride and slop style tricks combined, as it was perfectly executed by Semenuk, which is a legend by now. This is supported by 2nd place run, that was maybe 60:40 (freeride:slope style). Semenuk's run was more close to 50:50 bias, he had more balanced run between the two styles and that got 1st.
The true Red Bull rampage runs were Brendan's, Kyle's, Tom's, Tyler, Carson's and Simon Godzie. Everyone knows that Brandon S is an incredible Rider and the things he did were incredible, but it's just taking away from the free ride aspect. It's not necessarily slope style because they're still coming down a crazy steep mountain but it's more slopestyle than free ride. You're supposed to pick cool in different lines to come down that are scary and challenging not just all big drops and jumps. A freaking backflip over a 50-ft gap is insane especially the Roll in. Building a jump up to a tiny landing on a giant rock and then dropping off a giant rock is pretty insane also
I did watch but not live. I watched the live broadcast but just after the fact so I could fast forward. I honestly think that yes Brendan should have 100% won. That run was sick. Senenuk's run also insane but Faircloth was unique and original and simply the best.
Aussie here. Watched the replay before I saw any social posts about winners. Godziek's run was better than Semenuk's in my opinion. But Brendog's was the one that made me have more "whoa WTF" moments. He should have scored way higher. My wife was watching with me, and even after Semenuk's super smooth stylish run, I said "nah, that won't win." But it did! I would have been happier with either Brendog or Godziek winning.
You summed up how I felt after watching rampage. Brendog was the only one doing free ride and should have won . Fair play to all the other riders some of there slopestyle tricks were insane . Think I will just watch hardline next year ,
Brendog not only won the peoples vote, by a big margin, but the crowd boos when his score when announced showed how badly wrong the judges were! I watched all Brendog's VLOG building serieis with Olly and Dekes which was so good, Brendog was the Social Media winner all day long.
The crowd at the bottom said it all by boo’ing the judges. How does a rider end up 11th but win the people’s award? Basically he is sponsored by monster and not an American
Olly and Deaks built a line that flows with the features, that makes a good use of boulders, rocks, drops, narrow passages and so on. It was a true freeride line. And then Brendog did such a clean ride. The score they got is an absolute joke for what is supposed to be a freeride event. Martyn you'er bang on!
Glad this is getting so much attention. Love Rampage but I'm loving it less & less as years go by and this year I tuned in for Brendog's line primarily. But I'm not into slopestyle, as much as it is done by elite riders, I just get tired awfully fast by the essentially the same moves in a very controlled enviroment. Landing a trick on a 3m wide surface isn't the same as landing a canyon gap backflip on a bike-length landing area like Brendog did. Just to name one. But same happened in 2019. I don't forget that run either. This is my personal taste but whenever I show someone what Rampage is all about, I always pick a Brendog's line. That's what Rampage is all about.
Brendog did an amazing freeride run. It was one of two men's runs I will remember next year. All the riders were amazing. Kudos to all. I will remember all the applied Lad Science.
Watched it live. The crowd made their feelings known when Bren’s run was scored. I think maybe a handicap rating dependant on percentage of natural v manicured.
One thing is for darn sure with this result you are gonna see a whole lot more single crown fork riders next year lol. I’m backing the brendog win personally he had his own line. Lot of guys just shared features and made giant wide landings and super groomed trails. Due to the shared big features the only way to set yourself apart is by tricks and then it leans more slopestyle event.
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Did you watch Red Bull Rampage? If so did you watch it live?
Watched the first round of runs of the men's finals, incredible to watch! But man was I anxious about them crashing, that mountain was gnarly as hell.
yes, watched it live, breath taking entertainment
Yep and the last time I will watch it live, unless they change the way it is judged and the judges themselves. That score was a massive insult to Brendog, might not have been a winning run but to score lower than Strait, come on get a grip. No doubt Berrecloth will issue another patronising video to try and justify their existence.
Easy fix, make a rule that only a certain % of the run can be artificially made.
I watched live as far as Bren's run and then rage quit, that score was bordering on insulting considering someone who fell off still got a better score!
Yeah I watched it live banged up recovering from shoulder surgery. Brendog had a true Rampage run and should have won it. I was surprised to see the big “ Mandatory” lines? Not sure. Agree though, impressive laps from all!
When I saw Brendog got #11 I couldn't believe it!! His ride was impeccable!!
Right! His was the most unique run. I thought it was going to be like Natural Selection (Snowboarding) freeriding style runs, but it was judged more like slope style.
That was just a mix up. Brendon/Brandon gets easily confused. Brendog did actually #1.
Watching live to be placed 7th with 76 was disgusting
Darren Barrelcloth has some kind of personal vendetta against Bren, so he can never get above 3rd (that would give him a better ranking). They deliberately gave him a ridiculously low score so he hisn't auto-selected next year (and likely wouldn't bother coming now even if he did get invited).
I complained directly to Red Bull immediately after the 76.0 score flashed on the screen live. It was immediately obvious that Brendan's Monster sponsorship played a part in the scoring. From then on. as the streaming coverage proceeded you could tell that the scoring team were attempting to minimise their huge mistake.
Brendogs line was in the true spirit of Rampage and he should have won
His lines have always been FREERIDE lines
The judges marked him down for making it look too EASY !!! 😮
Rampage needs to go back to its roots as gnarly FREERIDE event with dual crown forks only allowed.
Great show Martyn and Owen 🤓😉
Well said .
Good point about Brendon too
No he shouldn't
Go tell Robbie Bourdan he wasnt freeriding when he was riding a single crown off 70 foot stepdowns back in 2006.
Agreed - full stop!
Cheers
Owen
Hey GMBN Dirt Shed Show! Monster energy should start a freeride event that has riders and dig teams build true freeride not slopestyle lines in utah and forget the judges! Instead go with the Darkfest and Nines format where all the competitors vote on who's run was best. Greetings from the north shore mountains of Vancouver British Columbia Canada !
I like the idea that riders should chose who is their favourite. And I'm sure they all respect each other enough to do that.
That would be so funny. What a great idea.
This is Genius.... God I hope they do it...
Call it Monster Mayhem.
This sounds brilliant! DO IT @monster !
Thank you for not being scared to say what everyone is thinking. Even Semenuk seemed surprised that he won in his interview
Semenuk looked totally embarrassed to be chosen as the winner.
Brendog should have won! He had the only proper freeride line.
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If he didn't win he should at least have a higher score. That was pure disrespect.
Not 100% sure he should have won but he should have been on that podium 110%
That wasn't a winning run.
Podium, but not a win. Also what do you mean by 'proper freeride line', canyon gaps and huge drops are not freeride?
Brendog was not just robbed but also insulted with the score he got…
The social element makes the day. Watching Olly W Brendog and Ben Deakin build that line gave everyone an investment in Brendan’s run. Any of the other riders could have done the same.
Yeah. Thinking Brendog shi t on this next year
I was there. The entire crowd booed when Faricloughs score came in. If the entire crowd boos a score, you're scoring incorrectly.
They already have competitions for slope style tricks in a park. This event is supposed to be about the sickest line built. Brendog landing on top of that rock was wicked plus all the big gaps and drops.
rampage isn't a slope style comp
@@Ahavah_MTB but was scored like one... this time
@@Brainreaver79 yea thats why it needs to change
@@Ahavah_MTB It has been for several years... the judging tells us so
@@Ahavah_MTB No shit. But the judges seem to see as one.
Brendog definitely should be top 3 but personally I think Godziek got robbed and should have won.
Bang on Fellas, this needed to be said. Everyone thinks the same, Brendogs line was the best hands down! That hop up on the boulder was NUTS!!
You guys absolutely smashed the Rampage review. I thought you would sit on the fence and not call out the shambolic judging debacle. But no. Like your brilliant show you absolutely nailed your colours to the mast and called it how it was. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant journalism⭐️⭐️⭐️. Chapeaux guys!!
Even pinkbike were vocal about the judging being wrong! I’m hoping this bad publicity is a turning point (although I found an old post from 2015 rampage where people were still commenting that the judges were wrong and in fact semenuk was robbed 😅 )
Semenuk for life but not for the win. He also expressed it through his humility.
For me Godziek deserves it.
Yep, he handled it well. I’m by no means suggesting what Brandon put together was incredible.
So good.
The point isn’t that, the point is they didn’t reward a fellow rider with comparable marks - when it was deserved.
Godziek was great but Semenuk was clean. He pulled off some huge tricks on a gnarly line with very low margin for error. That said I hope Godziek wins the next one. He's about due one now.
@tyrellcobb4665 people just don't understand how Semenuk executed his run, Also some riders has dead space in their run the point was Semenuk has flow feature to another feature he keeps throwing punches compared to others who throw punch and wait again to throw another one.
Godziek or Brendog should've won! 🤨
or tvs
Them and the winner definitely should have been 1st, 2nd, 3rd.
Yeah that front flip was mad by godziek, the consequences of getting that wrong at that speed was immense. Landing it perfect on that big jump was mad
Front flip was not Godziek. It was Tom Van Steenbergen
1st Tom Van Steenbergen
2nd Godziek
3rd Brendog
4th Semenuk
Watched the first round. Saw Brendogs score, turned it off.
The course this year also seemed like a slope style course, not a rampage course.
omg stfu! you clearly don't watch slopestyle! it was definitely big bike free ride
Same
When Bren turned down the red bull 😂 gangster move by the people’s champ! Thanks guys 🫡
I had a chuckle when he waved it away!! HAHA
@@bat_fastard4525 his Monster sponsorship almost certainly means he's not allowed to be seen drinking Red Bull.
Also, with the amount of adrenaline pumping through his body after that run, the absolute last thing he wants is caffeine!!
@@apersonontheinternet8034 🤣 it was the way he knew what was coming and the whole F u to red bull n tbf caffeine n adrenaline still ain’t as killer as Brens run 😉
Ya that move is worth so much!!!
Monster should give Dog a extra bonus for that!!
@@apersonontheinternet8034 thanks for the explanation!
Brendog the peoples champ!
Semenuk is obviously an incredible rider and a legend but even he said "wow wasn't expecting that.." when he got first place. They need to switch some of these judges out. Last year big tricks and exposed lines were explained as Cam Zinks win, this year it's tighter technical tricks that apparently is how you win. Sucks for Godziek, Fairclough, and TVS. Besides the judges it was an incredible event overall!!
that front flip over the canyon gap should've won it last year can't remember his name but think he was Spanish
@@trevorlewis2971 Bienve, his run last year was sick, was just rewatching that. The excuse was that he started celebrating before entering the finish corral. He was within the 3 min mark but apparently it still hurt him. Such an amazing run.
Was loving Bienve's flow on his run this year too (before he binned it).
Exactly...even he was shocked...so what's best for next year? Freeride or Slope Style out at Rampage 2025...
I'm not saying Bren should have won, but 11th?! Thats mad, I had him top 3 at least! I watched the replay and skipped through the fat.
The people spoke.... Bren won. Not only Bren but Olly and Deaks too.
Olly and Deaks are a massive part of that win 🥇
HE WON
Absolutely!
I watched Rampage up until the Brendog result and switched off after it, 2 years in a row he's been robbed.
In all of rampage history I have never seen such a consensus of who should win... and he placed 11th
It's an Internet (i.e fake) consensus. And mostly British.
@@tyrellcobb4665 The people that were there in person seem to disagree with you.
I love Rampage. Watch every year. Couldn’t catch it live this year. Watched the Full Replay on RUclips on Sunday. I thought Brendan and Tom Van Steenbergen got absolutely robbed.
Watched it live.
Godzi's run was the winner for me as it had a good mix of everything. Brendog was robbed on his score though, definitely podium worthy. How Semanuk's crew won the diggers award is beyond me, that was the biggest robbery of all
I agree that Godziak’s run was immense. I don’t think I’d be happy with anything other than the win for Brendon though. He optimised the ethos of that event’s history, the very definition of why they go to that place, and bother building anything.
It was a win, that’s all.
Godzi was a super, super though!
@@martynashtonGMBN I don't disagree, it was the most freeride run of the lot but based on what the event has become, godzi's run ticked the most boxes. Semanuks was a 10/10 slopestyle run but godzi's had that extra bit of amplitude that screams rampage.
I kind of hope Monster takes matters into their own hands and hosts the event that Rampage was always supposed to be
Completely agree. I couldn't believe it when I saw 76.
Love to hear Martin telling the truth and not holding back. Spot on, sir.
they call him the "truth teller"
Last year Cam Zink was winner and when discussions came up the judges argued Rampage is a Free Style Event, not a Slope Style Event.
So would be interesting to hear from the judges about their decision this year ... 😶🌫
It should have been BrenDog, Godziek or TVS. BrenDog definitely got the shortest end of the stick but all 3 of them were done wrong
Watching the digging, the prep work, and the run testing actually added value to the event for me. I think it helps to really appreciate how much work goes into the lines, and how insane every run is.
Watched it on RUclips that evening. There were a couple of watch parties in OC and SD at bike shops.
I think the judges have been vilified way too much. The problem is the scoring system. Zero reward for creativity, originality, or insanely technical riding. 100% for slopestyle tricks. The top 4 put down insane trick runs. 11th place had the best free ride line.
Well said
If you're doing a "freeride" contest, how hard the line is should always be the no1 scoring category.
Tricks should matter only as a divider for riders with lines that are judged score the same. Meaning, ofcourse tricks should score better than straight airs BUT the line should always be the most important factor.
If not the riders should just team up and build a big air slopestyle run down the mountain and see who does the hardest tricks, right?
Brendog was the fans favourite. Let the fans decide next time and then the slopestyle will eventually do one back to where it came from. It's Deffo supposed to be freeride. Simple
Bren Dog won that with what he did it was so clean and a Mad line.
Appreciate the candour in this from Martyn - free ride ain’t free
Brendog was definitely the winner. I could see right away that the judges weren't going to see it that way....they were looking for flashy slopestyle runs.
You could see from the points where they were judging rider for rider on a split screen. How do you judge freeride on a split screen???
Brendon also took the most monstrous jump upside down. Who else did that?
I'm still pissed off by the results
Agreed!
Beyond belief how the only free rider in the biggest free ride competition on this planet was beaten by many slopestyle riders one even fell off his pedals and still scored higher.also how did they not get best digger squad when their line was the only original in shared line🤷♂️
Brendog should have won Rampage hands down due to his line choice which was truly the sketchiest line out of them all.
His precision riding landing on the top of rocks to a stand still and then his steep drop line was epic!
The judges completely ignored what this is all about and have made a mockery of the whole event and need sacking for their incompetence on marking. Brendog won this event just ask the people who are the real judges in this case.
It was so badly that he chose not to do his second run because it was so dangerous for an additional 3 points.
I think the whole crowd booing the judges an Tom Van Steenbergen shaking his head saying wow tells you all you need to know sbout the judges once again
I was at the event. The crowd booed the score loudly. Same for Bienve last year. We don’t care about small wobbles or cases - we want the art.
Watched it live up to the wind break and imagined Godziek had won. Brendog 100% should have won or been 2nd. TVS deserved better as well. Brendog’s line was individual, unbelievably challenging feeeride and went to the heart of what Rampage is or at least should be
YES MARTIN!!! you said what were all thinking on rampage. But when you say it, it has major clout. You legend
Brendon got robbed by the judges. I watched it that night not live and was able to fast forward through the delays.
He should have been on the podium. If not the win. 11th was a slap in the face!
New Rampage rules.
New part of the mountain range every year.
1 week to scope and dig your line.
No sharing lines other than entry and exit areas.
Points for dig, tech, difficulty, control and style, including a few points for feature transition tricks. I' rather see someone somehow get down a gully in control than double backflip off a park jump.
Viewer online voting is a % of the overall score. You're selling brands, connect with people, get engagement, it's what the sponsors want. I think Deak said once a bloke with a gob is going to get more views than a race winner.
Gonna big up the local lad Tom, even if Liskeard is more or less England, his gully was raw AF! and totally in control, loved it. Great to see his come back from a pause boss the canyon and better than in practice.
Kudos for not risking a 2nd run just for those twunts in the booth and a few crumbs of points.
Lol, there's not enough time or real estate for everyone to have separate lines and still start and finish on the same place, but nice try.
@@gogofastfulHave a Google of the competition area even as it is, vast and most of the bikepark riders were more or less taking the straight line down. Only Brendon went near the edge of it. The whole Messa is vast to pick new areas each time.
I don't see the point in riders going out with their dig teams and building lines if it's all scored on the best trick
They messed up big time, the end. No other line came even close to Brendogs for being a gnarly freeride line. The people voted and showed their disgust with the bs judging. BRENDOG the peoples champion 🏆 ❤
HARDLINE>RAMPAGE
In my opinion Brendog won. Red bull Rampage has turned into a slope style contest due to $ and safety. I can understand reasons why they might have done this but I want a true Free Ride contest again. The only way this can truly happen is to switch to a completely new location and have the event judged by the people. You boys are spot on. Great show and lets do something to bring Rampage Free Ride Back! Cheers - M
I did 4 minutes worth of research and simply searched the riders names in google. Somebody may want to put more time into this..... This was "Red Bull" event.
1st. Brandon Semenuk: 92.73 Sponsored by Red Bull
2nd. Szymon Godziek: 91.66 Sponsored by Red Bull
3rd. Tyler McCaul: 90.66 Not sure
4th. Tom Van Steenbergen: 89.33 Sponsored by Monster
5th. Kurt Sorge: 87.16 Sponsored by Red Bull (used to be?)
6th. Thomas Genon: 85.83 Sponsored by Red Bull
7th. Carson Storch: 85 Sponsored by Red Bull
8th. Adolf Silva: 83.50 Sponsored by Monster
9th. Ethan Nell: 82.33 Sponsored by Monster
10th. Kyle Strait: 78.66 Not sure
11th. Brendan Fairclough: 76 Sponsored by Monster (and he did bring a cooler full of monster in one of his build vids)
12th. Reed Boggs: 74.66 Not sure
13th. Talus Turk: 72 Not sure
14th. Luke Whitlock: 70.66 Not sure
15th. Tom Isted: 50.53 Not sure
Bienvenido Aguado Alba: No Score
I really only looked at this for a few minutes and I hope I am wrong, but HMMMMM?????
Brandon deserves the win. Would like to see the rule book for the judges.
Semenuk has won Redbull Rampage 2024 with the same tricks that he won in 2022. Still a good rider no doubt.
Brendog was robbed. He had the best line by far. Terrible judging. Great riding from the man himself though.
Zero sand bags,
No water = freeride.
If you can do slopestyle tricks without either of those things fair play you win!
Back to the roots.
To me a simple fix would be, they (RedBull), just need to find a new Zone, where nobody has existing lines.
Not so sure about the people's vote... It would all become a popularity contest.
Worst thing is, Brendan being outside the top 10, he doesn't automatically get a slot for the 2025 Rampage..........We all knew Brendan would again be ROBBED, but Redbull added a back-alley beating to the robbery. 2025 get rid of all judging - this event does not need to be scored, but should instead be a showcase for amazing talents
Do you really think he wants?
100% Brendan the only mountain bike run. Unless it’s a jump park competition, then take your pick.
11 is a typo, Brandan got 1st in my eyes. sick line
A full people’s choice vote could get complicated with the fans voting for their favorite rider based on personality or preconceptions rather than the run itself but the judging criteria definitely needs to be looked at
But in my opinion the judges won't have anyone win unless from USA or CAN... So I'd say the judges are EXTREMELY BIAS.
Started live then watched the rest later on Red Bull TV. Red Bull is not stupid, they know what gets eye balls on all this advertising, high risk tricks on high risk terrain. Go back over the past years and find the first rider that threw some insane unexpected trick and you will find where it started to change. Others have said there needs to be clearer scoring and criteria and that all first round scores should be held till they all finish to better rank them then have second round live scoring, I agree to both. Respect to Brendan for doing his line his way.
Redbull didn't have any problem showing Brendog's POV from 2023 to promote the event. I saw that pop up all year after 2023.
@@workhorsemtb7075 For sure, they will use anything and everything for promotion.
Hands down, yes. Two years running.
Bren was top 3 100% but while ever he has those green stripes on his helmet and comes from the UK he's not getting a podium... Time for a Euro Monster sponsored Rampage style event I think with judges from all over the globe...
Exactly what I’m saying!!!!!!
I watched 2.5h on RUclips replay. I liked that there weren't any wood features and there was less pressure on the riders to do crazy drops and was more their choice. It should mark higher for taking the mountains on and doing drops and chutes and natural features.
Maybe it's time to create a new freeride event explicitly for freeride again and bring some competition between the two contests.
The title is wrong! Its not semenuk who should have won, it‘s fairclough!
I watched 2.5h on RUclips replay. I liked that there weren't any wood features and there was less pressure on the riders to do crazy drops and was more their choice. It should mark higher for taking the mountains on and doing drops and chutes and natural features.
Isted's line was incredible with that canyon jump and the barrel roll. Maybe they should have static cameras close to the ground near various features the riders have built.
It's no longer a freeride event they should just rename it crankworx utah even the bikes are glorified slopestyle bikes with the single speed setups and everything was bike park smooth pretty much everyone was flipping the first jump too. the judges need to go and for gullivich to stand there and say brendog got marked down because he makes it look too easy is just insulting! Of course he makes it look easy brendog is extremely good at making riding a bike look easy!!! Perhaps they should implement some rules like limiting the amount of manicuring to the lines, dual crown forks, bikes to be dh bikes only
The riders and fans need to know what the event is. Not saying Brendan should’ve have won, but 11th! Also totally unfair on him to the point he knew a second run was a waste of time. Especially considering the effort Olly and Ben put in.
RedBull sponsored riders have an advantage over riders sponsored by say Monster....there...I said it.
Thoughts on judging changes: Points deductions for multiple crews working on the same feature, points awarded or deducted for track widths, heavier weight for creativity and use of mountain and precision. plenty more ideas too
Semenuk best dig crew? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease 😂
That to me was the most blatant insult of all
I watched the replay, not live. I'm in the US. I think Red Bull did get the coverage much better this year because of live drone shots, cameras up on the mountain etc, instead of TV cameras down at the bottom and helicopter shots only. If Red Bull wants it to be a slopestyle event just brand it as such just like Hardline is an extreme downhill event Rampage is an extreme slopestyle event.
If it is a freeride event then why did Brendog get such a low score this year. I was pretty happy to hear the crowd boo on the replay because it shows what the actual fans onsite thought about such a crap score. He did have the most freeride line.
Like you pointed out, every run was sick! All of the competitors nailed it. I was dumbfounded at the size of the cajones of some of the guys hurling themselves off the side of a mountain like that.
I watched it live from beginning to the end😅 love Semenuk style but…. Even for him the result was surprising and mad no sense. At least it felt like that.
Brendog and team created a work of art, true and pure to Rampage
I watched it live. Stayed up late. I had been following Brendog, Olly and Deaks all week put blood, sweat and tears into this and after Brendogs run I was absolutely gutted, I felt cheated, remember Lewis Hamilton at the end of the 2021 season? It felt like that. Don't get me wrong the 'winning run' was absolutely amazing. But it wasn't Freeride. Sort it out Redbull.
That is exactly what I felt like too, great shout. I totally remember thinking about that F1 blunder, just thinking that makes this whole process pointless. I haven’t watched F1 since. I like fair play, I like sportsmanship.
That crew deserved the title. Simple as that.
Brendogs line is the only one where he really looks like he is riding the actual terrain, rather than a bike park.
Points should be decided for every section shared so you’re actually rewarded for creating a unique line with your dig crew!!! Personally i actually preferred Brendogs run last year as that knife edge run where he jumps from one bit to another was simply heart stopping! Free ride events where your bringing a dig crew with hand tools for 2 weeks before to create a run SHOULD be rewarded and part of the score! How many riders did we see riding down the same drop….. also, if Monster riders are not going to treated fairly then make it Redbull riders only event! Don’t screw them over!!! And have Can chatting absolute crap saying “the problem is he made it look too easy” awful commentary! Awful cheesy commentator!
I watched Rampage 24, Mens Live on RUclips Red Bull page.
B.Fairclough's run was amazing, the route was top free ride stuff. I was also disappointed that he was not at top 5 contenders, as he deserved it and perhaps more.
I guess the winning run was a combination of free ride and slop style tricks combined, as it was perfectly executed by Semenuk, which is a legend by now. This is supported by 2nd place run, that was maybe 60:40 (freeride:slope style).
Semenuk's run was more close to 50:50 bias, he had more balanced run between the two styles and that got 1st.
Brendog didn't win coz he is not redbull athlete they couldn't allow no redbull helmet at the top spot
Then why not Godziek, that stomped the run of his life?
Am I the only one that was impressed by Martyn’s bell catch
Semenuk's run could have been built on any hill in the world. A great run but pure slope style not free ride
Totally agree. People vote should be the most important one. And more freeride hard and creative lines. Brendan number one!
Dual crown only!!!🤘🤘🤘
The true Red Bull rampage runs were Brendan's, Kyle's, Tom's, Tyler, Carson's and Simon Godzie. Everyone knows that Brandon S is an incredible Rider and the things he did were incredible, but it's just taking away from the free ride aspect. It's not necessarily slope style because they're still coming down a crazy steep mountain but it's more slopestyle than free ride. You're supposed to pick cool in different lines to come down that are scary and challenging not just all big drops and jumps. A freaking backflip over a 50-ft gap is insane especially the Roll in. Building a jump up to a tiny landing on a giant rock and then dropping off a giant rock is pretty insane also
I did watch but not live. I watched the live broadcast but just after the fact so I could fast forward. I honestly think that yes Brendan should have 100% won. That run was sick. Senenuk's run also insane but Faircloth was unique and original and simply the best.
Watched with my 10 year old daughter who swore at the telly when the score came on the screen.... Brendon won 🏆 people's champ
Aussie here. Watched the replay before I saw any social posts about winners. Godziek's run was better than Semenuk's in my opinion. But Brendog's was the one that made me have more "whoa WTF" moments. He should have scored way higher. My wife was watching with me, and even after Semenuk's super smooth stylish run, I said "nah, that won't win." But it did! I would have been happier with either Brendog or Godziek winning.
Brendan has a Monster affiliation. That's it.
You summed up how I felt after watching rampage. Brendog was the only one doing free ride and should have won . Fair play to all the other riders some of there slopestyle tricks were insane . Think I will just watch hardline next year ,
There was only one freeride line there
Brendog not only won the peoples vote, by a big margin, but the crowd boos when his score when announced showed how badly wrong the judges were! I watched all Brendog's VLOG building serieis with Olly and Dekes which was so good, Brendog was the Social Media winner all day long.
The crowd at the bottom said it all by boo’ing the judges. How does a rider end up 11th but win the people’s award? Basically he is sponsored by monster and not an American
When Brendog was handed an 11th...that was it for me. The judges must be replaced, period!
I like Owen's suggestion make the bikes have dual crown forks only!!! That will stop the creeping in of slopestyle!!!
Cheers - Yeah I feel like dual crown only is a quick fix to cancel tail whip's hopefully bringing a freeride event back to freeride again?
Cheers
Owen
Olly and Deaks built a line that flows with the features, that makes a good use of boulders, rocks, drops, narrow passages and so on. It was a true freeride line. And then Brendog did such a clean ride. The score they got is an absolute joke for what is supposed to be a freeride event. Martyn you'er bang on!
Glad this is getting so much attention. Love Rampage but I'm loving it less & less as years go by and this year I tuned in for Brendog's line primarily. But I'm not into slopestyle, as much as it is done by elite riders, I just get tired awfully fast by the essentially the same moves in a very controlled enviroment. Landing a trick on a 3m wide surface isn't the same as landing a canyon gap backflip on a bike-length landing area like Brendog did. Just to name one. But same happened in 2019. I don't forget that run either. This is my personal taste but whenever I show someone what Rampage is all about, I always pick a Brendog's line. That's what Rampage is all about.
Brendog did an amazing freeride run. It was one of two men's runs I will remember next year. All the riders were amazing. Kudos to all. I will remember all the applied Lad Science.
Kudos for using your platform to call them out!
The crowd booing said it all🧡
Watched it live. The crowd made their feelings known when Bren’s run was scored. I think maybe a handicap rating dependant on percentage of natural v manicured.
One thing is for darn sure with this result you are gonna see a whole lot more single crown fork riders next year lol. I’m backing the brendog win personally he had his own line. Lot of guys just shared features and made giant wide landings and super groomed trails. Due to the shared big features the only way to set yourself apart is by tricks and then it leans more slopestyle event.