Why Not Both? Assetto Corsa/Grand Prix Legends
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- Today I take a look at Assetto Corsa's much enjoyed Grand Prix Legends mod and compare/contrast with GPL itself.
0:00 Intro
1:20 Assetto Corsa
13:24 Grand Prix Legends
25:17 Final Thoughts 
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GPL was my first REAL racing sim and I still in love with it today. I got the alpha version (pre release) on a CD back in 1998 and bought the released version at the first opportunity. It's still an AMAZING sim, 21 years after its release. As the first real sim, it was hard to master. I still remember the first time I won a race against the AI on Kayalami - it was like a dream. I don't complain about its faults, because it's intended to run on a Pentium 166mhz single core, so even if the designers wanted to model everything modern sims have, they wouldn't be able to.
Anyway, I'm glad I found your channel. I installed GPL few days ago on my brand new PC and had the intense feeling I had 20 years ago. Lots of frustration ans lots of joy accumulated over the years when playing this game. Such a great sim!
how do I get GPL running on my PC?
@@vitor.guitarra google is your friend here.
GPL has an immense amount of charm. The visuals naturally reflect quality of that eras broadcast.
this channel in terms of immersion is in a league of its own. any upload from you is so thrilling for me as another classic f1 fan. thanks for your hard work!
The biggest thing going for AC is VR support. Racing the '67 cars around Monaco in VR is a spiritual experience, even with the janky AI.
GPL was the best sim at the time... I used to drive it with a keyboard!!... with manual shifting!!... and full damage mode... In dozens of races I only won once, because the first AI pilote had a crash in the last lap... that was epic... those cars were drive by the throtle, not by the wheel...
Damages were very realistic, wheels jumping off and motor fires... ^^
and the views!!!!... suspension view was a dream!!
Your video’s bring back so many memories of my time spent with GPL and VROC. Good Job man!
I am very pleased and appreciative of the very sincere and quantitative approach you give with all the critiquing and descriptions given for these Grand Prix sims! I also, find it fascinating, how can I express it the way you respond to the other drivers when you pass them or they drive a certain way you speak as if you are there in that time period and they are truly alive...very cool and some what transcendental maybe..? These racers are kept alive in all of our hearts and minds with these sims... I've been driving games/sims since when they began to offer them and I truly connect with the passion you voice in your presentations... Thanks! keep carrying the torch for the past legends of Grand Prix!!!
This is a video masterpiece! How you drove the race with the AC mod was just incredible! I had the impression that the AC race was quite a bigger challenge than the GPL race! And while driving so well you did a such informative and moving commenting, wow, really, simply spectacular!
It kind of boggles my mind that he can race while making great stream-of-consciousness comments the whole time.
If they'd just port the 'wave fist' button to Assetto Corsa, I'd probably be alright. Definitely worth it for the VR
Might be possible with content manager. Not sure if it would sync online
Fantastic content, thank you. I have been dragging my feet about getting the vintage GP mod set up on my AC, but now you have inspired me. And this comments section is really valuable too.
GPL seems to flow better if that makes sense. It might be a combination of the bumps and jerky AI in Assetto, but GPL was definitely a more enjoyable experience for me. Thanks so much for doing this, I'm continued to be impressed by your content.
Yeah, essentially what I am hoping for as well. Modern day graphics, but with the GPL immersion.
Add a BeamNG damage model, improved physics, and many of the tools we made separately for GPL built in-game.
My brother and I had a slot car set with these cars. I would always have the red car. We played all day. I love these cars, thanks for showing this.
Great video. Completely agree with your comparison, and also about how we really do need a modern sim with GPL's level of immersion for offline racing.
I’m glad I’ve stumbled across your channel. Subscribed 10/10 good sim racing content.
I love the way on the Ferrari how the white exhaust pipes look like white flames pouring out the back of the engine. :)
Wow, this video exactly answers the question I had the other day. Thanks!
First of all. Thanks so much!! I appreciate your commentary during both runs! Fantastic! I had GPL when it first came out **waaaaaay back. I didn't know it would run on my current computer.. I have downloaded it again and will give it a go. I don't think I have a patch for my 3DOF motion platform for that game (so If anyone does, please let me know *simtools). Love Zandvoort and both SIMS.. You really captured the essence of each without delving into video cards and processors etc.. Appreciate it. DMAX
This is the era I grew up loving racing cars as a boy. Thanks.
Awesome video, thanks GPLaps. I own both sims and, in my opinion, GPL still reigns supreme in the 67 F1 realm. For me, the physics are just so much better in GPL and each car has a distinctive identity. A.C., on the other hand, has a much improved force feedback model due to its modern architecture.
13:24 One of the little things I noticed when coming to Assetto Corsa from old sims like GT Legends and GTR2 was that there's no body torque from the engine revving in AC.
Yeah, you don't get that sensation of an engine trying to break free of the chassis.
Don't forget there are a few assists that can be switched off in AC. But even then, GPL cars are still significantly more of a handful to control.
@ , I meant when you are sitting still, revving the motor, the cars in AC are static. No body flex.
Great point. Torque rocking the car is yet another of the 'little' things that make GPL so great.
I love this mod, it looks, drives and feels so great. The drive is thrilling and to be honest a lot of the AC community is focused on hotlapping rather than racing so you'll find a lot of hair-raising videos of people just pushing these cars to the absolute limit. I do agree 100% the AI in the game generally is weak... They ram you from behind frequently, they bottleneck at certain points, they decide to just pit for no reason and never rejoin, they retire after minor spins... The biggest improvement to the AI often comes with mods that tweak it's path around a course.
As for GPL, I'm very impressed, I've played a few hours and think it looks fantastic and the AI seems pretty solid. However the 36fps lock really bugs me and overall it's such less forgiving to drive. It seems to me that GPL requires a much higher skill level and a lot of time put in practicing.
For sure at least concerning to F1. Can Am mods are easier and 66 mod is a must. Also Sports Cars 1967 are very fun an less hard.
There is a 60FPS patch for GPL
@@HawkOfGP Where?
@@jamesbehra2690 Well, I found it by googling GPL 60fps mod. Here's for example is a thread with links and directions to get it running. srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=12365
Note that the AI has problems with this mod so it's mostly for hotlap and online purposes.
These mods are great, but the only downside to some of the tracks is the AI lines are really bad. I've tried to correct them and plan to release them eventually, but everyone should know about this. Big fan of the channel man keep it up!
I have watched this video many times as I love both these sims, and 60s F1 is the best. Thanks again, Jake.
4.2k subs, 3.9k views, thats some great stats, put your mind to it and you can make something of this channel dude
The Grand Prix Legends mod along with some of the period circuits, such as the Nordschleife 67, in VR, is absolutely fantastic. It really brings my memories of GPL when it first came out to life as never before. Would be nice to have the various season mods too...
I have raced both of these. It is a hard comparison to make. Because of the time I have put into GPL my heart and allegiance must go with that. I also feel it handles as it should, better but that may be 'muscle memory' as I have spent years with the sim!
AC looks amazing, there are obviously better details in graphics and setup but my heart still says GPL. When it comes to AI, again GPL has it, head and shoulders above AC. For me it's GPL all the way as for 1967 Formula 1 cars but like others have said if VR is an issue there is no choice. I have had a go with an Oculus and it was definitely next level, for sure.
If you have put in the time on GPL then nothing is ever going to replace it. Given the updates that is OK for now. Everything is in place to make a decent GPL replacement though. It wouldn't take much, maybe even just combining what is already out there into a decent package.
Stroll on is what I say, can't wait.
18:26 now that's what Freud would call "lapsus" (i.e. "a bungled act that hides an unconscious desire") ;-)
Amazing video
Better graphics in AC. Better immersion with GPL. Simple as that.
The difficulty of this cars in a sim racing game is that we only have our eyes to control and antecipate reactions. This formulas should be driven and be felt with our body to predict their behaviour more than any other racing cars.
Wow! Brabham seems much more beefy, and sounds really good! Nice!
Good choice and good job designers! Nice race too!
Zandvoort is like a dance, very unforgiving but fun track.
I like the original GPL just because everything is done, and all cars are good to go! GPL has better damage effects maybe too.
Assetto Corsa Is beautiful and what cars there are, are also. Assetto Corsa better physics, you can just about feel the car.
Gotta love the look of that Brabham
The AI in AC is done on the track level. Not all tracks have good AI but you can if you want develop some yourself with a very handy tool. It's tricky though, if you want them to race at a good level you have to speed them up and that often makes them incident-prone as they funnel into T1. And sometimes they just don't listen 😁
That was most impressive, I've said in the past that the GP Legends mod is the best thing to happen to Assetto, and I've said that to the likes of Chris Haye, Jimmy Broadbent and Random Callsign. I'd say that for looks and value the Assetto mod sneaks it but it just goes to show that GPL still holds its own in terms of AI and immersion, after 22 long years. I feel a challenge coming on - to recreate the season as featured in the John Frankenheimer film Grand Prix. Whether you play as Richie Axelson, or take on the role of either Pete Aron, Jean-Pierre Sarti, Nino Barlini or Scott Stoddard is down to you. The only hitch in that though is that there isn't a Charade circuit on Assetto yet. And you're right, Zandvoort's T1 is called Tarzan.
There is a charade on a.c.
Its actually quite nice
@@jamesbunnel9964 Didn't know that.
There's an old Grand Prix 1966 carset for GPL, and the newer historic 66 mod update adds the "Yamura" driven by Chris Amon where it appeared in real life.
Great one!
You said that you tweaked the AI of AC for quite some time. Do you like to share more detail of what you did there? Maybe do a video about AI tuning für the 67 cars?
Thanks for the video. Cheers.
Thxs man! I’m curious to try GPL and compare both
I Have to point out that behavior of AI greatly affected by car\track combo. Lots of work have to be done by track builder in order to make AI more consistent. So it's just the matter of content quality. Of Course rFac2 AI is miles better then AC, but they can deliver good racing. Just not every track or car can make the cut.
None the less, great video!
P.S. You can check more AC historic content here f1classic.forumotion.com/f53-ac-modding
P.S.S. If you want to have in AC PitBoard similar to one in GPL, you can grab it here: www.racedepartment.com/downloads/classic-pitboard.16328/
I have so many racing games on my computer, and I find myself racing Grand Prix Legends and NASCAR 4 more then all the others combined. There something to be said about how they approached racing sims back in the day.
is there any chance that we might see a career again? either the continuation or reissue of an old career or a new driver going through the years in GPL or another good sim would be amazing :)
Мощно!💪
i love these old f1 cars so fun to drive
GPL was the first sim I'd come across that was a real CHALLENGE, even years later after all the work on it and all my driving experience with better and better wheels it was still a hard. The AC mod is a bit like GPL on easy mode, you can be VERY liberal with the throttle sometimes but that seems to be a thing with just about any car in AC, you can't get away with massive rear end angles in Raceroom.
Agreed. Went from PS2/GT3 to GPL myself and never looked back.
Assetto Corsa is definitely a treasure trove of tracks and cars. On the other hand using mod tracks and mod cars can have undesirable consequences with AI, as AC has anything from road cars to formula cars, GT, vintage etc etc. The AI lines and boundaries on a track may be more suitable for some types of car and less for others. Still, the sheer amount of cars and tracks available, mostly for free, is astounding. I guess you have already visited racedepartment.com where all the "legit" free mods are hosted, there is a bit more "quality control" from the community on those mods. I would advise to check the highest rated track mods here www.racedepartment.com/downloads/categories/ac-tracks.8/?order=rating_weighted&direction=desc many of them are vintage tracks, high quality stuff. The AC community is actually huge and hyper-active, the game's popularity is ever growing even after AC development was halted and ACC has come out, so you can even avoid the AI altogether and do some multiplayer racing steamdb.info/app/244210/graphs/
I've found myself buying some paid mods. Look at the RSS ones, they have a wonderful V10 formula car for about 3 Euros which can then be skinned with a community mod to create the entire year 2000 F1 grid. Just fantastic.
you gotta upload a package with all original and must have tracks and the mod itself, it would be a great deal for GPL fans to have a easy go to switch to AC
Well that the beauty of AC modding, If you don't like the A.I. you can "record" your own AI racing line and pit lane file. It may take some time to learn, but it completely worth it!
If it helps anyone with AC gpl driver set up i up the overall driver strength and then tweak individual ballast, so Clarke is the lightest etc. Seems to give a good consistency. I also have a few gpl mod tracks and other mod period tracks in a championship. Have to note the constructor points, best lap etc by hand as i progress. Suppose it's a form of meta gaming.
Thats a good tip thanks! I saw the ballast settings but hadn't thought of using that. It seems the AI is very unpredictable when their strength is under 90%, especially in these older cars. So I will try maybe setting all of them to be 100% and use ballast to slow some down!
I started with GT legends many years ago and never played GPL. Looking at your videos, I now realise that I have missed out on a good game. I prefer the old skool racing and have collected loads of mods over the years for RF, RF2 and AC. The GPL circuits seem to be very well done and I hear now include a full length Isle of Man. The only negative I can see for me is that the 30fps cap may give me bad eyestrain but I will give it a go.
I know what you mean. People keep pointing me to the 60fps mod but even then, after coming from newer PC games which I have locked at 100fps+, I find it hard to put up with.
I see the 30fps thing come up a lot (its actually 36fps). It is definitely one of the rough edges on the sim. Modders actually made 60fps available but much of the core code of GPL runs off the 36fps clock, mainly the AI so you can definitely run solo laps with the 60fps. I might be used to the lower FPS but once you get used to it its not a big deal. Switching from another sim makes it very apparent at first though.
Miss rFactor 2 here, IMO have the best F1 of this era :P
Even better than Automobilista? According to most sim racers i had the impression that, force feedback aside, AMS had the best open wheel racers of all sims. What do you think?
(I've been also told that RF2 have the best FF of all sims)
What you were speaking about (the limitations of the AC version) in terms of aggression, likelihood of mechanical failures, driver abilities etc. Is all that available in GPL? Or were you referring to it as a nice to have for AC, and that it was missing?
Where did you get the AC version of this track from? Is it the F3 mod team/the paymod?
I've never played gpl so I cant really compare, but I really enjoy the mod for AC, however one thing that bugs me is that you cant gear the cars for any higher than 310-315kph depending on the car. The 312 hits the rev limiter a lot on the straights at spa. Idk if that's intentional or something they need to work on
At first sight to me it looks like the car has too much power and/or not enough drag compared to real world since It don't think they were much faster than 310 kph in those years. Anybody correct me if I'm wrong please.
Nice idea this video, mainly because I have fun of the GPL-heads that don't like to accept that GPL's contents could be modernized via modern sims.
There's another point to talk, in order to better match what the people wants: how works GPL's FFB on modern wheels?
There is a patch called ffbv3 for GPL which makes the feedback fairly good. Of course Assetto Corsa's is better but I do not find myself wishing the feedback was different in GPL, it is adequate.
Great comparison. The AI is the the big letdown for the assetto corsa GPLmod and the lack of ability to "easily" manually fine tune it is frustrating . But to be fair no modern sim has got the AI perfect just yet. Where the assetto corsa GPL mod really excels is in VR. Anybody who has a VR head set and loves GPL should really give this a go. Without wishing to sound delusional, in VR the adrenaline rush you get racing side by side and looking over at any of the legends of this era is incredible. Thanks again for the uplaod.
But how do you locate buttons and the shifter when you've got the headset on?
@@armorgeddon For driving sims I still use my Logitech G27 Wheel, gear stick shifter and pedals. For gear changing you can take the easier option and more sensible for most people of using the paddles on the wheel. To be more hardcore use the gear stick shifter (H-shift pattern only on the G27 unlike the G25 which gave you the option of sequential). Either way with or without a headset on your hands are never far away and you should know where your gear shifter or paddles are without looking. Just like in real life if your looking for your gear shifter to change gears and not looking where you are going you will have an accident! It really is second nature. Like wise I assign other available buttons on my wheel and shifter for other functions if required. Again it just becomes second nature that you know where they are without looking for them. Seriously give it a go if you can.
Call me crazy but i prefer the visuals on GPL after all the years of mods, it captures the grittiness of the era in terms of F1 not the game year compared to the Assetto Mod
Have you tried rF2s historic F1/F2/F3 content? I think ISI had hopes they might become GPL2 with the inclusion of some historic cars and tracks in the base content, but modders never really jumped on-board and rF2 was something of a mess. I own rF2 but never tried a race against the AI in the historic cars. rF2 had a good reputation for AI but I watched a couple of races Jimmy Broadbent did and the AI looked terrible - engines blowing at Monza and AI crashing at Monaco.
I have tried rfactor 2 back when it came out. I found it to be quite a mess at the time but I am sure things have improved since then. I think for my use it is going to fall into the same issues as Assetto Corsa, nice cars/handling but missing a lot of the historical content and the AI is not a great (although likely better than AC).
@@GPLaps There is a mod called F1 Racing Legends 2.0 for rF2, that was released in Dec. with F1 cars from 1967. And a bunch of historic tracks including the historic Zandvoort that you are using here in this video are available aswell. If you use rF2 AI don't forget to run a short practice and qualy session so that there is some rubber layed down and that the AI get's "sorted". This makes racing AI in rF2 actually quite trouble free and enjoyable. ;)
What happened to the mod, it seemed to disappeared from sight. Just asking. Thanks, great vids by the way.
Probably taken down because of an asshole manufacturer caring more about it's copyright than free advertisement and happy people.
They are the best sims ever... even if one has the crown since 1998 lol XD
GPL stands up very well. If not better than AC.
Where I can small my screen? I download the demo but when I open it it’s to big, I can drive and click because is like a zoom
Set the scaling in Windows itself to 100% - I've seen that work for others.
The Assetto Corsa mod is pretty good in terms of physics and fun factor, but it doesn't have the historic feel, I always have the feel I'm racing on some modern historic race rather than 1967.
Varies from track to track. Some classic tracks like for example Longford don't exist now so were built from the ground up with the era in mind. Others have the telltale signs that they are conversions from the modern tracks.
Look at Spa 66 for example. I could swear there's an MR2 parked just off the back straight.
@ Yeah, but I thinking more along the lines of the old starting grids of 3 cars per row, the flag guy starting the race, pit signs and that small stuff stuff that adds a lot of imersiveness.
There was a separate application that you could use to modify the strength of the GPL AI drivers, I don’t remember what that application name was, anybody know?
Was it GEM+?
There is an app called GPL AI Manager or "GPLAIM" but its honestly easier to edit the ini files directly.
Where can i get the gpl 1967 mod today?
How does it compare to the rF2 '67 cars?
Ooooow! I like this idea. Jake... Will you give us your thoughts on a comparison between GPL and rF2 '67?
It's shame the quality of the AC mod is all over the place. Some carmodels are the same ones I've seen 10 years ago in rFactor. It's nice to see a proper direct comparison though. In my opinion the mod is not a proper replacment for GPL.
The AI just seem to float above the road.
They need shadow to make them look convincing
All I could find was a dead Mediaf**RE link in a UTube vidoe. Where can I get this. Thhis looks so good.
Best place for most if this kind of stuff is Racedepartment
you can find a download on tarnhoerner.de - an active group of racers who race the mod on a weekly basis
Go to Billy stranger's video on assetto corsa gpl and someone in the comments posted the link as a reply to a question just like yours. It won't take long to find
Thanks to everyone for pointing me in the right dirctions-
Totally agree regarding game AI. These days they all fall into the "here is driver A, he'll always win. Driver B is always second. They never have failures or crash" groupings. Or (and I've played ALL the racing games) they have AI which have 200 more HP down the straights, but you can outbrake them in every corner. GPL is the perfect representation of real racing.
Whilst it's had 22 years of development, it was good enough out of the box that people bothered. Other racing games - NR2003, Rfactor 1, GTR aside - just don't have that community support.
Has anyone got a link for the track?
here you go: sellfy.com/f3classictracks/p/ylih/
@@GPLaps thanks for that, I'll grab that next time I'm on my computer!
WTF this quantic tachometer in GPL?
Real mechanical tachs of the period often moved in a jerky, sort of 'stepping' fashion. I can't remember why. But it does look very exaggerated in the vid. I don't remember GPL having an issue with that but it's been ten years since I ran it. Maybe something to do running it on a modern computer and graphics card.
Its actually an addon that tries to simulate a more accurate tach, the addon can be removed to restore fluid motion but its not quite as realistic
They were called chronometric tachometers. In the real world, it gives you a clearer image of the reading. You were really only using a tach to tell you when to shift, so the "in between" needle locations didn't really matter. And if you had a chrono tach on your street car back then, you were "da man"! 😉
The problems with the AC mod are that the modeling is all over the place (like the shoddy 312/67 by Kunos that looks more like a BRM P115 with a Ferrari sticker or the cheese-grater-shaped BT20 and BT24) to actually competent (Hondas in general). Plus, the second problem is that AC's physics engine is really a joke when it comes to suspension-modeling, aerodynamic and engine cooling and failing formulas. For a sim those are inexcusable failures... but it's more of a problem with the program itself than the mod.
All the honours should go to Bazza and the others, who tried to patch the glaring issues Kunos never wanted to fix because "Oh, we have ACC now!".
You should try the 67 mod from Simdream for Assetto. It s a musthave just for the sound of the brm's V16 :love: . But for the global package and all the details (screens, design of marshall near track, green lights, flags, etc), i prefer grand prix legends vs assetto.
Simdream? The scammers who steal content and than sell them on? I don't think so!
AI matters not, come race with some real life competition at tarnhoerner.de
Shame, that this mod for AC is not an official dlc.
Surprised how crappy AC looks, poor shade detail has cars unearthed, track details fuzzy world. Physics may be be better ?