For anyone wondering - I got this config in the mini with 48gb of RAM. WoW quick test: medium, 1440P, some settings on high/good - capped fps of 144hz because thats as high as my monitor goes. Cranked it up to max with no adjustments - 90-115fps in Dornogol full of people.
Cyberpunk 60FPS with 1440 on high on a thin laptop that’s not plugged in and it’s a Mac?? What an exciting world we live in. I have an M1 Pro now and I think when cyberpunk comes out natively it will make me upgrade.
@@entertain8648 it's the thinnest high performance laptop on the market. If you can find thinner with same or better performance and battery life, proove it
Those frame rates are impressive, especially using CrossOver translation. I would have thought trying to run most of those games at 720p low graphics settings through 3 layers of translation would melt even the most recent Macs. One thing I don’t understand is, the Halo Master Chief Collection is 32-bit. Therefore, the Apple GPTK DirectX to Metal translation will not work. Everything would have to be done through software using Wine, and the M4 is still able to brute force it to run at over 60 FPS at 1440p. Incredible!
I did the same thing in 2020, bought an intel i5 mbp 1 month before the m1 came out 😂 I’m still using the intel one today but never got over it. Might get the m4 pro to replace it though…
Can you please test some of these games? 1) Metal Gear Solid 5 2) God of War 3) Doom 4) Devil May Cry 5 5) The Last of Us. 6) Hogwarts Legacy 7) Jedi Star Wars 8) Horizon Forbidden West 9) Dead Space (Remake) 10) Marvel's Spider Man 11) Sekiro. 12) Uncharted 13) Final Fantasy 15 14) Silent Hill 2 (Remake) 15) Gears 5 16) Gears of War (1,2,3) via xbox emulation. Thank you.
This list should become the usual minimum for testing on Mac these past months. Thanks for suggesting. It is cool that he tests other games in order to vary tho
Nice list. Would also be nice to see some more big games (if they are working using Crossover) like: 1 - Elden Ring 2 - Red Dead Redemption 2 3 - Stalker 2 (Will be released this November) 4 - Dragon Age
Thank you for doing all these tests. Not that it makes any difference in choice for me because there’s already a 14/20 Pro Mini sitting on my desk. But it’s great inspiration on what to play. Been out of gaming the last six years because I was stuck on a 2018 i7 Mini with that slooow Intel graphics. The difference in performance is just mind blowing. I do a lot of photo editing. Topaz sharpen AI went from 7-10 minutes to around ten seconds. Denoise AI in Lightroom went from up to 15 minutes down to 20 seconds.
I wish you tested more of the native mac games like resident evil games and compared them to the performance of older M series pro chips so we could see how big of a difference in performance there is.
Thanks for this test. I believe that most people like me that are going to use it for work and do some gaming will be looking for the M4 Pro models like this one.
This is an interesting comparison. I bet the differences will get bigger as more titles are brought out that are native, and as more optimized versions are released.
Interesting comparisons, thank you. Btw, it is possible to spec the upgraded CPU & GPU on the M4 MacBook Pro without moving from 512GB to 1TB HD. That upgrade is £200 from the base model.
How’s the thermal performance? My 14” M1 Max can get really hot and I’m sure that hinders performance after some period of sustained stress. Would be interested to see how an M4 Pro Mac mini compares to an M4 Pro MacBook Pro under load
@ I disagree though it’s ultimately personal preference! I’ve loved the smaller form factor of the 14”. Gaming is the most intensive thing I’ll do on this machine. In all other scenarios it runs very cool and I’ll never hear the fans.
@@ItsLikeAShammy It has a worse gpu than most of the M series, so the fans do ramp when its trying to game since the cpu is hella stressed on these m4 chips
10% improvement isn’t bad, it’s just your paying for it really. Some people want/need that gain. In any case, plenty of times years back intel released new chips and a 10% gain was considered good, their new ultras barely even have any gains and look at the price plus mobo plus plus etc if you go that path (esp for the top chip). So it’s all horses for courses. Overall, it seems the gain is limited given the increase in p and gpu chip counts - probs more a thermal related factor which you can’t change on a Mac (no one’s worked out - yet)
That’s great. I was worried the gameplay gains from m3 to m4 would be small but that doesn’t appear to be the case. If Apple keeps the momentum going I’ll get a MacBook Pro m5. I hope more games get ported over.
i’d love to know if you can achieve stable performance in Valve’s Deadlock. Let me know if you’re interested in testing it and need an invitation, as it’s a “closed” playtest right now.
If I read this right, the 12/16 was a Mac Mini Pro, whereas the 14/20 was a MacBook Pro 14. I wonder whether there would have been a greater difference if the 14/20 had also been a Mac Mini? I’m thinking that possibly the Mac Mini Pro has better cooling than the MacBook Pro 14.
Something I would really like to see tested is how much resolution would you have to sacrifice on the binned M4 Pro to reach the same frame rates as the non-binned M4 Pro. Take your Tomb Raider test as an example, would lowering the res to 900p put the frame rate equal with the non-bind M4 pro, or perhaps even higher? It's just that for many of us who have a limited budget, perhaps sacrificing a small amount of resolution could work?
Great comparison, thanks. I think comparing thermals and fan noise between binned and unbinned would of been beneficial as well. 10% performance for a screaming laptop isn't worth it imo.
Awesome video. Just in time. I'm actually split into making a decision whether I should build a AMD ryzen 9950x 3d with 5080 coming in Jan next year or buy MBP 14" 20 GPU model. Can you please test the following games please - 1. God of war 4 2. Spiderman 3. Battlefield 2042 4. Black myth wukong 5. Ghost of tsuhima 6. Assassin Creed Odyssey 7. Forza Horizon 5. Thankyou. 🙏
Awesome video. Just a little FYI for League of Legends - there is native Metal support in the game. It's been in beta for years at this point and requires using either a script or changing the games config files.
what is the estimated performance loss from running games through rosetta? also, if the devs for space marine 2 enabled linux support on their anti-cheat (idk what they use) could mac multiplayer come back?
It looks like there isn't a significant step up to fps. M3 pro and M4 pro during gameplay is only showing a 5-12 fps difference on AAA titles. 1440p on M4 Pro High setting plays the same as 1440p on M3 pro Medium setting. I came to this conclusion by watching your M3 pro game YT video, uploaded a year back. Also seeing others on RUclips. It's interesting how synthetic benchmark show a 30% increase to the scores but doesn't translate to real world use. Maybe the difference is mainly on the CPU end with those 4 additional performance cores, hence the high scores
Can you maybe try to play The Binding of Isaac Rebirth on it? I also have the M4 Pro with 20GPU and every time I try to open that game it makes my macbook crash and reboot and I saw on a crossover thread that someone else experiences the same problem so I would like to know if it somehow works for you! Thank you so much in advance :)
The only game I would be interested in would be Indiana Jones And The Great Circle which will be released soon for Windows PCs if it runs well on this Mac Mini M4 Pro with Crossover. Can you test that as soon as available?
Great work as usual, I am a bit surprised as Cyberpunk runs at around average 40fps and that is what you had on your M3 Pro test??? So no advantage? Cheers!
I really appreciate someone actually making this content. I'm sad that my GTX970 is now outpaced by Macs XD - but glad to see apple computers are getting better at gaming. perfect for us photographers that like games
Thank for the tests. What about StarCraft 2? Do you have any information on that? I know it didn't run well on the M1-M2 Apple silicon processors. Any changes for the M4?
hi Andrew, i’ve been looking to get the 16inch macbook pro too i just wanted to ask about your experience on the silver color? how does it hold up against smudges and fingerprints? did you do any research regarding it? ive been contemplating a bit too much and i honestly dont know which one to get still ive heard a lot of people return their space black to get the silver one and that silver lasts better overtime since its the actual color of the aluminium meanwhile the space black is a coating and it wears off at the palm rests and just fades off unevenly overtime. It def looks better than silver but longevity is questionable. What are your thoughts?
I was looking forward to this video (M4 PRO). As always great video. I can not remember the names but does Crossover now support everything or do you have to still use the special PATCH which means without Crossover support (i think you said it would eventually be updated).
10% performance increase from M4, M4 12/16 and M4 14/20 for crossover titles with frame stutter. Would a base M4 14 inch Macbook pro then be the sweet spot with 512gb ssd although the difference between 40fps to 50fps to 56fps at 1080p for crossover games is that worth it? If there were native games with metal fx upscaling this would be better...
Hi Andrew, could you try Hearts of Iron 4. It is know for its optimization problems and its a heavy load on cpu. I'd like to see how M4 Pro performs with it.
do you think i can do all of this on the 12-core? or should i get the 14-core pro? what are your thoughts? does the 14-core affect battery life vs 12-core?
Could you try out Minceraft pretty pretty please lol 🙏 with and without shaders w/ iris & sodium, etc. if possible? Maybe even some popular 1.20+ Fabric & Forge modpacks?
Do you feel it's worth the money to grab the top spec M4 Max 14" chassis with 64GB for gaming? Max Tech reviewed a 14" M4 Max and said as usual, the smaller chassis can run into thermal issues. Looks like the M4P 14/20 is the best balance of thermals and performance for the 14" chassis.
Waiting since years to see a video how to play call of duty and far cry on mac either native or other methods Andrew please can you make a video on the same
I don’t know if you’ll see this or not but i just wanted to ask what you think is more important for a gaming MacBook Pro. Unified ram or the processor. Also how much ram would i need to game comfortably. I’m thinking about buying one at the end of the month and don’t know which one to upgrade.
I bought the 14 CPU/20 GPU model day one but haven’t open it yet. These gaming results look promising. Since the screen was slightly updated do you know if there is still ghosting issue?
The M4 is *NOT* a "binned" M4 Pro. They're two distinct SoCs. The Pro supports Thunderbolt 5, supports more RAM, has more GPU cores, more CPU cores, is a different die layout.
If it is okay to ask, between MBP M3Pro(18/512)and M4(16/512), which one will you recommend? Does the 2 RAM and battery life difference affects a lot of aspects?
If you want to properly do game performance testing, test each game on 720p low settings to properly stress the CPU, and then on 4K ultra settings to properly stress the GPU. That way you're both exposing the limits of each compute block of the chip, and by showing both extremes you're able to provide a wider window into the kind of performance range that the SoC can provide in a game. You're doing these tests at these so-called "preferred" settings for the fps results to reflect "what people are actually going to get" but the preferred settings are only a reflection of your preferences and a lot of people don't like turning on things like FSR. FSR isn't a cheat code for getting higher fps, and it's arguably a bad make-up to cover up the incompetence of some game developers, instead of actually optimizing their game (on either Windows or Mac) they just build in AI upscaling. Your performance testing at "preferred settings" ironically does a worse job at reflecting what fps people will get than testing both at 720p low and 4K ultra because not only do you have 2 data points instead of 1 that way, but the data points are also at the opposing ends of the spectrum so the difference in fps between the two settings is representative of the range of performance people can expect from the SoC. If you're going to do this, do it right or don't do it at all. It's embarrasing. People might complain that running at 720p or 4K is unrealistic and they want to see real world results, but those people don't know what they're talking about and how performance testing methodology works (like you), so you just need to ignore them. Hardware Unboxed talked about why it's annoying that people complain about this in their recent video, I think watching that video will be a good start.
Firstly, I always thought Macs as a creator platform, not gaming though good to see it can & more games being natively available without using third party software to run. Secondly, why don't you compare the test mac to a gaming pc laptop at same price if gaming is the focus?
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Dude. You are awesome! I just asked for Victoria 3 yesterday and you got it done already! Thanks so much
Finding benchmarks for paradox games on late model Macs is damn near impossible, when I saw he was testing it on stream I was surprised
@ exactly! I always have to go down rabbit holes of Reddit threads for these games so I really appreciate him spotlighting it
Thanks for the Super Chats glad I could help :).
@@Andytizerhow do you see the fps I can’t in my mac air
For anyone wondering - I got this config in the mini with 48gb of RAM. WoW quick test: medium, 1440P, some settings on high/good - capped fps of 144hz because thats as high as my monitor goes. Cranked it up to max with no adjustments - 90-115fps in Dornogol full of people.
Just curious, are you able to get 60+ fps in 4K max settings? If not, the highest slider?
Any thermal throttling issues after extended play?
Cyberpunk 60FPS with 1440 on high on a thin laptop that’s not plugged in and it’s a Mac?? What an exciting world we live in.
I have an M1 Pro now and I think when cyberpunk comes out natively it will make me upgrade.
its not thin, i would say quite the opposite
@ have you seen windows gaming laptops especially from the past?
these results are manipulated with FSR on and he "forgot" to mention that
@@entertain8648 it's the thinnest high performance laptop on the market. If you can find thinner with same or better performance and battery life, proove it
more expensive than RTX 4090. mac is still joke for gaming and will always be cuz of non upgradable.
Those frame rates are impressive, especially using CrossOver translation. I would have thought trying to run most of those games at 720p low graphics settings through 3 layers of translation would melt even the most recent Macs. One thing I don’t understand is, the Halo Master Chief Collection is 32-bit. Therefore, the Apple GPTK DirectX to Metal translation will not work. Everything would have to be done through software using Wine, and the M4 is still able to brute force it to run at over 60 FPS at 1440p. Incredible!
The last part is exactly the comparison test im looking for!! ❤
RIP me for having just bought an M3 Pro MBP in April.
Bro still a great laptop 😊
Yep you wasted your money, even though it was already known back then about a new release on fall 2024, you should have waited
I did the same thing in 2020, bought an intel i5 mbp 1 month before the m1 came out 😂 I’m still using the intel one today but never got over it. Might get the m4 pro to replace it though…
That’s why you should always wait to the fall updates 😂😂😂😂
I guess you could try and sell it.
Exactly the same as me haha
Can you please test some of these games?
1) Metal Gear Solid 5
2) God of War
3) Doom
4) Devil May Cry 5
5) The Last of Us.
6) Hogwarts Legacy
7) Jedi Star Wars
8) Horizon Forbidden West
9) Dead Space (Remake)
10) Marvel's Spider Man
11) Sekiro.
12) Uncharted
13) Final Fantasy 15
14) Silent Hill 2 (Remake)
15) Gears 5
16) Gears of War (1,2,3) via xbox emulation.
Thank you.
TF2 too
Yes! All the MGS games pls! Also the NieR games with mods.
This list should become the usual minimum for testing on Mac these past months. Thanks for suggesting. It is cool that he tests other games in order to vary tho
Nice list. Would also be nice to see some more big games (if they are working using Crossover) like:
1 - Elden Ring
2 - Red Dead Redemption 2
3 - Stalker 2 (Will be released this November)
4 - Dragon Age
If you want these high end games you just have to buy a x86 laptop with a dGPU.
A comparison between the M4 and M4 Pro Minis would be nice. Great video as always.
Thank you for doing all these tests. Not that it makes any difference in choice for me because there’s already a 14/20 Pro Mini sitting on my desk. But it’s great inspiration on what to play. Been out of gaming the last six years because I was stuck on a 2018 i7 Mini with that slooow Intel graphics.
The difference in performance is just mind blowing. I do a lot of photo editing. Topaz sharpen AI went from 7-10 minutes to around ten seconds. Denoise AI in Lightroom went from up to 15 minutes down to 20 seconds.
This is exactly the kind of deep dive I’ve been wanting to see. Thank you for sharing your work.
I wish you tested more of the native mac games like resident evil games and compared them to the performance of older M series pro chips so we could see how big of a difference in performance there is.
Thanks for this test. I believe that most people like me that are going to use it for work and do some gaming will be looking for the M4 Pro models like this one.
This is an interesting comparison. I bet the differences will get bigger as more titles are brought out that are native, and as more optimized versions are released.
Interesting comparisons, thank you. Btw, it is possible to spec the upgraded CPU & GPU on the M4 MacBook Pro without moving from 512GB to 1TB HD. That upgrade is £200 from the base model.
Yes but is 10% fps worth it? 🤔
Awesome, future for mac gaming is so bright. More efficient in power consumtion but also performance increase
How is the future bright when it’s like 10 years behind PC gaming right now? Lol fanboy
@@officebear4637 its really not lol dickhead
Thanks for showing all these tests Andrew
How’s the thermal performance? My 14” M1 Max can get really hot and I’m sure that hinders performance after some period of sustained stress. Would be interested to see how an M4 Pro Mac mini compares to an M4 Pro MacBook Pro under load
That's why the 16" is king. Heavier, yes, but so much worth it in many regards (also speakers, screen size, battery life)
@ I disagree though it’s ultimately personal preference! I’ve loved the smaller form factor of the 14”. Gaming is the most intensive thing I’ll do on this machine. In all other scenarios it runs very cool and I’ll never hear the fans.
@@ItsLikeAShammy you're kidding right? He answered exactly what you were asking.
@@ItsLikeAShammy It has a worse gpu than most of the M series, so the fans do ramp when its trying to game since the cpu is hella stressed on these m4 chips
10% improvement isn’t bad, it’s just your paying for it really. Some people want/need that gain. In any case, plenty of times years back intel released new chips and a 10% gain was considered good, their new ultras barely even have any gains and look at the price plus mobo plus plus etc if you go that path (esp for the top chip). So it’s all horses for courses. Overall, it seems the gain is limited given the increase in p and gpu chip counts - probs more a thermal related factor which you can’t change on a Mac (no one’s worked out - yet)
That’s great. I was worried the gameplay gains from m3 to m4 would be small but that doesn’t appear to be the case.
If Apple keeps the momentum going I’ll get a MacBook Pro m5. I hope more games get ported over.
This is exactly what i was wondering great video in regards to the 16 gpu vs 20
i’d love to know if you can achieve stable performance in Valve’s Deadlock. Let me know if you’re interested in testing it and need an invitation, as it’s a “closed” playtest right now.
If I read this right, the 12/16 was a Mac Mini Pro, whereas the 14/20 was a MacBook Pro 14. I wonder whether there would have been a greater difference if the 14/20 had also been a Mac Mini? I’m thinking that possibly the Mac Mini Pro has better cooling than the MacBook Pro 14.
No, they fit a M4Max in the 14" laptop so it would handle the M4Pro with ease.
I’m impressed by the evolution of the GPU M4 pro.
I'm having a MacBook Pro 16 with 40 GPU cores incoming, paid by my job.
Not that I needed it, but I asked for one and the job approved it.
Cool.
Something I would really like to see tested is how much resolution would you have to sacrifice on the binned M4 Pro to reach the same frame rates as the non-binned M4 Pro. Take your Tomb Raider test as an example, would lowering the res to 900p put the frame rate equal with the non-bind M4 pro, or perhaps even higher? It's just that for many of us who have a limited budget, perhaps sacrificing a small amount of resolution could work?
You can try testing Monster Hunter World, high quality can get a good frame rate without turning on FSR
This will will be replacing my 12 year old PC. Perfect
Great comparison, thanks.
I think comparing thermals and fan noise between binned and unbinned would of been beneficial as well.
10% performance for a screaming laptop isn't worth it imo.
Thanks for the comparison at the end 🫡
It will be excellent if we can also have a 32 cores M4 max benchmark.
It seems like it's not worth to upgrade to 20GPU version. We get 25% more cores but only 10% more performance.
Same
The 3 latest tomb raider games need native apple silicon ports.
Yes: I am planning to get 1 tb and put the saved bucks in apple care
@@bikkikumarshalol why get apple care? The computers are designed to start breaking AFTER apple care is over
Dang. Missed the stream for Halo. Thanks for testing it!
Awesome video. Just in time. I'm actually split into making a decision whether I should build a AMD ryzen 9950x 3d with 5080 coming in Jan next year or buy MBP 14" 20 GPU model.
Can you please test the following games please -
1. God of war 4
2. Spiderman
3. Battlefield 2042
4. Black myth wukong
5. Ghost of tsuhima
6. Assassin Creed Odyssey
7. Forza Horizon 5.
Thankyou. 🙏
Can you test how loud & fan speed are the MAX, PRO laptops depending on load?
Very helpful!
Thans for the test. New Mac Mini is on his way:)
Awesome video. Just a little FYI for League of Legends - there is native Metal support in the game. It's been in beta for years at this point and requires using either a script or changing the games config files.
Thanks yes I was using Metal in this video, forgot to mention!
awesome! thanks for the review
what is the estimated performance loss from running games through rosetta?
also, if the devs for space marine 2 enabled linux support on their anti-cheat (idk what they use) could mac multiplayer come back?
Would really like to see the temperature and the volume of the fan noise
It looks like there isn't a significant step up to fps. M3 pro and M4 pro during gameplay is only showing a 5-12 fps difference on AAA titles. 1440p on M4 Pro High setting plays the same as 1440p on M3 pro Medium setting. I came to this conclusion by watching your M3 pro game YT video, uploaded a year back. Also seeing others on RUclips. It's interesting how synthetic benchmark show a 30% increase to the scores but doesn't translate to real world use. Maybe the difference is mainly on the CPU end with those 4 additional performance cores, hence the high scores
he is not running those games native resolution more like 720p upscaled with fsr frame gen.
I don't even own a MBP but still leave my likes to every video
Honestly very impressive I sincerely hope Apple double down on gaming going forward, liked and subscribed you make quality videos!
Can you maybe try to play The Binding of Isaac Rebirth on it? I also have the M4 Pro with 20GPU and every time I try to open that game it makes my macbook crash and reboot and I saw on a crossover thread that someone else experiences the same problem so I would like to know if it somehow works for you! Thank you so much in advance :)
The base M4Pro is awesome imo ; I'll wait for the M5 chip. It's awesome. Thx ^^
The only game I would be interested in would be Indiana Jones And The Great Circle which will be released soon for Windows PCs if it runs well on this Mac Mini M4 Pro with Crossover. Can you test that as soon as available?
Great work as usual, I am a bit surprised as Cyberpunk runs at around average 40fps and that is what you had on your M3 Pro test??? So no advantage? Cheers!
The M4 Pro is running Cyberpunk at about 65 FPS vs M3 Pro at 40-45 so it’s a lot faster.
The test I was waiting for. I am planning on buying this exact MacBook. Can you also test BG3?
Do you recall what the performance difference was between the two M4 Pro versions in WoW?
Excellent, thank you!
The Finals, Black Ops 6, Helldivers next pls
I really appreciate someone actually making this content. I'm sad that my GTX970 is now outpaced by Macs XD - but glad to see apple computers are getting better at gaming. perfect for us photographers that like games
Great video!
Can you test Ori?
You were running the faster chip at 60hz and the slower at 120hz. That should make a difference
thermals and power consumption would be much appreciated
Thank for the tests. What about StarCraft 2? Do you have any information on that? I know it didn't run well on the M1-M2 Apple silicon processors. Any changes for the M4?
hi Andrew, i’ve been looking to get the 16inch macbook pro too i just wanted to ask about your experience on the silver color? how does it hold up against smudges and fingerprints? did you do any research regarding it? ive been contemplating a bit too much and i honestly dont know which one to get still ive heard a lot of people return their space black to get the silver one and that silver lasts better overtime since its the actual color of the aluminium meanwhile the space black is a coating and it wears off at the palm rests and just fades off unevenly overtime. It def looks better than silver but longevity is questionable. What are your thoughts?
I was looking forward to this video (M4 PRO). As always great video. I can not remember the names but does Crossover now support everything or do you have to still use the special PATCH which means without Crossover support (i think you said it would eventually be updated).
Could you test Final Fantasy XIV as well as WoW somehow? Would be really interesting
Need a comparison M1 Max vs M4 Pro
Thanks for the tests, but I would like to see the fps values of more popular games, such as Rust, D4.
are you can test game GW2 and aion classic? crossower or Parallesls
10% performance increase from M4, M4 12/16 and M4 14/20 for crossover titles with frame stutter.
Would a base M4 14 inch Macbook pro then be the sweet spot with 512gb ssd although the difference between 40fps to 50fps to 56fps at 1080p for crossover games is that worth it?
If there were native games with metal fx upscaling this would be better...
Hi Andrew, could you try Hearts of Iron 4. It is know for its optimization problems and its a heavy load on cpu. I'd like to see how M4 Pro performs with it.
any difference between the 16inch and 14 inch same configuration?
do you think i can do all of this on the 12-core? or should i get the 14-core pro? what are your thoughts? does the 14-core affect battery life vs 12-core?
Could you try out Minceraft pretty pretty please lol 🙏 with and without shaders w/ iris & sodium, etc. if possible? Maybe even some popular 1.20+ Fabric & Forge modpacks?
Was cyberpunk 2077 running native 1440p without upscaling? Even with upscaling, this performance is insane!
the side by sides show a 120Hz vs 60Hz Composited vs Direct. Does that make a difference?
Why do no tech channels test Baldurs Gate 3 as it was such a huge release and has a Mac version?
Do you feel it's worth the money to grab the top spec M4 Max 14" chassis with 64GB for gaming? Max Tech reviewed a 14" M4 Max and said as usual, the smaller chassis can run into thermal issues.
Looks like the M4P 14/20 is the best balance of thermals and performance for the 14" chassis.
I think for the 14 inch up to M4pro and for the 2 Max chips go with the 16
Actually the 12/16 is the best buy because you only get roughly 9-12% gain in performance which is not really worth spending this much extra
@@Stachoo999 Depends if you plan on gaming. But otherwise I agree.
Finally a worthy opponent for the GT 1030
World of Warcraft is the most popular AAA game on Mac and also AS native since M1 launched, but no testing?
Do we get even better performance if we install Windows 11 and run games directly in Windows on the Mac?
Thanks for testing League Of Legends!! Please test this game more, (btw it has a native mac download in riot’s site)
thanks!
can you run the built in tomb raider benchmark on all m4 chips to make an apples to apples comparison?
didnt even realise that was a pun lmao
Waiting since years to see a video how to play call of duty and far cry on mac either native or other methods
Andrew please can you make a video on the same
I don’t know if you’ll see this or not but i just wanted to ask what you think is more important for a gaming MacBook Pro. Unified ram or the processor. Also how much ram would i need to game comfortably. I’m thinking about buying one at the end of the month and don’t know which one to upgrade.
Which games are playable at 4K with M4 or M4 Pro Mac Mini?
Thanks, could be possible add test for Diablo 4 and 4k
So with these not native methods to play, the brightness of the games are also lower?
is there any fix for the performance on league in arams my m4 Mac mini the fps isn't very stable at all.
Thank you thank you thank you for testing Euro Truck Simulator 2!!!
I bought the 14 CPU/20 GPU model day one but haven’t open it yet. These gaming results look promising. Since the screen was slightly updated do you know if there is still ghosting issue?
Does the gap between 14 and 16inch M4 pro is that noticeable? 🤔
Could you do a 16c vs 20c comparison on Baldurs Gate 3 please? Thanks!
I can’t help thinking for now users are better off buying an entry level MBP + (PS5 or XBOX series X). Or even NVidia Cloud?
The M4 is *NOT* a "binned" M4 Pro. They're two distinct SoCs. The Pro supports Thunderbolt 5, supports more RAM, has more GPU cores, more CPU cores, is a different die layout.
you misunderstood him, everything he said is accurate
crossover improved a lot since i checked last time
could you pls try warframe?
I'm deciding between higher end m4 pro vs m4 max entry. Any advice?
Add Cities Skylines 2 to your list! It is a very demanding game.
If m4 max would the performance be even better ?
Two separate superchats for osrs and rs3 since Sunday. It’s not even in the live sessions.
It’s coming in the next stream!
If it is okay to ask, between MBP M3Pro(18/512)and M4(16/512), which one will you recommend? Does the 2 RAM and battery life difference affects a lot of aspects?
dont ask stupid questions.
Can you please test sekiro and dark souls?
If you want to properly do game performance testing, test each game on 720p low settings to properly stress the CPU, and then on 4K ultra settings to properly stress the GPU. That way you're both exposing the limits of each compute block of the chip, and by showing both extremes you're able to provide a wider window into the kind of performance range that the SoC can provide in a game. You're doing these tests at these so-called "preferred" settings for the fps results to reflect "what people are actually going to get" but the preferred settings are only a reflection of your preferences and a lot of people don't like turning on things like FSR. FSR isn't a cheat code for getting higher fps, and it's arguably a bad make-up to cover up the incompetence of some game developers, instead of actually optimizing their game (on either Windows or Mac) they just build in AI upscaling. Your performance testing at "preferred settings" ironically does a worse job at reflecting what fps people will get than testing both at 720p low and 4K ultra because not only do you have 2 data points instead of 1 that way, but the data points are also at the opposing ends of the spectrum so the difference in fps between the two settings is representative of the range of performance people can expect from the SoC.
If you're going to do this, do it right or don't do it at all. It's embarrasing. People might complain that running at 720p or 4K is unrealistic and they want to see real world results, but those people don't know what they're talking about and how performance testing methodology works (like you), so you just need to ignore them. Hardware Unboxed talked about why it's annoying that people complain about this in their recent video, I think watching that video will be a good start.
How loud does it get on cyberpunk?
Firstly, I always thought Macs as a creator platform, not gaming though good to see it can & more games being natively available without using third party software to run.
Secondly, why don't you compare the test mac to a gaming pc laptop at same price if gaming is the focus?