Beta Enduro 2019: First impression & test
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- I got a chance to test the 2019 Beta enduro bikes in this amazing Finnish enduro track. The video includes my test&thoughts for the 300RR, 250RR, 200RR, 350RR and 390RR.
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I felt the same way; while they might be a couple pounds heavier on a scale there is no comparison with the Austrian bikes, Beta's are more agile, more stable, have more usable power, and their handling is confidence inspiring. I found that tough trail sections on the KTM were made easy on a Beta. Specifically, I liked the 250rr race edition and the 390rr race edition. If you adjust the power valve on the 250 or 300 2t they are more powerful than the KTM 250 or 300xc. Lastly, the 390 is amazing. With KTM, the latest 4 strokes (250xcf & 350xc-f) just feel big, as in - not agile, the motors feel like they are mapped too lean and flame out easily on tough trails. Frankly the new xc-f's feel like moto bikes with an 18" rear wheel and I would much rather ride a YZ250 or a YZ250fx than another orange bike. I am saving now for a Beta, hoping to find a low hours 2018+ 250rr 2T.
I own a Beta 125 4T Motard
im really happy with my RR400 4T - smooth powerbend
Hey Aleksi. 2016 390RR rider... found it interesting you thought it too heavy for enduro, isn't the 390 the same weight as the 350? Just getting started with the enduro stuff, loving your channel for a bit of motivation!
@@lastgunstar Hey! The numbers on paper won't tell the whole story as the engines have different characteristics which effects the overall feel you get when riding the bike.
beta 730 rr 2T supermoto? yes?
Bet there's one coming in 2020... ;D
Someone may have messed with the powervalve on that 250... I rode them all and found it to be the most lively. Even more then the 300.
"The Gentleman's line" four strokes - love it!
"I struggled to stop in the corners". Itsure looked to me that you were carrying a lot more speed on the 390, I think that's why.
I love my 300RR. I'm up 3 clicks front and back on low speed compression to keep from bottoming and that's all I've done. The power from the engine is fantastic, with gobs of low, low end grunt and will wail pretty good when you wind it up.
What scares me away from Italian bikes (older ones) is the exact same bunch of reasons about Ferrari, Fiat, Lamborghini etc: parts are a nightmare, fixing is a nightmare, odd short lasting fidgety parts and noises and prices/dealers and availability. If at least the first few issues have been solved, reliability then I could be persuaded over another wr450, MAAAAAAYBE. Yamaha wr450...Australia's BEST selling bike and for a long long time. Anyone own a Beta for more than 2 years?? Your feedback would be very welcomed
Beta does not have these issues (neither does the new gasgas, overall fit and finish being better on the gasser though). Parts and availability are not an issue. Lots of parts cross over from different brands as well, usually you can find a list online somewhere. These bikes are higher quality out of the box than most other brands. Wouldn't bother buying anything other than a gasgas or a beta to ride offroad .
I have owned 3 Betas, a 2014 300 EVO which I sold because it had a lot of small issues with components, a 2016 300rr and a 2016 430rr. The 300 has been mostly good except for poor electrical wiring, bad wiring connections, poor wiring loom routing through the frame and poor quality of wire. I have had to re wire and fix issues from, headlight and instrument power failures, to charging issues, all stemming from poor wiring. Now I am re-anodizing the forks do to wear on the insides of the tubes. This is another common problem that Beat and Sachs know about and it is still happening on the 2020 MY bikes. My 430 had a connecting rod bearing failure which resulted in a seized engine at 50 hours, Because of its relative low hours I have no idea if the forks are going to be a problem or not, same with the electrical but I imagine there will be problems. Here in Canada the distributor charges a lot for parts and has poor inventory so you are forced to wait for seemingly minor things. While I have always enjoyed riding the bikes and how they handle quality control, poor component quality (wiring and forks) and spotty spare parts supply sully what would otherwise be a really good bike. I will not buy another.
I have 135 hours on my 2018 RR300 and it has had absolutely no issues! Still happily oil injected too. It was really rich when I got it here in the eastern part of the United States. Once rejetted it’s the cleanest sounding 2 stroke I ever heard.
Nice glad to hear that it works like it should
Those betas are just beautiful bikes. I hope they will fix that problem with bearings and I hope that betas will get back in to the enduro game. I feel like they haven't really been on the best performance during these last years.
wtf are you talking? last years? E3 Pos1 is Brad freeman (beta), E1 Pos1 is steve holcombe(beta).... and beta got some titles over the last years. Actually at the top of enduro GP in 2 classes, lol.
I was thinking the same but then I realized that not so many people care about the MotocrossEnduroGP these days. And the bikes those guys are riding are far from stock. But Beta is a good "platform" to start building from.
-Aleksi
@@EnduroWithAlex Yes that is very true that people don't care about dirt bike racing anymore as much as they used to. Thanks for answering it made my day better.
Itellä o 2018 rr250 2 tahti ja on kyl hyvä. Hintalaatu suhde 10/10
I have both the 250 and 300 race editions which do not have oil injection. Maybe it was how the 250 you rode was set up but mine has a ton of grunt. And i agree the regular rr open chamber forks are too soft. Definitely race edition closed cartridge are an improvement.
I hope you will do a review on the 2020 models that have been heavily updated and it would be interesting to hear your verdict on how big of a difference there really is. After many years with KTM´s in my garage I´m thinking of trying another brand and also going from 4T to 2T. The 200RR sounds like a really fun machine.
Had 2015 Beta 250 2T.
It was sharp. That was said by everyone who rode it. Husqvarna 300, and even KTM TPI 250, Beta 300's etc were not even close to that punch my beta had. But that suspension was awful... Sachs suspension bottomed out all the time and was harsh on bumps. In the snow it was hard to keep straight line when new Husqvarna TPI was smooth like cuting a butter. Front 13T and rear +1 rear sprocket(I bought 50T) and Suzuki needle NEDW with jetting that Beta OEM needle uses during winter. So only had to change needle during summer and winter. That engine with KTM/Husqvarna forks would be a dream. It ran really great.
Excellent work as usual. Helped me on my way to find what can I do with just one bike - Love open fire trails. love technical single tracks! Beta is a great bike. I checked before other tests and seemed to agree[ ruclips.net/video/fa6yRynHcVM/видео.html] I'll send an email when you have the time to sort this out. Appreciate your views and expertise. I'm way far :-) Congrats
I have a 350rr it's excellent I love the smooth linear power and the stable handling but the bike still turns..
It's a pitty the clutch was slipping on the 200, I LOVED the ride I got on one.
aattelin et kuulostaa vähä suomalaiselta toi englanti ja sit katoin kanavan nimen :D
I think you only like power so if you try KTM 500 EXC, you'll like it even more. I don't think you are giving fair review for small bore 2 strokes.
Im 15 years old is it ok for me to get a 250cc dirt bike like a honda crf 250
I've got a 2018 250rr. It had no low end torque until I adjusted the power valve to be even with the case. Then the low end torque came alive. I've ridden the KTM 300 TPI and compared it to my 250. They feel similar as far as torque curve. The KTM does have a bit more down low.. but, I wouldn't say it's night and day difference. I often think about converting my 250 to a 300. I'll have 200 hours on it by winter.. so maybe a christmas present for me. Sometimes I do wish for a bit more grunt at the very bottom of the rpm range.
TPI arent as torquey as the carbs. My 250 TE '17 has more torque than the 300 '19 i rode in comparison🤦♂️
I agree. That was my impression as well.
Slavens S3 or RK Tek head I think would give you what you're searching for for far less money and involvement than going to 300. Plus the bike will still keep the attributes of 250 over 300. Quicker revving and lighter handling but with added bottom and mid. No loss of top.
Hi Aleksi. Please recomend KTM 250 EXC-F 2019 SD or Beta 200 2020. im 173cm 73 kg , more slow technical tarrein
Owned a 2013 RS520 The good: The bike was a great dual sport machine. I’m not a racer but a fifty year off roader who rides SoCal and Utah trails and fire roads. Power was linear and climbed all the way to the top end smoothly. It was stable and went where you pointed it. Was fast enough to keep up with everything except the Big Red Pig XR650R. Had great trail manners for its size and lugged well at low Revs. Was fast enough to scare you on forest roads and slid predictably. Quality parts and nice finish. The Bad: Plastic oil pump gear gave up around 3000 miles which cashed in the head. Replaced it with an after market steel gear along with a new cam and head. Sometime later around 5000 miles the seal on the water pump shaft failed and I ended up with cross contamination in the oil and coolant. A relatively inexpensive repair but could have been worse had I not caught it early. Sold it to buy a Honda Crf450L. We’ll see how it works out, so far so good.
I really like your bike reviews you as so honest, how is your KTM380 going? one bike that is way to much to handle for me. KTM or others should bring them back to keep the 500cc two stroke lovers happy. It would of been nice if the 200 was going strong to hear your thoughts. Thanks for the vid.
My 15 300rr does nothing but impress me Everytime I throw a leg over it. Most agile bike I've ever owned.
Greetings from Portugal! Thanks for this useful and honest review. Have you ride any of AJP make? PR3, PR4, PR5 or the PR7? If you do i would like to have your opinion about it. If not, could your consider making a review about it? Specially the PR7, i'm want to buy this one in january and its always good to have a profissional review. Thanks.
The gentlemen's section eh? Hmmm....
I love beta
It looked like you were going faster through the trails in the 250 than the 300.
Hey
So this Models are not the MY 2020 right?
Looking forward to buy a 250 but after I saw ure video I’m not sure anymore 😀
I have a Beta 300rr 2018 and its the beat bike I have ever had, I am in love with her, the wife dose no understand. LOL.
Love my 200rr...came off a 2016 300rr. I prefer the smaller bike.
Were you riding the 250 on the rain map!,
This is hardly a review, you cant review bikes on a demo ride, its an impression, nothing is setup, power valves on the 2t alter engine characteristics so much.
Thanks for the vid.
Both maps, not much of a difference.
Yeah true, that's why I won't call it a review.
- Aleksi
I like that a lot give me a good options and recommendations what to get I have a 300 2 stroke but I was hoping to get another bike soon
The 200 is a lot of fun from what I've heard.
My friend told me these bikes engines are very unreliable. Is that true?!
No.
Check out the channel Cross training enduro skills. They have a lot of info on Beta reliability
Not true
It is true, they have had issues with 2 stroke and 4 stroke bearing failures. I have a 430 that needed a new engine at 50 hours. Main bearing failures on the 2 strokes are not uncommon although I have not had issues on my 300.
@@gsmith4679 shut up.
Awesome review and nice riding, thanks Aleksi! How tall are you? I'm 6'4 or 193cm. Do you think I would be more comfortable on a KTM? Also, you think the 250 handles the same as the 300, just with less grunt? Does the 200 feel noticeably lighter than the 250/300? Cheers :)
I’m 6’6” and ride a 250rr with bar risers and a tall seat, loving it a lot. 70+ hours on it.
Glad to hear that!
I'm 187cm and I think the size of the bike is just something you can get used to. You might be more comfortable on KTM at first but the difference isn't that big in the end. You have to ride more on the pipe with the 250 so basicly yes it can handle the same as 300. Yeah, the 200 felt more like a powerful and easier 125.
Cheers,
Aleksi ✌️
Why didn't you try out the 300 x-trainer 2 stroke or the 480 4 stroke? I'm disappointed that you didn't try out those two :( I had a lot of fun on those two when I demoed the Beta's
I tried all the models they had there.
@@EnduroWithAlex For me the 300XT was very fun because of the bottom end torque, super light, smooth power delivery, and the lower height. But the suspension was way too soft, even softer than the 300RR, and it lacked top end power compared to the 300RR. The 300RR has more power than I need for most situations except to put a huge grin on my face haha. The 480 was a traction beast, that thing just planted the power straight down and the torque/acceleration is so fun on it, but the pipe was really really hot on that model
Answer is they are the best
:)
only beta ;)
Love my rr200 just superlight agile and easy to handle
Isnt 200 a little bit too less power ?
@@xLiK3F4M3x for me it is
How many miles with one gas tank on the 200 rr?
@@xLiK3F4M3x nah perfect for me but i'm light (62kg) it might be to little for you but that also depends on your riding style and terrain
@@simonpierrevallee4184 Hard to Tell i mostly ride in super soft Sand so i dont have a lot of distance
But one Tank usally lasts about a day sometimes a little less
why not the race version ?
Itekku kävin testaa nii tuntu että noi betat röpöttää tosi paljon uutena
that 200 seemed like it was fun to ride
It was!! 👌👌
How do they compare to the Austrians?
Similar and really decent, a bit smaller bikes. Sachs suspension isn't as good as WP.
First, damn it!
Thanks Aleksi, nice review. I bought the 2018 300 RR and love it. Runs strong and clean here in Colorado. Re jetted it for altitude and the tail pipe is almost always clean. A little bit of a concern when I see other 2 strokes always having a greasy tail pipe, but it keeps using the oil in the reservoir consistently. Tried the 200 rr at the demo days here in Colorado and bought one. It's very light and nimble, but even after re jetting it gets really only and uses quite a bit of gas. Was told Beta's seem to have there floats high in the carbs and I haven't adjusted that yet. They come with a 15-48 sprocket combo which is too high so I went to a 13 front. Waiting to get the 52 rear but it definitely woke it up.
I'm a larger guy also but it seems to have good power which will improve once the carb and gearing is set better.
It still has a couple of turns to go on the power valve and then there's always a lighter spring. May look into the Lectron carb in the future. Now I'm waiting for someone to come out with a 250-270 big bore kit for the 200, now that would be sweet. If you can ever make it to Colorado we can show you some incredible country!! And Moab is only 6 hours away!! Let me know!
200 pipe gets really only, not only! Love that auto fill, not!
Oily, oily OILY!!! it did it again!
Thanks for you contribution! Always so nice to hear some real world stuff in the comments. On a demo day you just get the first glimpse, that's why I didn't call this a review in the first place. I'll let you know if I ever visit the States!
- Aleksi
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390 for fire roads? I call BS we ride 500s on single track. A class .Funny
Agree with ya on this, riding 500 exc on mountain single track without issue.
For the average joe that machine is way too big and heavy to a single track.
-Aleksi
@@EnduroWithAlex Well...I guess us "Gentlemen" are above average. ;-)
@@EnduroWithAlex Does the fact that it weighs the same as the 350 matter? Seriously...like one pound more or something.
It has a heavier feeling (= heavier rotating mass) and therefore it feels so much different to handle than the 250.
No xtrainer :(